President Obama continued to press for a maximalist debt limit deal in a White House press conference today, saying that “I’m prepared to take on significant heat from my party to get something done.” However, he made a few key statements that give insight into the negotiations.
First of all, Obama said that, without Republicans budging on revenue, “I don’t think something’s going to get done. If their proposition is my way or the highway, I don’t see us getting a deal.” That would hold for a maximalist, grand bargain deal of $4 trillion, or a medium-sized deal of $2 trillion. Obama said that Democrats in the Senate would have to agree to a deal, and that House Democratic votes would be needed to pass any deal. “I will not accept a deal in which I (meaning a rich person -ed.) am asked to do nothing, while a parent out there struggling to figure out how to get a kid to college will have a couple thousand less in student loans.”
Second, he said that he would want an extension of the payroll tax cut to be a component of an overall deal, as a stimulative measure. He did not specify whether that would be an extension on the employee side or adding an employer-side payroll tax cut to it. He said that “It wouldn’t be (the stimulus package that) I would design, but it does make a difference.”
Third, he acknowledged that none of the tax increases would hit in 2011 or 2012. “Nobody’s looking to raise taxes right now,” Obama said. They would start in 2013, in the bigger package, and the President alluded to letting the top-level Bush tax cuts expire that time, as well as allowing certain tax loopholes to expire. He looped back to the payroll tax cuts by saying that the only tax increase looming is that one, if it were allowed to expire at the end of 2011. “I have bent over backwards to work with Republicans,” he added, which didn’t need to be said, I don’t think.
Whether you think the insistence on a big deal that would include cuts to entitlements is a tactic or sincerely felt, it’s clear that the President believes strongly in getting it done. He echoed Bob Dole’s comment about everybody getting in the boat so it doesn’t tip over. He is clearly willing to be unpopular among his party in order to get a deal done, which is says is a component of how to improve the economy, although not the only part. “We should eat our peas,” he said, adding that “I have a stake in John Boehner successfully persuading his caucus that this is the right thing to do. Just like he has a stake in me persuading my caucus.”
On cutting entitlements, he made his pitch thusly. “Medicare in particular will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program… If you’re a progressive who cares about the integrity of Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid, then we have an obligation to make sure we make those changes required to make it sustainable on those terms… We won’t make progress on the values we care about without getting our fiscal house in order. If you care about those things, then you’ve got to be interested in figuring out how we pay for all that in a responsible way.” As for Social Security, which he acknowledged is not the source of any deficit problems, he basically said that, as long as we’re doing a big deal, we might as well throw that in. “The reason to include that in this package is, if you’re going to take a bunch of tough votes, you might as well do it now,” Obama said. He did not specify the changes.
So tactical or not, he’s certainly committed to a big deal that includes trimming benefits and some revenues, in a ratio massively tilted toward cuts. “I would want more revenues, and fewer cuts to programs for middle class families,” he said. “But that’s the point. I’m willing to move in their direction to get something done. And that’s what compromise entails.”
He concluded that getting the deficit conversation out of the way would enable the country to move with a laser focus to jobs and investment. I don’t know why anyone would think that deficits could be taken off the table forever, but that’s his argument.
At times, Obama seemed to acknowledge that there’s a much bigger problem in the country than our deficits. He cited the lack of aid to states as driving a recession in the public sector, with the biggest job losses there. He said that he didn’t think solving the debt problem automatically solves the unemployment problem. He said that a strong jobs agenda would be needed, highlighting the desire for an infrastructure bank. But he simply said that “I’m operating under some political constraints here.” And he seemed to want to box in Republicans with their own rhetoric. “(Reducing the deficit) is the primary solution the Republicans have offered with regard to jobs. This is what they claim would be the single biggest boost to business certainty and confidence. So what’s the holdup?”



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This is a very calm report on a press conference that has historical value as the first time a Democratic President abandoned the New Deal. Dayen is either stunned or has received one of “those phone calls.”
Herbert Hoover Mengele, I call him.
He’s shown that pretty consistently. Being willing to take heat from the Republicans or his corporate sponsors, not so much.
If it’s about the debt limit, Obama should know he could just do nothing and the GOP will (hopefully, likely) agree to a clean bill. What choice do they have?
But no, it’s about Obama wanting to “transform” things like Reagan, but apparently in a way that’s bad for working people. Like Reagan.
President Obama is calling upon a reservoir of trust that no longer exists after he screwed us out of the health care public option, and signed on to the Bush tax cuts. Not to mention the long list of Bush policies that he has continued and expanded here and abroad.
I was called by the Obama re-election folks on Saturday, and I politely asked them if they knew of any Democrats running for President in 2012. If they call me again, I will be less polite.
Last night, for the first time, I encountered this site being down for maintenance for several hours. I don’t know how often that’s done, but David’s ‘just the facts ma’am’ report this morning is curious.
Very tame, shallow report here, thought a little more insight would be shown.
