The LA Times finds a nut and recognizes that, no matter what deal ultimately emerges from the debt limit talks, it’s going to be a Republican victory:
Even as the political battle mounts over federal spending, the end result for federal policy is already visible — and clearly favors Republican goals of deep spending cuts and drastically fewer government services.
President Obama entered the fray last week to insist that federal deficits can’t be reduced through spending reductions alone. Federal tax revenue also must rise as part of whatever deficit reduction package Congress approves this summer, he said. Obama has been pushing to end a series of what he calls tax loopholes and tax breaks for the rich.
But even if Obama were to gain all the tax-law changes he wants, new revenue would make up only about 15 cents of each dollar in deficit reduction in the package. An agreement by the Republicans to accept new revenue would be a political victory for Obama because “no new taxes” has been such an article of faith for the GOP.
In a perverse way, I’ll bet that the White House LIKES this article being out there, because it shows how Republicans won’t even accept a deal massively tilted to their ends, or something. But the article is really an indictment. And it reflects what I’ve been saying for months. The entire concept of trading an increase in the debt limit, a routine bill that usually passes with grumbling but little else, for a transformation of government, is Grover Norquist’s most long-hoped dream realized.
First of all, the LAT writes that this would be the third major GOP victory in less than a year, the extension of the Bush tax cuts and the 2011 appropriations bill being the other two. Second, it confirms once again that $200 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid have been agreed to by the White House, although we still don’t know what those cuts signify. And third, it clarifies the numbers I laid out yesterday, with the Administration having reduced their revenue demands from the already-small number:
The White House is seeking about $300 billion in new revenue over the decade, less than half the amount it sought when Obama first outlined his goals last spring, based on the proposals in negotiations.
Obama once targeted the wealthiest Americans, the top 2% who earn beyond $200,000 a year, proposing to cap their income tax deductions.
But weeks of closed-door talks have diminished that goal. Now, even a deduction cap on those Americans earning beyond $500,000 a year — just 1.3 million Americans, fewer than 1% of all taxpayers — has been dashed. The latest offer on the table would be a more limited cap, to generate an additional $130 billion.
Previously, the capping of itemized deductions would have brought in $290 billion. So that results in a reduction of $160 billion in revenues, for a total of $257 billion, going off of the rest of yesterday’s numbers. If you add in a repeal of the ethanol subsidy, not on yesterday’s list but in this article, you get to $300 billion. But the ethanol subsidy is set to expire at the end of the year anyway (it’s one of these perennial tax extenders), so that’s not really a change from the baseline.
What the LAT doesn’t explain is what a more liberal economic policy would look like right now. I don’t blame them: barely anyone is expressing that vision. But here’s at least someone, Laura D’Andrea Tyson of Berkeley, who understand that the near-term jobs crisis of 14 million Americans out of work due to a lack of demand is the priority right now:
So what should policy makers do? They should pair fiscal measures aimed at job creation now with a credible plan to reduce the deficit gradually –- and pass both at once, as a package. Approving a deficit-reduction plan but deferring its starting date until the economy is near full employment will cut the odds that immediate contraction will tip the faltering economy back into recession.
Indeed, passage of such a package could bolster growth by easing investor concerns about future deficits, reducing long-term interest rates and strengthening consumer and business confidence.
There is strong bipartisan support among budget negotiators in Washington for an enforceable debt target as an essential component of a credible deficit-reduction plan. Breaching the target would lead to automatic changes in spending and revenues. I believe we should pair an unemployment-rate target with a debt target. The unemployment-rate target would postpone significant spending cuts or revenue increases to achieve the debt target until the economy is closer to full employment.
Most economists believe that full employment for the American economy implies a structural unemployment rate of 5 to 6 percent. The unemployment-rate target should be set within that range. Current forecasts by the C.B.O., the Office of Management and Budget, the Hamilton Project and most private-sector economists predict that this target will not be achieved until 2015 or later. That’s when serious actions to narrow the long-run fiscal gap would begin to take effect.
The “spending now, deficit reduction later” idea is pretty neoliberalish, but at least it has some kind of internal logic to it. Tyson doesn’t offer anything substantive for stimulus except another round of payroll tax cuts, but the unemployment-rate target idea is brilliant, holding spending harmless until we are at full employment. My problem is that she sees no problem with waiting until 2015 until we get there, but on the whole, it’s better than what just about anyone else is saying right now.
