House Speaker John Boehner just announced that he has abandoned the $4 trillion “grand bargain” pushed by President Obama, a day before Congressional leaders were to meet at the White House for a final set of talks. Boehner said that only the medium-term deal, with roughly $2 trillion in deficit reduction, would be palatable to his caucus. This positions Barack Obama to the right of John Boehner on deficit hawkishness, as Boehner blinked because he could not sell the tax increases necessary to ink a large grand bargain.
“Despite good-faith efforts to find common ground, the White House will not pursue a bigger debt reduction agreement without tax hikes. I believe the best approach may be to focus on producing a smaller measure, based on the cuts identified in the Biden-led negotiations, that still meets our call for spending reforms and cuts greater than the amount of any debt limit increase,” Boehner said in a statement released less than 24 hours before the Obama meeting is to take place.
The day that the grand bargain proposal was released, to great fanfare, on Thursday, I was immediately skeptical because I didn’t see anything in the stories suggesting that Republicans were at all willing to swallow $1 trillion in tax increases. Indeed, they never moved on revenue. And as the President was demanding an actual grand bargain, with revenues in the deal, as part of a deal that would have cut entitlements, Republicans couldn’t stomach it.
Where do we go from here? Boehner suggested the smaller deal that was part of the Biden talks. But this was the deal that Republicans essentially rejected a couple weeks ago, which had nearly $2 trillion in spending cuts and around $400 billion in revenue. I don’t know how they would go back to this at this point, but it’s possible that a patch to the alternative minimum tax, a perennial Washington favorite, would be included in the deal, to cover the revenue and allow Republicans to say that the package is revenue-neutral. It would merely mean that the AMT, which is patched every year so it doesn’t hit the middle class, would actually be paid for this time around. But it would be a net $0 in revenue from the baseline.
White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer released this statement:
The President believes that solving our fiscal problems is an economic imperative. But in order to do that, we cannot ask the middle-class and seniors to bear all the burden of higher costs and budget cuts. We need a balanced approach that asks the very wealthiest and special interests to pay their fair share as well, and we believe the American people agree.
Both parties have made real progress thus far, and to back off now will not only fail to solve our fiscal challenge, it will confirm the cynicism people have about politics in Washington. The President believes that now is the moment to rise above that cynicism and show the American people that we can still do big things. And so tomorrow, he will make the case to congressional leaders that we must reject the politics of least resistance and take on this critical challenge.
The President is certainly laying it on thick here in a push for a grand bargain. But Boehner has spoken, and gridlock and militant anti-tax ideology has, in all likelihood, saved the welfare state for the time being. However, it’s entirely possible that something like chained CPI could show up in the smaller deal, or provider cuts to Medicare, which were already reportedly agreed to in the Biden talks.
More will become clear tomorrow, after the meeting between the White House and Congressional leaders.
…of course, this also raises the prospect that no deal will be made and the debt limit will be reached on August 2. Republicans seem completely unable to accept the slightest tax increase, and Democrats unable to accept a deal without revenues. So we could very well get to August 2, and uncharted territory for the federal government.
UPDATE: Here’s Harry Reid’s statement:
“I am disappointed that Republicans are unable to work with us to take a historic step forward that would have dramatically reduced our long-term deficit. We asked Republicans to consider a balanced approach that would have required shared sacrifice, but they would not. We still need to make sure we avert the economic catastrophe that would occur if we were to let America fail to pay its bills for the first time in our history, and I am confident that we will. Americans have a right to expect their leaders to rise above partisanship and do the right thing for our economy and the middle class.”
This really isn’t turning out well for Boehner. For better or worse, the Democrats look like the budget hawks. That has quite a bit of truth to it, since Republicans actually don’t give a damn about the budget deficit, they care about protecting rich people from paying taxes.
UPDATE II: Sam Stein Ryan Grim speculates that opposition from Democrats and their allies to social safety net cuts “may have broken the back of the bargain.” I don’t think that battle has totally been won – we don’t yet know what’s in a medium term deal. But it does look like Democrats in the negotiating room wouldn’t agree to entitlement cuts, and the outside pressure may have played a role there.
UPDATE III: White House says this was all about revenue. “[Boehner] couldn’t do revenues from wealthiest Americans, he walked away over that,” said the Administration source. “They are telling people we couldn’t do entitlements, not true.”
