Because we have a governing elite that doesn’t understand basic economic theory, the horrific jobs report will probably not change the mindset of the next 72 hours, which is to cement a deal to massively reduce the deficit, mostly through cutting spending. The White House has convinced themselves that this would increase confidence from the business community and lead to hiring. In fact, the President is so convinced this is a good idea that he, not the Republicans, is using the debt limit as a hostage. He threatened to veto any solution that didn’t equal at least $2 trillion-plus in deficit reduction.
In his meeting with congressional leaders today, President Obama said he would veto any deficit reduction bill that doesn’t raise the debt ceiling until after the November 2012 election, sources tell ABC News.
The president argued that this was a time to think big, sources said, and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, agreed. Though how to get there is another matter.
Obama presented three solutions to Congressional leaders yesterday, and then said he’d veto one of them. The other two were a medium-term solution of $2 trillion, along the lines of the Biden talks, and a “think big” solution of $4 trillion. There’s no reason that the increase in the debt limit has to be tied to deficit reduction – you can hardly think of an example of that from the past – but that was the clear message from the President. “Think big,” he told the assembled. And most of the Congressional leaders agreed with him; the only dissenters, apparently, were Eric Cantor and Jon Kyl, who worked on the medium-sized solution in the Biden talks.
There’s been no real difference in the solutions floated. You have major cuts in discretionary spending, including defense, which could get whacked up to $700 billion; a change in the COLA calculator by moving to chained CPI, which acts as both a benefit cut to Social Security and a regressive tax increase (more on that later); “an end to Medicare’s status as a program available in full to all Americans, regardless of income,” as Paul Krugman puts it, referring to means testing (although Medicare is actually means-tested a bit already); cuts to mandatory spending like Ag subsidies; an overhaul of the corporate tax code (or at least a promise to do so); and the elimination of tax expenditures, possibly offset with a permanent patch to the alternative minimum tax.
Any one of those possibilities would face formidable political opposition, but White House aides and some congressional staff believe the ideas might fare better as a package than any would individually. Already, however, as word of some of the options spread around Washington, Obama was coming under fire from congressional Democrats and interest groups who feared he was likely to agree to too many cuts and from Republicans insisting they could not support any new tax revenues.
The talks are being pushed forward by the prospect that the federal government will soon run out of authority to borrow money. If Congress does not raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2, Treasury Department officials say, the government would no longer be able to pay all of its bills, raising the prospect of a default for the first time in U.S. history. Obama, other officials and many experts warn that would cause economic chaos.
This is exactly the right way to put it. Congress is being pushed into a proposal nobody very much likes by the President, who is using the debt limit to get this done. That’s really the dynamic.
And we’re now hearing that the tax changes, the “sweetener” for Democrats to sign onto the deal, may be theoretical.
Symbolic gestures and agreements in principle, but not substantive reforms, are likely to be the main tax policy result of urgent talks about raising the U.S. debt ceiling.
President Ronald Reagan and congressional Democrats took two years to get the last comprehensive tax reform to the finish line in 1986.
“We haven’t even started the car yet, let alone get it out of the garage,” said a top congressional aide on the tax reform project, which most aides and analysts expect will have to wait until late 2012 and into 2013, after presidential and congressional elections in November next year.
The Obama administration is drafting a proposal for tax code changes expected to be released later this year.
A business lobbyist said that a debt-ceiling deal might sketch out “broad parameters” for tax cuts, with details to be filled in later by tax-writing committees of Congress.
In other words, cut $3 trillion in spending now, including to cherished safety net programs, in exchange for… a promise of getting to tax reform later. And to let the committees sort that out.
I don’t know that you could try to come up with a worse deal from the liberal perspective.
