When you watch the above video, keep in mind that it’s happening in the midst of a high-stakes negotiation that could be ended tomorrow with a simple increase in the debt limit, something that wouldn’t even take off the table a “grand bargain” of deficit reduction, since that could conceivably play out in the 2012 budget, which expires in September.
Obama: This is not just a matter of Social Security checks. These are veteran’s checks, these are folks on disability and their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out each month. I can not guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
In the context of this negotiation, I would say that this is the last card you play, the one you play when everything else hasn’t worked. The President tried giving the Republicans almost everything they claim to want, he tried accommodation, I’m not he’s tried this level of fear.
$23 billion in Social Security checks need to go out August 3rd. The current estimate of tax receipts coming in that day is around $12 billion. It’s just a math problem. If the President is unwilling to take steps like coin seigniorage or the Constitutional option, if the debt limit really is a limit with no extraordinary measures left, $12 billion is not enough to pay out those checks.
If the President has failed to create the impression that a lack of increase of the debt limit would constitute a national crisis, I think he just blew past that now.
Of course, given the topsy-turvy nature of the negotiations over the past week or so, we don’t know who this threat is really directed at. Probably all of Congress in equal measure. Again, they could all end this manufactured crisis tomorrow by sending over a bill to increase the debt limit, period.



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At least this is evidence one can point to when anybody makes the argument that Obama is a hapless victim of DC and/or Congress.
Lets see – we will pay the Chinese their interest, pay the MIC their contracts, pay all of the states their block funding, and we will NOT pay seniors their social security checks. If Obama does that, he is toast.
If Social Security checks don’t go out and the Congress still collects their pay … there will be riots in the street.
It would be ILLEGAL for Obama not to send out Social Security checks. If the debt limit is not raised, Obama can still pay for the social security checks by minting coins. This would be perfectly legal, whereas defaulting would not.
I wrote diary about this yesterday here. We should demand Obama abide by the law and not default!
This minting $500 Billion or $1 Trillion dollars, would be economically identical to Quantitative Easing.
Will the wars run out of money stop too? Of course not!
He’s full of crap. He’s just trying to scare people. This should be beneath him
Obama is supposed to be a Constitutional scholar and so intelligent that he plays 11th dimensional chess. Exactly what constitution would that be, because I did not know that the USSR had one? He did, however, spend time at the University of Chicago, that monument to Milton Friedman Economic Theory, the destroyer of sovereign nations.
Obama, most of the Democrats, and all of the Republicans are the enemy. Got it? Ok.
Correction…there will be lots of severely injured congressman.
Question. Is it congress that controls Social Security paymensts or the Executive Branch?
We have a lying scumbug of a President.
“I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue,” Obama said in an interview with CBS, according to a transcript on the network’s web site. “Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,” Obama said.”
Is that so Mr. President? Please explain then how according to the most recent DTS the YTD (fiscal) amount paid out on Social Security is $469 billion, well below the amount collected from Federal Tax Deposits of $780 billion.
The scumbag spent the money on other things, that’s why.
Dreeeaaaaammmmmm ON!
I would so love to agree with you, but sadly I disagree. If Soc Sec checks don’t go out – and IF the millionaires in Congress continue to collect their fabulous pay checks & gold-plated health care benefits – US citizens will do: BUPKISS! NADA! ZIP!!
And THAT is the even bigger problem than Obama and his sh*tting on Seniors and the rest of the lower 98%.
No protest? Eh – then get ready to be sh*t on more. Count on it.
Duly noted that I’m still getting pernicious LYING emails from the crapuluous spoogebuckets at the DCCC LYING to me that it’s all the “Tea Party’s fault” that Soc Sec is going to be cut.
I wrote them back a piece of my mind, and believe it was way more than a sternly worded letter. It is galling how out-front the so-called “Democrats” are anymore with their bald-faced LIES. Sadly breathtaking. Bastards!
Absolutely. This is repellant.
Talking Points Memo is reporting that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell now says the GOP ought to go ahead and raise the debt limit without conditions.
Any comment from Cantor on that plan?
Obama takes a leaf from Paulson playbook and does ‘the sky will fall in” fear BS.
since the Fed Reserve prints money from thin air and has no problem giving trillions to banks and pumping stock market with QE. just get the fed to print the money. It is all made up anyway
Naw, this is just the lead-in for kabuki denouement: The President and Rep. Boehner tried to sell their 15th fairway bargain, it didn’t work, Boehner and the House Rs have the bigger downside and blinked first, and President Obama’s announcement provides
distractioncover for Rep. Boehner’s retreat and, so hopes the President (and Boehner), the accumulation of enough votes somehow to raise the debt limit.And, too, it’s repellant also.
It’s so nice to see the real and meaningful differences between the two major parties. One wants to rob those of us who depend on the government’s monthly check for our entire income; the other wants us to know we may not be able to depend on the next check.
Much nicer.
Check, schmeck. My SS is a direct deposit to my bank, electronic transfer. My bank needs and depends on that deposit more than I do, and I depend on it a lot.
