President Obama was asked today about the decision by the National Labor Relations Board with respect to Boeing, and you can see his answer above. He said that the NLRB is an independent agency and that there’s a pending judicial matter. “So I don’t want to get into the details of the case. I don’t know all the facts. That’s going to be for a judge to decide.”
However, he then spoke broadly about the fact that corporations need to have the “freedom to relocate,” although they have to follow the law, and that if that relocation occurs in the United States, “that’s a good thing.” He concludes that labor and management shouldn’t fight and should “come to a sensible agreement” before it results in shutting down a plant.
I’ll take the President at his word that he doesn’t know all the facts. Specifically, he must not know the fact that Boeing admitted flat-out that they made the decision to relocate from Washington state to South Carolina, a right-to-work state, because they wanted to avoid unionization. This violates the NLRA explicitly, and the NLRB had to act.
Now, the President may be making a further argument that any American job is a good job, and there’s no value in a union job vis-a-vis a nonunion job at the same company. Freedom of relocation, then, matters more than unionization. That’s at variance with everything we know about the effect of unionization on wages and prosperity, but that could be his opinion. It appears to be the opinion of his hand-picked Commerce Secretary:
But the issue became more awkward for Obama when John Bryson, his pick to head the Commerce Department and a former Boeing board member, openly criticized the lawsuit during a Senate confirmation hearing last week.
“I think it’s not the right judgment,” Bryson said. He said Boeing officials thought they were “doing the right thing for the country” by keeping jobs in the U.S. and not moving them overseas.
Bryson further added that his focus will be on jobs and that “businesses in our country are too often stifled by absolutely unnecessary, cumbersome regulation.”
Now, to be fair, President Obama also chose the majority of the NLRB – even recess-appointed them – who came to this decision. And there’s that little caveat about businesses not “breaking the law” when they exercise their freedom to relocate. But to put it in such simple terms, on such business-friendly turf, neglects the issue. Corporations have been insistently engaging in widespread union busting, which has a material effect on worker’s wages and their rights. You can make a he said/she said determination out of all of that, but it’s not a factual claim.
I’ll add that Barack Obama is not the only elected Democrat who shows no respect for labor or understanding of their plight. Jerry Brown last night vetoed a farmworker card check bill that would have enhanced protections for some of the most vulnerable employees in our society. Brown got huge support last year from the farm workers’ union and from Latinos in California. The lack of respect from Democrats for some of their primary funding and ground game sources is really staggering.
UPDATE: Business groups are asking GOP Presidential candidates to “turn up the heat” on the NLRB. I think the Administration has that covered.





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Boeing is relocating? I didn’t know that. I thought the company was setting up an additional manufacturing facility in South Carolina which would not affect current ones in Washington.
PS: The link “because they wanted . . .” 404′s.
The only thing worse than a constitutional scholar who uses that cred to get elected president is one who doesn’t uphold his responsibility NOT TO COMMENT when he says he’s NOT going TO COMMENT.
I sure hope the Democrats put up a nominee to run against the current Republican president in 2012.
Considering that the Dreamliner has been delayed how many years because of bad parts as a result of outsourcing and a right to work state American plant run so bad Boeing had to buy the company O’s statement seems out of touch with reality.
How many countries want the money back they put down for Dreamliner’s they expected to be delivered by now?
If Boeing was all about profit they would change direction and build the Dreamliner all inhouse all Union.
Brown just made my list!
And there’s that little caveat about businesses not “breaking the law” when they exercise their freedom to relocate.
Excuse me? You think an agency can tell people where to expand their business? Liberal authoritarianism strikes again.
If anyone on the left really wonders why hiring isn’t happening, they need only look at this story. If Boeing loses on this, it’s overseas they’ll go
in fairness, Obama got hammered here for commenting on something, Bradley Manning, before Manning’s hearing, so, he’s not doing it in this instance.
can’t have it both ways.
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/06/08/i-heard-this-line-before-it-didnt-work-before-so-why-does-time-think-it-will-work-this-time/
Obama if you need people to brief you on the issues before you make a fool of yourself I’m available:) 2007 was when Boeing planned to launch the Dreamliner its 2011 now thats 4 years and counting late obviously outsourcing and right to work states can’t handle complex jobs.
Thank goodness I didn’t vote for the Obama turkey. I did hold my nose and vote for Brown, or, rather, against that megabomination thing opposing him. Brown is just so timid, too, it’s flabbusterating.
Support the Rescue Education California initiative!
You’re missing the point: if he had just not commented, fine. But he did comment.
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/06/08/i-heard-this-line-before-it-didnt-work-before-so-why-does-time-think-it-will-work-this-time/
Rather than end a contract Boeing buys a company that could not deliver what was promised in the contract and now Boeing wants to build a second plant in a state that did not have the skilled workers needed to build the parts for their first attempt to build with non union workers?