So we have a President perfectly willing to cut the safety net, but because Republicans are so insane about taxes, they missed this golden opportunity. And since there was no indication that they would ever agree to serious revenues, we have to acknowledge that the White House pretty much knew that going in. It was hard to miss.




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To tell you the truth, both sides have gotten on my nerves. I have gotten to the point to where you couldn’t pay me enough to vote for Obama or anybody else at the moment. this stalemate is absurd.
Maybe it is just me, but can’t Obama just sign an executive order raising the debt ceiling, or is that just wishful thinking? I’ve become tired of Obama and the left kowtowing to the right to make it appear their is bipartisanship. people want results, they want jobs, who gives a hootinnanny if the gop are on board
if this were Bush he’d ram through whatever he wanted, the dems be damned! i wish Obama would act like this from time to time. he makes situations worse than what they need to be.
Is it me or does this seem like Obama looks like even more of a fool? Just like all of his other hapless policy choices, he chose the path of no reward. Now, he’s out there on the limb having pissed off core parts of his party to agree to something that goes against the very raison d’etre of the party and like Lucy with the football, Boehner pulls away. So now Obama gets none of his plausible deniability, has earned the deep distrust of his party and Democratic Congress members, will end up getting the deal of 2 weeks ago that accomplishes nothing for said party including no revenues, and which whose passage will still create a 2nd Great Depression just in time for the election. Though we may end up not getting any gutting of the safety net can anyone tell me what Obama will have gotten out of any of this?
DDay, thanks.
union, according to the Constitution, Congress controls the purse. Unfortunately, both parties have forgotten about the SEPARATION OF POWERS, so your EO idea isn’t as far-fetched as it used to be.
AFAIK, if talks break down on August 1, Barry will invoke the 14th Amendment to protect his buddies on Wall Street. It probably isn’t Constitutionally legal, but what the heck, we’ve already thrown out most of the Bill of Rights with torture and warrantless spying on US citizens.
Yes, he looks “responsible.” I know that sounds idiotic, but they obviously feel that this episode gives them credibility among opinion leaders in Washington. Watch the Sunday shows savage Boehner tomorrow. By the way, I think Republicans look terrible out of this. They just look like they hump the legs of the rich and protect them at all costs, even when it means rejecting decades-long policy goals. This will be damaging to them.
Of course, we’re still far from an agreement to raise the debt limit, and ultimately, the President will be judged on economic performance, not on whether David Brooks likes him.
For those like me who haven’t been paying much attention to this debt ceiling nonsense, The Hill has a nice breakdown of what’s on the table:
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/170539-a-rundown-of-what-could-be-put-in-the-obama-gop-debt-deal
NONE of the proposals sounds politically doable to me. I’m guessing there will be some accounting gimmicks and the debt ceiling will be raised. Then we’ll revisit this issue next year when the Bush tax cuts expire, at which point everyone can deny they are raising taxes.
Thanks so much for this, David. Hope there’s video showing Boehner getting ripped to shreds on tomorrow’s tee vees–but, more importantly, I hope the Dems who’ve been talking about holding the line and preventing cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will keep the pressure on and be ready to accelerate at a moment’s notice!
Yeah I thought that too, but I guess I’m just too Left of the Left and can’t see how that makes any sense. I’ve never understood these Versailles Democrats. They’re always like the kid in class that sucks up to Teacher, only replace Teacher with Beltway Media. They always seem to be oblivious that their audience should be their voters not impressing the hell out of Cokie fuckin Roberts. Anyway, I don’t see how this accomplishes anything other than any other typical Obama ploy has: short term gain, long term pain. He’ll be called “responsible” for 5 seconds and then he’ll start getting blamed for the disastrous consequences of either passing or not passing this travesty of a bill. God knows he won’t use his bully pulpit for anything so why should the public blame the Repugs for the disaster that is about to follow?
Also I don’t see how the Repugs look bad in this. Their constituents will be happy they didn’t agree to a tax increase and the media will start to pressure Obama to accept BIGGER spending cuts so he can seem “reasonable”. They won’t question the lunacy of demanding everything on Repug terms. They’ll demand that Obama be the “adult” or “bigger man” and just go along with it for the good of the country.
But it’s not about the Republican base, it’s about independents. And they are not going to like that the GOP sacrificed a $4T deal over tax cuts for the rich, provided Dems can keep driving home that message.
