Wow, if this isn’t a perfectly correct critique of the President, from of all people, David Frum.
He’s not an alien, he’s not a radical. He’s just not the person the country needs. He’s not tough enough, he’s not imaginative enough, and he’s not determined enough.
In the throes of the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, the president ran out of ideas sometime back in 2009.
In the face of opposition, Obama goes passive. The mean Republicans refused votes on his Federal Reserve nominees and Obama … did nothing. Would Ronald Reagan have done nothing? FDR? Lyndon Johnson?
With unemployment at 10% and interest rates at 1%, the president got persuaded that it was debt and interest that trumped growth and jobs as Public Issue #1.
Frum adds a very important point. Obama has kept to no two campaign promises more steadfastly than the surge in Afghanistan and the vow not to raise taxes for anyone making under $250,000 a year. The first has been a foreign policy mistake with almost no reward, one that he is now belatedly trying to rectify in a completely passive way. The latter hamstrung him in the tax cut negotiations and led to an extension of the Bush tax cuts, a central unifying issue for Democrats in previous years. This drove the decision to put 40% tax cuts in the stimulus as well, and future stimulus measures were mostly tax-based, ensuring their ineffectiveness. As Frum says, the only reason he took these on as points of principle was because he was worried about conservative critiques. And conservatives made the exact same critiques anyway, that he was a weak-on-defense tax-raiser.
Now you can pile onto this a lot of other critiques: assumptions of bad faith, or the facility with looking the other way at corporate crimes and crimes of torture, or the need to feed at the Wall Street trough, or whatever else. The point is that this pretty well sums up the man: someone too cautious to lead in a time desperate for leadership. I think Nate Silver gets at that in his piece distinguishing the styles of Obama and Andrew Cuomo with respect to marriage equality. I’m no fan of Cuomo, who’s far more of a triangulator than Obama; given what I know right now I wouldn’t vote for Cuomo over Obama in a primary. But this is instructive:
Suppose that Mr. Cuomo had expressed his desire to pass a marriage bill on the campaign trail, as he in fact did last year. But when he got to Albany, he decided to punt on the issue.
What would Mr. Cuomo have said? He would have mentioned that Republicans had taken over control of the Senate, something he had not necessarily anticipated. He would have reminded voters that the bill had been well short of passage the last time around. He might suggest that he thought he could round up a few more votes — but neither he nor the Republicans saw much point in bringing up a bill that was probably going to fail. He might tell his supporters that the prospects looked pretty bright for 2013.
It seems to me that this would have been an entirely reasonable-sounding argument. When there were some annoyed posts from liberal and gay and lesbian bloggers expressing disappointment with Mr. Cuomo’s decision, perhaps someone like Mr. Yglesias would have weighed in by saying that politics is the art of the possible — and sorry, but it just wasn’t going to be possible to get a gay marriage bill through a Republican majority.
The point is that it isn’t always such a simple matter to know exactly what is possible and what isn’t. Passing a same-sex marriage through the New York Senate might have seemed impossible this year — until Mr. Cuomo actually did it.
Silver contrasts this with Obama, who on a host of issues has seen similar obstacles to Cuomo and declined to make the fight. Obama likes to posit his conception of the world of the possible as the only world available. He has almost never taken a lead on a piece of legislation that he thought would fail, choosing his battles He has seen the world as it is, and then called that the best world on which we can live. The Cuomo story is instructive because it shows a different way, one where grassroots advocacy and leadership combine to produce results.
I don’t want this to veer too much into the “Obama should push harder” territory. There’s an entire political party on the other side which aligns themselves in opposition to him no matter what he proposes. But there’s more than one leadership style that exists, and whatever you want to say about Obama’s, I don’t think you can say that it’s working. There’s no risk, and as a result, no reward.




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“The point is that this pretty well sums up the man: someone too cautious to lead in a time desperate for leadership.”; EXACTLY the point Senator Sanders made.
Frum is a neo-con true believer. Well, at least we know what he believes in and what he’ll fight for. Has anyone figured out yet if Obama believes in anything?
Interesting post, but here’s what I don’t get…
Risk-averse people don’t run for President.
I simply don’t understand how it is possible for someone to successfully run for President, being even slightly risk averse. First, the chance of success is very very small (hence, highly risky). Second, there is intense scrutiny and pressure (also features a risk averse person would avoid). Third, the attempt carries the risk of financial ruin and public humiliation, so I really don’t find this argument very persuasive.
Where some see passivity and capitulation, I see manipulation and dishonesty. But I am happy to agree to disagree on this point.
Either way, Obama is not the guy for the job.
Obama is not risk averse, he’s truth averse.
David … your last paragraph says it all. To dovetail, if I may …
Policy Malpractice and Policy Losses:
The incoherent whisper that epitomizes ‘messaging’ from the Obama Administration is profound political malpractice. It would not be so remarkable if there were not, on the other side of things, a malignant political force that celebrates greed, ignorance and war …
Article:
http://beeryblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/06/dems-political-malpractice-aids-right-wing-war-on-reason/
The President must demonstrate to his allies and foes alike that he will fight.
First the Hilary people all start appearing on the Lefty blogs saying Hilary would never have done what O did not we got a puff piece promoting Mario?
I think the Blue Dogs smell blood in the water. I think they are thinking of challenging Obama they somehow think we will support one of them and are putting up trial balloons.
