At the risk of harping on a three-minute video, I want to respond to something from over the weekend. Steve Benen had a look at Barack Obama’s last lecture, and let’s just say he had a different reaction. But he made a point that I wanted to get to in my original post, so now I can just get to it here. Benen writes:
I often think about Social Security at its origins. In 1935, FDR accepted all kinds of concessions, excluding agricultural workers, domestic workers, the self-employed, the entire public sector, and railroad employees, among others. And why did the president go along with this? Because Franklin Delano Roosevelt had to cut deals with conservatives, even in his own party — many of whom were motivated by nothing more than racism — in order to get the legislation passed.
When delivering red-meat speeches in public, FDR saw his Republican critics and “welcomed their hatred.” When governing, FDR made constant concessions — even if it meant occasionally betraying his principles and some of his own supporters — in order to get something done.
Obama’s focus on the Huffington Post is probably misplaced — there are far better examples — but the larger point seems persuasive to me. Wouldn’t FDR have faced a bitter backlash from the left? Wouldn’t Lincoln have drawn howls for compromising on the greatest moral crisis in American history?
Um, they did, and we should fill in the history here. I wrote a pretty long story about this for Democracy Journal. Yes, when Roosevelt came up with a meager Social Security system, many of the activists working on the issue for years were unhappy. Rather than cover this territory again, I’ll just quote myself. “Townsend” mentioned here refers to Francis Townsend, the retired physician who led the movement for old-age pensions, building a grassroots army across the country that claimed 20 million supporters.
Townsend went ballistic–some would say crazy. The Depression-era March of Time newsreel series accused Townsend of leading a “lunatic fringe.” Townsend criticized the Roosevelt plan from the day it passed, calling the benefit package completely inadequate and “suitable only for paupers.” He ramped up the Townsend clubs, which, according to political scientist Edwin Amenta, increased tenfold between the end of 1934 and 1936. He used his Townsend Weekly pamphlet to hammer Roosevelt’s Social Security program and its meager benefits. He joined with Gerald L.K. Smith, the head of the Share Our Wealth Society (founded by Huey Long), and the nativist demagogue Father Charles Coughlin to found the National Union for Social Justice, a new political party. The Union’s candidate for president in 1936 grabbed almost one million votes.
In short, Townsend’s reaction mirrored that of the “professional disgruntleists” cited in (Michael) Tomasky’s piece. Rather than justifying the Social Security Act of 1935 as the product of the art of the possible, he loudly proclaimed Roosevelt a sellout and apostate, and did whatever he could to bring him down, even joining in a coalition with those who mostly shared a vendetta against the President instead of a similar ideology. There’s even evidence that Townsend may have been pushed along by his own vanity and the adulation of his millions of followers rather than seriousness and principle–in his 1943 autobiography, New Horizons, Townsend claimed that FDR only enacted Social Security to “stem the Townsend tide.”
Obviously, Townsend’s activism didn’t topple FDR. But it did help lead to tangible, beneficial changes to Social Security. By 1939, Congress had enacted amendments to the Social Security Act that added survivor and dependent benefits. But, to FDR’s progressive opponents, that wasn’t enough. Various social justice coalitions joined Townsend in agitating for higher benefits. Eventually, in 1950, this relentless advocacy produced another round of amendments that added a host of other professions outside of industry and commerce to the Social Security program, and the first cost-of-living adjustment, so that benefits finally outstripped the miniscule amounts in Old Age Assistance. This dynamic continued apace for 30 more years. Disability insurance entered the program in 1956, early retirement became allowable in 1961, and automatic cost-of-living adjustments were added by 1972. All this happened under Democratic and Republican presidents. It’s difficult to conclude that Townsend’s persistent, forceful critique resulted in negative consequences for the policy–in fact, the result was completely salutary. And Townsend wasn’t alone–pension organizations like Ham and Eggs in California, Upton Sinclair’s EPIC movement, the Share Our Wealth Society, and many others pressured Roosevelt in those years, often quite critically, and in the end Social Security became the successful, expansive program we have today.