Now I do agree with Nate Silver that liberal Democrats have some leverage in this fight. There are a non-trivial number of Republicans who won’t vote for any increase in the debt limit whatsoever, so Democratic votes will need to be added to the total for this to pass the House. Of course, the President will be whipping the vote hard as well. Nancy Pelosi has a private meeting with the President today, showing that Obama knows exactly how he’ll have to win this in the House. Going back to Krugman for this one:
Watching Mr. Obama and listening to his recent statements, it’s hard not to get the impression that he is now turning for advice to people who really believe that the deficit, not unemployment, is the top issue facing America right now, and who also believe that the great bulk of deficit reduction should come from spending cuts. It’s worth noting that even Republicans weren’t suggesting cuts to Social Security; this is something Mr. Obama and those he listens to apparently want for its own sake.
Which raises the big question: If a debt deal does emerge, and it overwhelmingly reflects conservative priorities and ideology, should Democrats in Congress vote for it?
Mr. Obama’s people will no doubt argue that their fellow party members should trust him, that whatever deal emerges was the best he could get. But it’s hard to see why a president who has gone out of his way to echo Republican rhetoric and endorse false conservative views deserves that kind of trust.
Barack Obama will only have one more re-election in his life. The rest of the Democrats have their futures to think about. At least you would hope.





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Completely delusional. Shades of someone-I’m-not-allowed-to-name in his bunker,
ordering troop movements of armies that no longer exist.
Where is the $2 Trillion threat?
I don’t understand how the timing of the next debt ceiling vote is linked to the amount of the separate deficit cuts they are discussing?
This is a desperate act by a PRESIDENT that knows the PARTY is over!
Every Dem Senator and Every House Dem just needs to ask this simple question Can a black man cut social security, medicare, medicade and get re-elected? No
Everyday the cost of primarying OBAMA falls
the 18 million pound GORRILLA call the ECONOMY is going TO WIN, it always DOES
How many people are going to give money to a black candidate that fights to kill Social Security? not many “this is not even a Dem or GOP question”
How many Dems in 2012, want OBAMA help? NONE LOL
Remember OBAMA just sent more JOBS abroad this WEEK!
Goldman Sach thought a black man could kill Social Security? WOW LMAO
few Dems are going to sit back and watch OBAMA destroy the Party of FDR
this explains why WALL STREET FAILED
Yes! today the Black Political Caucus just threw Obama under the BUS
Un-freaking-believable.
I hate Obama and what he is doing to our country.
i’m not so sure about that…..
here’s james k. galbraith, from a talk he gave in Jan on “The Implications of Rising Resource Costs for Economic Systems”
“The rest of the Democrats have their futures to think about.”
These are already very wealhy people. There is always a future as paid consultant, lobbyist, think tanks, and a variety of bullshit do-nothing “work”. They’ll be just fine.
“Symbolic gestures….about raising the US debt ceiling”.
I got a “symbolic gesture” right here.
Got to mow yard. Hopefully I won’t have a heat stroke. The “grand bargainer” promised me healthcare. We know how that worked out.
you mean like dodd leaving the senate to head the MPAA?
(i know there are many examples far worse than this one, it’s just that this is one is personally particularly galling).
Galbraith hits home with this one. Obama and his kind are waging class war, and the effects produced by this war include a generally lower standard of living and the expansion of a surplus population that lacks a functional place in American society. Soon, many white Americans will know what it means to be a black American. They’ll know because their place in the grand scheme of things will be functionally equivalent to the place occupied by most black Americans since the end of Jim Crow. They’ll lack jobs and hope.
and not just in the usa (my bold):
it’s not linked in any real way, except by negotiators.
“once you shift a program from universal coverage to means testing, it’s increasingly vulnerable to deeper means testing until it eventually becomes a poverty program which everyone wants to get rid of.”
A progressive deductible is not a means test – plus the 1965 Medicare – Part A – Hospital – has no such progressive deductible.
Meanwhile a president that runs from the use of the 14th amendment, and then acts tough and says he will veto if less that a $2 trillion cut – says he will veto a debt limit that he says will cause a disaster if not passed – is crazy and needs to be impeached. But that would be racist, won’t it – same reason he can not be primaried.
