The headlines will blare today about the rough appropriation of an Australian soap opera that occurred in the White House last night, with Eric Cantor’s ego deeply bruised and glasses fogged, after the President reportedly said “I have reached the point where I say enough. Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I’ve reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this… Eric, don’t call my bluff. I’m going to the American people with this,” and walked out of the room. Problem for Cantor is that the meeting was wrapping up anyway, and it wasn’t as angry and abrupt as he made it sound, others in the room allege.
But there were several actual pieces of progress toward an agreement.
• Depending on what accounts you believe, the White House and Republicans identified somewhere between $1.5-$1.7 trillion in spending reductions, mostly from the discretionary budget (with nothing from entitlements), that came out of the Biden talks. The Democrats want to supplement that with revenue increases to get to the $2 trillion benchmark that has for some reason been tied dollar-for-dollar to an increase in the debt limit to get through 2012. Republicans are adamantly opposed to those revenues. And that’s the impasse.
• Republicans also think the number from the Biden talks has downshifted to $1.5 trillion from $2 trillion. The Republican leadership, wary of the perception that they were rooked on the 2011 appropriations deal, thinks the White House is playing games with the numbers and clearly doesn’t trust them. Complicating this further is that neither side will put down their deal on paper, at least not yet.
• The decision on whether to persist with this impasse or abandon it and try to figure out some way to increase the debt limit has to come by Friday, according to the President.
• There are varying reports of stimulative measures being discussed as part of the final deal, basically extending the same two that expire at the end of the year – the payroll tax cut, and unemployment insurance. While you can argue that one or both are OK stimulus, as an extension of current law, they would add no stimulus on net.
• But all of this may be a moot point, because of what Paul Kane and Lori Montgomery note starting in paragraph 10 of their story.
Senior leaders in both parties, however, have begun to look outside the White House meetings for a solution, showing increasing interest in a Senate strategy that could use McConnell’s proposal to temporarily bypass House Republicans.
Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is working with McConnell on this approach. Aides said the two are discussing a strategy that would pair McConnell’s debt-limit proposal with at least $1.5 trillion in spending cuts identified through bipartisan talks that Vice President Biden has led in recent weeks.
The deal also could create a committee of 12 lawmakers who would be assigned with identifying trillions of dollars in additional savings. The panel’s recommendations would be fast-tracked to votes in the House and the Senate and would not be subject to amendment, a process similar to the one Congress uses for closing military bases.
So instead of McConnell’s plan, which just increases the debt limit, Harry Reid is trying to add the Obama spending cuts to that plan, and a Catfood Commission II to deal with tax and/or entitlement reforms, with binding recommendations that get an up-or-down vote.
And why is this, when Republicans from John McCain to Tom frickin’ Coburn are on board with the McConnell plan as is, and the House is softening themselves, with Cantor (the New Leader) for the first time agreeing to take multiple votes?
Well, passage in the House isn’t a slam dunk, to be sure. And the McConnell plan would have difficulties in both chambers and in both parties, though that’s why they call it a last resort. But Obama reiterated that his “strong preference is not just to raise the debt ceiling but also to take significant steps to restrain borrowing.” As I’ve said repeatedly, by his own words, he wants to use this as a leverage point. The family of the hostage victim has become the hostage taker. So you have to believe that this Reid/McConnell deal, which mandates spending cuts even though the Republican leader in the Senate took them off the table, is being tailored to placate a Democratic President.
Still, I’m not sure that this gets done, either. The President’s entire contention with Cantor yesterday was that revenue must be included in the deal. Democrats in the House have said they won’t guarantee a single vote without revenues. That bargaining position has worked to put Republicans completely on their back feet. And with John Boehner estimating that at least 60 of his caucus won’t vote for any debt limit increase, House Democrats have plenty of leverage of their own.
So while Moody’s threatens a debt downgrade and futures on canned goods and ammunition skyrocket, it’s hard to argue with their analysis. The next 48 hours will be crucial as to whether we get a distasteful and harmful deal, or something that would at least avert catastrophe.






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Krugman:
At the rate he’s going, he’ll soon be slightly to the right
of the average Republican member of Congress.
