Let’s check in on the debt limit negotiations. Last night’s meeting at the White House was short and somber, with Administration aides still discussing elements of a big deal, even though that looks all but dead, as it includes tax changes. There is no meeting today; the President instructed the Congressional leadership to go back to their caucuses and determine what can actually pass both chambers. He wants to hear back in the next 24 to 36 hours. Both parties in Congress and the President are holding news conferences today, with the President’s coming up at 11am ET. This will be Obama’s second press conference of the week.
The President still acts like there are three options on the table, but it looks increasingly that the best chance of avoiding default comes from McConnell-Reid, a hybrid approach that takes what Mitch McConnell offered, essentially a clean debt limit bill with some unpalatable political implications, and adds $1.5 trillion in spending cuts and a Catfood Commission II on entitlements. There was earlier talk that there would be a separate commission on tax reform, but that appears to have been dropped. There also may be some stimulus involved, though a paid-for payroll tax cut extension was rejected.
What is emerging as the most likely outcome is a plan based on Messrs. McConnell and Reid’s work, a Democratic official familiar with negotiations said. It would include roughly $1 trillion in deficit reduction, but would not come with tax increases or Medicare savings, the official said. It could include an extension of unemployment insurance, the official said, which costs $40 billion and would be offset by spending cuts.
Mr. Obama suggested in Thursday’s meeting that leaders end tax breaks for ethanol producers, oil and gas companies and corporate jet owners, and offset those tax increases with an extension of the payroll tax credit for employees, a Democratic official familiar with the meeting said, but Republicans said they would not support it.
Mr. Obama said he still prefers a larger plan, but the only way to get even to a $2 trillion deal is to include tax increases, which Republicans flatly oppose, or Medicare cuts, which Democrats oppose without concessions from Republicans on taxes.
There’s also talk about putting some Pharma givebacks into the deal, but House Republicans are fighting that and it would seem to fall under Medicare cuts, so with a Medicare-for-revenue swap out of McConnell-Reid I’m doubtful. Yesterday’s entire meeting seemed like a waste, because it focused on Medicare and revenue.
The other two developments were this: Obama had no problem with the political implications of McConnell-Reid, saying he was happy to take full responsibility for raising the debt limit. “If Senator McConnell wants me to wear the jacket for that, I’m happy to wear the jacket,” Obama said. And John Boehner signaled more openness to something like McConnell-Reid.
I’ll get into the policy implications in a different post. The key data we don’t know is: 1) What cuts would be in McConnell-Reid; 2) How big are the spending cuts, as I’ve heard anywhere from $1 trillion to $1.7 trillion; 3) When do they hit the budget – are there immediate, job-destroying cuts, or is it backloaded? Keep in mind that, if this is roughly flat, you’re talking about $100 billion in deficit reduction in the first year. That’s roughly equivalent to the Republican 2011 budget, which Mark Zandi said would cost the country 700,000 to 1 milllion jobs. The fact that McConnell apparently wants spending caps in FY 2012 and 2013 attached to his agreement does not bode well.
Another hurdle is that Democratic moderates in the House, who may be key to any deal, don’t want to walk the plank:
These centrist Democrats, who are used to being political targets for Republicans and irritants for their own party, were critical to keeping the government open in the shutdown debate back in April — 81 Democrats helped push the spending resolution across the finish line after dozens of conservatives bailed on the deal.
But this time around, moderate Democrats are starting to sour on the process, arguing that the intractability among Republican rank and file is threatening their support.
“I’ve been for cutting the deficit for a long time, that’s what the Blue Dog mantra is about — but not in a radical way and not in the way that harms the economy. These folks are hijacking the issue as a way that is very unfortunate, and they’re voting ideology versus what I think is in the best interest of the country,” said Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.), a member of the moderate Blue Dog Caucus. “I’m hearing my colleagues talking about putting their money in mattresses. That’s a very scary proposition.” [...]