This guy is a scary joker. Insane.
Wait kids, for the next exciting episode Inside The Beltway, watch as tens of thousand of man-hours are spent avoiding the Country’s business, where the voice of the people is muffled by our Government moving glacially forward on their knees toward the chapel of the All Mighty Dollar and their Lobbyist priests. Watch the President flambe his Party and base while, with Machiavellian adroitness, supporting the GOP in their effort to make him an unsuccessful one term President.
Obama says it all with this statement
“I have bent over backwards to work with Republicans,”
We all know he has not done crap for Progressives.
Obama basically said
I am going to gut Social Security, Medicare, Medicade with my buddies and the GOP, and the Bush taxs will go on forever.
Because no Black Man in the USA can piss off the progressive base and get re-elected! Fact
Obama the trojan horse strikes again.
More and more dems are waking up to idea that Clarence Thomas brother is in the WH.
No black politician with avg political skills would attack his or her progressive base. Because every black candidate knows that their political careers are tied to progressives, liberals, and hippies.
Obama is all but yelling to DEMS that he is a TROJAN HORSE, when he attacks Progressives, Liberals, and Hippies.
who thinks OBAMA can win the WH without the following?
liberals
progressives
hippies
Unions
the elderly
etc.
what a joke Obama has become
Obama is going to triangulate his progressive base? WOW!!! David Plouffe, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs have found the most ignorant Black Candidate in history of USA politics
Yes in un-employment is 9.2%
Black un-employment is 28% and climbing
Obama can go suck eggs.
Et lui et ses alliés Republiclan peuvent manger merde.
That would episode 1258 I believe.
Maybe President Obama is like an out-of-control addict, whose choices are driven by his unconscious hope that someone will force him into treatment. That “someone” is not obvious.
I didn’t watch it. I couldn’t watch it.
I think any of us here could have done his press conference for him. I think we all pretty much knew what kind of crap he was going to excrete.
He’s lost the black vote. Black intellectuals see him as Wall Street’s mascot. When do real Dems finally wake up to the fact this Republican has earned a primary challenge. If not the Democrats currently in the Senate and the House will find themselves in the unemployment line and they would have deserved it.
David, I am grateful for your reports. It’s good, factual analysis with a more progressive, but still evidence-based slant than most of what I’m seeing.
I’m not happy about any of Obama’s deficit cutting tilt, and very worried about what happens with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment, and state budgets. So much so, that at the moment I can no longer bear to watch Obama’s pressers, Saturday videos, or read much in either the Times or the Washington Post.
So much for hope. Buried in the aftermath of the Obama campaign, the last election, and now this. I never would have imagined we’d find ourselves at this point in 2011, after the surge of expectation in 2008 (even though I was skeptical of the more high-flown rhetoric and excitement).
That would be a case of- “You are what you eat,” n’est-ce pas?
Yah but short of him being caught with him molesting a kid, he’ll still get 70% of the black vote. Even then he’d get 30% of the black vote who’d deny the evidence.
I’m African-American and a liberal. BO can go to hell as far I’m concerned. I made a mistake and went against my principles and voted for him in ’08. NEVER AGAIN!
As for David’s report, I think he has become numb to BO screwing over liberals, progressives, and simply 99% of ordinary Americans again!
It won’t be long before he doesn’t even have to use K Y when he’s bending over for the Republicans. Apparently he enjoys making the “deal” when he’s bent over.
I imagine this is intentionally just a straight up review, not the personal feelings, or lack thereof, of David Dayen.
That said, very disappointed. Any hope that the Medicare and Social Security cuts/changes/alterations were being pushed by the president in these negotiations was just BS, is now gone. He is ready to throw them out there for whatever small gain he hopes to squeeze from Republicans. Well, I don’t think he personally gives a f*ck, he just needs them to budge enough to get enough Democrats to vote along with it to pass.
Writer on on NYT thinks this is the beginning of his campaign. He’s betting on winning over the employed fence sitters who may normally vote Republican by appearing to be a tough guy willing to take on his own party and Republicans to get things done. I’m guessing they know they’re going to lose a chunk of the poor, working class, and left so they’re targeting a new demographic to make up for that loss.
Who needs actual or honest votes to get re-elected? I sincerely doubt his previous CoS got his current gig from pure dem love.
C’est vrai!
Obama just gave his concession speech a year early. This will be known to historians as the sell out speech.
The “maintenance” thing has happened plenty of times.
My hands hurt from wringing over this.
Cutting SS and Medicare in this economic climate is totally irresponsible and every D in Congress and all the high level staff in the white house need to be driven out of office at the end of a (figurative) pitchfork.
When given a choice the electorate will always vote for a real Republican over a faux Republican. The “independents” he’s “courting” want a leader not a mediator. He’s toast.
I take offense with the “eat our peas” line. I like peas. Now if he had said we all have to eat a shit sandwich that would have made more sense.
Maybe he hasn’t seen Last Tango in Paris.
