Hearing the word “compromise” at all in association to the debt limit talks is a bit of a revelation, so I suppose there should be some hope that something gets done after all. But take a look at this article from Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane. It posits that Republicans are considering a compromise on their demands for all spending cuts. The compromise is that they’ll allow a different kind of spending cut.
As President Obama prepares to meet Monday with Senate leaders to try to restart talks about the swollen national debt, some Republicans see a potential path to compromise: significant cuts in military spending.
Senior GOP lawmakers and leadership aides said it would be far easier to build support for a debt-reduction package that cuts the Pentagon budget — a key Democratic demand — than one that raises revenue by tinkering with the tax code. Last week, Republicans walked out of talks led by Vice President Biden, insisting that the White House take tax increases off the table.
In listening sessions with their rank and file, House Republican leaders said they have found a surprising willingness to consider defense cuts that would have been unthinkable five years ago, when they last controlled the House. While the sessions have sparked heated debate on many issues, Rep. Peter Roskam (Ill.), the deputy GOP whip, said there are few lawmakers left who view the Pentagon budget as sacrosanct.
“When we say everything is on the table, that’s what we mean,” said House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the No. 3 leader who has been hosting the listening sessions in his Capitol offices.
Everything, that is, but raising revenue from its current level, the lowest in 60 years.
I don’t think you could find one liberal to disagree with the statement that the Pentagon budget could be trimmed. And there are certainly efficiencies – ending wars comes to mind – that would constitute spending cuts, but not have a material effect on the overall economy. It’s probably the case that the assumption of an accelerated drawdown will be part of the debt limit deal because the savings are scored pretty high by CBO – ending wars would save as much as $1.4 trillion.
But if you cut military spending, you’re probably cutting factory jobs at defense contractors. There’s not much of a way around that. I think that’s worth doing, to channel that energy into more productive capacities. And cutting unnecessary defense spending beats cutting social spending that helps provide economic opportunity for Americans. But standard economics would tell you that spending cuts are more damaging to an economy in recession than tax increases. And the most beneficial policy would actually be to increase spending, since when faced with a demand gap, government is the spender of last resort. So at the root, this “compromise” says that spending cuts will be replaced… by other spending cuts.
It’s certainly interesting, as the article notes, that Eric Cantor was trying to exempt the Pentagon from spending cuts. And that’s simply the wrong path. But let’s not pretend this is some kind of brave and bold compromise.



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Those claims are absolutely false. The Democrats have consistently voted to sustain and increase Pentagon corporate welfare spending. Democrats and Republicans alike openly brag about increasing the Pentagon dollars they are bringing into their states and districts. They have done this consistently for years and they show no signs of quitting.
They’re also running into this:
Jim Sensenbrenner Backs Off Medicare Plan [at Town Hall]
LINK.
Exactly.
Am I reading this correctly? Cut the DoD budget? Surely you have this wrong. They will never do this in any meaningful way.
Isn’t it clear that defense department spending can be cut in veterine’s benefits and lower ranking enlisted personal’s pay. I’m sure that is something that both the democrats and republicans and Obama can agree on.
There is also the possibility we might cut medical care in combat areas, another big savings.
That sounds about right.
The devil is in the details. Military retirees are about to be screwed. Bank on it. The Pentagon has been whining about health care for awhile.
There is nothing in these people that even approaches moral reasoning.
Last I heard, Baucus offered up Medicare as a human sacrifice. Maybe Dems demanded that military or defense cuts be made to cover Baucus’s verbal “showing his cards”?? Just a wilda**sed guess. As I recall both parties, and members within the Democratic party, offered each other “cover” during the healthcare bill strip down in the Senate with Lieberman allowed to cancel out public coverage without complaints from so called ‘liberal’ Senators like Gillebrand and Schumer. Maybe this military spending cut is just a feint to cover Democrats offering up grandmas and grandpas healthcare and nursing home coverage.
Sounds like the setup for 2012 elections… Dems don’t like the Military and voted to make MERICA less safe.
The way I got it is Congress is always cutting the budget- The Operations budget (that what pay feed army)- but pie in the sky military research projects that can only be useful against extra-terrestrial intelligence are sacred cows.
minor quibble- veterans benefits come from a different pot of money. The veterans administration administers them. It got cut awhile ago.
Morale projects, barracks up keep, housing benefits for soldiers who are married, food, and many other things will likely take a hit because gosh forbid we don’t have the latest shiny toy and umpteen million bombs to blow up the world 300 times over.