It was well-played by Obama, assuming he doesn’t turn around and do an awful $2T deal.
But the President will be judging himself on whether David Brooks likes him.
I don’t buy that. Everyone keeps talking about these “independents” but they’re not really. They’re really fence sitters who will go along with the candidate who seems more forceful and determined to achieve his/her agenda for the good of the country. But the converse of that is these same independents won’t support someone who doesn’t fight for what he believes in because that is a proxy for not standing and fighting for the nation. If Obama had truly led up to now and forced through packages that would have directly hired people and directly negotiated drug prices, they’d be with him despite any claptrap they say to pollsters about deficits. They don’t really care about deficits. The so-called “independents” have a record of supporting Presidents like Reagan and Bush II who were obvious deficit spenders but who stuck to their campaign platform and relentlessly achieved it. If they believe you are being relentless in achieving your goals because you believe it’s in the best interest of the nation, they’ll support you. The lack of passion and faith from Obama in his policy prescriptions is what made Independents take so long to choose him in the 2008 campaign. His lethargic responses comes off as someone who doesn’t believe in what he’s saying. He isn’t a fighter. Likewise, when McCain’s relentlessness to become President morphed into desperation by way of his decision to choose Sarah Palin as a running mate, independents did NOT support him because they felt he wasn’t being relentless for the good of the nation but for himself.
So, while Repugs may get some short term negative press for this, I don’t see how they suffer much at all. It’s kind of a wash for them. They’ll be able to bullshit some of the “independents” into believing they refused tax increases for the good of the nation because they’ll say the real problem is the spending. The other half will say they were being ridiculous however, they’ll still hold the President more responsible in the long run because HE is the leader, not John Boehner. However, once Obama caves and gives the Repugs what they want to avoid default, he’ll get none of the credit from Independents because he is still not in the position of a leader/fighter but of a follower.
Headline News After Tomorrows Meeting:
“In a strange twist Obama demanded that Congressional leaders not leave the whitehouse until they agreed to cut Social Security.”
Aides said Obama could not let this crisis pass without a chance to prove he is very bipartisany.
Nobody is talking about the Ryan plan anymore. Just when the Dems are sailing to victory they always screw it up.
Every Republican politician can now say even Obama offered to gut Social Security and Medicare.
I think this is just the latest scene in the long Kabuki play going on. I’m sure Zero has additional plans up his sleeve to screw the regular folks. And I’m equally sure that he will eventually fold to the TOP.
He should have never went after the job. He doesn’t have the “fortitude” to handle tough situations or tough people. That’s obvious scores of times.
That’s being the man who bends over and grabs his ankles–again!
Good. I’m enjoying the spectacle of watching Obama grovel. I’m beginning to wonder how long it will take him to offer to repeal estate taxes on estates worth more than $20 million.
“The President believes that solving our fiscal problems is an economic imperative. But in order to do that, we cannot ask the middle-class and seniors to bear all the burden of higher costs and budget cuts.”
In other words, we expect the middle-class and seniors to bear almost all the burden of higher costs and budget cuts.
Thank you Senator Boehner. As long as you won’t make a deal, they can’t cut Social Security and Medicare.
I am confident independents will give the President full credit for cutting Social Security and Medicare.
Let us never forget, this Debt Crisis is all OBAMA
Obama created the debt crisis via his Cat Food commission
Obama is the one that put all the Social Security, Medicare, Medicade haters on his Cat Food Commission.
Like Ryan Grim told Keith Olbermann, Obama does not like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade. Ask Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson
What really kill this deal was the FACT that if Obama gutted Social Security he would become very, very, easy to Primary and defeat. Obama cutting social security would have also made him un-electable. A black man cutting social security would not win crap in 2012. “the elites do not want a real liberal running in 2012″
At every turn OBAMA has ignored the only issue in the USA “the ECONOMY”
Obama made wall street rich “bailed out wall street” no money problem here
Obama made Health Insurance companies rich
Obama made defense contractors rich
Obama made the super rich, more rich
and all the middle class got was 9.2% un-employment
Congress has no right to hold the world economy hostage. You’ve heard of Cash-for-Gold? Those people are going to want their gold back.
http://bit.ly/pMmqMe
The ‘Constitutional Option’ is now BACK on the table Mr. President.