You’ve got it!
Thank God for the real Dems in Wisconsin
Gov. Walker woke up everyone outside of the DC beltway.
Gov. Walker made it clear to every USA citizens there is no such thing as Independents, the mythical middle, etc.
you are either on the Left or Right that is it. No Center
Senate and House Dems in DC, have a decision to make, do you follow Clarence Thomas brother sitting in the WH, or do you follow the DEM base who are following the FDR dems living in Wisconsin.
Unless the “Democrats” wake up and mount a primary challenge to this colossal failure the electorate will have a choice in 2012 of a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.
I tried hard not to listen to what he said, but about 20 minutes into the conference Obushma said that he would be willing to lower tax rates for everybody (yes, even millionaires and billionaires) as long as the tax base was broadened. Did anyone else catch that? It’s a pretty stunning statement, as it means that the poorest and most vulnerable would suffer a horribly regressive change in the tax code.
I happen to like peas, it’s shit I have trouble swallowing.
I can only surmise that Obama knows he’s in over his head and is tired of playing president. He doesn’t care about being re-elected. I hadn’t planned on him destroying what passes for the Democratic Party.
Yeah, I read that Michelle Bachmann is ahead in Iowa.
Anyway they’re not going to scare me into voting for the lesser of two evils again.
South Park: Life imitating art or art illuminating life?
Love the line about laser focus on jobs and investments after all this. He has had 2-1/2 years to do that and nothing but a paltry stimulus that was half tax cuts. And notice no mention of defense and the multiple of wars that is draining our treasury of anything that would stimulate the economy.
And after this is the budget battle where we will be treated to even more spending cuts. This is a never ending train wreck with corrupt cowards calling the shots. We are screwed.
I don’t understand how he can look so sanguine about being the so-called Democratic president that actively destroyed the New Deal and Great Society.
“Obushma” – I haven’t heard that one before. You mind if I add it to my vocabulary?
Eat Our Peas ?!?!?
fuck Reagan, he’s channeling Ike fercrissakes
MOTU’s need to update their auidoanimatronic software STAT!
More political theatre for the unwashed masses. And content trolls.
Got to keep the focus away from the expenditures of Empire, eg, the war budget, foreign aid to dictators of all stripes, internal (“homeland”) security, etc, so that the great unwashed masses think the Villagers are actually doing something to keep them safe from their own shadows.
Well, there’s always the possibility of a military coup to prevent Obama and the Republicans from destroying the social fabric of the country and ultimately the nation as a whole.
How ironic that Sen. Bernie Sanders is the only person standing up for Democratic principles and he isn’t a Democrat.
Bernie Sanders for President!
Ridin’ on the City of New Orleans.
He’s my write in go to guy.
I just could not bring myself to watch that pitiful newsconference. The poor, the sick and the old ones were not listening either. Bye Bye Obama.
Yes! this was a concession speech
People let us not forget this is July 2011
July 2012 the economy is going to be worse!
None of Obama GOP ideas are ever going to work.
David Dayen like a lot of people are amaze at how EVIL Obama really is!
It takes a very, very, evil person to screw everyone that voted for him, over, and over, and over,
the only good news, is that OBAMA is going to start a civil war within the DEM party, that will allow progressives to kick all the blue dogs out.
again we must thank Gov. Walker for ending the concept of the political middle, the political center, etc.
Whenever I hear his voice on the radio or see his smug face on the tube I have to turn it off.
d’accord!
GE doesn’t pay any US taxes. Google and many tech firms only pay taxes at a rate of 2%. Warren Buffet pays at a rate of about 18%. But the corrupt politicians can’t see a way to make them pay are reasonable rate. And how about those hedge fund managers making hundreds of millions of dollars and paying no income tax.
So they want grandma and grandpa eating cat food for dinner, to pay for their illegal wars.
The ‘Debt-Ceiling’ Fiction: Republican PAYMENT Ceiling is Unconstitutional
There is no ceiling on the debt. The debt has already been incurred. Should August 2 come and go without Congressional action, then what Bachmann and other teabaggers like Jim DeMint suggest is that the US can keep paying the interest it owes on its debt, thus avoiding any default on that, while the US picks and chooses which other debts and obligations it will continue or cease to pay at its own discretion …
Article:
The ‘Debt-Ceiling’ Fiction: Republican PAYMENT Ceiling is Unconstitutional
Republicans to pay off Communist China … to hell with US troops, vets and families.
I think we’ll know more tomorrow after Wisconsin’s recall elections.
And then we can all head downstream and on over the Falls together.
Row, row, row your boat.
In Dayen, FDL seems to have found a sturdy four-or-five article a day AP/MOR reporter. . . who is wholly out of tune with the site’s progressive readership.
I’m there too! I fired the remote at the couch after name calling.
It’s been rumored that Republicans are being encouraged to learn Mandarin Chinese. They’ll make more effective collaborators if they can speak the language.