This all comes on the heels of a White House report showing that the 2009 Recovery Act saved or created as much as 3.6 million jobs so far, and in the first quarter of 2011 increased GDP by 2.3 to 3.2%. Because GDP in Q1 was only 1.9%, this means that government stimulus was the only thing between us and a recession that would still be going over three years after it began. Any reasonable analysis of that fact would say that more stimulus is needed to increase economic growth and bring down the unemployment rate. Sadly, the White House doesn’t even read their own reports.




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Democrats have become an abused spouse. They not only have to be whipped and humiliated, they’re going to campaign on how much they liked it.
They’ve also become the thug enforcers for the mob. The Republicans want something and they make the not very smart thugs go out and do the dirty work. Republicans don’t want to be seen stealing from granny or kicking the disabled into the gutter, they let Democrats do it for them.
We do not have to vote to enable this.
I’ll put some blame on the American voters who keep drinking Grover Norquist’s koolaid.
thanks, David.
To give the WH some spunk, I and my spouse gave them a tiny bit of cheese on 6/30. We want the donor numbers to be up, and perhaps they will use that to leverage the goopers.
if the give away benefits for medicare and/or social security (chain cpi included) I will have to seriously consider nadering them in 2012.
i did not nader the gore.
@greenbell – “We do not have to vote to enable this.”
The bottom line is that our fellow citizens already did. And will likely continue to do so. And we’re going to be stuck living with the consequences.
But it begins with ME. I’m taking every single one of my votes seriously. I need an extremely good reason to cast a vote for someone. Gone are the days when I figured it’s the lesser of two evils. It isn’t really lesser at all anymore because they wait for Republicans to tell them what to do and then they do it.
I may vote for a few Democrats locally, but I’m not voting for that fraud in the White House or the Democrat running for reelection for the US Senate. I know whose side they are on and it’s not mine. Another Minnesotan killed in senseless war again in my paper this morning. My Senator votes to confirm all the folks who can’t win any of these wars. The greatest and most profligate war power on the planet can’t win any war (winning means the troops come home) and all we do is reward the folks who can do nothing but spend money and get troops killed.
We’re laying off hundreds of thousands of middle class public employees. We’re cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and LYING about not doing it.
We’re pretending (but not pretending too loud for fear any rich person might take it seriously) to close a few nuisance loopholes used by the wealthy.
And after that awesome exercise in hope and change off he’ll go to Martha’s Vineyard to vacation while the state parks are closed in my stte.
You think ANY of these clowns deserves my precious vote?
I can’t stop them but I am not going to vote or them.
It is time to get serious about eliminating – through tax policy – the vast accumulations of generational wealth that have turned this country into the equivalent of the South American oligarchy.
Make the income tax progressive again; tax wealth, and break up the megacorporations. Strip corporations of personhood. Unless we do that, there is no hope of getting our country back.
And unless we take to the streets in massive numbers as we did in the 60s for civil rights and antiwar, and earlier for labor rights (now gone), woman’s suffrage, and even (the ill-conceived) abolition of alcohol, there is no chance of that happening. The MOTU have never voluntarily given up wealth or power anywhere. And they now own the political process.
Well said.
Maybe we need a third party. This two party system is not working.I also think we all need to accept the idea that taxes will have to go up if we want these social programs. That means taxes on everyone but we can start with the Bush tax cuts.
I agree with that and have suggested it myself. The next election is coming and we need to get this organized. Who will do it?
Recall that the Republicans didn’t object at all to raising the debt ceiling throughout the Bush years. This is because back then the debt ceiling needed to be raised in order to pay for our bogus war on Islamic terrorism and bail out the financial terrorists on Wall Street. But unfortunately we are now in a situation where our elected officials on both sides on the aisle are too beholden the war profiteers at the Pentagon and the sociopathic bankers on Wall Street to ever put them on the chopping block.
