Sam Stein put a bit more substance on what he calls the “hybrid deal” between Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid, which includes all of the political pitfalls of the McConnell deal with the cuts-only approach sought by House Republicans. It’s basically everything that was discussed before: $1.5 trillion in cuts, no net revenues, a convoluted voting process that forces all votes sustaining an increase in the debt limit to come from Democrats, and a Catfood Commission II to deal with taxes and entitlements at a later date. Chuck Schumer went on the record blessing this deal today:
“We would like to see, even if we can’t get a grand deal, that some real cuts be added to Senator McConnell’s proposal and perhaps Senator McConnell’s proposal be modified,” Schumer said. “That is another possibility, not as good as a larger deal, but certainly better than just avoiding default.”
I don’t think it’s plausible that Reid is going through this for any other reason than because the White House is heavily invested in a deficit reduction deal. And this doesn’t even really satisfy them, they’d still prefer a bigger deal. If you want to get the best sense of what the White House is thinking, you could do a lot worse than going to Ezra Klein. Here are the Administration’s arguments, in summary form.
1. Finishing off deficit reduction, which is crowding out all other issues in Washington, will allow for job creation measures to come back onto the table.
2. Only the big deal would include stimulus measures, like extending the payroll tax cut or unemployment insurance. A smaller deal won’t.
3. Republicans will demand and get immediate spending cuts if there’s no deal, by slashing 2012 appropriations. If you get a phased-in 10-year deal, you can control the timing of when the cuts hit.
4. Obama has to be re-elected to protect other policy gains and prevent more crippling austerity, and a big deal will help Obama in 2012.
5. They truly believe that deficit reduction would help the short-run economy. Obama himself put it best in his July 2 address: “Government has to start living within its means, just like families do. We have to cut the spending we can’t afford so we can put the economy on sounder footing, and give our businesses the confidence they need to grow and create jobs.”
OK, we’ll take these in kind. First, there’s no way you can “finish” deficit reduction. The fever swamps on the far right think $4 trillion in deficit reduction is a capitulation. What’s more, if you try to spend on new programs after explaining the importance of reducing the size of government, there will be loud claims about welching on the deal.
The fact that your stimulus measures run out in 2011 just in time for a re-election campaign in 2012 is YOUR FAULT. You designed the arbitrary cutoff date for the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance. And if they get included, in order to hit the large number for deficit reduction you’d just have to include more cuts, which defeats the purpose of stimulus.
The “control the timing” argument is a tiny bit compelling. But just because Republicans “demand” immediate spending cuts on the 2012 budget doesn’t mean you have to give them what they want. There’s an aversion to having a government shutdown, but it’s a hell of a lot safer than a debt default, and recent experience shows it’s a fight Democrats can win.
The idea of an expansionary contraction has been completely discredited, as has the confidence fairy. Businesses need more customers, and cutting spending massively will have the opposite effect. Ask Ben Bernanke. The economy cannot support major spending cuts at this time.
Which brings us to the re-election argument, and I’m sure this is the big one in the eyes of the Administration. Mitt Romney or Michele Bachmann will be worse and won’t all of our critics be sorry. Except that the Administration is signing its own death warrant here. The idea that independents will vote for Obama because he signed a bipartisan deal, rather than vote against him if the economy still sucks in late 2012, is pretty fanciful. Political scientist John Sides ran the numbers on this. If you want to get re-elected, the thing to do is to fix the economy. Despite the legislative constraints there are ways to do that. Mitch McConnell threw you an anchor a lifeline in that regard, allowing a clean vote to raise the debt limit, defusing one of the bombs Republicans want to use to wreck the economy. You have Lindsey Graham feeling sorry for himself, saying that the GOP made a bad bet and now has to snap out of it. And the White House is throwing them a lifeline, and objectively harming their own re-election prospects in the process.