Similarly, abolitionists were harshly critical when Lincoln compromised on the Emancipation Proclamation. Civil rights leaders were apopletic at early, fatally compromised anti-discrimination legislation. Gay activists went nuts when Obama appeared to squander the opportunity to end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. This is part of our politics, too. And the dissenters are almost always a positive force for progress over time. It’s fair to say that progress wouldn’t come in the form it does without dissent.
A man Barack Obama claims as a hero, Martin Luther King Jr., understood this. He famously said:
I made it very clear that I recognized that justice was indivisible. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. And then there are those who said ‘You’re hurting the civil right movement.’ One spoke to me one day and said, ‘Now Dr. King, don’t you think you’re going to have to agree more with the Administration’s policy. I understand that your position on Vietnam has hurt the budget of your organization. And many people who respected you in civil rights have lost that respect and don’t you think that you’re going to have to agree more with the Administration’s policy to regain this.’ And I had to answer by looking that person into the eye, and say ‘I’m sorry sir but you don’t know me. I’m not a consensus leader.’ [Laughter - Applause] I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of my organization or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.
Politics cannot survive on incrementalists alone. It cannot survive with only an inside game, and a political science conception of the art of the possible. Ultimately it needs people on the outside who look at what the incrementalists have produced, and say “No.” It doesn’t make those people juvenile, it doesn’t make them unrealistic. It makes them an integral part of the democratic process.




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thanks Dave. always good to know the complete history.
Great post, David. Yes, Roosevelt had to understand what was “possible”, but he increased the understanding and acceptance of what was “possible”. Now we have a President who sees everything worth doing as impossible.
So, we have a retirement system that currently pays an average of 39% of our prior wages, compared to 60% average for other industrialized countries.
Obama is not proposing a new, great program and earning criticism from the working class. He is proposing ways to cut already inadequate programs in the guise of austerity, when it really amounts to less taxation for the upper class to pay for misery caused by low, private company wages – wages we subsidize with food stamps and other government programs for the empoyed poor.
Mr. Benen said: “When delivering red-meat speeches in public, FDR saw his Republican critics and ‘welcomed their hatred.’”
At least FDR delivered some “red meat” speeches to the “public” that probably kept his compromises a few degrees further left than right. Barack says that the robber bankers are “savy business guys.” End of story.
DDay: this is exactly right. Without pressure on the “centrists” (read: corporate lackeys, including BHO), nothing good will happen.
The genagology of Social Security is as Dyden describes not so different than Obama’s healthcare of 2010. Which is why the Right opposed it so virgorously.
No matter that it was far from perfect it nevertheless sets the precedent where the US government for the first time has recongnized that citizens have a right to adequate heatlth care. This was never acknowledged before even in principle.
Incrementalism for Obama means impoverishing and enslaving the people by increments. His health care reform for example is not a starter home. It’s a prison cell. In this little video Obama is lying his ass off as usual. Its subtle. He is the artful dancer. But it is pure bullshit in the form of misdirection.
While in theory King Louis XVI was an absolute monarch, in practice he was often indecisive and known to back down when faced with strong opposition.
The next few years were dominated by tensions between various liberal assemblies and a right-wing monarchy intent on thwarting major reforms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
France before the revolution
Obama thinks he is Machiavelli when he’s really the last king of France.
Nice article, David. When you go to apologist sites like Balloon Juice they use the same invective…crazy, emogressives, etc, etc. about unsatisfied lefties. But all those people do is sit around and bj Oilbummer.
Perfect!
Did Lincoln lash out at the Abolitionists as `sanctimonious purists’?
Did Roosevelt attack those who wanted SS to cover more people as `professional leftists’?
Did Gandhi mock the Untouchables?
