The other staggering moment from the President’s Twitter townhall came when he was actually asked a question about housing, which sets the townhall apart from practically every White House briefing over the past two years. Obama probably has a sense that the housing market is an undercovered topic, and nobody really understands the extent of the damage perpetrated by the mortgage industry. So he launched into his set remarks about how the Administration has a variety of programs to help unlucky or underwater homeowners, and that while they have been successful, they haven’t been enough. He actually specifically said that principal reductions need to be used as a means to keep people in their homes. The Administration recently started a principal reduction program called the Principal Reduction Alternative (PRA), which early in its launch has reduced principal for almost 5,000 borrowers on average by $69,000. Obviously this is miniscule compared to the problem, though it’s in its early stages. I had a sense that this feint toward principal reductions was designed to preface the imminent settlement between banks, state and federal regulators over foreclosure fraud, which now includes principal reduction again, and has a new topline number of $60 billion (I guess the $8.5 billion BofA settlement with investors made a sector-wide $20-$25 billion settlement sound puny).
But then there were two amazing comments. The President said, and I’ll have to get the transcript for an exact quote, that his foreclosure relief program was able to create “millions” of loan modifications. This is untrue. But he made a very specific point. He said that he was including both modifications through HAMP and private modifications that may otherwise not have been made.
It’s a real stretch, but not an unusual argument from the defenders of HAMP. We know the real stats; Treasury just released them. There have been 731,000 permanent modifications started, with 633,000 still active. This falls well short of “millions.” But the Administration likes to say that HAMP created a standardized system for loan modifications and allowed the industry to offer private mods in a more efficient manner. It’s difficult to get good statistics on private loan modifications. But if there were a serious jump in loan mods from before HAMP and after HAMP, it’s likely to be more attributable to the fact that there are more underwater borrowers than anything else. Given the churn of foreclosures and the way in which servicers have an incentive to foreclose rather than modify, it’s highly unlikely that “millions” of borrowers got any kind of loan modification, let alone that HAMP had something to do with those private mods. This is just bad PR spin.
Obama said one other significant, interesting thing about housing. He said that, in response to a follow-up question, “sorting through who owns what in the housing market is tough,” and that everyone knows that Wall Street sliced and diced these mortgages and did not do a good job with documentation. Actually, I don’t think everyone knows that unless they’ve paid pretty close attention. But it’s a remarkable thing for the President to be saying. He’s buttressing the core complaints of the foreclosure fraud community! Now, it was an aside, it was an example of how difficult it has been to find a solution that keeps people in their homes, but the implications of the remark are pretty serious. The President is coming very close to admitting that nobody knows who owns what in the largest market in the world, the US residential housing market. Shouldn’t this headline emblazon the top of every newspaper in America tomorrow?
Anyway, just by getting the President to actually talk about housing, the Twitter townhall provided a valuable service.
UPDATE: I’m going to put the full text of Obama’s remarks on the flip. Boldface mine.
MR. DORSEY: Mr. President, 6 percent of our questions are coming in about housing, which you can see in the graph behind me. And this one in particular has to do with personal debt and housing: “How will admin work to help underwater homeowners who aren’t behind in payments but are trapped in homes they can’t sell?” From Robin.
THE PRESIDENT: This is a great question. And remember, I mentioned one of our biggest challenges during the course of the last two and a half years has been dealing with a huge burst of the housing bubble.
What’s happened is a lot of folks are underwater, meaning their home values went down so steeply and so rapidly that now their mortgage, the amount they owe, is a lot more than the assessed worth of their home. And that obviously burdens a lot of folks. It means if they’re selling, they’ve got to sell at a massive loss that they can’t afford. It means that they don’t feel like they have any assets because the single biggest asset of most Americans is their home.
So what we’ve been trying to do is to work with the issuers of the mortgages, the banks or the service companies, to convince them to work with homeowners who are paying, trying to do the right thing, trying to stay in their homes, to see if they can modify the loans so that their payments are lower, and in some cases, maybe even modify their principal, so that they don’t feel burdened by these huge debts and feel tempted to walk away from homes that actually they love and where they’re raising their families.