What an asshole. He didn’t give a shit about how much went to Wall Street
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/20/cbsnews_investigates/main5175781.shtml
now i see why,why Fred TurdThompson did so well in Hollywood…all play acting….mediocre,but acting never the less
Not yet, this is minutes old. IMHO Rep. Cantor got in over his head, and found out that you can’t win a negotiation by refusing to negotiate.
infradig
He seems to be saying that unless we accept his sacrifice of Social Security in the future he will allow cutting off the checks immediately. This is beyond immoral. And the response should go beyond not voting for him, but for actively working for his defeat.
I’m starting to feel the same way about O as I did about W.
The president should just threaten to not pay congress their checks and medical benefits, like Minnesota just did!
yeaH he and his wife repulse me…hey champagne WISHES and caviar dreams…
for a long time
new AD
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The plan appears designed to get Obama officially on the hook for Medicare and SS cuts.
Here’s the 2011 Social Security Benefit Payment Calendar (PDF).
MSNBC:
“The GOP plan would require that Obama submit spending cuts along with his borrowing requests. … The new mechanism would take the place of the current White House debt negotiations among congressional leaders and Obama.”
STARTING? Catch up, willya!! /s
LOL, how familiar are you with Cantor’s investments? Seeing as he has a short position on U.S. treasuries, he’ll be laughing all the way to the bank if we default. One can imagine that from Cantor’s perspective, he can’t lose in a default:
1. he will literally make money that way
2. he will look like the Messiah to the Tea Party, currently the most powerful faction in the Republican Party
3. he will think that this gives House Republicans a running start at simply shutting down all those icky bits of government that they don’t like
Cantor has nothing to gain and quite a lot to lose by cooperating with O and the establishment faction of the Republican party.
I agree with you
Obama is looking for the exit!
Obama, Boehner, and McConnell came up with this idea, to save OBAMA
because apparently some Dem house members had come up with a similar idea
Obama’s acronym, as President, is POTUS. Its past time to drop the “TU” and refer to him, officially and truthfully, as POS.
i would like to know…what Obamas mother in law,thinks of NOT putting SS checks in the mail
he is ABUSSIVE,that behavior is abusive to a senior citizen
No there won’t.
I hope this wakes up any seniors
who aren’t paying attention.
oops…gotta go…bbl
damn right ,ive been ranting about seniors waking the heck up!!!
I’m already there, couldn’t stand the sight of Bush and can’t stand the sight of Obama
Who is Obama’s audience?
It seems like Obama is trying to scare people most especially Social Security recipients into panicking and supporting his $4 trillion plan that includes cutting Social Security.
late to this thread but;
what a maggot
social security has NOTHING to do with the debt, IT IS IN THE BLACK
what the FRIG, this is comming from the man who GUARANTEED he’d be reducing social security before he took office
THIS IS THE SHOCK DOCTRINE
obama MUST BE PRIMARIED!!!
HOW ABOUT THIS MR. OBAMA;
“obama warns state checks who voted against raising the debt ceiling WILL not go out unless the debt limit is raised”
HOW ABOUT THAT MR 11TH level chess genous?
what a maggot
let’s get this guy UNelected even IF it means putting a republican in office
let me remind everyone
OBAMA CAUSED THE DEBt CEILING “CRISIS” and he did it DELIBERATELY
let me remind everyone else what his intentions were long before he took office;
see that?
he NEVER had ANY intention of NOT raiding OUR assets and giving OUR money to the RICH
that was his plan
PRIMARY THIS CORPORATIST
please
He’s trying to portray the Republicans as worse than himself, and justify his proposal for cutting benefits as a better deal than not receiving them at all.
I think he also promised to work for peace, justice, jobs and accountability. Plus there were a few more issues that he had.
But Big Zero has no issues and the Democratic Party has no issues. At least the Teabaggers promise Fascism, while Obama just gives Fascism to us. Oh yes, Obama has no issues so he blames the “Progressives and Liberals” same as his hero Reagan
No. If Obama does that *I* am toast.
That would be more appropriate than threatening seniors, but the elite class are never held accountable for anything.
does any of OBAMA actions dealing with debt ceiling help him in 2012? NO
Obama is basically writing his concession speech
the elderly are the most informed voters in the USA
playing kabuki games with them is crazy!!!
this OBAMA shock docrine plot is falling a part big time.
So Obama is holding senior citizens hostage by saying unless they agree to have Social Security cut in the future, they’re not going to get their Social Security checks now. Extorition is illegal when regular people attempt it.
Aug 3rd? Not necessarily so. SS checks go out at different times tied to things like Third Wed of the month which for August will be the 17th.
WTF! And, since when do receipts for the month cover SS? What receipts? SS is in the black.