I don’t think he was taking that big a risk of financial risk or public humliation running for president. Even if he had lost he could have gone to Goldman or Citi or Blackstone (or stayed in the Senate) for a few years then tried again.
I think some people these days run for president because the run itself is lucrative — Gingrich being a good example, Palin another.
See, I don’t like bullies. But I understand them. And Obama kinda brings out the bully in me. I find myself wanting to push him around and scream, “Get off your ass and fight for something, fergawdsake!”
And I don’t think running for president was particularly risky for Obama…..he had plenty of money and little chance of going all the way…..tho he had given a fine speech in the past. He’d have been an acceptable VP….and maybe could have learned something.
He’s indicated he doesn’t care if he’s a one-term President. I thought he meant that he’d fight the good fight and willingly go down fighting. He apparently meant something else entirely.
He’s just not the person the country needs. He’s not tough enough, he’s not imaginative enough, and he’s not determined enough.
*heh* Even this ex-Canuck realized that annoying factoid, just a wee bit sooner, tho…! ;-)
Frum says “he’s not tough enough” and I find this exactly right. He falls over in a slight breeze. Spineless nothing.
Money Quote:) Obama, Rahm and the gang all like to think they Realists but in the end they have nothing to show for it. In Chicago Politics Where’s Mine ? is the question we ask or as Reagan put it are you more better off now than you were 4 years ago.
O has yet to produce any results he can point to on that front. O thinks he has a messaging problem he thinks his accomplishments just have not gotten enough press coverage O’s problem is there are no accomplishments.
Yes, he believes the battle between hippies and rich people is over. Hippies lost, big time. Also he believes the leftists need to be neutered the way BIg Zero has been neutered.
We may never know the truth about this guy. I’ve gone through several rounds of theories, and I will probably go through some more. At this point I opine:
* He is a Reaganite voodoo economics true believer. I’m about three months older than him. I was astounded how everyone at university was transformed overnight into Reaganites. They all took leave of their senses. I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama was one of them. He never recovered.
* He is never negotiating against the Republicans. He is negotiating against the Democrats, trying to herd them into the Reaganite camp. His definition of bipartisanship is the same as the Republicans – Democrats voting for Republican proposals.
* His lawn-chair automatic folding is an act, performed over and over again, to lull Democrats into thinking that he is a Democrat. He performs it well, and only gets knocked off-message and displays irritation when someone (like Waxman) calls him on it. Have backroom negotiations to run out the clock, Obama rides to the “rescue”, then folds so quickly it takes the wind from their sails. It leaves Congressional Democrats no time to circle the wagons.
Your not being a bully your frustrated O is the teenage kid who won’t get off the couch and stop watching tv. Parents lose it with teenagers sometimes its the Kids fault sometimes its the parents fault this time its O’s fault.
Screaming is sometimes the only way to get results. O thinks he is logical,calm and in control instead he’s deluded by get rich quick schemes, comatose and out of touch with America.
* His lawn-chair automatic folding is an act, performed over and over again, to lull Democrats into thinking that he is a Democrat. He performs it well, and only gets knocked off-message and displays irritation when someone (like Waxman) calls him on it. Have backroom negotiations to run out the clock, Obama rides to the “rescue”, then folds so quickly it takes the wind from their sails. It leaves Congressional Democrats no time to circle the wagons.
If you add in the Phrase Uncle Tom then this gets my vote.
I agree – not risk adverse – just looks at the left – at the Democratic Party – and says “I’m just not into them that much”.
David says “given what I know right now I wouldn’t vote for Cuomo over Obama in a primary.” – and indeed even a Hillary would face that thought by some on the left – less than 50% based on 2008 – but enough so that she has said she will not run in 2012. Indeed with that attitude in the party why would any but a non-viable candidate offer themselves up for a primary?
We want to believe that Obama’s words make him a better Democrat than Cuomo – and it is hard to get a primary person past the fact that much of the party will call them racist just for challenging Obama.
I really want Obama to prove me wrong – perhaps by a 100% defense of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid with 100% restoring of Clinton tax rates – forgetting the stupid $250,000 promise – with Irag and Afghanistan down to CIA cover and 20,000 troops in each country – all possible without GOP agreement. With that I could forget energy/oil, trade , etc – at least for 24 months. And it would be nice to actually vote for president in 2012.
After I read your piece, David, I clicked on the link to read Frum’s piece. I took some pleasure in seeing others acknowledge what I’ve been saying for the last three years: Obama always takes the path of least resistance. That is why he could never be the agent for change he fooled the majority of voters into thinking he would be.
Obama is a pussy.
Hillary is not a blue dog – perhaps Cuomo is, others certainly are blue dogs but they do not get much “ready for president” press and are not viable in any case.
Given Hillary is not running, it is safe for the Obamabots to begin the “the other is much worse” campaign.
* He is a Reaganite voodoo economics true believer.
I’d posit that he’s a U. of Chicago’s Econ. School True Believer, which also, conservatively, would comprise about 80-85% of all the boardrooms on Wall Street…!
Wow.
Ain’t no body gonna stand up and decry all this Obama is weak stuff for the truth?
He’s a corporate elite doing the bidding for the corporate fascist elites who own our country.
He’s not weak, he’s delivering everything the corporate elites want delivered while aiding in the dismantling of social services and the privatization of government functions
Wow, is this still really FDL?
*puzzledlook*
As has been pointed out above. . . Obama believes in Reaganomics.
You are seeing the same things the same way I see them.
Not a happy picture for 2012.
