There have been no formal talks between the President and Congressional leaders for the last three days about raising the nation’s debt limit (though there has been “activity and progress” according to OMB Director Jack Lew), but the endgame is nonetheless coming into focus. The House, which did not submit to the President a plan that could pass both houses of Congress, as the President requested, will hold votes on Wednesday on the “Cut, Cap and Balance Act,” a bill that would cut spending by $100 billion in Fiscal Year 2012, force a spending cap at 18% of GDP and and attach a radical balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, before any debt limit increase. It’s likely to pass the House and die in the Senate. Meanwhile, McConnell-Reid, the fallback option to match an elaborate scheme to raise the debt limit without Republican votes to a cuts-only package amounting to around $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction, has moved into the forefront as the only way to end the stalemate. The deal would not include tax increases or cuts to Medicare and Social Security (it’s unclear to this point where it leaves Medicaid), but it would include a Catfood Commission II, a Congresscritters-only panel which would make recommendations on entitlements (and possibly tax reform) that would be guaranteed an up or down vote in each chamber of Congress.
Both sides acknowledged on the Sunday shows today that McConnell-Reid was likely the only possibility to avoid a debt default. Even far-right Republican Jim Jordan (R-OH) said that a coalition of Democrats and Republicans could probably muster the votes to get McConnell-Reid done. I think he’s right, as a lot of House Republicans have been softened up by reality to avoiding default:
At a closed-door meeting Friday morning, GOP leaders turned to their most trusted budget expert, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, to explain to rank-and-file members what many others have come to understand: A fiscal meltdown could occur if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling [...]
“He said if we pass Aug. 2, it would be like ‘Star Wars,’” said Rep. Scott DesJarlais, a freshman from Tennessee. “I don’t think the people who are railing against raising the debt ceiling fully understand that.”
The warnings appeared to have softened the views of at least some House members who, until now, were inclined to dismiss statements by administration officials, business leaders and outside economists that the economic impact would be dire if the federal government were suddenly unable to pay its bills.
Freshman Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) said the presentation about skyrocketing interest rates that could result from downgraded bond ratings was “sobering.”
“It illustrates to us that doing nothing is unacceptable,” he said. “I think the conference understands this is a defining moment for us. It’s time to put the next election aside.”
We don’t really know the details of McConnell-Reid. We don’t know what the cuts are, we don’t know when they will hit and if spending will be reduced in FY2012 (which would be really bad for the economy), and we don’t know the full status of that Catfood Commission II. We also don’t know if the report about McConnell insisting on a spending cap for FY2012 and FY2013 is accurate; that would negate the Administration’s political strategy of controlling the timing of the cuts. But the McConnell-Reid package should be unveiled by Wednesday or Thursday, so we’ll have more information then.



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And you did see where the S+P honcho said a cut of $4T was necessary top avoid a downgrade? $1.5 isn’t even half what he was saying S+P wanted to avoid a downgrade.
For a guy who is weak, terrible at negotiations, and easily out-maneuvered, Obama sure has a way of getting what he wants when it comes to ways to create a scenario for gutting SSMM, doesn’t he?
Fucker.
Pretty sad state of affairs when we can only hope that Republicans reflexivley oppose him, ‘cuz we know the vichycrats are willing to jump off the cliff with him. Why not, they all have golden parachutes……
“He said if we pass Aug. 2, it would be like ‘Star Wars,’”
Paul Ryan gets prepped by a hedge fund zillionaire, a University of Chicago economics professor,
and $700 of red burgundy, and this is the best he can come up with?
I blame that lady from Rutgers for interrupting the review session.
The only legitimate thing to pass is a clean debt ceiling bill. There is no “crisis”. It’s manufactured by both Left and Right to get the social safety net of this country.
Wall Street has already started making it clear that it MUST pass. The GOP will not be allowed to let the country go into default.
If Obama passes anything but a clean bill, it’s because he wants to. Nothing else.
No wonder McConnell has such contempt for Obama. He is clueless and doesn’t have the courage of his convictions because he apparently doesn’t have any.
McConnell must be laughing his ever-loving ass off in private at how he can get Obama to jump through all of his hoops.