The people who mostly benefit from neoliberal policies want to secure their place in the new scheme of things. The “lesser people around the world” will just need to suck it up. Of course, most of the “lesser people around the world” already suck it up. They have no choice that or suicide or improbable rebellion.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Obama has a serious credibility problem.
“The rest of the Democrats have their futures to think about.”
Options, too. They’re worried about the size of their portfolios.
I completely agree. Have these dumbfucks never heard of John Maynard Keynes?
His economic advisors are idiots. At this rate unemployment will be 10% in 2012. You can’t cut trillions and not expect it to hit the federal number of jobs. The private companies barely have managed to keep up with employment to counter the massive jobs dump on state levels.(which of course seems to be baffling some of the economists surprised at 18,000 jobs created.)
(banging head on desk at the idiocy of this administration)
GOP just made it clear NO NEW TAXES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/jobs-report-republicans-taxes-debt-ceiling_n_893195.html
Boehner just jump ship on OBAMA LOL
Obama just committed political suicide cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicade with no new TAXES? yeah that is winner LOL
Nancy Pelosi will probably follow Boehner
Obama’s re-election campaign just turned up as a follower of my Twitter account for a book I’ll be publishing next year (pbj06, if anyone is interested.)
I sent a message back, “Please don’t follow me. Obama is a spineless, unprincipled sellout.”
Ya think I was too subtle?
Wow Obama got a spine. Astounding!!!! To bad the spine is on loan from the Teabaggers!
Well I knew that the ‘shellacking’ would have devestating consequences.
And how will cutting taxes provide jobs? They were cut 10 years ago, and the cut continued in December.
Where are the jobs?
Supply side on steroids, and no discussion whatsoever of demand. The regressive nature of their proposals shows they care nothing about demand, jobs, and employment. It’s all about me!
O is going to take $500 Million of his $1 Billion re-election funds and ride off into the sunset with his middle finger raise. Not a bad severance package.
Oh yes, whip me some more! (With those campaign donations).
Obama just doesn’t get it. The Congress and the executive branch could gut the laws and regulations regarding labor, environment, and taxation for corporations, and the “multi-national” corporations will still not hire in America. They don’t have to. The don’t want to. The “independent” American spirit in so many workers is a fearful thing to them. Only good little cyborgs will work, or people so afraid for their jobs that they’ll do anything to keep them, and accept anything being done to them in order to keep them, too.
Our nation is crumbling, and it can trace it’s roots back to Ronald Reagan. I’ll give RM Nixon a pass, and trust me, I started my political career working hard against Nixon in ’72, so that’s quite a statement.
All the money grubbers want big money fast, but a strong and healthy economy grows slowly and steadily, and weak limbs are pruned. Instead, we get the all risk all the time mentality where those who make the decisions never really suffer when things go bad, and act like everything out there is fine for everyone.
As for Obama, he’s abandoning huge amounts of people in a wholesale manner. Those over 50 who have been “downsized”, or “rightsized” or whatever business PC term a person wants to use have been totally blown off. It will continue to provide a source for more and more bank repo housing as many of these people lose their homes they are within a decade of paying for as their former middle class income gets replaced by a substenance level job or no income at all, as they are “undesireable” in today’s workforce. For many, the retirement savings they accumulated may have to go to survival spending long before they reach retirement age. And Obama either doesn’t get it, or just doesn’t care.
I honestly believe that Obama is now operating as a megalomaniac. He knows his chances for reelection get smaller by the day (jobs report) so he is now focusing on “his” chance to make something out of his pathetic term. He sees deficit reduction as his shot at the history books. I maybe wrong, but someone please explain to me his double down on cutting the deficit in the economic environment we are now in.
And the WIN goes to Boehner! And the crowd goes crazy!
Probably true. This is a great opportunity to do something special and better position the country for our children. Party affiliation be damned.
I’ll try (to whip) – After the American people told their President to drink more ‘Tea’ (if you know what I mean) – he is not only ‘drinking’ it – he also serves it in amazing portions!