Whenever Obama finishes “negotiating” with the Republicans, he needs a doughnut pillow and a cigarette.
He is weak. If not he would be doing the right thing for the country. To be a shill is weak.
At a momentous time in history he chose to be Barack Hoover Obama (Kudos to whoever wrote that first, ) . He is a true believer in trickle down economics which makes him a Reaganaut. What a tremendous disservice to those who supported him. Yes there were plenty of signs he was never going to be a bold leader (FISA anyone?) But he promised hope and the people of good will believed in him. Shame on Obama that he took advantage of that goodwill and abused the trust granted. Truly a self centered user and not a leader.
Hilary in not a Blue Dog? Ok we disagree well I can accept that she is a Republican but I don’t see her Left of Obama on any issues.
I don’t want to believe your take on Obama – although I suspect you are correct. I am better at accepting that he has no backbone – he is a likeable guy – a nice family man – and while a con-job, I like to pretend he is not a TOTAL con-job.
I may be wrong.
He’s either a secret Republican or the biggest pussy to ever hold the office.
However, I noted back in 2008 a consistent tendency in Obama to always take the path of least resistance, so I think the more likely explanation is that he’s a pussy. Though one shouldn’t overlook his chumminess with Wall Street crooks.
For the good of us all he should step aside and let someone who understands the current situation and is willing to fight for the common man. He is not the change we voted for.
You must be reading my comments wrong, Mi Amigo…! Time for Bi-focals, perchance…? ;-)
I agree, but I have yet to figure out how alienating his base and placating the GOP works to his advantage. Even Wall Street, who he has showered with favors and cover prefer a GOP President. He has turned his back on many of the stragetic things that would have made him widely popular and may well have been far better for the economy. I wish someone could explain why he is his own worst enemy.
We are all ignoring the OBVIOUS, Obama does nothing at all to help him win in 2012. WHY?
Obama does not plan on winning in 2012, and he never did.
Obama mission was simple, keep a real DEM out of the White House.
Always view OBAMA actions
We have more wars
We still have the Bush tax cuts
We have an economy only Hoover would love
Unions have been getting attacked all over the USA, and what has OBAMA done to help them? nothing
“Unions got OBAMA elected in 2008, and he pisses on them”
Obama is a very EVIL person
Now you have Dem Senators asking Obama are you going to Cave again? LMAO
I actually went up against her in 1993 in my role as head of Sun Life of Canada’s US Tax Department (actually I was an observer as our lobbyists – the industry lobbyists – fought her)
I KNOW that she was the only voice for single payer at that time – and job one was to get Bill to stop her from going in that direction before he gave her the task force. When we succeeded via a promise to not oppose the health reform (yes – a lie – as the Louise & Harry commercials were being filmed as we made the promise) the insurance company lobbyists had a party as they were convince – correctly as it turned out – that anything other than Medicare for all could be viewed as too complicated and thereby defeated. The Hillary task force plan was well to the left of Obamacare – with a lot more regulation.
As to foreign affairs, Obama and Hillary in 2008 were on the same page – making me unhappy as I was a end the war now person – but confused as the Democratic Party pretended Obama was to the left of her.
Why would the Blue Dogs challenge Obama? Obama is a Blue Dog…if not a de facto Republican. And please, give it up with the Hillary bashing already. It was old before it began. And like it or not, I can see no way that Hillary Clinton would have been anywhere close to the disaster that Obama has been and is. Ms. Clinton knows how to fight. Obama? He knows how to give in to Republicans.
Semantics . . . he’s on the other side, he’s NOT weak as he’s killing us and implementing everything he was hired to do (hired by the elites, not us).
Bushie’s were not weak like this, either . . .
But the whole concept of calling him weak greatly detracts from the reality at hand we are experiencing and reduces his full culpability IMHO.
It’s a little of the former, a lot of the latter.
I think that Hillary’s self respect would have made her fight the Rs. Don’t know that her foreign policy would have been any different but her social programs would have been strong.
Nah, I’m fine with the vision . . . yers is an exception . . . it’s the whole tone of the diary and comments . . . CHitown Voodoo is the label, but weak is not.
The reality is he’s not working for us, he’s working for the elites and we knew it the minute he announced his admin picks and cabinet picks.
Weak, he’s not, by any means. Look at the devastation he’s wrought.
If Obama dropped out of the presidential race, it might be the best thing he ever did. He always takes the path of least resistance, and a bruising, difficult re-election campaign where he would really have to fight for his job would not be his style.
He’s hinted constantly that he’s OK with being a one termer, and it certainly looks like he’s going to get his wish unless the GOP nominates a crazy person, or a Tea Party candidate runs along with the GOP nominee, splitting the vote and Obama wins with a very small majority.
I draw your attention to a post on an obscure website called FDL by some guy named David Dayen dated 12/2010.
linky
This was during the
negotiationscapitulation on tax cuts as the clock ran out on the last Congress (you know, back-room negotiations up until the last minute, then Obama rides to the rescue, then folds).EDIT: The meeting seems to have been of the form “here’s the deal we cut, now go out there and say it’s great” … “but, Mr. President, it won’t work.”
He emerged from that meeting and gave one of the strangest press conferences I have ever seen (I think it was the one where he left Bill Clinton to talk while he got ready for a party). Once again, the only thing that throws him off-message is lefties calling him on his bullshit. He was actually whining, complaining that resistance to the tax cut deal was just like the public option all over again. I had never seen anything like it. At least not since third grade.