I can’t afford peas in this economy. Maybe eat our spam is more appropriate.
Who would be the lesser evil? A nutjob or a war mongering, poor and elderly hating sack of shit.
If Bachmann and her plan to abolish the minimum wage would serve as a catalyst for the revolution this country has needed for 30 years, she has my vote.
You’ve got Spam?????
Obomba the dronemeister is nothing but a turdblossom. Piehole opens, flowery rhetoric with the pungent odor of cow-dung emitted. So he called your bluff Dem congresscritters, what ya gonna do? Take (possibly fatal) one for the (wannabe) gipper or choose self-preservation? The choice is yours.
Yes. Obama For America called me, too. Right after the president agreed to bring home 5000 troops before xmas. The caller got an earful whenever she tried to present her script on what the president has done since elected. Please, I told her. The people who voted/donated/volunteered for the president aren’t stupid. We know the issues as well as anybody, even better than the average voter. When I railed against the tepid, years long conclusion to Afghanistan, she responded “we’ll continue to press for a better solution.” Who is “we,” I asked. Pause. This is a quote from Nancy Pelosi. Well, that did it. No, no, and no. I’ll wait to see the outcome of these budget talks at the least.
Someone tell the president that painful sacrifice began a long time ago, without the wealthy, including politicians, sharing it. Tax cuts for the wealthy I equate with Bailouts. Where are my bailouts? What good is payroll tax holiday if you’re not on the payroll????
Agreed wholeheartedly!!! A real nut job in the WH and Republicans controlling Congress will finally unite liberals, progressives, radicals, the poor, the working and middle class, unions members, and minorities of all persuasions and maybe some of the vaunted “independents”, whose butts must by now be getting sore from sitting on the fence in opposition to a clearly fascist government. That will be the beginning of a social upheaval that will sweep aside the old order. Woe to the plutocrats left standing.
Read here often?
Go to the archives and read DDay’s volume of work and then say he is a stenographer.
What a snark filled slur on the volume and passion of his work.
What you see is kabuki that writers at FDL predicted long before ANYONE ELSE.
Even if he refuses to go along with it — and he will — I say we build a Bernie for President campaign and make it into something real.
“Eat your peas so I and my rich friends can continue eating our caviar.”
So how is it any different if they raise taxes on the rich or take money away from people on SSMM? I’m sure there is a difference there. Just cant figure it out.
I think I’ll call my state Democratic Party and ask them if there will be a Democrat running for President in 2012.
Unite them until a Democrat is president again (“Anybody but [whoever the Republican president is at the time]!!!”), then we’re right back to where we left off. Simply having a Republican president won’t fix our problems.
Read some more history and you’ll see that there are times in the history of nations when a tipping point is reached and real transformational change becomes inevitable.
yes another shot at the poor, and working people. the Manchurian candidate. we need to review all those old movies to see what’s next for america.
obviously Marie Antionette was/is the Role model for the Republican/Democratic Party. Tweedledee/Tweedledum. the lesser of two evils is still evil
“let them eat cake” updated/American meaning.
I volunteered in the Greens information clearinghouse in the mid 90′s as did another family member. Along with seeing much in the way of intelegent commitment I saw a bit of what NOT to do when forming a political movement.
and based on a study conducted by South Park, elections are typically a choice between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.
Do you have any specific examples?
Significant heat? Really?
Obama has a heat shield built by bankers and wall street.
He’s going to win more adoration from his cheerleaders and bootlickers with his “most reasonable person in the room” ploy.
Remember what Zinn said,
I think people are dazzled by Obama’s rhetoric, and that people ought to begin to understand that Obama is going to be a mediocre president–which means, in our time, a dangerous president–unless there is some national movement to push him in a better direction.
He’d destroy the New Deal to seal a deal with a devil.
I haven’t read the other comments but has anyone noticed that he gave his definition of compromise as one being moving in the opponent’s direction rather than meeting in the middle? Says it all for me.
Don’t forget George Orwell’s work… the New World Order camp hasn’t.
Obama knew as soon as he won that at the very least, he wouldn’t have to worry about winning a primary. It’s all general election strategy and he either doesn’t care about re-election OR he simply doesn’t think his base is a real threat to winning a second term in the general election.
But it doesn’t make sense to woo any tea bag or Republican votes. They are all about team and will NEVER, under any circumstances, vote for him.
Maybe he believes THIS is where the “all important” independents are.
Maybe he just doesn’t have a clue.
That is exactly true. When 15 percent of the work force are unemployed, 85 percent are still employed. The real question, though, is why we wants to be re-elected. With Bush it was always vanity; but what is it with Obama? Does he think he’s the only person that can single-handedly push the US down into a deep hole? There are a lot of candidates that can do that? So why is he running? He’s got no agenda any Democrat would recognize as being Democratic.
Peas are tasty, cheerful vegetables and full of win as far as I am concerned. Sort of like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, which are also full of win.