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Exactly, despite all these ad hoc political rationales for what will or will not get Obama reelected, every single strategists knows that the numbers tell you the biggest factor in any election is the economy.
“Government has to start living within its means, just like families do. We have to cut the spending we can’t afford so we can put the economy on sounder footing, and give our businesses the confidence they need to grow and create jobs.”
If you want to know whether or not Obama belives in right-wing policies, look no further than that
Government has to start living within its means, just like families do.
This is the single most ridiculous argument any politician can make. First off, government is not a family. Governments make economic activity, they aren’t hapless participants of it. Secondly, implied in this statement is “cut taxes!”, which is (to stretch the bad simile) ludicrous since no family ever tries to solve their financial issues by demanding less in wages.
All this hand-wringing over the costs of health and well-being of our poor and elderly, and yet we piss away untold riches on wars for “the greater good”.
Thanks DDay, much appreciated.
Thanks for the clarity. Is the President incapable of grasping the error of the family analogy? Or is it willed, deliberate misconception, or something more sinister? He must have some clue, or be informed, that what he speaks is not selling.
Democrats are their own worst enemies, and they have become objectively enemies of the American middle class. We need another party.
I am pretty sure you mean this:
Uh, yeah. If we don’t have Obama playing goalkeeper in the White House beyond 2012, we might have some Republican President pushing Social Security and Medicare cuts in the midst of 9-10% “official” unemployment and pushing a $4 trillion austerity package.
The horror, the horror. Billy Tauzin might even be helping to write national health care policy…
DK weighs in
Kucinich: Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans’ Wealth is Stolen
No chess, just truth.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Debt-Political-Theater…
Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans’ Wealth is Stolen
By Dennis Kucinich
The rancorous debate over the debt belies a fundamental truth of our economy — that it is run for the few at the expense of the many, that our entire government has been turned into a machine which takes the wealth of a mass of Americans and accelerates it into the hands of the few. Let me give you some examples.
Take war. War takes the money from the American people and puts it into the hands of arms manufacturers, war profiteers, and private armies. The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion of dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September.
Fifty percent of our discretionary spending goes for the Pentagon. A massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few while the American people lack sufficient jobs, health care, housing, retirement security.
Our energy policies take the wealth from the American people and put it into the hands of the oil companies. We could be looking at $150 a barrel for oil in the near future.
more…
yah,didnt know that the ole HP printer could print legal currency
Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Obama is not all gun ho for a second term. Sure it might bruise his ego for a bit, but look at the money he can make once out of office. Then there is the added bonus of showing up in places where earthquake just happened and looking all statesmen like.
His life out of office is made. The same can be said for most other politicians getting thrown out of office does not hurt them, it means they can now start collecting on all the shit they helped get passed
The key to understanding Obama is know that Obama’s political hero is Ronnie Raygun. Raygun was the only president to substantially cut Social Security benefits. Obama wants to cut Social Security to be just like Raygun.
The Republicans are the left of Obama on these programs. For example, Bush increased Medicare benefits by adding a prescription drug program. Obama would never dream of doing anything so radical.
I think you mean that McConnell threw Obama a life-vest.
Which, for reasons best known to himself, the President is now hoping to trade for an anvil.
Spot on, Dan.
And “government” doesn’t include the pentagon.
Living OUTSIDE the “means” is the fact of life, for them.
Wait a minute: The White House has “Thinking?”
Cannot agree more with Kuchinich. Hope Obama doesn’t “invite” DK for another ride on AirForce One any time soon again. That last ride ended up in a disaster for the small people in terms of welfare for BigIns & BigPharma courtesy of you & me, the dwindling middle/working class.
When Obama made the deal last December to extend the Bush tax cuts, Krugman pointed out that “while the bad stuff in the deal lasts for two years, the not-so-bad stuff expires at the end of 2011.”
Atrios is right – our Galtian Overlords are not especially bright. Not just the bankers, which Atrios was talking about, but also the politicians.