And I wonder who among the leg-med or the veal pen will call Obama out on this latest treachery?
Since from before his candidacy for President, Obama has been determined to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. This is true regardless of what Cantor or anyone else wants or says.
It does not particularly matter to Obama if he’s reelected or not as long as he finishes the job he was hired to do… and that job is to be the Democrat that kills off the last remnants of the safety nets, the New Deal and the middle class.
Interesting.
It’s also possible that Cantor’s now considering multiple votes could reflect new confidence that the same “No” will result each time. My hunch is that the fogged glasses may be a premature observation. We’ll see.
Is it offbase to wonder if part of the GOP strategy is to force Obama to attempt the 14th Amdt nuclear option (or at least move in that direction)? It might explain some of what they’ve been doing lately.
S&P just weighed in, saying essentially that ANY check not sent out would constitute default. Default would not be limited merely to failure to pay principal or interest. It would include the light bill and anything else. That wasn’t so when Gingrich shut things down.
So, extend that logic (ad absurdum, but fun). I think that means the feds can’t even turn a trick with a “chained CPI” going forward. Any takers? Throw me a rope.
God help the American people. This deal is going to throw the country into a hair-raising depression. The Confidence Fairy can go fuck herself.
Great quote by Krugman!
Obama political team must be as dumb as Palin?
I ask some of my African American buddies, did African Americans like Reagan? because OBAMA seems to love Ronald Reagan, they said 95% of African Americans hate Ronald Reagan
and they are starting to shake their heads in disgust at OBAMA actions. the idea of a black man, treating Ronald Reagan like a hero is not acceptable.
Like Krugman statement says Obama has become more Republican than Reagan.
the deal OBAMA offerred the GOP gave the GOP 83% of what they asked for, and the Dems got 17% of wishes that may happen or not happen?
Someone needs to ask David Plouffe how is OBAMA going to brand himself in 2012? Is he going to run as Ronald Reagan?
Union members heads must be about to explode? the idea of Dem president loving Ronald Reagan is a little to much for them to handle I would think.
One Union member I spoke to, says most of his members hate OBAMA more than they hated Bush and Clinton.
More Cowbell and more Berlusconi please.
you nailed it here!
Obama has no intentions of winning in 2012
his only mission and purpose was to kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade.
thus his creation of the Catfood Commission led by two people who hate Social Security and the New Deal.
a below avg real Democrat would have focus on the Economy, the Economy, if he or she wanted to get re-elected.
Obama is intentionally doing things that are anti Democrat, and anti political for a real democrat.
History will call OBAMA what he is and what a lot of people are starting to call him today, a Trojan Horse, developed by Goldman Sachs to kill the New Deal
Keith Olbermann already calls OBAMA the 3rd Bush administration.
Obama is in the spot he wants to occupy. This is part of who he is. We’ve seen him act like this on health care reform, on national security-surveillance matters, on constitutional issues, on nearly everything. The guy is a freakin rightwinger, a hardline neoliberal and a war criminal.
He’s definitely not a wimp. If only he had affirmed the interests and well-being of the “lesser people.” But that’s not who he is. He’s a highly competent and accomplished member of Galbraith’s predator class.
This show of games has gone on long enough. It is time to simply raise the debt ceiling and take those tax and revenue issues through the process of Congress as they should be done!
Why do the Dems and this President allow the repugs to use every single opportunity to force legislature on us that hasn’t been vetted through the correct processes of government? Could it be that like Cantor, they are all betting against the country?
I can’t wait to hear Larry O’Donnell explain this. It’s just so confusing!
The problem faced by all American politicians is to do the bidding of their sponsors and blame it on the other party. Bush III has insisted that entitlement “reform” would be a hallmark of his administration, and it looks like he’ll get it, but now he and the rest of the Democrats will also have to accept the blame.
Pete Peterson will be pleased with him but FDLers will not. Lawence O’Donnell will still be calling him brilliant. And, the Obamabots at the Great Orange Satan will blame the lack of support from the professional left.