We’ve made some progress. We have, through the programs that we set up here, have probably seen several million home modifications either directly because we had control of the loan process, or because the private sector followed suit. But it’s not enough. And so we’re going back to the drawing board, talking to banks, try to put some pressure on them to work with people who have mortgages to see if we can make further adjustments, modify loans more quickly, and also see if there may be circumstances where reducing principal is appropriate [...]
MR. DORSEY: So we have a follow-up question to your answer about homeowners being underwater. And this one came in under 10 minutes ago from Shnaps: “Is free-market an option? Obama on homeowners underwater: have made some progress, but plus needed looking at options.”
THE PRESIDENT: Well, when Shnaps — (laughter) — when Shnaps talks about free market options, I mean, keep in mind that most of this is going to be a function of the market slowly improving because people start having more confidence in the economy; more people decide, you know what, the housing market has kind of bottomed out, now is the time to buy. They start buying. That starts slowly lifting up prices, and you get a virtuous cycle going on.
So a lot of this is going to be determined by how well the overall economy does: Do people feel more confident about jobs? Do they feel more confident that they’re going to be able to make their mortgage? And given the size of the housing market, no federal program is going to be able to solve the housing problem. Most of this is going to be free market.
The one thing that we can do it make sure that for homeowners who have been responsible, didn’t buy more house than they could afford, had some tough luck because they happened to buy at the top of the market, can afford to continue to pay for that house, can afford their current mortgage, but need some relief, given the drop in value — that we try to match them up with bankers so that each side ends up winning. The banker says, you know, I’m going to be better off than if this house is foreclosed upon and I have to sell it at a fire sale. The mortgage owner is able to stay in their home, but still pay what’s owed.
And I think that that kind of adjustment and negotiation process is tough. It’s difficult partly because a lot of banks these days don’t hold mortgages. They were all sold to Wall Street and were sliced and diced in these complex financial transactions. So sorting through who owns what can be very complicated. And as you know, some of the banks didn’t do a very good job on filing some of their papers on these foreclosure actions, and so there’s been litigation around that.
But the bottom line is we should be able to make some progress on helping some people, understanding that some folks just bought more home than they could afford and probably they’re going to be better off renting.





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You’re right that just talking about housing is a positive step.
But his bottom line, “We should be able to make some progress to help some people,” is pretty weak tea.
I asked a question about why Fannie Mae is giving further incentives to bank servicers to SPEED UP foreclosures going forward (Memo from June 6th 2011 Fannie Mae’s website). The banks are breaking the laws. They go unpunished, unrepentant. Paying them higher fees to foreclose within specified time lines seems like rewarding failed HAMP program participants. The time lines and tax payer dollars encourage even more outrageous fraudulent behavior and continue to embolden their confidence in doing so. Seven million people have been foreclosed on in the last 5 years. Mostly based on fraudulent documentation relied upon by judges and sheriff departments nationally to remove people from their homes. Fannie — a failed GSE, giving incentives to speed up an already fraudulent process. Hmmm….What is it called when you do the same thing over and over and expect different results? Oh that’s right, insanity. Is this the only way to clear the housing shadow supply, get the economy moving and get re elected in 2012? I think it is a mis informed strategy that will bring unintended consequences and continued collateral damage (ie families devastated by foreclosure fraud). This Twitter Town Hall comes on a day when it has been revealed that Goldman Sachs had a secret $15 billion dollar loan and the big six banks are “close” to a settlement with the AG investigation. Twenty billion is being bandied about….It does not come close to de leveraging a 14 trillion dollar housing market. Not even a deck chair off the Queen Mary. QE3 in the offing…probably behind the scenes. The Twitter Hall was innovative…but not enough. Kudos for innovation, “Meh” for impact. A lot of whitewashing still the norm. Disappointed in Obama responses to housing foreclosure fraud.
27% of mortgages are underwater!!! Greater than 1 in 4.
And this is capitalism?
This is a system we want?
This is how Americans will prosper?
And the answer? … Give the fraudulent banks taxpayer money to “write-down” the principal?
Wow! This is insane. Giving the thieves and liars more taxpayer money??? QE?, what number are we on, and more <1% loans, BUT NEVER TO TAXPAYERS/REGULAR PEOPLE, makes sense? In what universe?
I won't even go into the massive and rampant foreclosure fraud.
They really do own the place. And O.
In the universe where they are the beneficiaries and we are not.