McConnell-Reid? Reid-McConnell? or McConnell?
from National Review
McConnell’s Uber-Clever Debt-Deal Stratagem
By Larry Kudlow (excerpt)
Or they could just remove the debt limit entirely and move this discussion where it belongs, to the next budget process.
18% ?!? I’ve got a better idea. How about 40%? Then you can balance the budget by raising taxes on those who can afford to pay. An amendment that reads something like “Congress shall set taxes each year in the amount of spending budgeted, and debt shall be retired when it comes due” would be fine with me.
Obama says he does not support gay marriage but he sure is subservient to his husband McConnell.
Getting Catfood II and a guaranteed vote is a complete cave in and no one survives.
Pardon the O/T, but people around Karzai are starting to drop like flies.
Karzai Adviser Is Killed at Kabul Home
LINK.
I’m still at a loss on three issues:
1) How do the American people judge *any* of this bloviating (on either side) without actual proposals being discussed publicly and numbers being put to paper, etc.?
2) Why is Obummer’s first threat to withhold SS checks, rather than threatening to withhold payments to Lord Blankfein? I think refusing to make additional payments to Wall Street has value.
3) If everyone is so scared of the CRAs, why doesn’t Congress immediately draft a law to remove the CRAs from law? I think that would also have value AND it should have been done years ago anyway.
Regardless of what happens, the fix is in and the American people lose.
May God have mercy on our souls.
Interesting. Reminds me of September 10, 2001. I recall reading about the leader of the Taliban’s opposition being assassinated. For about 24 hours I had no clue what it meant… but I hope there’s not more death to follow this string of assassinations.
Would be nice if Obomba would just end the wars.
McConnell said on TV last week that no one in Congress is talking about default. If so, what are they negotiating? Has Obama heard this? Guess not. He is obviously offering them something for something – or not? Either Obama is clueless or McConnell is lying on public TV — again.
May the Farce be with you.
Exactly!
I don’t think they understand how if the debt ceiling is not raised all those corporations that depend on government welfare won’t get a dime. Especially the farm subsidy, research and development, and OMG, the oil industry!
Wall st wins again…thanks Obama I am so glad I voted for your sorry ass…I don’t care who the GOP puts up as against you…I ain’t voting for YOU! This a damn disgrace…cuts to save? Here’s another no vote so you can get reelected
I still don’t get why Obama and the Dems don’t see the bat coming at their heads. Surely they know this employment and economic situation is because of the NeoCons and GOP. Heck! Even Rush Limbaugh was telling his listeners 3 years ago that the corporations were not going to hire or do business in the states.
This economic situation is being done on purpose so they can use it as a tool remove everything our government stands for. A person has no other thoughts to go to aside from the evidence and that is Obama and the Dems are in cahoots with it.
I believe what you are watching is theater, for the benefit of the each party’s “bases”. The deal has been done for a while, and this is just a show, and you have been sold out on Social Security and Medicare. As George Carlin said, they are coming after these 2 programs, and they will get the money. Obama is trying to show us that he is valiantly fighting for you, but had to capitulate in the face of intrepid Republicans. But, if you follow the thread, who appointed the deficit commission? Obama. Who agreed with Simpson and Bowles? Obama. Who screwed the American people with health care “reform”? Obama. He has been working over “lefties”, softening them up for slaughter. This drama of budget deficit is a show. . There is not a single issue on which Obama stood with the so called PROGRESSIVES. People, wake up. You have been screwed again, ROYALLY
Yes.
TIME, Jan 29, 2009
Can Larry Summers Save the Economy?
By Michael Scherer and Massimo Calabresi
“Or they could just remove the debt limit entirely and move this discussion where it belongs, to the next budget process.”
– The next budget process? When is that going to be? This Congress hasn’t passed a budget for over 800 days.
You have to pay your bills or suffer the consequences.
The Rebaggers want the credit mode to go on indefinitely.
That won’t fly much longer
TAXES are the income side of the ledger for governments, exactly the same as sales for businesses. Rebaggers, being so close to business, should have no problem with that.
I knew that was coming back as far as Spring 2009. But didn’t know the degree of rotten deception within Obama. Now we progressives know that he has no lower limit.