This leaves our elected officials no other choice but to put social security on the chopping block, despite the fact that unlike the our military and our banking system, Social Security pays for itself! This is what happens when you have a debt-based economy like ours — you reward your debtors and you punish your savers. Like all debt-based economies, we steal from our savers and hand out the loot to our debtors.
And because we have a pro-war, pro-Wall Street corporatist in the White House, it’s pretty much a given that he’ll go along with the Republican plan to first make sizable cuts to Social Security before raising the debt ceiling. The goal of all pro-war, pro-Wall Street corporatists, including our warmongering Nobel Peace Prize winner of a president, Barack Obama, is to starve Social Security in order fatten up the debt-making machines at the Pentagon and on Wall Street. And once Social Security is on its deathbed dying of starvation, Wall Street bankers will step in and claim that they can save Social Security by privatizing it, which is just another way of saying that they’ll make Social Security just another cog in their debt-making machine.
From the Shrill One today:
Background for this discussion
http://my.firedoglake.com/gimlet/2011/07/01/reformatting-information-on-the-national-debt/#
If the irresponsible politician want to put the burden on our backs then we will respond by voting out all the radical extremist so-called republicans, the blue dog Democrats, and anyone else that cuts Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security for our seniors that receive, on average, only $1,000 per month from SS.
The grandchildren, parents, and the seniors will vote in mass against these Fascists.
The streets do not work all that well if the White House is not listening – as shown by labor’s multi-decade (50 years) of marches until FDR. Indeed Viet Nam marches just got us Nixon as they sold fear of violence – yet fear of violence is the only thing the rich listen to. 2008 was most likely the last chance for “change” – and we blew that in the 2008 primary.
I don’t know what really works well – but since we only have creating an active movement “option”- marches if we can – that will have to be the way we go. Throwing the Dems out of office when they screw us will be necessary – no matter how much worse the GOP is that year.
yet fear of violence is the only thing the rich listen to.
Property damage scares them as much as a war with the police or National Guard. Fire has always been an old favorite.
Raise the debt ceiling via reconciliation problem solved. This fear mongering is Shock Doctrine 101. Jesus I am a little person and I can see what they are doing. It is bullshit. /Rant over
They’re even afraid of touting this. Because spending (and multiplier) work in BOTH directions. To the extent that the spending increases and tax cuts in the stimulus lowered unemployment, the decreases in spending and increases in taxes (that Barry is insisting on) in the budget deal would increase unemployment.
11-dimensional chess? No, stupid contradictory bullshit.
The debt ceiling is a ruse to do what both parties want, cut Social Security and Medicare.
Remember Obama’s “Debt Commission”? Bernanke’s comment about where the money was and that legislation could get at it?
And of course, Republicans have been after the social safety net since it was first put in place.
There is an assumption that there will be a deal. I don’t know that in light of the GOP’s gambit in Minnesota that that is true. Even if President Obama agreed to 100% of what they asked for, they would up the ante. The House GOP is painted into this corner. The Tea Party folks cannot vote to raise the debt limit at all, under any circumstances, no matter how much Boehner twists their arms because their base will punish them.
Given the fact that doing nothing does more to close the deficit and faster than any of the plans being discussed, there’s not a lot of incentive for House Democrats to do anything either. And there’s no incentive for the Blue Dogs to vote for an agreement that raises the debt limit if progressives sit out the vote.
The kabuki maneuvering is to time whose move it is when the deadline comes. But if the 14th amendment argument is real. Even that deadline might be kabuki. And blowing past the debt limit while refusing to default might be the best move.
There are enough credit default swaps being bought against US default that we might see another bubble burst in the financial markets whatever happens.
I think this has become one of those “guns of August” negotiating situations in which the kabuki overtakes events and causes an event that no one can control. And August 2 will come an go and the US government will still be paying its creditors.
I don’t think we had any option to do other than blow it in the 2008 primary. I didn’t see any strong progressive candidates. We mainly got a candidate who ensured that McCain and Palin didn’t win. Think of a Presidential moose hunting accident.
Agreed but I wish the WH would stop thinking we are stupid.
I heard a worse set of numbers on Olberman’s new show last night. He reported that Obama is ready to accept 94% cuts with 6% revenue. This sounds about right to me since the republican’s originally wanted 85% cuts with 15% revenue. When dems offered 83 / 17 then the republicans changed to 100% cuts.