Teabaggers Must Not be Allowed to Ravage Lady Liberty
Democrats have begun floating the idea that even if Republican obstructionists try to ram our ship of state into a fiscal iceberg like the corporate pirates they are, they might merely crumple the bow rather than send the whole economy careening to the ocean floor. That’s because, even if the Republican Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling in their stab at creating yet another right-wing disaster they can blame on President Obama, their attempt to force the United States into default is not permissible under the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution …
Article:
Republicans’ Plan to Wreck US Credit Unconstitutional
A law professor issue his ruling
SS and Medicare are saved by the greed of Republicans protecting the stinking richest Americans. Meanwhile, the Democratic president must go back to the drawing board to figure out how to cut entitlements. Down is up. Up is down. Black is white. White is black. I’m a lifelong, diehard, dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, but Obama has made me sick. I can’t vote for him anymore.
Let’s get real here. The Republicans are so confident, based on past performance, that Obama will eventually cave if they hold firm, that they are totally unwilling to accept any kind of tax increases. There will ultimately be no “compromise”. Either Obama will give them pretty much everything they want (as usual), or we will go into default and the economy will tank again.
You’d think that after two years of negotiating with bullies who have no interest in negotiation that he would just give it up as a lost cause and turn to other forms of manipulation and persuasion. Grow a spine Obama.
Obama’s FATAL mistake – extending the BushCo tax cuts. He gave the GOPers what they wanted before the debt negotiations even began.
2 possibilites here: 1) Obama is an idiot or 2) the Democrates are also whores for the rich.
You’re right; the fact that 0bama was eager to gut Medicare & Social Security to achieve a mundane goal like raising the debt limit is something which should not be overlooked, minimized, or forgotten. If the present opportunity has passed, that does not mean our social programs are safe. The Big 0 is clearly enthusiastic at the prospect of crushing the New Deal and the Great Society to prove his “seriousness” to the Villagers and his corporate sponsors.
0bama is not to be trusted.
Obama on the other hand, is a lifelong, dyed in the wool opportunist who would have run as a Republican if he had come into politics in Dallas instead of Chicago.
You’re late with the epiphany. How could anyone watch the health care “debate” and still believe that Obama cared about anybody but the wealthy? Forgive me but I never believed he was a progressive and the health care fiasco has shown me that he’s not even a DINOcrat.
Sort of reminds me of the health care debate. Same stench anyway.
The Parable of the Chocolates
A man and his two sons are in the check-out line. The young boys want chocolate. Dad says, “No.” They wheedle and whine. They get pouts on their faces. Dad says, “What are you willing to do for the chocolate?” “Nothing,” says older son while younger son offers, “I’ll do my chore list.” Dad responds, “Your chore list has nothing to do with chocolate. We could empty all the waste baskets and put them in the garbage when we get home. That’s worth a chocolate.” Older son, “No.” I say, “Draw that line in the sand, Dad.” Checker says, “Dang, I wish that was MY chore list. Mine’s really long. Trash dumping sounds like a bargain.” Me, “If Barack Obama was negotiating, those boys would have a pocket full of chocolates by now.”
yeah. during the campaign i said that this guy really isn’t a liberal, but on the basic, core stuff he’s there. and labor issues are important to me and he’s for EFCA without hesistation, so i’m good with him.
good god almighty.
that is precisely why he must go…Bernie pleazzzzzzzzzzzzz.primary him
“can’t Obama just sign an executive order raising the debt ceiling”
Constitutionally speaking, NO. He can, however, use the ESF (Exchange Stabilization Fund). It was originally established as part of the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. It can provide a means for the President to bypass Congress. Clinton/Bentsen did it in 1994 when Congress failed to pass legislation related to Mexico’s debt crisis. They used $ 20 billion through the ESF. The most recent use of the ESF was in 2008 when Bush/Paulson guaranteed $ 50 billion for certain money market accounts.
If Treasury elects to use SDRs (Special Drawing Rights) it will put the U S on the hook to the IMF.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed14.html
The most recent use of the ESF was in 2008 when Bush/Paulson guaranteed $ 50 billion for certain money market accounts
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how convenient
Yeah but he won’t. It wouldn’t be bartisany bypassing Congress like that. It might make BOehNER cry.
Three things I thought I’d never see in my lifetime; a Democratic president proposing to gut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, Richard Nixon would look good to me, and being thankful for John Boehner.