Welcome to third world America
Straight out of Blazing Saddles, when Clevon Little holds himself hostage against the racist townspeople after he’s introduced as their new sheriff…
At this point I have to ask myself, can any batshit crazy the R’s dredge up be any worse than Big Zero? I almost wish the Mayans were right, 2012 can’t get here fast enough.
“THINK BIG”
I dont see any BIG thinking going on.
To me something big would be to put billions into building a levee system so next year 1/4 of the country isnt underwater again.
So, let’s see here …. he wants to put off hashing out the tax increases … if they are any … until after the election, giving the republicans a nice platform to run on in 2012: we won’t increase taxes while a vote for the democrats and their presidential candidate will lead to tax increases.
He wants out … he would love to be primaried … and he doesn’t give a fuck about how many folks he brings down to do it.
Z
and what’s wrong with that – The other day somebody posted that our lifestyle is unsustainable -(we wrecked the planet if you remember) – and a America with no waistful consumption no cars and no anything would probably save the world – And I’m into ‘saving the world’ -(it’s an old lefty dream) and perhaps Obama will do us this favor!
Let’s get ready to rumble …
Let the kabuki ensue.
Oh wait worst kabuki ever. These folks don’t even try anymore. “One side” says, gut the poor, elderly, the weakest and most defenseless. “The other” side says I see yours and raise you trillions more to gut even more of the weakest and defenseless.
This isn’t kabuki anymore. This is everyone reading of the same script, and proud of it.
Go to Hell Obama, it’s where you belong.
He knows less than jack shit about economics. This proves it.
Both parties in Washington are like drunken sailor who had spent all the money on shore leave (illegal wars) and now they find out they’ve run out of money.
Unlike the cowardice and corrupt politicians, the sailors would not rob Grandma’s & Grandpa’s social security.
and what happened with the old Hippie dream? Remember in the seventies everybody was into cutting down! Hell we don’t need no f… money – We don’t need no cars! We don’t need no houses! Let’s show them that we can even save more than they ever could dream about! 2 Trillion is not enough. We need to cut 20 Trillion to change this country into my kind of a Paradise.
(and my dad would grow his hair again and would live again from ‘love’ and all the vegetables which grow in our garden!)
Isn’t there a petition that can be signed? A telephone call to be made?
Yes. A few explatives would have clarified your point.
He’s trying to create a Hell in the U.S. exclusively for the working and middle class.
Bingo
and instead we have all these ‘capitalists’ -(and dont’ya know in America everybody is a ‘capitalist’) – scream bloddy murder because the Oberhippie wants them to live like Hippie’s again and somehow they have a problem with that.
(who could have thuncked it?)
OH I think Obama knows a LOT about economics. I won’t give Obama a “pass” by saying Obama knows nothing. Obama’s KNOWS fully well that this way lies the decimation of our nation as one where the middle class can exist. Obama is just making it easier and easier for wages to be tromped down to the very bottom, so that Team USA enters the *final stages* of becoming a third world nation (we’re already at least half way there).
Then Obama can provide *cover* for the ReTHUGlicans, who’ll crow: not OUR fault that Team USA is a third world country. Hey, TeaTARDS, go *blame* it all on that Kenyan MARXIST no-birf-sirteefikat BLACK Guy… it’s ALL HIS fault, and don’t fergit ta vote for me, cuz I’d be so much fun to have a BEER with…
And so: on it goes… ad nauseum.
I don’t think this has anything to do with economics. :)
Seems like a terribly important point. We don’t matter to them.
What they do understand is disaster capitalism and this President is their mascot.
Soon as she gets off her knees.
Bipartisan seems to mean working for the party and principles opposite of that on which you ran.
Yes. I owes ya a drink. Whaddaya having?