This President who doesn’t even recognize that trade deals which would cost America jobs is not a means to lowering unemployment is not full of win. This President who does not recognize that the people do not care about the deficit and that he should be making the Republicans fight for their premise is not full of the win. This President who does not recognize that people know that doing nothing will mean that tax rates increase at the same time as his ‘grand bargain’ is not full of win.
This President is not good enough to be a pea.
When is that tipping point for America? There’s plenty of people right now in countries struggling against their governments and the wealthy who control their countries as well. That in itself, a tipping point, is still not a solution. People have to be organized and have to understand and support better alternatives. There’s a lot that needs to be done on the grassroots level for a “tipping point”, or even before that happens, to come to a better outcome in the end.
That’s not how unemployment and employment rates work. The US employment rate is somewhere in the mid to high 60′s, lower than most other leading developed countries.
Eat our peas ?!?!
Fuck Reagan, he’s chaneling Ike ferchrissakes
MOTU ‘s need to update their audioanimatronics STAT !!!
“Organizing” is at times overrated. Actual events on the ground can have a galvanizing effect on how quickly a populace can be “organized.” Look at Egypt.
this is your contribution?
very useful.
Regarding calls to primary the big 0.
A bunch of lunatics, even well meaning ones don’t primarily blame K. Harris, Jeb, the SCOTUS especially including the chief justice, insecure/stupid voting machines/counting, election rigging and I imagine a whole host of other causes and instead blame an unreasonable man.
Obama is rebuilding his brand now. His fan base is still passionate, maybe even more so with every indignity his poor little Presidential self has to face, like having to negotiate the New Deal away to the big old mean angry Republicans.
Whoever challenges him as a Dem will be a pariah. We all know that so I have given up hoping for a challenger. The Party is too broken. Instead, a few people will give him some heat and then he’ll fly them in Air Force One and offer to drop them midway to their destination.
The wealthy and powerful elite have already chosen Barack Obama to get a second term. He has or will have cut and destroyed more social programs than any “Democratic” President in history.
He wants to cut Social Security AND extend the payroll tax holiday, which will further decrease Soc Sec revenue and become an excuse for more cuts. And, of course, when they expire, the Reps will call letting them expire a “tax increase,” following Obama’s usage that you quote here. I really don’t see how this ends well for the Democrats.
That would probably call for a diary entry. I haven’t done that before, but I’ll make an effort to do that soon. Basically, not everyone working for corporations are completely aligned with their agenda and not everyone traipsing around as an activist is aligned with their adopted cause. Brilliant activists and scientists declaring such and such must be changed now only see it has only gotten worse in the past fifteen years. Or, a bit of “spy vs spy” or of “ya go where the money is” to affect change. But, the internet was just starting at that time. A lot has changed as far as the media goes. Some personalities took lots of energy, as is probably always the case. There were noticeable numbers of environmentalists, then, smoking like chimneys. Just sayin’, the old assertion that change starts from within may be true or not, but someone with asthma might have had a hard time participating back then.
Called the state Democratic Party to ask if the Democrats would be running a Presidential candidate in 2012. When she asked, “Someone other than Barak Obama?” I explained why he’s not a Democrat providing a laundry list of reasons. She listened quietly and finally said, “I see what you mean.” I would encourage anyone from Michigan to do the same thing. The number is 517-371-5410.
No, wait: “Obama Antoinette.” That’s better.
and if he doesn’t have a primary challenge it’s the Democratic Party that will be the pariah.
:)
Don’t worry we’ve got Jeffrey Immelt, GE’s CEO, war profiteer, tax evader, and leader in outsourcing American jobs heading up Obama’s Job’s Council.
Ah, nothing like a concern troll to get us going in the morning.
x2.
What could possibly go wrong?
If Obama is so concerned about “people doing nothing,” maybe he should begin taxing that 48% of the population who truly, literally pay nothing in income taxes.
Not the people who are already paying over 50% of the bill. Which is an interesting way to say they are doing nothing. Paying 50% of the entire bill is doing nothing and paying 0% of the entire bill is doing something.
Are we already in 1984 with the double speak?
Is paying absolutely nothing in income tax a “fair share?”
Look how many people here think there is some Dem Party that Obama doesn’t quite fit? Really, it’s both Parties that have gone off the rails. Maybe it’s easier to organize one’s response to the insanity by thinking within a Party system. Bernie Sanders doesn’t. He’s our best example of what we mean by being a Dem and it never seems to sink in that Bernie is saying something profound about these Parties without causing a direct confrontation.
The Parties are rotten to their cores and throwing a few good people at them doesn’t seem to be an answer but you see it again and again here.
Look at Egypt. The revolution is not finished. The army still has power and the grassroots that led the revolution is now weaker than the army and the Muslim Brotherhood in popular support. Twitter and protests alone will not bring about a successful revolution. They can help spur what we have seen, but from there whoever is best organized and able to reach out to the people will have the upper hand in taking power (or eliminating centralized power altogether).