So, negotiating to a place even better for the republicans than they originally wanted sounds about par for the course for Obama. The same thing happened in the budget negotiations. Republicans originally wanted 30 billion in cuts and Obama negotiated his way to 70 billion. Over twice what the republicans first position was.
It’s so ridiculous that reporters on CNN have started asking admin officials why they don’t just cave in and give republicans 100% of what they want in order to avoid the world Armageddon that will come with defaulting on the debt.
The U.S. electorate, the most naive, ignorant, ill-informed and misinformed electorate of any advanced industrialized country in the world. I’m beginning to think they are deserving of whatever befalls them.
yes, yes, yes, …
Or more accurately, blah, blah, blah, …
I hope people are taking their reality pills and are prepared for it to get worse. There will be no more “stimulus”. And if there is, it will be purely tax cuts and the like to benefit the rich.
Stimulus for the rich and a shaft for the rest.
It will get worse. The economy has no where to go but down. Note, since the two economies, ie. Main vs. Wall Street, are split, one will see a precipitous decline on Main street, but NOT Wall Street.
Wall Street already has the edge. And by significant margins.
1. The cap gains are at 15%. So all they have to do is sit pretty, and just throw money at Wall Street, and they make money and pay less taxes, to start, than any of us.
2. All the tax loopholes and the like ensure that 15% will be much less, and many won’t pay any taxes. Some may even get money back. Look at at BP and GE, to name just two. The rich just need to copy and paste those tax-avoidance tactics. And they already do.
3. Inheritance taxes, both federal and state, are lower than even under Bush. And some states have no inheritance taxes. Wisconsin hasn’t had any since 2009. Talk about “making” money the really old fashioned way – inheriting it.
4. And of course the coup de grace – making money outside of America. Now this is just pure genius. Not only the setup, but also the execution. Off-shore jobs and manufacturing to other countries where workers are paid a few dollars a day. So not only do they make money, they make a boat load by only paying slave wages. No safety issues, no benefits, and absolutely nothing but the few dollars a day. Even if you lose workers, there are many in those countries ready to replace them. Ie. an endless amount of slaves. So who cares if Main street goes down in flames. Their “investments” are safe. In another bloody country. Safe from taxes and any regulations. Completely separate from Main street. Pure evil. But bloody genius.
So please take your reality pills. It’s all downhill. And the descent will just get worse. It only makes sense to prepare for the reality.
“Maybe??????” There’s no doubt whatsoever there is the need for a party that represents the interests of the poor, the working and middle class and minorities of all persuasions and it ain’t the Democrats. If a new party were to be organized the giant sucking sound you’d hear would be liberals/progressives/radicals fleeing the Democratic Party, which has morphed into a right wing of the far right wing Republicans.
Things will be better when “Foreskin” Bowles is named Secretary of the Treasury. Then, he and his crypt keeper friend “Snotty” Simpson can make sure Medicare and Social Security are just welfare programs for only the very poor. The remaining 70% of seniors will rely on HSAs and Wall Street annuities if we are rich, or Medicaid when we go broke from not enough SS to even buy catfood.
Thank you for all the hope and change to “what a miserable life.”
A massive revolution is the only thing that would have any effect.
These people know full well we’ve become too complacent.
Obama is the tipping point for Democracy, it will never exist again unless there is massive revolt.
Unfortunately, Obama and others in Congress will already have done a great deal of damage to social programs before we get a chance to vote them out.
Obama already has with the payroll tax cut. That is the beginning of the end to SS and Medicare.
Agree. I am really mystified about why there are not more protests, marches, rallies. At least making some noise for ‘NO MORE TAX CUTS FOR RICH PEOPLE”. Why isn’t Wall Street in jail? Simple concepts that even the most mentally challenged can understand. Unions need to start making some noise. General Motors became the largest corporation in the world, paying union wages and benefits. Now they build new factories in South Korea and sell to the Chinese. Forget about the American consumers, they are all unemployed and have no money to buy anything.
Absolutely. Why are you the only one who thinks this way?