I see wages being driven down all around me, as I type this (not kidding). Obama is NOT stupid, and he knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. I will not give Obama a “pass” by saying he’s dumb or doesn’t “get it.” OH he gets it very very well, and everything Obama is doing has been very well thought through and PLANNED.
and the ‘middle clas is the worst! Isn’t the middle class the class who clutches to their pearls in the most obscen way like voting for all these Tebaggers because they are afraid some Hippie is eating their Whole Foods vegetables? The middle has to be ‘healed’ from voting for the Teabaggers and Obama might have hust the right medecine!
Yes. It’s all planned. All of ‘em understand exactly what they’re doing, and they’re all playing their roles in the Kabuki show. Make no mistake about that.
So why does the headline say the veto threat is about the amount, as opposed to threatening a bill that doesn’t extend the debt ceiling past Nov ’12. I don’t see the veto link to $2T in the linked story? Can you clarify?
Yeah, after dismatleing SS and Medicare with no tax increases and new and continuing wars, O’s work is finished. Man, oh man! I got snookered when I voted for him.
Obama has just made himself a one-term president. This is a disaster, and many of us will be suffering for the rest of our lives as the U.S. hurtles into a downward spin.
This is pure “shock doctrine”. Congress is only charged with raising the debt level ceiling which was done 7 times during the Bush era with no problem. It’s all a load of sh*t. Obama has become a f#*cking monster.
It is not hyperbole to call Obama a secret Republican. He is absolutely on-board with those guys he plays golf with. That’s why he never gets angry at them, always plays nice, and compromises, compromises, capitulates.
Need further evidence beyond David’s article above?
David Plouffe recently said that the unemployment rate won’t matter in 2012. This was for the consumption of Congressional Democrats whom Plouffe assumes to be gullible morons. He wants the Dems to follow Obama off the cliff with his bad deal on the debt ceiling.
Obama has been prepared from the start of his presidency to be a one-term president. He said so two years ago. He knows that he will be rewarded in 2013 with millions of dollars for speaking fees for delivering the Republican agenda and preventing Wall Street prosecutions. His tax rate will be low too.
Even IF Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing …
Even IF Congress doesn’t know what they are doing …
Even IF the Dems don’t know what they are doing …
That is NO excuse. It’s STILL their fault and their responsibility.
It’s their job to know what they are doing or to find out.
And if they do know and they continue or they don’t know and they don’t find out, they are STLL responsible.
Righto! We’re up the economic shit-creek because:
Seniors are getting too much SS…
The fatcats are being taxed too much…
Too much money being pissed away for school lunches for poor kids…
In all, too much money being spent on programs to help people, while we starve the poor military and their fellow patriots, the “defense contractors”…
It is just fucking mad-hatter-crazy, is what it is.
“Galbraith hits home with this one. Obama and his kind are waging class war, and the effects produced by this war include a generally lower standard of living and the expansion of a surplus population that lacks a functional place in American society. Soon, many white Americans will know what it means to be a black American. They’ll know because their place in the grand scheme of things will be functionally equivalent to the place occupied by most black Americans since the end of Jim Crow. They’ll lack jobs and hope.”
I listened to a wise person recently who said we are all on the reservation now.
What we do to the poor, what we do to the least, the harm we do to others in these wars, it all eventually comes home to us all.
Just finished listening to Bernie Sanders on Hartman and the question I keep wanting someone to ask Bernie is why he isn’t more angry. I remember Sanders speaking passionately that if we elected McCain it would be the death of the middle class. I held that idea close and used it to motivate me. I don’t blame Bernie for anything I just wonder that there are still layers of bullshit that are obscuring the truth of what goes on in DC.
I see the death of the middle class in the eyes of the politician who occupies the oval now. He doesn’t believe in drama though, he chose his side. The elites could have no greater friend than Obama. McCain often enough talks more sense than Obama and that’s pretty damn heart breaking.
I agree. The thieves are stealing everything and many former middle class are entering generational poverty even if they don’t know it yet.
Obama is the past.
He could have gotten an almost $4T cut by letting the Bush tax cuts expire. How can anyone take this guy seriously?