Government = millionaires preserving their own wealth. Very few exceptions.
I suspect that any “cuts” will be of the form of “4% growth rather than 6% growth”.
This is, however, the best place to cut if cuts there must be. The only thing with a lower economic multiplier than military spending is tax cuts.
The sad thing is there is waste to cut. However, no one is going to admit it out loud. The way the military operates is to maintain status quo on a just in case basis. I remember the rush to spend, spend spend in September because if you didn’t spend it all then it’d be cut and if you needed it the following year it wouldn’t be there. They did this on everything from jet fuel to office supplies. It’s crazy.
Oh and they’ll scrap big toys if it means a blurb on the big boys fit rep. When I worked at Naval Medical Center San Diego they were scrapping a shelving system that cost millions because an Admiral wanted a pod system set up for medication dispensing.
Yep, lots of waste.
Any cuts from the DOD budget will come from those states with one, or better yet 2, Democratic Senators. Obama will tell them they just have “bite the bullet” in the spirit of bipartisanship of course.
And the irony will be that the closure costs will probably be offset by our brand new bases we have been building over in the ME. (palm of hand to forehead)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601762_pf.html
That isn’t even including the embassy and let’s not get started on their air conditioning costs.
The compromise should be, “Pick a percent.”
That’s how much we’re going to raise taxes, and that’s how much we’re going to cut sppending accross the board, entitlementss, military, everything.
I think the percent would be very low and it would balance the budget.
Sometimes i watch Morning Joe..it’s the only way i can stand to keep up with the conservative press. Anyway, for the last few times i’ve turned in, Joe and company have been talking like anti-war liberals. This morning they complain about the cost of the war, the unnecessary deaths of our young people, and the mission creep. I thought it odd, but good when i first heard it…at this point, i now see it as their set-up to keep the focus on spending cuts. The game appears to be misdirecting folks away from looking at tax modifications by complaining about the high cost of this terribly misguided war…like do they think we don’t remember who started this mess?????
I have no doubt that there is tremendous waste in the DoD, as evidenced by some comments here. I, too, have heard about insane waste in Military spending from both civilian and military personnel. So there is *plenty* of room for cost-cutting to effect *real* savings in the Military/Pentagon/DoD.
That said, do I actually *believe* that “real” cost-cutting will occur that, you know, makes sense? Doubt it! IF there’s any cost-cutting, it’ll be off the backs of the lower ranks, and you can take that to the banks.
For all the ersatz-libertarians who love to tsk-tsk us DFH’s about how “privatizing” everything will “save so much money,” I never ever notice one of them stating that the cost-cutting can start with the bloated DoD/Military. All other public services are “wastes” unless privatized, but the Military can spend out of control and be as wasteful as possible, but that’s all fine & dandy.
I’ll wait to see what happens with this proposal, though. I read it in today’s “nooz” paper; it was in the back pages, which suggests that they aren’t all that serious about it. Of course, the so-called ReTHUGS whined and whinnied about not increasing taxes.
I’m tired of income redistribution, myself: MY income is being redistributed to the upper 1% via the unfair tax structure, which is incredibly *regressive.* Raise taxes on the upper 1% NOW!
Sure, the corp-owned fascist media COUNTS on heavily propogandized citizens not knowing, and furthermore not caring, who started what military operation. Do you notice any citizens around you being upset about WAR, Inc and who started it??? I sure don’t. They are all complacent, whether they typically vote D or R. That’s what our overlords count on: sheep-like citizens who go along with this crap.
The former Republican governor of Michigan, John Engler, privatized winter snow plowing on Michigan expressways. The profits for private contractors soared and the roads were seldom plowed.
Walk through any big box super store and behold the mythologized “citizen” pushing carts laden with Pop Tarts, TV dinners and salty snacks in preparation for the “big game” or latest TV reality distraction.
That’s not a completely bad idea. However, I disagree with *any* cutting of what I believe you call “entitlements,” which I believe you mean are Soc Sec, Medicare, Medicaid & Veteran benefits.
All of these programs are funded from sources other than standard fed taxes. There is NO reason to cut any of them to “make up the debt.” That’s a fallacy and has no sound basis in reality.
The wealthy upper 1% just want us peons to invest our Soc Sec money in Wall ST. In case you haven’t noticed, Wall St is Ponzi scheme anymore, and only the super wealthy make money from that.