The U.S. electorate is by and large passive, indifferent, ignorant, distracted and delusional. USA, USA, USA. When the U.S. has sunk to 2nd or even 3rd world status they’ll still be chanting USA, USA, USA. Xenophobic nationalists without a brain. Marionettes to the plutocracy.
He’s hardly the only one. The ones that have been paying attention and can connect the dots have realized this for quite some time.
On the fascist voting machines ?
They own the vote no matter how you vote.
If I were a GOPer I’d vote for Obama in 2012.
Tax hikes are all pain and no gain. We have a deficit this year of $1,650 billion, and you folks are harping on the great need for $30 billion or so in revenue. Big whoop.
The real problem is the unstated desire to spend unlimited amounts of money without paying any of it back. There’s no way we can pay off the debt. There’s no desire to pay for the deficits. There are several ways to default and I have no doubt the left is all for it.
You are so right. We are toast. No one wants to put up a factory here and have so many bathrooms, fire extinguishers, and everything else that creates a safe workplace. And accommodations for handicapped. Fair wages for a fair workload. Pharoah didn’t do any of that when the pyramids were built. And I’ll bet that the top 1-2% have their own spaceships ready to warp drive them to another planet when this one is all used up.
Absolutely. Where could they find a better Republican?
A bleak analysis. Unfortunately, it’s probably accurate.
Let’s face it, the corporations have decided that they just don’t need the American middle class any longer and are quite prepared to do away with it, lip service notwithstanding. And the political classes, knowing what side their bread is buttered on, are quite prepared to assist them.
Who will start a new party?
The unions?
It’s pretty much a moot point at this time already.
Obama has agreed to massive spending cuts already and zilch for actually raising revenue.
Fifteen percent is bupkiss.
There is absolutely no way that corporations are going to start paying taxes and raising them on the already obscenely rich will not even begin to cover the gap.
Might as well lay back and get ready for it, the America we grew up in has been laying in a ditch with a shiv in her back for a long time. Stone cold dead.
The new America Inc. is what we have been living in for a long time now.
This is just the end game playing out before our very eyes.
hmm, not a very strong base these days, but maybe.
There are no protests, rallies, etc. Well there are, but there is no news coverage unless it’s a few dozen Teabaggers. So from the perspective of the politicians who might be subject to pressure, it doesn’t exist.
Revolutions are risky things. In a United States of 200 million firearms in private hands, extremely risky in that progressives until recently have been for gun control (not making a policy point, just pointing out the reality). And the firepower of the United State military and police forces has increased exponentially since the 1960s, and we know how that revolution turned out. Most folks look those realities and say the risk/reward calculations make no sense, especially since the powers-that-be have succeeded in dividing folks into “red-state” and “blue-state” mentalities, with the rest just keeping their heads down.
But ever since 1848, revolutions have seemed so romantic and exciting. Well, there are too many folks who don’t want excitement to have a revolution in the current political environment.
Another idea would be a LARGE bloc of pledged votes and let the candidates tell us what they will do to win them.
You really think a shut down will close the deficit? If so, then the thugs will call for it, no doubt. But the unemployment will mean no revenue and the deficit could get worse. I hadn’t heard the idea before.
And how exactly would reconciliation help it pass in the House?
Well, we need to increase the rallies as the election gets nearer. We need to put some pressure on the politicians to listen to us.
As a side note, you might be interested in this post:
14 Propaganda Techniques Fox “News” Uses to Brainwash Americans
“We” need to increase our numbers. To a size that the media cannot ignore.
One of the things that has happened to the momentum out of Madison is that it has been almost totally diverted into the (necessary) recall elections.
If there are rallies against politicians, Republicans should not be exempt from our ire. Paul Ryan, for example, should not get a pass just because he’s a Republican; his defeat in 2012 would be a very helpful thing.
And it is the state legislators and members of Congress who are critical at this point. Legislative action can change the tone of executive action. Progressives have been very derelict in building a base level of local and state officials that can get agendas done at local and state levels, transform the political environment, and provide a farm team for higher office.
There has to be a comprehensive progressive strategy that involves street action, electoral activity in one or more parties. A progressive movement to take over the Republican Party would not be a waste of time. There are lots of grassroots Republicans who think that the national party has gone over the edge. And any electoral activity for a third party should focus on the local and state level and not be diverted by chasing after a presidential illusion.