That is really sickening picture with his swarmy smile….not so much like a Sam Rayburn or LBJ, imho…..How sad is all this; the characters are moral, intellectual midgets.
BINGO – the prize of the day is yours
This is so predictable that I wonder if the PTB even bothers to call it in. Obama will do whatever it takes to make the GOP look better. It is his “Job One”. And as he does whatever screwing of the Democratic Party de jure is, the media will tell folks how he is the most liberal since (insert name of a Democratic Party success that carries weight in media viewing area – be it 22 million job Clinton or save the nation FDR or tough tell them how it is Truman).
I can assure you that it is not you.
Obama’s not a “leader” merely a weak “mediator.” He’s the U.S. version of Neville Chamberlain. Chamberlain gave Britian “Peace in our time” and Obama is determined to give “Poverty in our time”, all in the spirit of bipartisanship of course.
Let’s look at this not in adversarial terms, but in terms of the Grand Alliance – the Democratic/Republican/Corporate alliance – and just see how it plays. Obama ‘floated’ a 4 trillion dollar package. That package received HUGE public pushback – debated for days on here, but always as ‘a bridge too far.’
Now what do they do?
Desperate confab. Resulting in agreement that one part of the coalition, the Republican ‘side’, will opt out FOR SPURIOUS REASONS. Not because it is unconscionable to mess with Medicare and Social Security, oh no. Lets keep the public discourse strictly about taxes and such, the issues folk know the ‘important’ issues are.
But, and its a huge but, the writing is on the wall.
We won’t stand for messing with Social Security and Medicare. We won’t stand for shouldering ANY of the burden of debt which we poorer folk are not responsible for.
Chalk that one up to SUCCESS, folk. We may not have been out on the streets, but we would have and they know it. The potential was there. Plus as well, huge damage has been done to the Corporate Coalition – not as evident as when we made Bush back down from his attempt to dismantle Social Security (and you can bet they will keep at it). But success is there, tangibly present.
We succeeded; we did! Just as Obama now has his foot permanently in his mouth as the swine he is; so also the American people have a success under their belt. We need to celebrate that, recognize it, even as we continue the fight.
Obama is the worlds worst negotiator. He caves, he gives in and always NEGOTIATES AWAY ANYTHING DUE THE PEOPLE.
THIS DEMOCRAT CAN NO LONGER SUPPORT OBAMA
A CHALLENGER IS NEEDED AND IF NOT IM MOVING OUT OF THE PARTY AND SUPPORTING THE GREEN PARTY
I JUST HAVE TO STOP ENABLING THE DEMOCRATS AS THEY BECOME REPUBLICANS AND GOVERN AS REPUBLICANS.
Bernie’s an “Independent” not a Democrat.
The 100 billion in the ESF is not going to do much, but simple coinage law – Treasury mints a $2 trillion coin and gives it to the Fed and game over, because the Fed is not bound by any debt limit law.
Even easier is to say the 14th Amendment was upheld as to all “obligations” in 1935′s Supreme Court decision, meaning laws passed are obligations – it is not just China’s portion of our National Debt that must be paid.
Obama wants to sell a crisis so as to kill social programs – our “Socialist Democrat” will indeed likely, after this sell, out be reelected, but with GOP majorities in House and Senate post his destruction of the Democratic Party.
So basically, Republicans engineer a Depression, have no problem with bailing out the BANKS, tried to block all of the stimulus, and after a couple of years decide it’s time to cut spending andextend tax cuts, before the economy or unemployment has recovered? After they spent us into the center of the Earth when handed a balanced budget and projected surplus. And Obama and the Dems rolled over and took it. Speechless.
Let’s just call the whole thing off
House Ds should simply announce that they aren’t voting to raise the debt ceiling period, whether on a clean bill or as part of some pernicious deal. The ceiling be voted against even as a stand-alone, clean, bill, in order to destroy it, to destroy the use that has been made of it as a blackmail tool by both the Rs and the WH.
Given the number of Teahadist Rs who will vote against the ceiling raise under any circumstance, it wouldn’t take close to D unanimity to block a raise. And once there is any prospect of more than a handful of Ds voting against a raise, then many more Rs will join those unwilling to vote for it, and the raise is doomed.