The impression (and I don’t have any more information than any of you) I got from that was that:
* He thinks supply-side voodoo economics is a valid strategy. Of note, Clinton used a phrase to the effect “If you are going to use tax cuts to stimulate the economy, this is the way to do it”.
* He thinks that THE ONLY REASON people like Krugman and Stiglitz opposed the deal was because of partisan prejudice, not because they (being lefties and thus reality-based) know it won’t work.
This sort of disagreement is what throws him off his game. Nothing else seems to. That’s significant. He can brush off the watermelon patch and witch doctor crap, he can handle the birther nonsense, but questioning his Reaganomics or lifting the veil on his act strikes at his heart.
Does he “fall over,” or take a dive.
Bingo. Essentially what I’ve been saying all across the net:
I think you have that completely backwards.
Obama wanted to extend the Bush tax cuts to keep his Wall St. donors. He didn’t care about his $250k campaign promise any more then the rest, but found it a handy excuse.
:) – the result, I think, would be the same. Flat on his back and helpless.
And for the life of me I don’t know how any progressive can opine that Bill and HRC were NOT corporate toadies (and still are) and that HRC would have been less a corporate toady than Obama.
Wow.
Identify what a person cares for and learn his heart…or lack of one. It sounds like O took Chicago Stlye Economics :(
The GOP does NOT have anyone who is sane by any means. NONE of them. And there are none in the wings.
Obama will run, win easily. On lesser evilism.
This pandering to the kabuki he’s ok with a one termer status is just that, it’s kabuki, folks.
I remember that press conference, and yes, Obama split leaving Clinton up at the podium, and Clinton continued to take questions while Obama left the room. I found it hilarious. Clinton really showed up Obama if you think about it, but I guess Mr. Passive was OK with that.
Obama isn’t even worth keystrokes. Celebrity puppet narcissist. Palin with a jumpshot. End of story.
The country was over with the 2k coup anyway.
Call me whatever, but i still think he won’t run again. He’s got his, (god knows) and i think Lotsa Other Stuff Will Happen.
Personally, I think the GOP nominates Romney, who the base hates. Bachmann goes all Tea Party and runs as an independent, therefore splitting the GOP vote and Obama wins meekly.
Bingo.
Thank you.
I’ve never believed that he wanted to be a one term prez but by saying that he shows himself to be less than up for a battle. Besides that, he appears to be bored.
Then Hilary and Mario might really be getting ready to run!
Interesting, you got any ideas to share as to WHY he would step down, and what kind of ‘stuff you allude to?
And I’m not being critical, I’m REAL curious about this positm it got my attention.
Thanks . . .
People didn’t read what Obama posted on DKos in 2005:
or what Black Agenda Report wrote about Obama in 2008:
That’s a good scenario . . , still not sure GOP will allow Romney to go to the dance.
Meekly wins is wins . . . it’s a lock at this point IMHO.
Time will tell . . . the masses are getting more n more pissed off each day . . . who knows what will transpire tween now and Nov ’12.
But barring unsuspecting calamity . . . he wins, even without the proggys votes.
Hilary bashing Obama ran to the left of Hilary and yes lied about it as we later found out. Hilary could have won by lying like Obama did about ending the wars, NAFTA etc as far as fighting goes show me a fight she won.
“He’s not an alien, he’s not a radical. He’s just not the person the country needs. He’s not tough enough, he’s not imaginative enough, and he’s not determined enough.”
Wow! well said even if it’s coming from a neocon.
Less up for a battle? He doesn’t have to battle, the corporate overlords fund him, the corporate media publicize him, He’s got a cakewalk.
The bored thing is an interesting observation . . . I’ve never heard boredom as being any kind of a factor in a decision to run, govern, or succeed or fail . . . I am at a loss to sincerely address that, but it’s got my attention. Never would have given it any notice . . .
That second one is a major keeper, Don.
Great catch.
Bored? He can just take more trips. Hob-nob with the British Royal Family. Let the family go on safari. The world is a big place, and he has just about the sweetest private jet in existence (no gold toilets AFAIK), and a sweet limo to ride around in when he gets there. Goofy dances with schoolchildren and sightseeing during the day, fancy dinners at night. Not a bad way to pass the time until he can retire and start making the real bucks, like Clinton did.
I would agree with all of that, especially the “imaginative” part. Obama is one of the most unimaginative people I’ve ever seen in politics. Duller than dishwater.
Yeah, I see him as bored. His recent report to the people was just phoned in (witness the fact that I can’t for the life of me remember what he was talking about or why he bothered). We’ll see what he’s yammering about tomorrow…..though I can barely stand to hear the lies falling out of his mouth. What a huge disappointment. I think he’d like to move on to a cushy money-making job where he can smoke and play golf several days a week. I really hate that so many of us got so badly conned.
Indeed, Hillary is a fighter, but her unfavorables were soooo high, we could well have ended up with President McCain. Hillary had a real problem with male voters.
Papau: “Hillary is not a blue dog.”
Right. She’s a red dog. As in:
Obstinately sticking with her vote for Bush’s clusterfuck until she saw it ruining her chances at the nomination…
Sucking up to the right wing by praising John McCain’s commander-in-chief credentials (and her own) as compared with Obama’s…
Playing the race card by saying that hardworking white people wouldn’t vote for Obama. (Inferentially, lazy black people WOULD…)
Unashamedly speculating that she needed to stay in the nomination contest because, gosharootie, look at how Bobby Kennedy got shot…
And that’s the big problem with Obama as presidential jellyfish:
All of the hacks, republican and democrat, are inspired and emboldened by HIS hackery. He had a chance to put that worldview right into the shitter, and instead, he’s climbed in, himself.