Only some of the Pentagon spending is immune. They’re talking about cutting pay and benefits for troops and veterans. Leaving only weapons systems and troop strength immune. That’s where the fat cats get their money from, and you can’t fight wars without them.
You need look no further than the Minnesota situation to see what is what.
Shut down and no clammering from anyone to get started again. The Governor just threw in the towel.
He, as the White House, were counting on 1995 without checking the calendar to see that it is 2011.
The McConnell deal is the best the WH is going to get–if they don’t just stop insisting on $3 billion tax increases as a way to scuttle any larger deal. It is so transparent to demand such a small tax increase–everyone knows it is only a symbolic stab at portraying GOP as favoring the rich.
If they were serious they would have demanded an end to all Bush tax cuts.
These piddly demands were only a way to scuttle any budget cuts–yet look like you wanted some.
The entrance of Obama was supposed to rescue the negotiations, but they only got worse after he got involved. Rather than resolving anything, he only made everyone pissed off on both sides and even less likely to come together.
Gee, kind of like in the Middle East.
Thanks for this piece. What irony that our chosen wars will end up being the end of us. We thought VietNam was bad; never did I realize it, etc. would never really end. We can never heal the environment so long as we are burying it with hardware. What is the charm/charisma of an ongoing war? W needed it to look adult and manly…but what about the rest of somewhat sane folks?
Only if you consider Obama opening the cryogenic vault and consulting the “brain” of Ronald Reagan.
Absolutely!!
Gov Dayton is leading Democrats to victory over the Republicans because government shutdowns and economic hardship just forces conservatives to cave in for the general welfare!
Now what we really need is for you to go to Afghanistan to stop those suicide bombers by just standing up to them and telling them you won’t yield or blink because you are absolutely correct in your principles of non-violent opposition to threats of violence and you know can and will force the suicide bombers to surrender.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure Minnesota will soon become a European socialist style State by the end of the month because Gov Dayton has forced Republicans to see the errors of their ways and totally reject all their conservative ideology!
Obama needs to be just like Gov Dayton and defeat the conservatives and Republicans and just humiliate them, just like Gov Dayton has forced them to kneel before him. Look at the latest MPR Commentary
Clearly refusing to compromise with conservatives leads to the superior progress solution because conservatives always see the general welfare as paramount!
well as Smedley Butler wrote 80 years ago,in WAR IS A RACKET…a few hundred families that sell shit to the pentagon,will make out quite nicely
that was another bluff,poor Ronnie was just an actor,teleprompter reader….didnt really have much of a brain
Dumb fucks. Shit don’t they know that rich people like those long bonds paying over 4%? If they shut it all down and cut the debt the rich will get hurt. Why do we have long bonds anyway?
But he must have been brilliant to be the host of “Death Valley Days” and the official spokesman for 20 Mule Team Borax.
DD says
“Except that the Administration is signing its own death warrant here. The idea that independents will vote for Obama because he signed a bipartisan deal, rather than vote against him if the economy still sucks in late 2012, is pretty fanciful. Political scientist John Sides ran the numbers on this. If you want to get re-elected, the thing to do is to fix the economy”
Everyone in the WH knows this, Obama knows this.
Obama is on a suicide mission to kill the new deal.
Independents? please define? the MSM loves creating fairy tales, the USA doesn’t have independent voters any more
2012 will be a base election period! thanks to what is happening outside of DC
DC is months behind what is coming.
Obama will be laughed off stage talking about bi-partianship in 2012
he knows this.
battle lines are being drawn right now, DC better catch up
the elites have loss control of their little tea party monsters, and Left has had enough.
Mr. Obama and Mr. Daley clearly no longer want to work in the White House. Their work will keep Democrats out of it for a generation. Meanwhile, lots of Americans will no longer have any house to come home to, nor any job to go to.
“Government has to start living within its means, just like families do.”