Meanwhile, the royal court at Versailles was seen as being isolated from, and indifferent to, the hardships of the lower classes.
While he did reduce government expenditures, opponents in the parlements successfully thwarted his attempts at enacting much needed reforms. Those who were opposed to Louis’ policies further undermined royal authority by distributing pamphlets (often reporting false or exaggerated information) that criticized the government and its officials, stirring up public opinion against the monarchy.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
It seems Fox News is not a new idea the whole class warfare meme the GOP loves even as they lie to push GOP ideas because facts won’t support their arguments actually encourages class warfare later on…interesting.
Actually, Obama care sanctions and institutionalizes extortion in the guise of private health insurance. What’s needed is single payer. A step in the right direction would have been a “public option”.
Read the link their are lots of similarities between Obama and the last king of France both in the situations they deal with and personally. Scary Similar
Good points. Those epithets try to manipulate people to fall in line.
Thank you. This seems to be a point that is being missed entirely in this.
I can see a case being made that the President did the best he could and got things started in reforming Health Care. I don’t agree, but I can see a possible case. No such case can be made for the President’s actions regarding Social Security and Medicare. How is the President expanding them incrementally? How is he making them stronger?
As with so much else coming from this President, it is smoke and mirrors to distract and defend the indefensible.
You don’t lash out at your base you govern for the benefit of all people they are every rulers base helping the elite at the expense of the base in a crisis is asking for rebellion and given how Glen Beck and Fox New’s ratings are falling off it won’t be the Tea Baggers bringing in change unless they arrange a Coup.
“FDR saw his Republican critics and “welcomed their hatred.” When governing, FDR made constant concessions — even if it meant occasionally betraying his principles and some of his own supporters — in order to get something done.”
Did FDR ever punch old hippies No he went after the people fighting him on change. Obama is the anti FDR he attacks his base instead of the elite rich ruling class. Instead of fighting for us compromises to get the rich as much as he can get them.
Obama reads FDR from a mirror’s reflection.
amen. that IS the insider’s (and insider wannabes) game.
the engaged-citizens’ role is working to make possible what now looks totally impossible.
what a great couple of lines. thanks and noted for future use.
Obama is no incrementalist. He and the Democratic party have been moving us BACKWARDS, fast, for decades. At this point, we have lost almost all the ground progressives have gained over the last century and a half.
We are living in a Gilded Age economic reality now. Virtual slavery is now the reality of the ‘global marketplace’. Jim Crow is back in America, but we call it the Drug War. America is becoming a Nazi-ish police state. etc.
But you don’t see any of that, do you?
If FDR ever did anything good, it was because a powerful Left forced him too. And that’s a big IF, because like Lyndon Johnson, he used foreign war to begin to undermine everything progressive he accomplished, which he accomplished despite himself. Make no mistake – FDR was a man of the overclass.
The Obama bill did not enshrine a right to health care, but a duty to buy private health insurance.
not the same thing.
Yes, that’s why you a vibrant working class movement filled with Marxists and anarchists. Without them, nothing can be accomplished because liberals don’t generally believe in direct action. Some of my lib friends equate direct action w/violence and fascism–which is ridiculous. But the pampered middle class doesn’t like to get its hands dirty.
And yet:
Tea Party Debt Plan Takes Center Stage, Vote Expected This Week
FDR also sign off on Executive Order 9066. Just another one of the very embarrassing, devastating blemishes in our history.
What I don’t understand is why Obama accepts almost all Republican talking points and buys into them. When the Republicans say the biggest problem this country faces is the deficit, Obama instantly agrees with them and bends over backwards to accommodate them. The biggest problem facing the country is the deficit, not unemployment.
When Republicans call Social Security an entitlement, Obama buys into it and starts calling an insurance policy an entitlement. Our leaderless country is in trouble. Obama and the politicians are not even serious when they talk about unemployment. I don’t think I can stand 4 more years of this kind of stupidity. He calls himself a centrist but he appoints 14 Republicans and 4 Democrats to the Social Security study group. A centrist would appoint 9 and 9.