He was too cowardly to do anything with the big majorities and the clear mandate for real change that american voters gave him when they doubled John McCain’s electoral vote. Now that he’s led us into the mid-term hammering and with his political balls sitting in a mayo jar on John Boehner’s desk, how is he going to make the changes that would turn all this shit around?
The repubs will risk the degree of obstructionism that they’re currently employing, to prevent him from mounting the salvage operation that, to save his own presidency, he needed to mount. They don’t really need to pro-actively tank the economy; all they need to do is prevent Obama from jump-starting it by using the federal government, a la Roosevelt, which he seemingly has no real interest in doing, anyway. That will be enough to ensure that he’s going to be one of the biggest political reversals in our history.
I don’t think any democrat can win in 2012, but I’m not sure than any of the republicans we’re looking at, can grab the opportunity, either.
I understand that Petraeus has agreed to take over the CIA, which supposedly puts him out of the presidential picture, but I also think that the political landscape a year from now is going to look radically different than it does now, with most, if not all, bets, off. Period.
I think O. is going to be so unpopular that there will be people coming out of the woodwork to run at him, and I still believe that there’s a 50-50 chance that Hillary will be one of them. And that will be a perfect ending to the chance for a progressive agenda, since the republicans loathe her as much as ever, and since there are a lot of progressives like me (a former admirer of her) who were appalled by HER willingness to kiss rightwing ass, when she and her brass were brickdumb enough to think that that was the way to the democratic nomination and the presidency.
I know: I could have made this shorter by just posting:
We. Are. Fucked.
Cowardice is one hell of a liability capable of destroying nations … Ooops.
My theory is that they guy was mendacious from day one. His primary campaign was probably a farce, designed to fool progressives into supporting him over Clinton. He always was, and always will be pretty much in the tank for the status quo. His only political calculation really is that he wants to raise a lot of money, and that he can win the next election by being perceived as the “reasonable” centrist by swing voters. I think that is about it. The proverbial empty suit with no real values aside from self promotion. And unfortunately, it appears that we are stuck with him- because no serious Democrat has the courage to challenge him and call out his lies.
Sharkbabe might be right. If Obama’s numbers get into the 30′s, particularly the low 30′s, there could be enough democrats in congress who want at least a chance to hold onto their cushy life-style, that they will muster up the democratic version of the Goldwater Firing Squad and inform him that he can either resign gracefully, or preside over the short-term demise of the democratic party.
If he does, Joe Biden might want the nomination and have a decent leg up on getting it, but he’s going to have to put some distance between himself and Obama.
If Hillary gets the Oval Office thigh sweats (I expect she never got rid of them…) she’ll flat-out have to resign sometime in early-to-mid 2012, to make a run, whether or not he, himself, bails.
I wish he had won. If we are going to have republican policies, republicans might as well get the blame for them.
We’ve had 30 years of Reaganomics, and it has ruined the country. Having a “super-liberal Kenyan socialist” in the White House gives the republicans cover. They can say that “the liberal alternative has been tried and we’ve seen the result.” That is total crap, but a number of voters may be dumb enough to believe it.
Spiny, I don’t think we’re stuck with him. The GOP made the mid-terms all about Obama, and we got the shit kicked out of us. It’ll be even easier for them to do that, if his name is on the ballot.
As stupid and unprincipled as is the democratic “leadership”, I don’t think they’re totally suicidal.
The american voters have been looking at a long line of political charlatans; Obama has revealed himself to be one more of them. There will be no enthusiasm for his candidacy in 2012. If the democrats nominate him again, it will be an act of the highest cynicism, after all of the hopes that were pinned on him, and great win that they gave him, and the voters are tired of cynics. I think they want real change, but if it’s to come from a democrat (very small chance of that, now…) that democrat will have to distance himself or herself from Barack Obama, in no uncertain terms. In fact, it’s not an exaggeration to say that he or she will have to be as critical of Obama as the republicans, only for not doing enough, instead of the lunatic gibberish about his being a “socialist”.
“If we’re going to have republican policies, the republicans might as well get the blame for them.”
And that little sentence gets the Norman Mailer “No more bullshit!” award, for the week.
Good on you, Warp. :o)
And that right there should tell you all you need to know about the “serious democrats.”
Vote Green in 2012!
Tan!!
*G*
Thanks! :)
I totally agree. I can’t understand people trying to explain his actions away when he is such an obvious con-man. He spits in our face and they ask “Is it raining?”.
Yep, n thanks for the comment.
Obama was phony baloney from the word go. Sadly people in America don’t read or it would have been obvious to those who voted for him that he was just a tool for the bankinginsurancedefensepharmaceuticalbigfood conglomerate that has a stranglehold on the occupied world.
Right about now the USA needs 536 Mr. or Ms. Smiths in Washington.
All we get is Obama and Michelle Bachman.
*sigh*
Today for the first time in Salon I read an article acknowledging that the fact is, these global Gekkos don’t need us anymore. We should emigrate to more civilized shores.
Larue, good to hear your voice. damn good thread by Dave, Huh?