Aside from busting their Union and risking their companies future doing so what logic what reasoning does Boeing give for the move.
They need a reason to move to beat the National Labor Relations Board charge.
I like fiction.
When are people going to realize this guy is nothing but a corporatist hack.
Is there not a real Democrat and a true Progressive who has the courage to challenge Obama in the primaries?
They already went over seas and to right to work states and as a result are 4 years behind schedule any more delays and we will be talking about whether Boeing should get a Federal Bailout like the car companies.
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/06/08/i-heard-this-line-before-it-didnt-work-before-so-why-does-time-think-it-will-work-this-time/
Speaking of bailouts Pratt & Whitney is doing the same thing Boeing did on the Dreamliner I expect them to be next for a bailout.
Why do guys like you want people to work for peanuts, did the Kocksucker brothers tell you you’d be a billionaire some day if you just swollowed their bullshit.
The Green Party.
Don’t forget lifespans and infant mortality rates Right to work states suck on that income is related to healthcare access.
…a constitutional scholar who uses that cred to get elected president….
constitutional scholar my ass.
I think he just browsed the Cliff’s Notes version as edited by Samuel Alito.
Aristotle said some people are just meant to be slaves.
I’m not commenting on how Boeing builds airplanes, I’m commenting on the chutzpah of a Govt agency telling a company to abandon a $2 billion dollar investment, because a union told them to.
Right.
So when any trading partner you do business with breaks a faithfully and legally executed contract with you in your state, you’re cool with losing that business and won’t do anything about it, right?
Are you trying to tell me that Boeing signed over it’s future plans to a union? Cite please.
They need a reason to move jobs and given SC’s track record with Boeing Boeing does not have a reason we all know Boeing is close to asking for a Federal bailout 4 years and counting is a long time to wait for a new plane.
If anything the Feds should stop all Boeing outsourcing and save the company now.
Free Markets stop being free when defense contractors with vital military tech face going under or getting an expensive federal bailout.
Thats my tax dollars and yours that will be used to bail them out because we can’t have Being Scientists going to China to look for jobs.
I think he means SC factory that Boeing had to buy because they could not build parts to spec under contract. Why Boeing bought them instead of letting them fail? I suspect SC pols put some pressure on Boeing and that Government interference in free markets is ok by you?
Give me another reason why Boeing would buy that plant or build a new plant in a state without the workers to build parts to spec other than political pressure like say votes on Boeing’s military contracts with the Feds?
No.
I asked you a question of principal. “…So when any trading partner you do business with breaks a faithfully and legally executed contract with you in your state…
Do you agree with that or not? And then I’ll provide my citation.
The President does not think in terms of labor. He thinks in terms of capital.
He is not on our side. He is working for the other side.
If you’ll recall Obama did these recess appointments at the time he was desperate for support from unions for his health care bill. He found a small pair in, I would bet, exchange for some push from the unions in support for his “signature legislation.”
Also, let’s face it shooter242 knows that it is perfectly ok for a business to screw the workers any way it can, and government should not even try to prevent it. I mean after all who cares if those guys worked their whole working lives for this company. I mean what loyalty does the company have for them?
OK I’ll agree. Let’s see it.
To avoid strikes of course. Believe it or not, companies are allowed to do that.
Jerry Brown is another big time used car salesman, just like Oilbomber. Remember back in the day he supposedly slept in his car or some shit–what a hypocrite asshole. Now those farm workers can die of heat stroke in the sun. Good going, Jerry. Man, has every pol turned into an asshole right winger.
Strikes are not costing the company as much money as right to work states and outsourcing not getting good parts delivered as contract specifies.
Really?
Seems to me its illegal or else there would be no complaint so change the law but as the law stands now your wrong.
The Law itself:
That is exactly the nature and substance of the Complaint [PDF file].
That’s the law, and the described breaking of it and a legally, faithfully executed contract.
Right you are. I wish the current Republican president felt more like Lincoln when it comes to capital and labor:
Thank you, KellyCanfieldDenver. People should realize that the NLRB did not just pull this decision out of their collective arse and that it was in fact well grounded in a considered reading of the law and applicable regulations. That’s not to say that some people may not like the applicable laws and regulations, but they’re there and the decision was correct. (Someone should perhaps also take time to explain this to the Republican in the White House.)
I’m not a lawyer but I have to presume that since no union members lost jobs, there’s no basis. What is the injury?
Obama is not interested in what is good for the country or its people. He is only interested in re-election and his financial backers. All this bi-partisany love ya other team while trying to beat them garbage is just that.