Then when they call for a cut in entitlements ( which are not entitlements, but money contributed by workers) he buys into it. I am supposed to watch an incompetent president go along with every Republican talking point while I watch friends and relatives lose houses and jobs and vote for these politicians who can not solve the problem?
ACA has two – and only two – good points – but could have had many more if every decision had not bent right – far right and corporate.
As you note an expensive unsustainable form of universal care is now the law, and perhaps the idea of a right to health care will develop between 2014 when it starts and 2016 when he leaves office, plus there is a pot of gold – $600 billion – that has been set aside as a welfare check for the health insurance companies as their subsidy for those that can’t afford their premiums – and that money is available for real reform.
In contrast to FDR, who used actuaries to produce a system that mathematically would be good for a hundred years, the Obama ACA runs up the health care cost from 15% to 21% in ten years in 2021 on its way to 100% of GDP.
No Obama is not FDR – he doesn’t want to be – he’d rather be Reagan.
No matter that it was far from perfect it nevertheless sets the precedent where the US government for the first time has recongnized that citizens have a right to adequate heatlth care. This was never acknowledged before even in principle.
Surely Medicare and Medicaid acknowledged this principle, the assumption being that everyone else was covered by affordable and adequate private plans.
Obama has proven to be even less than a searcher for consensus. The idea that he’s using consensus or compromise to arrive at policy is absurd and a complete charade. He’s getting everything he and the oligarchs want.
Exactly right, David …
As citizens — hell, as humans — it’s not just our right but arguably our duty to criticize leaders for what we see as unnecessary compromises. Dismissively mocking that is wrong-headed and ultimately self-defeating … if your goals really overlap the goals of those you claim as your political base.
If your supposed goals are just just political theatre, though, and your actual base of support doesn’t really include the people you mock, then it might make sense. It’s popular to point out that tea baggers have been manipulated into generally supporting people who are working against their interests, but there aren’t a lot of differences between that and how the Democratic leadership treats the Left. Some differences, yes, because the audience is different. (For instance, there’s no left-equivalent of Rush to ritually apologize to after a ritual hippie-punching.)
Did FDR call the barons of Wall Street “savvy businessmen” while he let them loot the Treasury with no accountability?
Obama like the last King of France has problems many of his own making because he is weak.
Part of the problem and the source of so much criticism is Obama’s penchant for and practice of aiming so low at the outset and his willingness to pre-emptively compromise.
Any good negotiator knows that you always start off by asking for 2-3 times what you’re ultimately willing to settle for. You don’t start at rock bottom and work your way down from there.
I’m saving this post. Great quotes I’ve never read before. Great history. Love the Coughlin-Townsend connection.
I think part of Obama’s views as a “consensus seeker” is based on false equivalences. He’s been saturated by the media trope and version of the meaning of “bipartisan”. Here in this lecture its the Republican Party vs. Huffington Post (e.g. blogs). General progressive opinion is not the same as a counter ideology that is actually well organized and funded as one of two main national political parties.
When Obama stops the lecturing and barely disguised patronizing (and naive) tone with his own base – he has a chance of recovering his potential. The “grow up” line has got to go. If anyone needs to mature it is Obama.
He ultimately got his way on SS, getting Wall St off his back by agreeing to allow the corporatists supporting Hitler after WWII was declared a free pass from facing charges of treason, for which the punishment in wartime is death. This set the stage for today’s arrogance, the Too Big to Fail nonsense.
I would suggest that maybe it is because he agrees with them.
Asshole conservatives; re-writing history whenever they feel like it.
He knows that. He’s not really negotiating in good faith.
tell the man ….
note the last sentence from MLK
‘Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.’