“Getting a lot of votes from the Blue Dogs will be difficult, because we’re in these districts where we have difficult elections. Why would we give a tea party person a pass when we’re having to take the tough vote? The Republicans need to get their votes in line,” said another senior Blue Dog member. “This is a scary proposition. I think a deal is unlikely.”
Considering that you would only need 1/3 of the House on the McConnell plan, I’m not sure that one Blue Dog vote would be required. But that could be an irritating element to this.
About the scariest thing here is that the Administration is quietly reaching out to banks and investors to try to mitigate the consequences of default. It’s not working.




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Wondering whatever happened to The Audacity of Hope?
I’ll tell you: The Austerity of Dopes.
If deadlocked negotiations result in the debt ceiling being raised temporarily, but no “Grand Bargain” that rapes SS and Medicare, then Hooray for Deadlock!
Watching Big Zero’s performance though, makes me think he just might veto anything less than his Grand Bargain to fuck us over.
God i fucking hate Obama, even more than Bush Jr.
Obama is not so much a chess-player as a practitioner of a weird kind of anti-judo, where you use your opponent’s weaknesses against yourself.
We have had two failed Presidents in a row, both of whom are war criminals.
We’re near “stick a fork in America” time, unfortunately.
ruht,rho
Obama Publicly Backs Means-Testing Medicare
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama formally acknowledged on Friday that he would support a plan to means-test Medicare as a part of a deal to raise the nation’s debt ceiling.
“I have said that means-testing on Medicare, meaning people like myself — I’m going to be turning 50 in a week, so I’m starting to think a little bit more about Medicare eligibility — but you can envision a situation for somebody in my position, me having to pay a little bit more on premiums or co-pays would be appropriate. And again, that would make a difference,” the president said at a press conference. “What we are not willing to do is restructure the program in the ways we have seen coming out of the House in recent months.”
fyi to tech crew –
still having difficulty getting in to comment at MyFDL diaries – presently can not get in to Papau’s excellent diary on Chained CPI
Techies: the titles on the articles have gone stark raving mad: little boxes instead of letters. interesting!
Just heard on the Thom Hartmann radio show that Republicans have target Bernie Sanders who’s up for reelection. Will probably find an ally in the Obama WH and the bots.
Nice to see that we’ve got some progressives in Congress working hard for us. What? Oh.
So the Democrats–controlling the Senate and White House and having over two-thirds of the American people behind them–lose again. Myrtle the Turtle and Crybaby Cantor were national jokes for their stands just a day ago, but Obama gives them everything they wanted. All cuts, no tax increases. Unbelievable. You gotta hand it to these “Democrats”, there’s not a single principle they won’t sell out. I think, had Boehner demanded Obama’s children as part of the deal, Obama would have surrendered them without hesitation. I vote default.
Remember when Waxman said that he talked to Rethugs and “to a person, they said the president’s going to cave”. Well, they were right. What’s most galling, though, is that the Dems will spin this as a victory and Obama’s only regret will be that he wasn’t able to end Social Security in the deal.
probably need to update your browser
It’s almost stick a pitchfork in America time, IMO. I’m starting to get really mad.
Links have occasionally been linking to the wrong pages for me for a good week or two. I go back and click the link again, and all of a sudden it works (most of the time). Does this on different browsers and different computers.
It’s important that people understand that it is Obama who manufactured this crisis by signing the extension to the Bush tax cuts and is now consciously exploiting it to cut entitlements. His problem is not in getting the Republicans to go along with those cuts, but rather to place the blame for the cuts on them. Visibly he has given up on the blame shifting and is simply trying to appear to be negotiating for something, e.g., the tax increases he could have had.
Obama’s play here has been right out of Shock Doctrine. We must eat our peas and catfood and practice other forms of austerity to get our fiscal house in order.
That blue dog quote at the end is heartening. There is no reason for Dems to cave on this, since if the debt ceiling is not raise, Obama can still print a trillion dollar coin to pay the bills. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/07/13/obama-hints-he-might-violate-law-and-the-consitution-to-stop-social-security-checks/
The 1/3 vote would be to sustain the veto after Obama requests the debt ceiling increase. But before Obama can even submit the request, Congress has to grant him the power to do that right? Wouldn’t they need a majority vote for that (supermajority in the senate)?