Your analysis cannot be denied. A progressive just wouldn’t have done all the things Obama has done during his first term. At every step he has chosen to fortify the oligarchy at the expense of the poor and the Middle Class. Even if he backs down from his trial balloon, what self-respecting progressive could ever trust him again? I guess that’s the question, do we have any self-respecting progressives in congress anymore? Listening to Grijalva on Democracy Now today, I got a sick, sinking feeling that he is winding up for another cave of the Progressive Caucus, even as he denies it after being prompted by Goodman that many progressives already think they will. Things have sunk to these levels principally because of the failure of progressives to oppose Obama, who clearly acts more like like Bush than even LBJ. I found it most repugnant, in this regard, to hear last night that Grayson announced he is running for congress again, is against SSN and Medicare cuts, but refuses to criticize Obama under the pretext that he is still a member of the Democratic Party. I think that says a whole bunch about Grayson and the Democratic Party.
“I found it most repugnant, in this regard, to hear last night that Grayson announced he is running for congress again, is against SSN and Medicare cuts, but refuses to criticize Obama under the pretext that he is still a member of the Democratic Party. I think that says a whole bunch about Grayson and the Democratic Party.”
Definitely curbs my enthusiasm for Grayson.
Obama isn’t remotely serious about confronting the Republicans unless he declares his willingness to enforce the 14th Amendment.
You know, that meaningless bit of scribble written on that scrap of paper called the Constitution that he swore to uphold?
this is why we need third party action.
simple solution; GOP passes short term increase. Obama either goes back on his word to veto it, or, does veto it and gets the sole blame for triggering the SS crisis.
What’s the amount on the checks going out to military contractors on that date?
How much could we save by pulling troops home from Europe, let alone Iraq, Afghanistan?
How many drones could we not-buy for $23 billion?
What payments to the IMF or World Bank are scheduled around that time, and in what amounts? Why not renege on them?
How much aid to Israel is scheduled to go out the door that day?
And we know how well that worked out with TARP and all.
Fool me once . . .
Never look back, doncha know!
recipe for disaster (capitalism)…
Since I am a recipient of Social Security benefits does this mean I won’t have to pay my bills after Aug. 2?
Looks like Reid is onboard now to support SS and MA cuts if Rs agree to grand bargain:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/171009-in-shift-reid-open-to-social-security-changes-in-debt-deal
According to jay carney the Rs and the Ds are looking for a way to both hold hands and jump for the “grand bargain” and then, take the blame together:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/07/obama-republicans-meet-on-debt—-plot-endgame-/1
This is not Obama’s fault so stop blaming him he is trying to help you idiots this is all the Republicans fault so they can make him look bad don’t you people see what they are doing they are the bad ones not the President.
Obama himself proposed cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and raising the eligibility age for Medicare to 67.
That was a proposal from OBAMA himself. Not the Republicans. Not the Democrats in Congress, but OBAMA himself.
Yet we’re not supposed to blame him for wanting to cut Social Security??? Are you serious???
Just like we’re not supposed to blame him for continued torture?? Congress didn’t make him do that.
Assassinating American citizens?? Congress didn’t make him do that.
Start another war (Libya)?? Congress didn’t make him do that, in fact, it was supposed to be ONLY Congress that can do that.
Continued renditions and indefinite detentions with no habeaus corpus??? Who made him do that??
No one here is blaming Obama for things he’s not accountable for. But for things he’s accountable for, he should be held accountable. Just like holding the Republicans accountable for voting to end Medicare as we know it, Obama must be held accountable for proposing to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and lowering the eligibility age for Medicare. Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to be?
Veterans checks go out on the 1st, which is BEFORE the 3rd. So it would be September 1st before the VA checks would be affected.
Frankly, every congress person better be deferring their salary if they aren’t going to send out the trillions of dollars they owe to Social Security recipients.
He loses long term though because when this comes to the attention of his constituents that he’s benefitting from withholding money they paid in good faith into a system…..it isn’t going to be pretty. Virginia is a retiree state, lots and lots of older voters here.
Oh and double whammy because many of them are military retirees.
Wake up for chrissakes!
Obama proposed it…
First of all it’s illegal not to issue the Social Security checks. This is just another ploy to frighten the American people into accepting cuts to benefits that do not need to be made at all. These jackasses are just playing games with us as usual.
Yes we need to punish them in 2012 by not re-electing Obama. Believe me whatever we do things are going to get worse and worse, neither side is worth spit, we need a whole New Deal.
This is a great victory for Obama.
He gets to associate the debt with social security.
I thought it was supposed to be a trust fund, not something a cynical President can hold hostage. Seniors are on the chopping block and Obama and his human shield, the Republican Party, are out for blood.
List for yourselves all the ways he is making an effort to undermine social security, then do something, some small defiance, anything.
Well said forest.
You can bet on it…if this creep gets a second term,social security will be history as we know it.”If it ain’t broke why fix it”,if folks can’t see through that basic con,well how sad.
Of course the Corporate progressives on TV,the Elites(Those that do propaganda for the Democratic party) are shouting loud how masterful Obama is.
Obama seems to think that all of the anger over this will be turned on the Republicans. Is he right?