It’s long past time progressives made a commitment to fielding an actual primary challenger, whether its Sanders or somebody else, and made that priority #1.
Where’s the daily campaign from the front page crew highlighting the state of that process? Why isn’t Jane championing the selection of a primary challenger whenever she obtains invaluable airtime? Why isn’t the progressive community translating angst into action by organizing a mob of boots on the ground outside Sanders’ office, shellacking him with moral arguments of the form: “If you really believe in your principles, how can you sit on the sidelines and back a president who obviously doesn’t share them?
If Sanders balks, then you move down the line to Feingold or Grayson until someone’s hat is in the ring. Chronicling why Obama is a disappointment day after day is pointless.
“Eat our peas”…
That’s hilarious, coming from a guy who’s been gnoshing on republican turds for two-and-a-half years.
equally useful, thanks for your contribution as well.
“whoever is best organized and able to reach out to the people” – Exactly! Remember to engage with artists. They can have a powerful influence.
It IS past time to make the committment, but so far, there are precious few democratic pols willing to join us.
I think that is going to change, and then we can talk about whom we want.
For now, we just need to let Obama and the rest of the sellouts know that we’re on to them, and there’s not going to be a free ride to a second term.
Is there any moderation on these boards? I have emailed and asked until I’m blue in the face
I am going to stop posting here if something is not done and done soon.
There is not even any way to alert in these threads.
DON’T get into debt that threatens the organization. DON’T make a policy decision based on personalities. DON’T believe that all that is needed is commitment and get depleted. DON’T discount chaos. DON’T forget the importance of a sustainable food system. DON’T forget that powerful corporations will bring MANY resources to bare to work to destroy any progressive efforts.
I wonder if the timing is the key for this particular Obama defecation?
Could be an attempt to depress turnout in Wisconsin tomorrow. Walker losing the state Senate would be a de facto rejection of everything that Obama has stood for since he was elected.
Expect Obama to be the billion dollar man.
There isn’t a challenger who wants to become the pariah. None of those people intend to challenge him, wanna bet on it?
The Dem Party is split but most will back Obama out of fear if nothing else.
I know that sounds frustrating or stupid but no one browbeats Dems as well as Obama. And he’s got the image thing and a huge fan base to support him as well.
Prove me wrong and I will support a challenger in a heart beat. I’d go so far as to say support Republican efforts to field their best candidate so we don’t get an outright monster who will be easy for Obama to beat or if in a more serious crisis may just be the protest vote winner.
DON’T forget your etymology… :)
Asking the middle class and the poor to pay more isn’t going to work because we’re broke. Wages have been flat for years, our homes are worth less than we paid for them, and more than 16 percent of us are unemployed or underemployed.
1) Interesting we saw no passion for reforms to Wall st yet we see passion for gutting SS Medicare and Medcaid
2) If you’re a progressive who cares about the integrity of Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid, then we have an obligation to make sure we make those changes required to make it sustainable on those terms
How about getting rid of the cap and allowing Medicare/Medicaid to neg for lower prices? How about adding more workers into the SS system? How about allowing workers to put more money in SS Medicare Medicaid of they want to?
3) How about forcing Wall st to return the trillions YOU gave them and having that money go into stimulus and debt reduction?
4) Why not? Because you, your party and the gOP are bought by Wall st!!!!!!!!
It is frustrating, especially the cheap shots at DD. Have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. I have walked away from reading the discussions a few times as well lately. Would be nice to know if there was an official statement somewhere, link please? The knuckleheads are probably going to pound this place hard as Obama continues to ramp up.
Thanks. I will.
True, Dems and Repukes both are selling us to the financial terrorists. Most people agree with you about that.
Might want to put a number to the trillions?
U.S. Rescue May Reach $23.7 Trillion, Barofsky Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aY0tX8UysIaM
Expect that number to go higher.
You’re right. Obama for America likes to talk about a “grassroots” campaign, but the truth is Obama expects to get re-elected based on corporate cash and fear of Republicans. Hope and Change no longer operative.
Obama is a self obsessed lunatic.
The biggest fraud in political history.
The Democrats and Republicans are working hand in hand to destroy Democracy.
It’s just as much astroturf as the Tea Party.
I was an OFA organizer, unpaid though, and my paid colleague said about his habitual mistreatment of volunteers, there will always be more.
He continued as paid after the election and the organization is a joke except in the few instances where they challenged the orders they’d been given.
OFA even got our daily phone banking group thrown out of the offices which we had access to because they wanted us to scrub a bunch of dead lists for weeks instead of doing real calls to actual voters and GOTV with daily match backs from the auditor’s office. OFA demanded we use their lists and many days would not even show up with the lists and when they did were often the same damn lists from the day before. It was absolutely disgusting. I could explain all the details but I will say this, other OFA groups experienced the same problems and we went rogue, doing a real GOTV effort in the 10 days before the election at least until we were thrown out at 3 days before the election because OFA got a contract signed with the office last minute and then used that leverage to damage our relationship with the offices we had been volunteered but did not want to be pulled into a drama by the paid Obama OFA organizer. The rot went up the chain of command. I know, I pursued it. I am too angry to even explain that clearly but hope it made some sense.