Funny how the author thinks a Walnut Place win ultimately helps the borrower. If BofA were wrongfully forced to buy back every outstanding loan C-wide initiated, the loss experience could wipe out the company, which would be exponentially worse for borrowers.
The whole article is poorly written and obviously cobbled together by a novice/hack. The BofA settlement doesn’t amount to 2-3c on the dollar….the author needs to look through the detail first. of the gross total he cites, a large sum has been paid off, a large sum is accruing/current, a smaller sum ~$100 bln is in default or seriously delinquent
the author also needs to understand how reps and warranties work on private label loans. first of all, prospectuses certainly claim that all investments carry risk, but ultimately any breach of rep and warranties must have an adverse and material impact on the value of the loan at time of issue. reps and warranties also do NOT cover what amounts to borrower fraud (claiming primary residence and ultimately not moving in, etc). Even if Walnut place were in the very aggressive ballpark and 50% of all of those deliquent/defaulted loans had some kind of breach, many of them won’t be enough to constitute a putback. let’s say half of those are “cured” meaning Walnut place wins half, bofa wins half. you’re now talking the value of the putback on all those loans being $100 bln * 50%*50%=$25 bln…but recall these are collateralized loans and the loss experience on toxic stuff has generally been in the 45-50% range so you get down to about $11-$12 bln as being the proper value of the claims from the entire set of trusts.
Even unbiased putback experts had tabbed the fair value of putbacks on all loans covered in the settlement to be $8.8-$11.0 bln. The “plaintiffs” opted to forego legal costs on a multi-year fight and take the lower end. It’s a pretty reasonable settlement.
The author needs to do his homework before dramaticizing the issue. What a piece of garbage this article is.
Ending the tax breaks for fatcats was two years ago.
Obama’s talking about doing it now, with his political nads sitting in that mayo jar on Boehner’s desk, is nothing but “Look how tough I am!” bullshit/Kabuki.
Does “Mother Jones” or the “Nation” magazine ever have “reporters” at these Presidential news conferences? If so why are they never called on to pose a question?
Yes. And he wants to raise the age of eligibility from 65 to 67. So when you call your Senator, tell them no cuts to SS and to Medicare too!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html
Couldn’t end it outright but it’s a good start. Kind of like the “good start” to health insurance reform.
The dopes to which I refer are the elites who are fucking us. Not the author – who I daresay has more cred in his little finger than you demonstrate in your entire comment.
“It’s important that people understand that it is Obama who’s manufactured this crisis by signing the extension to the Bush tax cuts and is not consciously exploiting it to cut entitlements.”
Wigwam NOT speak with forked tongue.
And perversely, I enjoy the repubs (as spoken by one of their flunkies) goose Obama in the ass by asking for a list of WHAT entitlements he’s willing to cut. :o)
Dear Cortness, I very much appreciate your thoughtful and well-reasoned post, with all of the parsing of financial gobbledygook.
Perhaps, at some future date, you could discuss the $4 billion a week we’re now pissing down the drain in various bloody wars.
Just as with the republicans (are you one?) ignoring the clusterfuck-piled-on-clusterfuck while pissing and moaning about government spending, has become a cottage industry for the media and for talking-point-moderates.
Means testing Medicare saves no money and is the first step toward killing the program.
Why? Would you want Kevin Drum there? So he could cheerlead the chained CPI?
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/07/statistical-wonkery-and-grandmas-social-security-check
agreed and have you seen that other hack from mother jones that is often on hardball. he is such a slime ball pushing chris’ propaganda. Puke worthy
Speaking of question askers at Presidential Pressers, I wonder what ever happened to Gannon/Guckert?
Why do you have a problem with means testing? The entire progressive platform is built on means testing everything else. You make so much money that you’re deemed “wealthy”? We’ll let you keep paying more into the system but return less to you. Raise the SS contribution limit even though you’ll not get anymore back out.