Once the national debt actually hits the ceiling, there is only one possible response the adminstration could adopt. They will simply ignore the ceiling, under the theory, which the courts will approve if this is litigated, that the ceiling is purely symbolic, that the Congress authorized any borrowing needed to meet the legal obligations of the US when it passed laws obligating that spending.
Of course the adminstration is furiously claiming that it will do no such thing, that the ceiling is sacred. The ceiling loses its blackmail value if its sacred inviolability is questioned, and they seem as intent as the Teahadists on blackmailing Ds into voting for some wretched deal, or merely playing their part in some 11-dimensional chess kabuki messaging strategy — you decide, we just report the facts.
The reality is that the ceiling is no more formally inviolable than the many laws obligating spending that the administration would have to ignore in order to stick with the plan of honoring the ceiling. And practically, there is no choice at all except violate the ceiling if the adminstration wants to stay anywhere close to the legal scheme in place for taking in and spending govt money.
To choose to violate the ceiling involves only the straightforward and reasonable inference that Congress intended to authorize bowwowing sufficient to cover all the spending it obligated. To choose the alternative, to violate the spedning bills in order to homor the ceiling, would require the adminstration to arrogate to itself the Congressional power to spend. If it honors the ceiling, the administration would have to pick and choose among obligations, every single one of them legally binding, which to honor and which to stiff. That really would be usurpation, that would be an unconscionable power grab, and — most to the point — it would be a political, fiscal and economic disaster, so it’s not going to happen. The adminstration may threaten that it will happen in order to get its way (whatever that may be!), but it’s not happening.
Ds should force the phony crisis that the Rs and the WH are jointly foisting on us. Make the national debt hit the ceiling in order to show definitevley that the ceiling is a paper tiger, a merely symbolic act of no greater practical signfigance than a vote to name a local Post Office after Wilbur Mills or PT Barnum.
I don’t see this at all as a win for Obama. He made these big pronouncements on Friday and has failed to make a deal. Further, he can not hammer the Republicans with wanting to cut the two most popular programs in government because he’s on record as supporting cuts. I find it curious that this is considered a win for Obama. But maybe they’ll win the spin war. Who knows.
This is a win for the right.
SS and Medicare get gutted and the rich won’t be taxed. Win/win for the enemy.
Its the latter.
Wow…I seem to remember the following from a certain moron in his first months as President back in, well, 2009:
“You don’t raise taxes in a recession,” Obama said. “We have not proposed a tax hike for the wealthy that would take effect in the middle of a recession,” he said of his plans for financing healthcare reform, with taxes for higher-income Americans planned after 2011.
We are in the middle of the Obama Depression – no jobs, a sputtering economy, and his socialist policies have failed with a capital “F.”
But like everything else he promised, Obama wants to break one more promise and raise taxes “in a recession.”
We will look back in 2013, when this creep is out of office, and wonder how he got elected in the first place. What a disaster he is.
As long as the social safety net is cut, what difference would tax increases on the uberrich make anyway? That’s just revenue the government would spend on more wars that kill the peons who can’t find another job. Unless the 1%ers are taxed to fund social programs and public works programs, why bother raising taxes?
“Win/win for the enemy.”
So people who disagree with you are “the enemy”?
Not al Qaeda, or cancer, or something else? Just people who you don’t agree with.
If that is your standard, that’s fine.
He will do it in his second term IMHO.
People who cut the social safety net and tax the poor to fund the uberrich and wars to further their oil interests *are* the enemy. For sure.
It’s all about actions, not words.
I think both are true.
I don’t understand how invoking a Constitutional amendment is unconstitutional.
I’ll add evil to that mix.
“Treasury mints a $2 trillion coin and gives it to the Fed and game over, because the Fed is not bound by any debt limit law.”
Thanks for pointing that out.
I strongly agree with you about Obama creating this crisis to cut social programs.
Boehner’s cognitive dissonance on cutting taxes and gutting public-financed social safety programs is amazing for a guy who’s been living on the taxpayer dole since 1990. We need to remind these “public servants” that “We The People” gave him his job and signed his paycheck via taxation for the last 21years. His expectations of the taxpayer upon retirement is his taxpayer funded pension, perks, and security detail. Do as you say Boehner and live the cause of no taxation and get off the dole and refuse taxpayer assistance programs. PS…and return all received taxpayer monies and perks. Hypocrisy hath no bounds nor truth
And to think this passes as a serious debate in Washington. This so reeks of corruption it’s mind numbing.