I completely disagree that Soc Sec, Medicare, Medicaid or Veteran benefits need to be cut at all. If absolutely necessary, raise the income cap on Soc Sec, and any potential “problems” are solved anyway.
Those are NOT “entitlements,” they are insurance programs that all workers have paid into for years.
Yes. There are loads of those examples out there. Privatization seldom works in the way that it’s “advertised.” Privatizing is touted as being more “efficient” and “saving money.” It’s bogus bc the private company MUST make profits, and those are always skimmed off the top. The service almost inevitably gets worse.
Note that stimulus spending, such as hiring workers to build highways and bridges, is not being put on the table by either party. It’s deficit, deficit, deficit all the time, despite outrageously high unemployment.
And, of course, stimulus today would decrease deficits tomorrow, since people who are working (1) pay taxes and (2) don’t collect unemployment. But try to tell that to a politician.
Never mind the 1 billion plus dollars a day America squanders out the “tailpipe,” collectively, sitting in traffic going nowhere fast while getting those last quarter together to pay a toll, going to or coming home from work? The best way to fleece a person is to convince them that servitude is freedom. Like the sign at the entrance of Auschwitz, “Arbeit Macht Frei,” translation; “Work Sets You Free.” Not when transportation costs, extract trillions of dollars from an economy which has finite resources and people spend more on transporation, than food! Welcome to the Grand Illusion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk
Citizens have been deliberately lulled to sleep, and certainly diet plays a huge role, along with a lack of exercise. Add to that the brain-dead tv shows… ooof, a trifecta of dullardness, for sure.
I don’t think people are sleeping. I think people don’t see a ready solution to the problem. Brand A and Brand B both ignored them when they asked for an end to war, public option, no bailout, etc, etc.
They feel like they are stuck between a rock and hard place.
No Silent
GermanAmerican here! You have described every alcoholic I know?“Citizens have been deliberately lulled to sleep, and certainly diet plays a huge role, along with a lack of exercise. Add to that the brain-dead tv shows… ooof, a trifecta of dullardness, for sure.”
B I N G O !
Hard to go for a run when your body and brain crave a substance, your dehydrated, and have no clue of your available funds at the local ATM, after you blacked out, having a good time, the night before? Then you find your free checking account is as empty, as your stomach, after paying the two dollar fee to check your balance, at the local ATM? Dumber than dead dirt!
What does the DOD spend on fuel? Nothing! We pay!
A gallon of gas in Afghanistan sold by Haliburton costs $1,000 dollars a gallon.
And look what we pay for;
from the Congressional Research Service
Department of Defense Contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq: Background and Analysis
“As of March 2011, DOD had more contractor personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq (155,000) than uniformed personnel (145,000). Contractors made up 52% of DOD’s workforce in Afghanistan and Iraq. Since December 2009, the number of DOD contractors in Afghanistan has exceeded the number in Iraq.”
LINK.
And I’ll bet their tents are air conditioned, too.
Remember Robert Gates’ Budget-Cut Magic in January? Just shifting billions from one program or book-keeping entry to another? Easy as pie…
And Presto! No loss of fundng.
http://my.firedoglake.com/wendydavis/2011/01/07/robert-gates%e2%80%99-pentagon-budget-cut-magic/
And about $400.00 for a gallon of diesel fuel? Ignorance is not bliss. Its more like statutory rape. Then blame the 14 year old for attracting the rapist! Pretty fucked up for sure!
I didn’t really think through Soc Sec, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Yes, their funding is separate so they shouldn’t be required to make up the debt.
That message needs to be repeated endlessly till everyone who gives a shit knows how the system works. I get tired of people calling SS etc. entitlements. Yes we are entitled to them but it is insurance.
Ah but you forget the most important part of the article. Cantor says the military spending cuts should be handled by way of the regular appropriations process. So, this is absolutley nothing.
They will cut benefits for the soldiers and hold back pay increases. This will make the nuts against the military happy, as well as the GOP, which never cared about the soldier, just the contractor.
Without reading the whole comments section on this, I say they’re looking for a way to cut benefits to soldiers, sailors, and marine or their families. Reduce services at base hospitals, raise prices at the PX. You know the base commander isn’t giving up his gardener and the officers’ club isn’t cutting back on scotch or Jack Daniels.
Wow! Didn’t mean to copy that but we’re on the same wavelength.