Did you know that 1.7 trillion of our debt is from the FED buying Treasuries. In other words, we borrowed money from ourselves and called it debt. Ron Paul says the FED should just give the Treasuries back and we have no debt ceiling problems. No one can find fault with his logic. Either our government is dumb or did they set this up to kill Social Security and Medicare – perhaps both. Anyway below is a link to one of the many articles on Paul’s idea.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/ron-pauls-surprisingly-lucid-solution-to-the-debt-ceiling-impasse
…you have to believe that this Reid/McConnell deal, which mandates spending cuts even though the Republican leader in the Senate took them off the table, is being tailored to placate a Democratic President.
Fuck them and fuck their “deal”.
Obama:
What a nightmare that Obama still thinks that Americans care about process and bipartisanship so that “something” gets “done” in DC. And that to him “resolving real problems” means cutting spending and the safety net.
The only way to get the debt under control.
1. Put and end to imperial militarism.
2. Enact a government run health system and end for profit health care.
3. End Oil, Gas and Coal subsidies.
4. Remove all tax loop holes and restore the marginal tax of 70% on the
wealthiest.
That is just a beginning.
fine summary here. He has never appeared to be a wimp to me. flimsy cover story.
the people concerned about climate change, are still imploring him, sending letters, writing great articles, wondering, why oh why hasn’t he done anything, why didn’t he get behind any effort to limit emissions.
duh.
goodbye support for green technology. his last fig leaf in that dpt.
the only remaining items will be
…indefinite deferment of regulations from the environmental protection agency;
….war with iran
sail off into the world of appearance, and directorships.
one million dollars per speech.
Good start. The list can be longer, but I would immediately add:
5. Elminate all BigAg subsidies
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Agree with both of you. I have been saying that Obama is NO wimp, nor does he lack for any spine. Obama is as tough as nails; his spine is ramrod strength; and he fights like a rabid pit bull for his wealthy corporatist constituents.
So sick & tired of people talking about “wimpy” Obama. There is nothing weak & puny about Obama, and in many ways, he IS playing eleventy-dimensional chess… it’s just that the chess game is in *favor* of the wealthy elite and against the needs of the serfs, whether leftie or rightie.
Yes, Obama is a hard-right NeoLiberal War Criminal. GW Bush on steroids and then some… and worse than W bc Obama *is* smart, and let’s face it: Obama knows d*mn well what the US Constitution says but doesn’t give a sh*t.
Well no one here has really expalined anything either so if he can he’s one up on you.
“The Democrats want to supplement that with revenue increases…”
Are these the same dumbass Democrats who voted to extend BushCo’s tax cuts? Think about it – last December the Dems could have gotten much more tax revenue just by sitting on their asses and doing NOTHING and letting the BushCo tax cuts expire.
Obviously we’ve reached the point where asking Dems to do nothing is asking too much.
Obama clings to the face-saving notion of new revenue, but that domino will fall, and so will the House Dems. I’ll say: 2 trillion in cuts, no revenue, extended UE and catfood commission II will make medium sized immediate cuts–chained CPI, but no age raise in Medicare, just provider-side cuts.
Hmmmmmm. If neither of them has “really explained anything,” how can one of them be “one up”? I’m just askin’.
With all due respect fuck Larry O’Donnell.
Well, that’s pretty close for this Union member. Sadly, I have to say that Bush is slightly better then the other two because he didn’t sell out his base in order to do what he wanted to do to destroy the working class of this country. But all of them should die painful deaths only to rot in hell with only each other for company.
What Mike Sax seems to have a problem with is the simple fact that the situation has been explained and there is plenty of documentation to back up the explanation:
And that seems to be a rather inconvenient truth for Mike Sax…
“Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) is working with McConnell on this approach. Aides said the two are discussing a strategy that would pair McConnell’s debt-limit proposal with at least $1.5 trillion in spending cuts identified through bipartisan talks that Vice President Biden has led in recent weeks.”
Finally, they are getting to the end game of the con. This is what I predicted was the eventual outcome of the entire con and I predicted it weeks ago. Oh well.
I agree with your partial list.
For starters nearly all of the remaining 80K US troops in Europe need to redeploy home. Same with Asia. The Base Realignment and Closure Commission (BRAC) needs to gin up again — the last time was 2005.