In the rich pig a$$ ki$$ing world of DLC-Third Way $ell 0ut$, molding consensus means pumping out the latest doublethink to justify all of us doormats, back scratchers, catch farts, serfs and cannon fodders to STFU and be good little doormats, back scratchers, catch farts, serfs and cannon fodders.
I didn’t look too closely at the criticisms of 0bummer in 2008 – I figured it was a safe bet that Hillary was gonna give me more years of CLINTON sell outism – I just HOPED the guy would seize the moment and the day and start changes worthy of us chaining ourselves to the private jets of the privateers – yawn. I wouldn’t piss on anyone in his administration if they were on fire.
rmm.
What’s your take tanbark? Maybe you should share the truth with the rest of us. Don’t leave us in the dark.
There is no better example of this than the monumental impact that the Tea Party has had on right-wing poltics and politicians.
No, Obama would like to be Reagan pretending he’s Lincoln.
Yes. Things got turned inside out in that case. Very interesting. What the Democrats tried to sublimate post meltdown the Tea Party gave raging form to. They used the outrage to what everyone could barely bring to consciousness on the bail out of Wall Street to pure advantage against government in general.
That energy and anger was meant for progressive change and yet…BWHAHAHAHAH!
That was a mistake he should have prosecuted then passed SS by pointing out the no votes all took cash from Hitler loving rich people. But still FDR’s mistakes are better than Obama’s *cough* successes.
Obama has redefined compromise to include outright surrender.
But are you really angry?
What is the compromise position between the truth and a lie? Tolerance and bigotry?
On the mark David! This is an issue of morality. And, to the blogs on incrementalism: Amen! Our policy technocrats worship at alter of Charles Lindbloom, generally known as the author of “muddling through” as a style of policy execution. It generally keeps the bureaucracy in line and reinforces the status quo.
Obama is supposed to be a smart fellow, but it sure seems like he’s just sort of “Forrest Gumping” his way through this Presidency thing.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
Excellent, David. Thanks.
*raises hand* Oooh! I know! I know!
Because he’s a Republican, he hates everyone who’s not in his little “elite” group and he wants to see us suffer. That’s why! All that matters to him is the approval of the Beltway (Republican) media, since they will write his “legacy”. So he does what Very Serious People do, and to hell with those damn hippies and the uneducated rabble.
Now you know.
DDay, I’ve always said that people should support whoever they want, that we shouldn’t try to repress dissent.
But I see major differences between what you describe regarding Townsend’s dissent and what is going on today. Townsend organized a movement to agitate for specific changes. What I see now is Neroism– burn it all down so that things get so bad that people will at last see that the program of the Judean People’s Front is superior.
The Greens or other left independent parties have not managed to gain even one congressional seat. The only independent left Senator proved himself by serving first as an effective mayor and next as an effective congressman. Even insurgents inside the Democratic party have done very poorly. The kerfuffle in California 36, where Bowen and Winograd split the vote and elected a less-competent version of Jane Harman is yet one more example of this kind of self-destructiveness. I look at the petty squabbling between DK and FDL and wonder what people are thinking. Folks, this is the 11th hour.
Unless people are prepared to sacrifice, to organize, and to compromise to form a broad-based coalition, then it’s hard for me to take it seriously. Heck, FDL has to struggle to get a few hundred people to put a crowbar in their wallets to support this website. What chance does such a movement have, if its own members are unwilling to sacrifice?
It is one thing to sue for peace when you’ve played your best hand and gotten what you can. It is an entirely different matter to fold just as the game is beginning. Obama throws away the winning hand time after time. Can you say Public Option? The man is a fraud and a corporate shill.
Great Post, DDay!!
Imagine if you can, and in which 40 years from today, America’s “racial and ethnics” are in the majority, and where there is a Progressive Caucus in the United States Senate. Thus, in both Chambers, the “People’s Budget” is the “baseline” for addressing our fiscal as well as our social concerns.