The right has no problem with taxation to fund the rich. That is the *only* purpose for taxing.
“Doesn’t have the fortitude”
I totally agree. Can’t understand why he thought he wanted the job. But I didn’t believe Bush really wanted the job either. Both are acting as frontmen for larger, more insidious forces.. (at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, which I usually am not).
Evil=Fascist
Yup.
Enemy is exactly correct, unless you believe that fascism is the correct course for this country and FDR was really wrong.
This is what we need now: “Fuck you very much” to Congress from the President.
Not going to happen, it seems. FDR welcomed their hatred, Obama caves to it.
More bipartisan sodomizing of the poor and middle class, joy. Remind me why voting for anybody to do anything for us rabble is a good idea again. The only people interested in political office are those disinterested in doing fuck all to help us.
Conservative confusion alert!!!!
However, I agree with this confused respondent that there is no count to how many campaign promises this president has broken.
“Despotic government supports itself by abject civilization, in which debasement of the human mind, and wretchedness in the mass of the people, are the chief criterions. Such governments consider man merely as an animal; that the exercise of intellectual faculty is not his privilege; that he has nothing to do with the laws but to obey them; and they politically depend more upon breaking the spirit of the people by poverty, than they fear enraging it by desperation….”Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice Essay
News:
“Obama will still seek a $4 trillion debt deal despite GOP opposition, aides say.” (Wash Post).
Obama is pure evil. Much worse than Bush.
Makes me weep over the fact that the greatest generation, as it has been characterized, my uncles, their friends, went to war, gave their lives to fight fascism only to see their win not mattering. They won militarily, but lost politically.
The one place FDR should have never compromised was the retreat from filing treason charges against the DuPonts, Bushes, and any others of that period continuing to support materially, Axis countries.
We cannot let it happen. We owe it to them and our grandchildren.
The debt ceiling is inconsequential yet both sides have conspired to engage us in a mythical debate of not “fulfilling” financial obligations. What country in the world has stopped doing business with the USA because of our debt obligations? What country will cut us off from their imports? What country will turn away our military protection?
The debt ceiling is misdirection to gain power over the liberties and rights of the citizenry
LOL – sadly
Seems Obama is demanding that they accept his cuts to Social Security and Medicare. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-will-still-seek-a-4-trillion-debt-deal-despite-gop-opposition-aides-say/2011/07/10/gIQAOKq86H_story.html
That’s so true, you could not make this up. How far over the deep end in Obamabotland do you have to be to accept the logic of “I cut your Social Security and Medicare so I could tax the rich to fund more wars”. I was even reading that if they apply their CHAINS on the people calculation that it would actually decrease veterans benefits.
In conclusion… It’s all the O-dudes fault again?
(sometimes I wonder if these Republicans would be just a little bit nicer – would it be all their fault?)
Well, maybe we could get the Republicans to agree on this: impeach him. He ought to be impeached for fraud. I mean how many votes would he have gotten in 2008 running on a platform of increased wars and cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
starting to remind me of….
how many votes would he have gotten in 2008 running on a platform of increased wars and cuts to Social Security and Medicare?
70 percent? (All the Republicans plus the Blue Dog Democrats?)
All of this is a disaster of Obama’s making. LOL, I’m still trying to figure out what they plan to offer voters next year as an incentive to vote for him. Nobody is really enthused about any of his so-called accomplishments and if he signs any ridiculous debt deal it will just be another loss for the base. Democrats didn’t elect him to prescribe Repug policies and debt hysteria. They demanded jobs and accountability, the two things he seems unable or unwilling to focus on. I just can’t understand why they think they’ll win by using the same failed strategy of 2010. Why do they think this?
Keep dreaming. Majorities across the board do NOT support benefits cuts. Anyone running on the promise or record of such will not be elected or re-elected.
The leadership of the D Party has trained the progressive base in learned helplessness. We have nowhere to go, no options, no hope. Our only way forward is to vote for the lesser evil.
We are at the point where it is necessary to stop listening to the Democratic Party elites and their allies inside and outside the Party. We have the numbers if not the money or the microphone. It’s time to listen to our own ideas instead of theirs.
I pray you are right -(and I’m wrong) – and the 49 percent Republicans will vote at the next election against these cuts!