Warp; thank YOU, for a great line. It just might be the very pith at the core of our shit, for describing what’s happening. :o)
Bob, I have lost liberal friends because I call them out for their emotional attachment to the now-ridiculous idea that Obama is a real reformer whose courageous efforts at furthering a progressive agenda have been thwarted by the dastardly republicans.
It’s such outrageous bullshit that I can’t stand it when they speak it. It was bad enough listening to mindless drivel during Bush’s 8 years; I simply refuse to hear it without reubuttal, when it’s coming from fellow democrats.
I think Bachmann is just another Palin. In fact, both of those media-driven hogs are slopping at the same political trough of ignorant peckerheads. Something’s got to give. :o)
Just as with Sarah, Michelle’s handlers are going to have to restrict her free-lance speechifying, to keep her from making horrendous gaffes.
Confusing John Wayne’s Iowa roots with John Wayne Gacy’s (the mass murderer), was platinum. I was like: “You GO, Michelle!”
The worst thing about these idiots is that they make Obama appear to be a well-reasoned “centrist”…which is arrant horseshit.
It’s like he’s paying them to help him with this bogus definition of the political position markers.
I think Axlerod should be congratulated for perpetrating the greatest fraud on the American people (I fell for it) since that radio station convinced it’s listeners that Martians had landed on Earth.
“I fell for it”…
BayGal, A ton of us did. How not to, given that McCain represented Bush’s third term?
Little did we know that we were getting it anyway.
actually, I think he gets out in front of whatever crappy compromise he winds up with and acts like it was his plan all along, so I don’t think we can say what he does or doesn’t believe.
Nice guy, but wrong president at the wrong time. Although he didn’t have much of a track record in ’08, as a lifelong Dem I took the risk and voted for him because all alternatives were worse. (I actually preferred Biden, and earlier on Kucinich before he gave up so quickly.) I didn’t want another Clinton, and I certainly didn’t want Palin anywhere within 3,000 miles of the White House. Now, after succumbing to GOP blackmail numerous times after leading us on, it’s abundantly clear that although the Big O has a big heart and means well, he is a weak corporate tool who talks tough talk, then fails to walk. He pisses on his base and kisses up to the Chamber and Wall Street. And he has surrounded himself with incompetent Wall Street and ex-Clintonite advisers — not to mention some of Bushie’s favorites. He’s fooled too many people too many times. Now he has a track record, and although the alternatives may be worse, it ain’t good enough to get us where we need to be.
Good old Guns ‘n Roses Axlerod
Yup. Being talked to like a fool, again and again and again, gets old.
kind of reminds me of the instructions printed on the paper toilet seat cover dispenser at work: “Pull up, then tear down”.
Tangential–
(excerpt “Support the Gaza Freedom Flotilla & report from Kathy Kelly“)
It was me. But it was Barack Hoover-Bush Obama. Actually, I think he is now something orders of magnitude worse and have abandoned the epithet.
Agreed. Do people not think that if Obama wasn’t doing everything the repugs want that they wouldn’t trump up impeachment charges? Actually, they could use real charges, hell knows this Libya thing is the perfect opportunity.
People were conned and had and it is is only now dawning on them that something is wrong.
So, we had 2 choices, McCain and not McCain, Hobson’s Choice.
And we’re being set up again, vote for Obama or another right wing whackjob and it will play out the same way, people will hold their noses and vote for Obama and nothing will change, effectively giving us 16 years of GWB. AND THAT’s how you get around the 2 four year term limits.
Fight for what? He believes in nothing more than getting re-elected and serving the interests of the wealthy elite. As Cornel West has said Obama has become the “black mascot” for Wall street. He’s already proven to have zero principles or character. The entire disaster of Obama demonstrates how cycnical and corrupt our politicians are in reality.
Regrettably, voters weren’t fooled so much as blinded by 8 years of Bush.
We were Obama’s custom-made path of least resistance.
I blame no one but myself and am working hard to rectify…
David Frum is always worth reading even though often he’s an ideological miscreant (as is the WSJ). He is thoughtful and smart enough, which means when he offers erroneous ideas those are still at least worth debating and shooting down. He’s not loony.
He’s correct this time, though, about Obama. So the question: how does Obama restore his bona fides and get back on track?
I think the answer and opportunity will come conveniently soon with the debt ceiling. Obama should dig in on that and if necessary have Geithner and the Treasury ignore it. Tap Bernake’s shoulder in private, as well.
There have been some recent posts at FDL about the President’s ability to have the administration skirt that ceiling and geld one of the GOP’s tools. They were all fringe ideas, but plausible I think. Then once that’s done there’s a precedent, and we move forward, no? The GOP would huff and puff, but their subsqeuent leverage would be watered down dramatically. The global financial situation is stark enough for Obama to successfully cast the GOP as hostage takers at home who cannot be allowed to unwind the global economy in which we have a big stake.
Just do it!
Bingo Bingo Bingo!
I’m sorry that is funny shit right there.
Failure to use the bully pulpit to counter those GOP arguments is one fault that shouldn’t be overlooked. He could have done everything else exactly as he has, but if he’d gone to the people and articulated — persistently — a vision of fighting for the middle and working classes; of fighting the banks; I would be able to be a bit more forgiving of the other failings.
Completely agree.