I’m not talking about the cheap shots at DD – those are annoying and stupid.
What I’m talking about is far worse and is downright repugnant. I have alerted where possible to no avail and I have emailed so now I am asking openly.
Where are the Moderators ?
Censorship is NOT the answer to anything.
I agree with you… except the primary part.
A primary challenge… even if it were successful whould only get us another corrupt Democrat.
The time has come to rally behind an Independent or a third-fourth-50th party candidate.
We can no longer participate or validate the Democratic party… it is nothing more than a corrupt organization… just like the Republican party.
People have heartfelt and deeply felt anger and resentment… and an overwhelming feeling of betrayal by Obama and the Democrats… get used to it.
Once again censorship is NOT an answer to anything. In another glaring example of Democrats being no better than Republicans… you now preach censorship.
My guess is that you work for the Democratic party and are attempting censorship and trying to “control” the dialog.
You have FEAR… thats all you got.
I very much appreciate David’s almost noncommital recap of Obama’s speech because important as it is for us to know what the supposed leader of the free world has to say, an increasing number of us have difficulty even seeing a photograph of this man. It’s visceral, no doubt about it, and it isn’t going to go away any time soon. Yet, we need to know, as unpleasant as it is to digest, that he really doesn’t have a clue.
I wouldn’t call that eating my peas – gee, it’s ages since I ate peas, wonderful veggies. I mostly eat greens these days because I can grown them – peas take cool weather and moisture, none of that here these days. My pea vines have frizzed and gone into the compost heap. I would love to eat more peas.
I agree with a poster up there in the ’80′s that the bit about the payroll tax is the huge deal here, as well as the comment that letting that cut expire is ‘raising’ taxes. Good grief, all he has to do is keep cutting THAT tax and there will be NO Social Security. Not to mention that the folks still with a payroll won’t see the benefit – you can bet it is just a good reason for employers to also cut wages. Gotta maintain the status quo, ya know.
Here’s something straight from the mouth of a local tv newsreader last night: “People should find a balance between cutting their household expenses and allowing the country’s economy to grow.”
Find a balance. Eat your peas.
Thank you, David. I took my codliver oil.
Not snark at all–straightforward criticism. Given the similar criticisms above, I would submit that others think the same. (You’re right that I am a relative newby, but my criticism stands or falls on its veracity, no?)
“Kabuki” is not usually a descriptor the left throws at phenomena they admire. What is the reason why the OP should resort to such theatrics here? I fail to understand.
No. They are working hand in hand to destroy people and their families. It’s personal.
I would agree on the “personal” part and it’s affect…
I would add… most people dont have the slightest idea of how politicians think. Politicians are con artists… they see themselves as superior to others and in fact they see others with contempt and feel that others deserve their contempt… because of their inferiority.
Thats the way politicians see us… as inferior, as suckers to be taken advantage of . So the play us and treat us with contempt. They see themselves deserving of riches and power… and see the rest of us as not deserving of anything. They are self obsessed scoundrels… with an evil attitude toward everyone else.
obama has really gotten on my last nerve. he is still playing mr nice. what he needs to do is channel his innerbush/cheney and get to gettin is what i say.
you cannot talk nice to the gop. what do you have to say to him to get it through his thick skull. he needs to come right out and say america, the gop are behaving like terrorists. they want this country’s economy to collapse because they are protecting the wealthy. they want you to sacrifice while they wealthy increase their income. do not let this happen. here are your congressmen/women who are insisting that the rich not pay more in taxes, and loopholes not be closed.
if you disagree with your reps stance, telephone, email, fax, etc. and get the message out that you do not approve. the gop are making this a crisis cuz they side with the 98% over the 2%.
… but a primary challenge might get us the space we need to get the ball rolling on alternatives…
Ah, a gardener! I love back yard and window gardening. I really, really love growing peas, but my neighbors really enjoy using lawn services that use synthetic estrogen type chemicals that they overspray into my yard, that’s actually illegal here, and deform my lovely peas. I could request that they not overspray, but that won’t be much of an improvement. I’ve asked the applicators what they are using. Stay away from pyrethroids if at all possible. YIKES.
So, eat your peas, Mr. President? In reality, maybe not always such a good idea.
… yes, we are all too familiar with Obama’s 2012 campaign platform.
Worst Ever
My limited understanding is that actually the protestors that made the actions in Egypt so successful have been honing their strategy skills for years. They made good choices by networking, education, and priorities.
Shorter President Zero
these types are now polluting “climateprogress” with their ignorance, (communist plot, no warming, no peak oil, god will deal with it etc) and it is ruining the comment section of that site, where a lot of information was posted, in addition to the original post.
they have to do something there, it was a good part of the reason I went to their site.
more of it here as well, some kind of financial push going on.