Here is a blogger, Steve Soto, analyzing how Obama comes out a winner vs the Republican Congress:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/020007.php
He is following up an earlier analysis at this same website which outlined what appeared to be Obama strategy going in.
I don’t think the analysis is totally correct, and I don’t think Soto is big Obama fan; however, he offers some analysis that is worth reading.
Dear Crappy Negotiator Obama,
A medium-level deal doesn’t mean no tax/revenue increases.
I’m not talking about the votes of bought and sold politicians. Look at the polls. Americans don’t want Social Security and Medicare benefits cut. They’re confused about their future viability and want reassurance but they do not want benefits cut. And the majority don’t want these wars either.
it just gives the uber rich another chance to screw everyone else.
Oh I know that Americans don’t want Social Security and Medicare cut!
That’s why I will be really confused if 49 percent of them will vote for Republicans again at the next election???!
Yes i agree. I’ve been saying here and elsewhere that we need to start laying the narrative of exactly how the Second Great Depression formed. Unequivocal blame must be laid on the same lousy supply-side, coddle the rich policies that caused the first one and are responsible for this one. Unequivocal support must be put forward for direct hiring of the unemployed, ALL OF THEM, to rebuild our country and it must be paid for with dramatic tax hikes on the rich. Believe me, in 2 years, that will have overwhelming support.
Thanks for the link. That *was* worth a read, but mostly as a specimen of wrong thinking. The essay is another example of a progressive–well meaning, no doubt–believing that Obama is playing eleventy-dimensional chess and working for progressive goals. He is doing neither.
I would like to diary a takedown of that leftcoaster post.
It’s clear to me now who I should have voted for in 2007. None of this would be happening if John Edwards were sitting in the captain’s chair.
Well pointing out that lack of decent Democratic candidates only emphasizes that the party is moribund.
Well, if the Democrats cut Social Security and Medicare, you won’t have to wonder.
Wanna bet? See that WaPoop link posted above. Zero is determined to gut SS and Medicare. Just watch: he’s gonna end up forcing the Dems to go along with an all cuts/no taxes “bargain” — bargain screwing that is.
Exactly. That’s the same faulty logic used in the leftercoaster post linked above:
SS and Medicare will not be taken off the table because it is part of Obama’s plan to make cuts.
It’s painfully obvious now that he lied his butt off during the presidential campaign. He’s broken almost all his fundamental promises to protect Democratic interests and has repeatedly worked against the interests of the middle class: expanded the war in Afghanistan instead of getting us out of Iraq and got us into Libya; never even tried to get a public option in the healthcare bill; cowtowed to drug companies instead of pushing to use the buying power of the federal government to lower drug costs; is trying to gut SS, and instead of strengthening Medicare is trying to weaken it; has expanded gun owners’ ability to carry concealed weapons (in federal parks) instead of pushing for reasonable gun control; looted the treasury to give tax payer money to the Banksters instead of holding Wall Street accountable for its illegal trading; etc. He’s a disaster. A Trojan Horse. And to think I thought his election was a sign we hadn’t lost our Democracy. Instead, it was the final consolidation of the plutocracy in America.
President Zero has taken a leaf from the illustrious career of Muhammed Ali. You may recall that in Manila, where the humidity was its typical near-100% self, he feigned being “on the run” for most of the fight, lying against the ropes and letting his opponent work into exhaustion…and then, at the end, when it looked like Ali had lost all rounds and therefore the fight, he came out and demolished his opponent. Ali called this “the rope-a-dope.”
Well, Obomber has given us “the hope-a-dope.” Chump change and you-got-nowhere-else-to-go, the rest. He silences the usual pack of faux realists who will never, ever do other than pull the lever for whatever drops out the donkey’s backside, ’cause, you know, the other guys are worse.
That’s how we got to this (un)pretty pass we find ourselves at, ignoring people who have pointed out that the lesser evil makes things worse, ’cause that’s what evil is: things getting worse. The only question in this limbo rock is, “how low can you go?” Societal breakdown, anyone?
And here comes the latest installment of “shock doctrine” crisis deadline mongering…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/10/debt-ceiling-deadline-obama_n_894219.html
Debt Ceiling Deadline Looms: Obama Says Budget Deal Must Be Reached In 10 Days
Translation: “Hey, Congressional Dems, gotta take those entitlement cuts or else!”