To the original point: Obama claims credit for “millions” of home loan modifications whether they were made under HAMP or not. If he didn’t offer to say that those “voluntary” modifications were the LEAST banks could have done, he didn’t say enough.
Banking must be reliable, honest, and fair. Its fundamental to capitalism. Banks lost their minds and failed not just their fundamental purpose, but to bankruptcy. America’s banks are as out of control as the mob that busted heads here in the city on the fourth of July. Worse: the banks busted heads first.
Obama needs to be calling banks for the thugs that they are. Less than that…oh, who cares? Obama’s a clueless putz. Day he says what needs to be said’s the day hell freezes over. (I’ll be hanging around, of course, waiting to see if it happens.)
We just had an eCAHN sighting, Peg…! ;-)
A question on a technical aspect of the main topic: Is not the other big hang-up(1) regarding the settlement of many mortgages by foreclosure or modification that the liens or notes (help appreciated) were improperly assigned through the chain of possession from the originator to whatever trust they wound up in that the tranches were supposed to be paid from? And, improperly assigned in a way that cannot be legally fixed in retrospect, though that is what the shop-signers were trying to do.
We might need someone of Yves Smith’s level of knowledge about this stuff to say whether the tranching could have been done by some legal means, but in any case it was not so done in general, and that, not tranching as such, which came after the invalidating lapses, is why the questions of who holds what rights is so cloudy.
Am I in the ball park?
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(1) The first bhu of course is the banking investment community’s collective refusal to take their due burden of losses, which they’d have to do under a mass recognition program.
(2) Niagara Falls equivalency watch: “sliced and diced.” I’ve been sitting on this for at least 2 years.
eCAHN was sighted at Caturday, too.
EDIT to add: I fully agree with her reasons for taking a break from FDL for awhile, although I am personally still very active. I share some of her sentiments.
*heh* Maybe I should check out SD’s thread more often…! ;-)
WooHoo!
I don’t blame her, I just miss her…! *g*
that was bound to happen,in our consumerist society
she has been right all along
In spite of that, I still miss her…! ;-)
Someone enlighten a 60+ year old man. A family bought a house, maybe with help from the “American Dream Downpayment Act.” The banks made money. The mortgage got bundled. Wall St. made money. People got greedy. They made loans with greater risk, and bundled them with good loans to hide them.
The bubble burst. The sh#t hit the fan.
The ONLY people who performed “due diligence” were the home buyers.
And, the plan is to leave THEM holding the bag?
We bail out the banks and hedge funds, at the expense of the homeowners?
If ANYONE can justify that, BRING IT!
ooh, he took housing questions! what a guy!
here’s my shorter version:
- hey handsome puke kingy commander in chief, can you do something about this ongoing housing mass gang rape thing, aside from making pizza runs for the perps?
- the pizza runs are an important gesture to show that people on all sides can work together on this problem. look, mistakes were made. everyone must give up something. we’re working hard at finessing this colossal thieving complex of boundless bullshit. but we know we must do better. so we’ll work harder.
- is the point of all this, sir, that you personally will never experience want of any sort throughout the rest of your natural life?
- yes, that is the plan.
It’s refreshing to see many of the Local Registrars, are starting to hammer the TBF’s claims of ‘Clear Chain of Custody of Title’ through the misbegotten, MERS cuisinart ‘Slice’nDicer’…! We need a lot more of the counties to independently investigate the title chains and the taxes evaded…! 8-(
It would have been nice if Obama had mention that in return for screwing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, the GOP had agreed to $150 billion of tax loophole closing – much of which was about to close automatically at the end of the year – and of course the GOP expect part of the $150 billion to be used to cut taxes via an expanded research tax credit. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/house-republican-leader-flexible-in-deficit-talks/
Obama drives a hard bargain given his fear of using 14th Amendment to the Constitution to tell the GOP to pound sand.
Meanwhile the 2012 noise is starting as we are told of the millions of homes will principal reduction because of Obama. Yep – the Democratic Party base has no place to go and must vote for Obama – and with results like the above – there is no reason to stay home – right? /s
Obama is a e-fing liar.
But he’s Our e-fing liar. With no one willing to challenge him, he’s the best candidate we’ve got … kind of makes one feel warm and fuzzy.
You forgot the snark tag right?