He wasn’t investigated or impeached because he services them.
Reminds me when Obama said he was for offshore drilling (he thought by being for that the GOP would help him with his climate change bill and they shot him down within hours). Then, of course, the Gulf spill happened and Obama was nowhere to be found for 35 days before one of his advisers finally got around to telling him that it was pretty bad.
*big sigh* This is frustrating. Maddening even.
It is almost as if Obama’s people leaked the grand bargain ahead of the jobs report and now today’s huffing and puffing veto threat because he thinks the mythic middle won’t like the jobs numbers but will applaud him for his deficit bravado. But he couldn’t possibly be that self serving.
Courtesy of Obama and his fellow Randians, we’re in for some serious “belt-tightening”.
Guess who’s going to be the first hole.
I do not want the debt-ceiling raised and strongly encourage every congressman to vote against doing so. Obama has options for paying the bills, e.g., the jumbo-coin option. Force him to use them.
Not only do the elites not understand economic theory. They do not remember our history nor the 1940′s, 50′s or 60′s or what is required to make capitalism work for all of us.
The sad ironic truth about unfettered capitalism is that within lies the seeds of its own destruction whenever the few at the top become too rich when compared with those further down the latter. This failure usually is preceded by some sort of bubble leads to either a revolution or economic collapse. The real caretakers of capitalism are not the self proclaimed free marketers who rail against government restrictions but rather those who seek to use its power to improve the lives of all not just the few while building a civilized and progressive society.
Capitalism to be fair and successful has four equal yet competing pillars: the shareholder or owners; the managers those responsible for the day to day operation of the business or enterprise; the workers, producers, the servers, clerks, the doers and make things happeners and the government agencies which regulate, overview, enforce the rules and act as the cop on the beat. Each is a check and balance upon the other or should be howsoever whenever the legs become unequal the structure falls over. In our current crisis, it was the lack of government regulations over several so called innovated securities proclaimed safe and self policing by the self appointed brightest and best ; weaken labor and their union due to government policies favoring big corporations over big labor representation and free trade agreement which left the workers out and unprotected while desolating manufacturing jobs, and the co-mingling of managers/owners to an extent where they as owners control the corporation to the exclusion of a numerical majority of shareholders having the power and the votes to put their interests above that of the shareholder/owners thereby screaming the cream for their own benefit without the shareholder/owners input or concurrence. Couple this with the frequency with which these manager/owners to also become intertwined with government regulatory agencies and Presidential advisors and the revolving door of special interests serving their own self interest. These public self servers become the firstest with the mostest, the quickest and the greedest.
Obama has decided to throw his parties base under the GOP wheels. I guess he figures we all have nowhere to go next fall or we get Michele or Sarah. At this pt. I don’t think he realizes many of us don’t care anymore, we just want to see him lose and lose badly. He’s done more damage to the D brand then anyone since LBJ.
A lot of people who have bought into the cult of personality that is Barack Obama. There are still those who think he is playing a deep game of chess and has a secret plan to save the country.
I agree. Obama isn’t stupid; he’s sinister.
Some would say evil.
What the country needs is “serious noose tightening.”
Never thought it possible to despise any President more than W. I don’t even know what to think anymore about the direction of this country.
Eerily similar to the movie Titantic. All the wealthy grabbing every bit of cash left and abondoning ship. Sorry not enough lifeboats for the serfs. Only difference is that in the movie the captain went down with the ship with honor. This captain is throwing as many people down below as he can just so he sure of getting a spot on one of the lifeboats.
Which is a (modestly) unfair statement to LBJ… Lyndon never wanted to destroy the Democratic name or Party and at least had the grace to acknowledge the reality of Vietnam (that it could never be won) and bowed out of the ’68 race. With Obama, I think he wants to destroy the Democratic Party.
Wow, doesn’t that sum it up. Well said.
Thus the latest meme: The “boiling frog,” a hapless being that lives in a dangerous environment that will soon consume it.