As long as it’s impacting someone ELSE, you’re all fine means testing them. But let them start means testing YOU, and yuo’ve got a problem with it?
Thanks for the update, David.
That’s good.
Jared Bernstein:
” … once you shift a program from universal coverage to means testing, it’s increasingly vulnerable to deeper means testing until it eventually becomes a poverty program which everyone wants to get rid of…”
Got it, stupid?
As FDR argued about Social Security (and so it was with Medicare as well during LBJ’s presidency), it’s an insurance program; everybody pays in, everybody takes out. Once you begin means testing, it becomes a “welfare” program. And we all know how popular “welfare” programs are. Wait til your granny is plastered across the newspapers as a “welfare queen”. The right has long tried (and had some success) turning the word “entitlement” into a dirty word. But, as it is still an “everybody in” program, that’s a tough sell. Once they start means testing, calling it a welfare program, it’ll be gone within less than 10 years. With Democrats like Obama, it’ll be gone within 4.
It’s “everybody in”, but everybody NOW pays in at different levels and takes out at the same levels. That’s not an insurance program, that’s income redistribution. They’re only talking about means tetsing because it’s close to being bankrupt. When that happens, you’ll either means test what people take out, raise the contribution for everyone (not likely), or raise the contribution for high earners but limit how much more they get out of it. That’s also means testing.
I agree with you, but is it necessary to gratuitously insult people? What is the point?
So once you start trying to live within the means of the program, you start having to face the costs of that program and it becomes vulnerable? Hell yes, now we have it!
Better just to ignore a program’s costs and just keep spending into oblivion?
You’ll love living in a Dickensian America.
Better just to ignore a program’s costs and just keep spending into oblivion?
You mean like our wars we’re involved in?
DDay, I have not seen any economic analysis of what cuts of this size would do to GDP growth. Naturally, a lot depends on the details. But as a rough estimate, one would say that $150B in cuts over 10 years (=$1.5T in cuts) subtracts about 1% annually (the economy being $14T) from economic growth. Even if economic growth were at its normal average of 2.7%, that would put us very close to being in a permanent growth recession. The only thing one can say that this is better than the $400B annual cuts the Republicans want, which equals permanent recession.
Can you get an economist to comment on the issue? People like Krugman have made generic statements, but I don’t think anyone has framed it in terms of what it means to growth.
Try flushing the browser cache, Mike. My co-blogger Phoenix Woman came up with this trick and it seems to work.
how so?
Why no means testing? Medicare is a program for the elderly.
Social Security was originally sold as a minimum floor of senior income. It was made available to everyone to ensure its continued viability. It is not means tested in benefits but the FICA tax is capped at an income level that has not been indexed to inflation.
Most means tested programs are low-income assistance: Food Stamps for example (which is really a disguised agriculture industry subsidy), emergency energy assistance, and what is left of of aid to low income children. Those exist simply so that people will not starve or die from heat stroke, freezing, or neglect. And they exist because churches were too busy building fancy buildings and buying fancy cars for their overpaid preachers to care about Matthew 25. And because when a quarter of a nation is unemployed they become an overwhelming burden to the charity-minded and a major political force.
oops. sorry wrong thread.
PLEASE DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!
i.e. welfare
So I guess we’re down now to a gang of Two?
Well, welfare in the 1930s meant something different than the smear it’s become for folks like you who feel fine letting people starve and freeze to death.
BTW, Medicare benefits are already means-tested. I learn something new every day.
One and a half.
remember how blow job billy sold out the us during his second term. he was never going to run again for anything and he worked overtime to serve the interests of those that are destroying America. that is what he was hired to do. which is why Hillary could never win. who wanted 8 more years of that? i think Reid and Obama were both hired to sell us out in the same fashion. it is my understanding if Reid had wanted to he could have changed the filibuster rules at the start of the term and gotten a lot passed. wouldn’t the whole health care debate been a lot easier if the age limit for entry in medicade and medicare had been changed downward by twenty years? this incompetence is on purpose