I have just read all these comments. You do see that progressives are disappointed and hurt by Obama, would love to see him prove them wrong. He can’t be what he is not, so I actually see any more effort put into him as a waste of time. We need to focus on what it takes to be successful, i.e. getting into office on every level people who are committed to progressive goals. We as individuals need to act every day in ways that emphasize our views, even simple things such as canceling our AARP memberships, refusing to use debit or credit cards, requesting to be put on boards and commissions that have real impact, have the backs of local authorities such as the AG in NY who is showing strength against the banks, etc… Let’s use our energy constructively to make it more probable that we can preserve and promote progressive goals, not dissipating it with saying the obvious: Obama just didn’t pack it and he won’t in the future. Next.
One has to wonder if Obama is so Right Wing and doing the Republican bidding, why do they want him out so intently? He must be doing something non GOP. So what is it? Just because he has a D after his name? Maybe the GOP is just putting on an act but really want to keep Obama in office. Wait, what could be the underlying motives of the GOP? Oh jeezz, I am so confused now. Oh now I remember, he is black. Conservatives can not have a black President. But if it were not for that, hey, he would be the Republican best choice according to you guys.
Why is Obama not doing a good job of positioning himself to win in 2012?
Maybe he’s in a rush to get on with the lucrative post-presidential phase of his career.
I expect Barack Obama to do extraordinarily well for himself, once he’s turned loose on things like memoirs, auto-biographies, speaking engagements, corporate board posts, etc.
Compare him to LBJ.
Kevin Baker called it-Summer of 2009
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562
Obama’s failure would be unthinkable. And yet the best indications now are that he will fail, because he will be unable—indeed he will refuse—to seize the radical moment at hand.
“as fighting goes show me a fight she won.”
Children’s health insurance
Hillary had a real problem with male voters.-
true – and she polled a win by 5 points – 2 less than Obama was polling going into the voting booth. Obama’s polling with white males was what again?
no matter – 2008 was and is now a “could have been” – and she is not running in 2012.
It will be Romney versus Obama – and “where can the left go” again.
Sad – but Clinton stated the correct international law re blockade breaking boats going to a nation that declares itself to be at war with you and is currently firing rockets into your territory. It can only end badly unless they accept the Israeli offer to move the humanitarian cargo to Gaza AFTER the boats land in Israel.
Ask yourself why no “Eqypt refuses to increase flow into and out of Gaza” demonstrations.
The coming elections in Gaza will be interesting as polls indicate Hamas loses unless it cheats on the count or prevents opposition voting.
“he would be the Republican best choice” – maybe not really as he could not, as a GOPer, guarantee a very large segment of the GOP would vote for him via his appeal for “Group loyalty”. But of course as a GOPer he would get Democratic “crossover” votes via that appeal, offsetting GOP votes lost because of skin color – so maybe he would be the “Republican best choice”! :-)
Not very likely…
Your definition of sanity is not shared by the majority of the electorate. GWB got re-elected. Was he “sane” by your standards?
Obama has no chance of winning because there is no chance the economy will recover in time. He needed to get the unemployment rate down to 7.5% or lower to have a chance and it will be at least a point higher than that 16 months from now.
Swing voters always vote on the state and direction of the economy and they always fault the president and his party when they don’t like what they see. If you think 2010 was a shellacking for the Dims (sic), then just wait for 2012 to see how much worse it can get.
If Romney gets the nomination, he will choose Bachmann as his running mate. That strategy actually did work for McCain in 2008 when he chose Palin. Palin brought him the religious right that would have sat out the election otherwise.
The advantage that Romney-Bachmann would have over McCain-Palin is that this time it will be a Democratic president who will be blamed for the poor state of the economy. That will swing the swing voters to the Republicans this time.
Your past desperation is understandable and I commend you for your willingness since then to see Obama for what he really is.
Obama is and always was a lackey of the establishment. Kissing ass is how he elevated himself throughout his life.
“That strategy actually did work for McCain in 2008.”
Absolutely!
That was the republican plan; to have the democrats double their electoral vote.
However many bible zombies and snake twirlers he picked up with Palin, he sure as hell lost a lot more independents and probably even some moderate republicans.
McCains’s picking a running mate who opposes sex education in the schools, at the same time he was appearing on stage with her daughter who had a bun in the oven, was nothing short of political wizardry. :o)
Hillary had a real problem with american voters. It’s even worse now that she indisputably showed her latex political morals as she made the “savvy” decision that after 8 years of Bush and the GOP, kissing rightwing ass was the path to the White House.
I remember in the campaign, and after her surprise loss in Iowa, her staff, already in panic-mode, released a “poll” that showed her running well with republican women. It was hilarious. No one, and I mean NO one, took it seriously.
In 2008, that the democrats would be lunatic enough to nominate her was the only hope that the republicans had. I can only hope that there will be some serious polls quietly taken that will discourage her from making another shot at it in 2012.
“…but really want to keep Obama in office.”
Bingo.
The fatcats were shitting green nickels as Obama came in. Was he going to be another Roosevelt, and use the presidency to mount a salvage operation that would include loosening the corporate grip on the American government?
The answer, of course, has been a resounding “NO!” A few days ago, when Obama avowed that he couldn’t be too critical of the corporations because it would depress the market, I thought:
“Well, there we have it. Pope Obama the first, honestly telling the world where his values lie…in the portfolios and boardrooms of the economic Holy See.”
No, you’re monday-morning-quarterbacking. Obama said some good things, and his speech in 2002 against the invasion of Iraq, was politically courageous, coming at a time when most of the country (including Hillary) were drinking the bushCo koolaid like it was their mother’s milk.
He said he would walk the picket line with organized labor.