Progressives need to start acting tactically as if they think the grassroots really matter. Fixation on Obama or the national Democrats is a distraction until that job gets done.
Excellent link. Instead of complaining, we should be deconstructing and creating our own responses. I now have some more tools to help disenthrall some of my Fox-addicted friends. Yes, it can be done.
That’s right and what I’m saying is that if you can’t do anything else, and this will not cost you one cent, STOP VOTING FOR IT!! They can’t win if no one votes for them so STOP VOTING FOR THEM. Nothing, is going to change until that happens.
I think we need some bumper stickers to communicate with them:
STOP VOTING FOR IT!!
I actually think they may understand this message.
That’s a great point. I know plenty of Republicans who are just as fed up as I am and we agree on an amazing number of points. They don’t want the wars. They’re willing to increase some taxes. They know their own party has gone crazy and they can’t understand why the Democratic Party is so fecklessly worthless.
most economists must have slept through the late ’90s
If Mr. Obama were a Democrat, he would be regarded as woefully incompetent at Managing Government 101. As it is, he’s regarded as getting the job done. The public ought to inquire more about whose job he’s getting done, why, and what it’s costing them.
Every development is consistent with the hypothesis that Obama is working for the other side. He wants a $4T per decade reduction in the deficit, which he could have had simply by not extending the Bush tax cuts. Now, he’ll get it through a mixture that is 15% revenue increases and 85% spending cuts, mostly cuts to social services.
But spending cuts are much harder on the GDP than tax increases by a ratio of about five to one: curtailing the Bush tax cuts would have diminished the GDP by about 30 cents per dollar of deficit reduction, while cuts to social services dminish the GDP by about $1.50 per dollar of deficit reduction.
His excuse for doing this is that he has not alternative. “Those GOP devils have taken the world economy hostage and won’t agree to anything reasonable.”
But in fact he does have alternatives:
* the 14th Ammendment option
* prioritization of payments (GOP supporters get paid last)
* Reverse QE2, where the Fed sells the debt that they’ve accumulated and gives the profits to the Treasury.
* The Fed pays off $2T of the national debt held by the Fed with a freshly minted $2T coin — details here.
Laura D’Andrea Tyson is just another corrupt academic economist who gets paid by Wall Street and a telecom monopoly:
http://people.forbes.com/profile/laura-d-andrea-tyson/8139
http://www.morganstanley.com/about/press/articles/95c04e48-dfef-11df-8691-77293da39e2e.html
Laura D’Andrea Tyson’s prescriptions for the economy should be ignored and dismissed as economic quackery in light of her major conflicts-of-interest.
“I can’t stop them but I am not going to vote [f]or them.”
Welcome to the war. I registered Green in ’96.
Why isn’t anybody talking about cutting the size of government?
Government is too large, so cut Commerce, Labor and Education. Don’t need them. Cut the wars; don’t need them. Reduce State; we don’t need 8,000 people in the Baghdad embassy. Reduce Defense; we don’t need eleven nuclear carrier fleets, tank battalions and strategic bombers. Same with foreign aid and intelligence. Cut and reduce. That’s a start.
Make some sensible cuts in the huge federal government and there would be no shortage of Republican support — and thereby lies bargaining power on taxes.
Won’t be me, sorry to say.
I got my “fair share of abuse” in the 60s. My spirit is still willing, but my body isn’t.
Obama himself is a gift to Republicans.
The “Debt Limit Deal” is not a victory for Republicans.
Rather, the entire Obama administration, top to bottom and from Day 1, has been a victory for Republicans.
Yeah, they don’t need a Labor Department, they need a Lobby Department to serve their real constitutents. What’s the Labor Department do now anyway? Is that the department in charge of cutting pensions?
Because the Republicans are not interested in cutting government, just the parts of the government that benefit Democratic constituencies. And the parts that impede the freedom to plunder of Republican constituencies.
But you have some interesting ideas there. If folks are going to make it painful, why don’t they go whole hog and balance the budget in one year. Step one: Reduce Congressional pay to be indexed 1:1 to the median family income. There’s a half billion in savings right there.