“Let them eat cake” is a phrase that has an interesting history. I think it’s worth a read.
Normally I don’t think you’re a troll, but this time …
Here’s The Rest of the Story
Link
the corporate media and the dems in DC ignore the left this will lead to their own peril and demise
milions and millions of people did not vote Dem in 2008 expecting the following
obama/bush tax cuts
more wars
another great depression
forcing people to buy healthcare
and now OBAMA pours more gas on the fire
the idea of cutting social security, medicare, medicade, etc. etc.
Obama has done nothing for the Left
this is becoming a very, very, explosive situation.
the left is giving up 4 trillion
and the GOP is giving up nothing?
and let us not forget the current DEPRESSION we are in.
Do you think the left is in a good mood
ask Gov. Walker? don’t ignore the Gov. Walker effect on national politics.
there is no middle in USA politics, U can thank Gov. Walker for this
Just re-read the thread.
My comment stands. Thanks for your concern.
yes, zapkitty. I’ve been thinking for some time that the real Democrats, if there are any left, should put up a real Democratic candidate, one who would publicly airl progressive issue, show voters how miserably O has failed and point us back in the right direction. No, this candidate would not win but this candidate might be the individual around whom a new Democratic Party forms. The old one is dead.
I meant- “Thanks. I won’t.” : )
You make the wrong assumption
Remember in 2008, when OBAMA acted like he was a progressive and Dem won the House and Senate in a landslide
the USA is not a conservative nation, the USA just has a conservative media machine.
poll after, poll says people love the views of the LEFT.
Obama did not run on the idea cutting medicare,
social security
medicade
more wars
bush tax cuts
Barry-0 is probably counting on the vote suppression schemes that occur in the urban (Dem) areas. So, he counts on the more “moderate” Republicans in the burbs voting for him over some assclown teabagger. So, he may win, but on a smaller vote. For me, as it stands, I hope Bachmann gets it and I will then vote for her. Hope she wins to unleash the crazy to wake up the country. If it’s one of the slicker ones, like Pawlenty of nuthin’, or flip-flop Mitch, well… that is not much different than Obama. They are labeled Republican however, so at least they will take the blame for the messes they mostly created.
When bush was in office we actually had a fairly united liberal/progressive movement that helped sweep Barry-0 in. I would rather have that as an oppostiion than a “democratic” TROJAN that has split the movement with his snake oil and resurrected a Republican Party that was knocked sensless in 2008. Fucking rediculous!!
Moderation to what? What are you specifically concerned about? Specific examples, please.
What would make you think that getting reelected is anywhere near the top of Obama’s to-do list?
One thing that should truly frighten anyone thinking about the forces we are facing is that our opponents have essentially limitless money and vast power wherever that money can reach… which these days is just about everywhere this side of death’s door.
Obama will dance the steps of the presidential kabuki in his spare time but killing the New Deal is what he was sent to D.C. to do and nothing will be allowed to interfere with that… after all is said and done that is what his real job is.
yes,.
Like the article.
Not lucid. Why should someone write “kabuki” rather than illumnate–in as straightforward and (in this case) hard-hitting a fashion as possible? I will leave a final response to you. Don’t think there is a persuasive one to be made. Just a misuse of the term.
apparently, there is clique of democratic party loyalists that honestly belive (or not) that obama is genuinely trying to be the bestest new new deal civilrightsworkingclassjobsandhealthcare preznit he can be. AND many of them hear some lil thing that Jane hamsher says on the dillan ratigan show and then search for her site and when they find it, the’re shocked, SHOCKED to discover its been “overrun” by “trolls” and needs “moderation” desparately.
Ah.
Am I to take it, then, that this “clique of D loyalists” has failed to notice anything out of the ordinary about the party’s standard bearer these past four years?
And not even the video evidence of Obama openly calling for cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid while simultaneously giving yet even more tax breaks to billionaires has set off warning bells in their heads?
What? Did they get bored posting about the “Joys of Austerity” over the past year at dkos?
“He concluded that getting the deficit conversation out of the way would enable the country to move with a laser focus to jobs and investment.”
If you let me cut the boomers Social Security and Medicare then we can stop talking about these silly deficits and I will have plenty of your money to spend on worthless government makework jobs that I think up like the $900 billion dollar stimulus programs unshovelready projects.
Then its on to the 2012 campaign where I will once again run on ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and a public option!
“Joys of Austerity” – good stuff.
The Big 0′s brand rises above his actions. Think all the corporations that liberal-wannabes support the image while the goods they buy are made by enslaved or utterly abused workers.
0 associated himself with youth, cool and how can anyone clinging to 2 bit hope resist him?
I believe most of the people who say they support him know deep down what many of us know. I’m almost sympathetic, what’s the alternative for people who don’t have a clue but to cling to whatever hope even if it is false. His win was historic, his governing not so much.