He said he would restrict offshore drilling and “protect our coasts”.
He was openly critical of “the fatcats”, and actually used the term, which was a pleasant shock, to me.
Now that he has utterly squandered the clout that we gave him, and instead, has sustained so many of the worst policies of Bush, he deserves our scorn and our opposition, but he looked and sounded like a clear alternative to John McCain and the unabashed continuation of the savage idiocy of the republicans.
Let me ask you this, if you were so prescient about his dishonesty, whom did you support for the nomination?
“Show me a fight she won.”
Well, she won the fight to help George Bush drag us into the shitmire in Iraq, and she kept helping him for nearly 5 years of bloody, useless, chaos, until she figured out (Not that it was a terrible mistake, morally) but that it was the main reason she was losing a presidential nomination that was hers for the taking.
“given Hillary is not running…”
That is not yet a “given”. :o)
Obama pre-identified “The people” as part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Expressing frustration isn’t negative.
“(Real) Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.” – Augustine
Seems like there is a divide though between those who see anger as a potentially very positive force and those who do not allow for such thought to occur.
Otherwise, I think you are right. I just always wonder why people like my local Dems group members are afraid to embrace their anger and disavow it at every opportunity.
We all need to be harnessing the energy, even anger, our own personal as well as shared. I think we need to be constantly reminded of what we are up against because we are strong enough and we also need to keep watch of those who would destroy this country whether through action or inaction.
Who is going to watch the watchers? The media? Who to tell them what +#%^’s they are? Why not us? Should we just go silent during the multi-generational rebuilding process? I choose to not think so.
Like I said though, I agree with the sentiment, just wanted to work out my thoughts after reading what you wrote.
Romney probably wouldn’t call us “fucking retards” and Dems could play opposition to bad Republican policies. Average Dems would have to pay a little more attention to failed policies coming from a Republican President rather than pledge allegiance to a false Dem like Obama.
If Romney is a closet liberal, how much worse could it be than what we have now? SCOTUS argument doesn’t cut it for me but is the best argument I see for keeping our current POtuS.
Let Romney do to his Party what Obama did to ours.
Your title constructs Obama as a good guy who just needs pushing. Let’s abandon that narrative once and for all, eh? I know that he smiles nice, and that he encourages it himself. . . that ought to be a clue.
This 120-comment thread, right here, is the reason FDL excels, it’s the reason FDL is a leader, it’s the reason the White House has been forced to create its late-comer “Progressive Media” pushback operation. It’s just amazing & gratifying to me, being an old fogie who has given up on the Democratic Party. I esp. dug 4cdave @40 & donbacon @55.
Yes.
Most people continue to see it wrong.
Obama just is not who people thought that he was (based upon calculated campaign-stump posturing to fool “progressives”).
Obama never wanted true Health Care Reform. He sought out from day one an Insurance-Pharma approved and written interpretation of “reform” (which is no reform at all).
Obama never wanted to end the Bush-Cheney Wars. Whenever pressed for specifics we would hear that the Iraq Occupation, troops, bases, etc. would not be rejected – but maintained.
Obama is a Neocon.
Obama is the “War President”: 5 of ‘em!!
Obama likes to criminalize government whistleblowers and give awards, honors to and legally protect War Criminals.
Obama is the first person in World History to make a mockery out of the Nobel Peace Prize – giving a pro-Preemptive War-Occupation speech (rending the honor now meaningless).
Ideologically, Obama is a Joe-Lieberman “democrat” (which is no Democrat at all folks) who governs like Mitt Romney, and whose favorite U.S. Presidential hero was Ronald Reagan.
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There is not one single progressive bone or instinct in this man’s body. So the fallacy is to think that Obama “wants to do right thing” but just is conflict averse. He knows what he is doing.
Rather Obama pre-emptively and premeditatedly does not want to do the right thing. He is a conscious, puppet President acting on behalf of the Central Banking Elites, Wall Street, and the War Establishment and who has contempt for “The Left” at each and every turn.
That contempt has been already publically revealed through his own mockery and statements, and those of Rahm Emanuel, Robert Gibbs, and others within his hand-picked Administration (which of course include Bush’s War Policy men and Wall Street crooks).
Obama is now starting-up his phony PR-charade that “he’s frustrated too” for the 2012 election. Don’t believe a word of it. This man would rather play Golf with Dick Cheney, than play Golf woth any serious, pasionate progressive advocate.
He’s not one of us.
He is Clarence Thomas redux.
He needs to be voted out of office.
A News Story out today shows that all the Wars have cost this Nation $3.7 TRILLION dollars and more. Obama wants all this to continue.
I’m voting for Ron Paul who will put a stop to the $3.7 TRILLION War Crimes and War Profiteering, and restore our Civil Liberties, due process, separation of powers, and make this broken Country act like a functioning Republic once again. He will also end the Drug War, end NAFTA, and end the crooked looting Federal Reserve Monopoly that makes the purchasing power of our dollars go down and down each year, and scale down the CIA.
It is only in that environment, that honest political debate can occur (with the Wars and Goldman Sachs-J.P.Morgan kicked to the sidelines).
Sarah Palin never opposed sex education in the schools.
The only Democrat I liked was Kucinich. I gave money to Ron Paul’s campaign and voted for him in the primary. (As an independent, I had the option of voting in either the Republican or Democratic primary.) I did not vote for president in the general election.
I spotted Obama as a phony the first time I heard him in a television interview not long after he announced his candidacy for president.