I believe what you are watching is theater, for the benefit of the each party’s “bases”. The deal has been done for a while, and this is just a show, and you have been sold out on Social Security and Medicare. As George Carlin said, they are coming after these 2 programs, and they will get the money. Obama is trying to show us that he is valiantly fighting for you, but had to capitulate in the face of intrepid Republicans. But, if you follow the thread, who appointed the deficit commission? Obama. Who agreed with Simpson and Bowles? Obama. Who screwed the American people with health care “reform”? Obama. He has been working over “lefties”, softening them up for slaughter. This drama of budget deficit is a show. . There is not a single issue on which Obama stood with the so called PROGRESSIVES. People, wake up. You have been screwed again, ROYALLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
drive by, sorry if this is redundant.
We also don’t know what we don’t know: the unintended consequences. And the consequences of precedent.
Spot on -
the dance continues
Simpson did not get the votes to force a Congressional vote on screwing the aged and sick, so Obama went to Plan B – the debt limit – after the getting GOP to agree that the March continuing budget resolution dance was too early in the program to feature a “grand Compromise” committee.
This is so poorly hidden that it requires extra blinders by the talking heads on MSNBC.
This gets so complicated the average joe (me) gets lost. I’m sure that is the way they want it. I need someone to dumb this down for me!
I am sure Uncle Pete will have a job waiting for Obama..as for the Congress the tribal Dems will hold their noses and vote anyway..if a Dem loses (or a GOP) there is always a lobbyist job in the wings…they just don’t care as long as the money comes in.
Summers says, is entering into a “compact” with the country “that this isn’t just government as usual throwing money at things.” When Obama unveils his annual budget in late February or March, Summers promises that the President “is going to describe the kinds of approaches he wants to take to the entitlement problems that have been ignored for a long time.” Some options might include delaying retirement, stretching benefits and lifting the cap on taxable earnings. Could one of these prevail? “Remains to be seen,” Summers says
did candidate Obama run on this platform? Hell no! Did Obama and the GOP dream up the debt crisis? Hell yea! What about the 27 trillion you gave the Wall st? Oh we can’t get the money back they are my buddies! Now is great time to invest in the market! What a sneaky SOB…hopefully the American people will not delay YOUR RETIREMENT!
Dude, you’re not supposed to mention that trillion dollars.
I predicted something like this endgame of McConnell-Reid on June 28th. I wrote then the following comment:
After the GOP rejected the Grand Bargain I realized that bringing up the cuts to Social Security and Medicare was more kabuki intended to let Progressives think they won a victory when they didn’t happen despite Trillions in spending cuts.
I wrote on July 6th the following comment:
Also on July 6th at Common Dreams I posted the following comment
This has all been a big con. Some of us have seen it coming. But the Obamabots over at HuffPo are going bonkers in their excitement at Obama being the “adult in the room.” Oh well.
Paul Krugman – New York Times Blog
October 30, 2007
Obama and Social Security
Obamabots are delusional. They are the left side of the aisle’s version of the Bush 26%ers. You can’t reason with them.
That being said 26% ain’t going to win him the election. He needs 51%. If he cuts the social safety nets then he’d be hard pressed to get there. I’m not 100% convinced though he really cares if he loses though.
I really hate having this guy as president and dreading, absolutely dreading, what he will “negotiate” behind closed doors. Negotiating in secret is how he operates.
I hate it. Hate being represented by this man how seems to be working to destroy the left and its accomplishments in this nation.
This comment thread is full of complaints about the deal that’s emerging to raise the debt limit. Yet I haven’t seen progressives stand together to oppose this increase. Wouldn’t that be the most powerful position for progressives? Have we already been so softened up and weakened that all we know how to do is whine about our situation?
If progressives hate this deal, we should oppose it. Make it harder for corporate deal-makers to secure progressive votes in the House. If there are no real progressives in office, we should clearly articulate our position on this issue outside of Washington.
Here’s another good reason to do so, in my opinion.
http://dagblog.com/politics/peak-debt-11094
Hope they don’t forget to appoint Paul Ryan to the Catfood Commission. Meetings are so much more fun when you drink $350 bottles of wine.
“He said if we pass Aug. 2, it would be like ‘Star Wars,’” said Rep. Scott DesJarlais, a freshman from Tennessee.
So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.
Those who actually care about Social Security have been trying to wage war against the nutcases who say that the $2.6 trillion trust fund doesn’t exist. So the Caver in Chief comes on TV and says Social Security has run out of money … at some point you need to just give up.