GARBAGE to trick people into believing he is above the rabble of the past. He is part of it and has made it stronger.
You haven’t had teacher lay-offs in your area?
Strikes cost NOTHING compared to the decisions made at the very top of the company to outsource the production and design of the airplane.
Program launch costs – about $5B
Current overruns – $12B to $18B (above the original $5B)
Blame the Boeing BOD for the piss poor idea to outsource everything (it was done at their insistence). Will anybody on the BOD be held accountable? No. If Federal government performance is bad, corporate governance (as demonstrated by Wall St’s implosion) is a sick joke.
If you would read the Complaint, you would see the actual prayer for Relief:
Yep kill a union is 0 goal. I don’t fly the skyies any more but your plane was built by the lowest $$.
Well then, see you in court. Particularly in the court of public opinion.
What would the Democrats do if the Republicans end up nominating Obama as their candidate? I suppose they would second the nomination.
shooter, WA state has made massive investments in Boeing. I guess the investments the people of WA state made are less deserving?
No one is protecting workers, jobs or unions so might as well all race to the bottom regardless of broken promises and broken law?
I know you will only deeper entrench so really there is no point in my even engaging, is there?
The Big 0 flips another union the bird. Same slimy POtuS, different day.
I don’t have all the facts so won’t speak directly on what a wasted fucktard 0 is so I will just say he eats the poor and working class for breakfast without a twinge of conscience or even mild indigestion.
Obama might exercise his freedom to pull his head out his ass?
Forest, did you miss the part where Boeing hasn’t fired anyone in WA? In fact they hired more. Which part of that are you unhappy with?
Boo frickin Hoo. An executive said strikes are hurting the company. Oh woe are the workers. Boo hoo hoo.
This is union overreach of the worst sort and exactly why companies leave the country, voters support conservative politicians, and employers are afraid of what the Govt is going to do next.
On top of all that, this action, if going to cost 1000 employees in SC misery for years. Obviously you aren’t interested in jobs, just being a legal gadfly.
4 and counting years of production delays thanks to outsourcing and right to work states COST vs how many months of a strike by Union employees and you think companies are losing more money because of the strike? No product means no revenue at all from the Dreamliner.
And now some countries want their money they gave up front back for the Dreamliner. Delay means cost the greater the delay the more costs.
As far as Union overreach goes its the law and if you notice the american economy was at its strongest when unions were strongest. Voters don’t want McJobs your statement about voters wanting Conservative politicians is curious Mitt Mr Healthcare for everyone ( many Unions already get healthcare) leads the GOP Presidential picks however even he loses to Obama in the polls.
Despite high unemployment and $4 a gallon gas Thats how much voters are turning to the GOP!
Obama as it stands today would be the first President to win reelection with unemployment and gas prices this high!
Why because the voters don’t want and can’t keep their homes with McJobs.
They should after 4 years end all the outsourcing and right to work state contracts and build the Dreamliner inhouse 4 years to build a plane Free Markets suck the government should take them over if there is a bailout.
There is a joke told by investors for many years how do you make a small fortune in the airline industry after deregulation well given all the bankruptcies start with a large fortune.
Given Boeing and now Pratt & Whitney outsourcing the joke can include airplane makers.
Given all the money Boeing is losing because of Right to work and outsourcing not getting Boeing the parts 4 years of production delays workers are worried quite rightly for their jobs. Since Boeing makes military planes they will get bailed out by the Feds with my and your tax money we can’t have Boeing scientists going to China that means its our concern as well.
We should outsource Boeing execs instead of their workers. Boeing Execs are driving their company bankrupt. Apparently free market means the free choice to commit company suicide.
This post ends some cognitive dissonance for me. I was thinking how could it be that the NLRB was taking bold liberal/progressive action under the Obama administration? Everything I know about Obama and his administrations suggests they are Reaganites. Then the speech yesterday clarified it. The NLRB thing is an embarrasment for Obama. Of course, he wants to fly on airplanes made by the cheapest labor money can buy.
I also note the Boeing HQ is now located in Chicago and so it is a reasonable guess that the Boeing brass can put the screws on the Chicago-kid.
Also, this is a great move that will serve to alienate tens of thousands of union voters in Washington state. After all, Washington is only a blue state because of Seattle and its suburbs, which is where all of those greedy union workers live.
Obama deserves to lose in 2012. I am starting to think it would be better if he did lose. With friends like Obama, who needs enemies?
Responding to my questions with your same diversions? Almost as if you have a dog in this fight and it’s against the people of WA and on behalf of the corporation?
Answer my questions in a reasonable fashion and I will try not to laugh at yours. I mean that in all seriousness.
shooter, all you are doing is further entrenching. So I will repeat since you seem to need me to repeat, what is the point of engaging?