Of course you’re correct. My question is, what happens when there is no functioning (product buying) middle class world wide? Do we then live in a permanent gangster culture, in which the rich are protected by national armies and the rest of us pay for the privilege of just living? A thriving business might be selling security grates for windows (made in India of course, like those India-made manhole covers you see on your walks). And voting the Bass’s out is impossible now; we no longer own the nation, it’s electoral process, the candidates, the parties, or the communications infrastructure (you might say, “Except for the Internet”, but they’re working on that “problem”). “Of”, “by”, and “for” seems quaint now, when applied to people. Not so quaint when applied to the elites.
Yes, but the real mystery is why Democrats are working so hard to cut the parts of government that benefit Democratic constituencies. Maybe the Democratic constituencies should become Republican constituencies since the Republican Party seems to be the only party interested in serving its constituents.
It wouldn’t now but when the Dems had a majority in the House they could have already got this done. The fact that they didn’t tells me Obama wanted a debt ceiling fight. My bad.
As the debt ceiling brouhaha rages on,
How America just lost 1 million green(ish) jobs to Europe
LINK.
You’ve got to be kidding. Giving Obama a dime sends exactly the wrong message. To give them some spunk, the money must NOT be given. We need to focus on getting back the House and making the next president one and done. This one is a disaster and not worthly of the support it was given. I truly regret my donations last time and now the Repugs can say we tried it your way and it didn’t work. But as we all know, Progressive ideals never had a chance and were sold out before talks even began.
There is actually more hope for change among the Republicans. They have a strong right wing, but not insane right wing, element among them, which at this point is to the left of Obama. If this element prevails (and it may, under Mitt Romney), it will be worth voting for as a means of pressuring the Democrats to at least go back to what they were in, say, 1990. If the election is between Obama and a right wing, but not crazy right wing, Republican such as Romney, I believe that a Republican vote is at this point the most rational. The main counter-argument, of course, is that a Republican president will appoint another conservative Supreme Court justice. It’s a strong argument (and very sad that this is now the only reason for voting Democratic on a national level) but to my mind still not decisive, given the catastrophe that the Obama/tea party coalition is bringing us.
Good luck with using Martyrdom as an election selling point. Everyone likes winners, not whiners, and collaborators.
Excellent analysis and even with the Supreme Court, it’s likely that any justice Obama appoints is going to be more conservative than a justice like Ginsberg. We might hold our own on social issues but do you think he’d appoint a labor friendly judge? HA!
Nope, the simple cheap way to deal with this is to just stop voting for the Reagancrats. If we can’t defeat them in the primary or in the general we can at least make it more costly for them to win and money is the only thing that gets their attention.
The Republican right has always understood this. You have to make it costly for them to ignore you.
If the left can do nothing else in 2012, it can stay home. It would be useful to put up a lawn sign saying “Stop Voting for It” or something else indicating that the refusal to vote for either party is a proactive choice but I don’t know what else we can do in the absence of a serious person running as a 3rd Party candidate. I don’t believe in running clowns because that detracts from the seriousness of the problem.
This must be why the Democratic Party needs to freeze the wages and cut the pensions of federal employees and go along with demonizing, slashing benefits and firing hundreds of thousands of teachers and other public employees across the land. This must be why Medicaid must be slashed, Medicare must cut, Social Security must be undermined. This must be why Obama gives speeches on tightening our belts. We must all tighten our belts for them:
“The final figures show that the median pay for top executives at 200 big companies last year was $10.8 million. That works out to a 23 percent gain from 2009.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/business/03pay.html?_r=1&hp
OBAMA KNOWS HE’S LOSING IN 2012
What arrogance! They aren’t even attempting to hide it.
Wall Street looks to fill Treasury Secretary post after potential Geithner exit
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This assumes that Republicans can still get the deal Obama was offering if they’re willing to compromise. It’s not up to Obama; it’s up to Democrats in the House and the Senate (and quite a lot of them, assuming the Republicans don’t want to supply a large majority of the votes.
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With Obama we have a coward, with a capital C, as President.
We are in situation very similar to that of the (defunct) Soviet Union. They could vote for the Party slate or they could vote “nyet”, which a small percentage of voters did. We really don’t have alternatives on the Federal level to the Corporatist candidates.
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