As ACA’s wheels come off there needs to be single payer on the shelf as Kucinich predicted. No mandates, no insurance companies. Yay!
Even that will need to evolve into single source / single payer, the source being gov’t. Think medical schooling, doctor employment, etc., more robust control of big pharma, the whole ball of wax. That would put me to the left (just on this issue) of many of the most earnest progressives here at FDL.
Yes, get rid of oil, gas, and coal subsidies, but also ethanol.
Removing all tax loopholes? Middle incomes, too, will get gored, but unless they’re included it seems there is no hope to get control of the debt. WSJ had an article on this yesterday
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304584404576440250900783950.html
In short, the floor isn’t at $250k for folks to get nicked. Rather, think possibly as low as $50k.
I vote for Bachmann. at least we’d KNOW she’s crazy and doesn’t have our interests in the remotest corner of her so-called mind.
Let’s get this farce over with and get out into the streets.
IMO, that would be the best way to show the world what “humanity ” this government is willing to show it’s own people. It would be like Libya.
sooner or later, it’s GOT to come. And the longer we wait the more that will have to rebuilt
No, it’s $5.00 on up
I tend to agree
the whole Obama plan was to fast track the catfood commission destruction of Medicare and Social Security – and he will not let go until he gets it.
The GOP did not demand the Medicare and Social Security – so Obama is having Reid go back and insert it in Commission #2 which will have the up or down vote that Simpson was not able to get enough votes for in his commission.
Thank goodness Obama is defending Medicare and Social Security. Good to have a Democrat as President – but thank god it is not Hillary /s
No, the harsh truth is that if Hillary would have been any different then she wouldn’t have been allowed to accede to the throne.
That is a fine list of things any democrat would love to see done. However the two party system and the abject hatred of Republicans to progressive ideas of any sort guarantee that most if not all of that will never take place. If President Obama could do magic, the list would be a good start, absent mystical powers, keep dreaming.
In his Large Catechism, Martin Luther says that a person’s god is whatever that person calls on in time of need. This quote is what really reveals Mr Obama’s faith is grounded on:
Ronald Reagan is his idol. I had thought that maybe that interview where he mentioned Reagan as a “transformative president” was some kind of lapse, but it clearly is not. His idol is the president who began the process of destroying every progressive step forward that America has made since 1900. Barak Obama will be the last President of the great era of America’s growth and progress.
He should be ashamed, but instead he is proud of it. He will go down in history as a disgrace to our country.
I’d rather deal with a devil I know, than an angel I can’t trust. I will be voting third party or sitting this one out. I couldn’t hold my nose long enough to vote for Obama ever again.
Ah, yes, the latest end-run that circles right back to the beginning of the Catfood Commission idea.
With all due respect to Popeye @25, forget fucking LoDo. Fuck Obama.
I no longer wonder about the note GW Bush left for Obama on the day of his inauguration.
“Hey, Prez Obama,
Complete the destruction of the poor, elderly, middle class Americans You can join the same club I am in, But you must PAY YOUR DUES.”
MUST SEE: Keiser Report RT July 14; Today. “Survey: 50% of Americans receiving government assistance don’t believe that they are and believe in the rugged individual
free market myth hyped on the boob tube…; “Cantor selling short betting no debt ceiling…; Papandreuo (sp?) selling short… ; IMF after Italy’s gold, second highest state cache on the planet… Happy Bastille Day!
You’re missing the point. If Obama could do magic, that list, and others like it, would never be thought of, or perhaps so derided it would never be seriously consider… Hm.
Yeah that too.
On Edit: I thought that was a given on this site.
And she wasn’t -
The informal poll of the hotels put her only 30 votes behind Obama – and it was moving her way – that is why Obama order than the vote not be taken – giving her the “honor” of asking the chair to stop counting and declare by voice vote a unanimous nomination.
I was told a year earlier that the corporate board rooms had chosen Obama “because we can work with him” – but no one in the party believed or wanted to believe me.
I marched in the protest march in Denver – but that was only about 2000 people and that is a generous count – nothing was going to stop Obama. ACORN stopped all Hillary talk within that organization.