A lot of people incorrectly interpret this as a statement that government is like a family or that government should be run like a family. Its not really a statement of likeness or similarity, but rather that families and government are interconnected. Government ultimately derives revenues FROM families. When government raises taxes, ultimately, families pay. All debts government incurs will ultimately come out of the labor of American families one way or the other.
You can vote Republican. You can vote for Democrats who surrender to Republicans. You can stay home and get Republicans. Given those choices staying home is the least painful.
We are spending twenty billion dollars per year just for air-conditioning for the troops that are occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. Gee, we could save several billion dollars per week by just getting out of Afghanistan and Iraq. How come Obama and the other Republicans never bring this up when they discuss federal deficits and federal spending?
Obama is an angry white man, in a word, a Republican. This is why he refuses to investigate other lying Republican war criminals such as Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush. Once you understand that Obama is a Republican, his actions in the two and a half years of his being President become understandable. Not acceptable, but understandable.
Scary times when we have to hope the House Repubs will be completely intransigent in order to save us from the president of our own party (nominally, at least, and whatever party name he chooses he is in power to do good or, as seems more likely, evil).
We are so screwed.
No it doesn’t. Governments are in control of their own currency and can do as they wish.
Right now, we rely on banks to provide money through fractional reserve banking. Banks aren’t making loans, and there isn’t enough money. Putting more in circulation won’t be a problem.
Households and governments are completely different, in every possible way. I only wish I could get a divorce from the crazy party and the people it represents.
If there is an alternative to the duopoly, I think that it would be the choice of a substantial majority. But, it will take some doin’.
Why win elections if, in the end all, the big decisions get made in a committee with 50/50 representation?
The Democrats have advantages in the polls on every issue and yet they capitulate at every turn. It is a party of incompetents.
They can cut the deficit all they want and is not going to produce jobs.
Until, and I do not believe it will happen, there are real tariffs placed around this country there will be no jobs. Those jobs that have departed for overseas are gone! They will not be back. There will be GDP rates of less than 2% for years in the USA. Third World Country!
No matter how many times I step away from this situation and return to it, I continually ask myself: what does Obama run on in 2012 if he cuts the safety net and unemployment is still up over 9%? I mean, honestly, I’m seeing empty powerpoint slides in my mind….
well lets add Ed Schultz as someone who needs to get his head out of his ass! Ed now thinks Obama is brave for putting cuts to SS Medicare and Medicaid on the table for Debt reduction! Ed even seemed to giving Obama props for “fighting” his party on the cuts (which is BS)Ed had bought into the GOP made me do it nonsense…Come on Ed wake up.. Obama has wanted to cut from day one and Pete Peterson is driving this “urge” not the GOP..yeah Ed we all know the GOP are bunch of bought clowns but so is Obama and the Dems!!!!
unless your family is one of the top 400 and gives you money for your reelection
Ed Schultz and Lawrence O’Donnell are both comedians.
Ed Schultz said on monday why is Social Security on the table? now he says putting Social Security on the table is brave? LOL
this is why Al Gore and Keith Olbermann will soon send MSNBC to CNN land
Ed was for the public option, before he was against it.
MSNBC executives really want to help their GOP puppet OBAMA, but CURRENT has their Michael Jordan “Keith Olbermann”
the more MSNBC follows OBAMA toward GOP land, the closer they will be to CNN
Keith probably loves it!
MSNBC did hire Michael Steele? they needed another clown I guess
someguy66 @29
don’t think so. the fed govt spends dollars into existence. and destroys them via taxation. private sector net financial assets come from govt spending (net of taxation, fees, etc).
masaccio @33,
think i disagree w you re fractional reserve banking. please see my prior comment on this:
http://firedoglake.com/2011/07/13/obama-issues-unnecessary-threats-against-social-security-beneficiaries/#comment-2394467
i don’t think there is enough effective aggregate demand (for full employment) but why do you think there isn’t enough money? enough money for what?