And from this standpoint in time, President Obama and Vice President Biden, are far from being far-sighted. To wit, the “stamp of approval” will be delivered to “progressives” via this majority of the “racial and ethnics.” Consequently, Obama and Biden have no conception for Hope or Change. Simply put, by removing the contribution cap on Social Security, the recipients would inevitably see an “increase” in their monthly checks.
And of course, my disagreement with Obama/Biden is that are both “regressives” when it comes to “empowering the Individual.” Furthermore, when it came to healthcare, they, too, dismissed “medical care delivered” and opted instead to “reconstruct” the medical insurance industry. Perhaps, a more apt description for Obama/Biden is that they are “reconstructive” Regressives?
Jaango
You ask whether Roosevelt punched “old hippies.” I would point out that the House un-American Activities Committee began under Democratic leadership. During World War II, while the fate of the world hung in the balance, New Deal Democrats were engaged in repressing the far left trade unions. I forget who was banned and who was tolerated, but the split of Henry Wallace from the Democratic Party in 1948 represented a crystallization of a deep, simmering anger against the mainstream of the New Deal. The rift that created helped directly lead to McCarthyism.
Roosevelt was a charming man, and quite devious in a good way. He probably wasn’t so clumsy as to “punch” potential allies in public. But I don’t think there’s any evidence he was listening to the left except to the degree that he felt they could help him do what he wanted.
So maybe FDR didn’t “punch hippies,” but Hubert Humphrey and Bobbie Kennedy and many other icons who emerged during or soon after FDR sure did.
It doesn’t set up the precedent that US citizens have the right to adequate health care. It sets up the precedent that US citizens have the responsibility to purchase private for-profit health insurance.
What Pure Nonsense!
Comparing OBOMBA to FDR? This is absurd (as well as tragic). You might as well compare Dick Cheney to Mother Teresa while you’re at it. The validity would be the same.
First of all, Obama has not simply made mere “concessions”. He has aggressively accepted at each and every turn the most extreme right-wing framing of the entire issue, and also beat back well-intentioned attempts from Democratic congressman to reframe the issues.
His Presidency is basically indistinguishable from a Mitt Romney Presidency, or a John McCain Presidency, or a George W. Bush Presidency:
. Pro-War, Pro-Preemptive War, Pro-undeclared War, Pro-Starting Wars.
. Suspension of Habeas Corpus, Military Tribunals, CIA Renditions, Human Torture.
. Bailouts to Billionaires.
. “Trickle-Down” Economics.
. Unconstitutional Police-State Authoritarianism and Secrecy.
. Protection of Wall Street Crimes
. Protection of War Crimes.
. Criminalization of Whistleblowers.
. Open contempt and mockery of The Left.
. A committed belief in the cutback FDR’s Social saftey net policies (including the appointment of a “commission” composed of anti-Social-Security ideologues).
These are not “concessions” folks.
This is nothing but an unrestrained, unabated, and criminal right-wing, Corporatist-Fascist Wall Street, Warfare State agenda that has been relentlessly pursued over and over by OBOMBA.
He’s not ending any Wars, he’s got 5 WARS going on simultaneously (more than Bush) on his watch (even though the Democratic Party won the Elections way back in 2006 on the platform of ending the Wars). And Goerge Bush could never have cut Social Security because the Democratic Party resistence would have been too great.
But Obama can and will.
That’s his agenda.
An agenda that no right-winger with an R next to their name could have ever hoped to acheive.
FDR would welcome Obama’s hatred.
Obama welcomes the hatred of only The Left.
I’m so glad you continued to expound on this topic challenging the false wisdom of Obama. Thanks, DD, keep the lessons coming.
Not only impossible, but off the table, too radioactive, wishing truth tellers remain silent.
For the past 2+ years now, I have wondered why the Black community supports the President in large numbers in spite of the obvious damage being done to programs which further erode those communities. Kevin Alexander Gray states: “If you dare to tell it like it is, you instantly and unsparingly get bashed and called a “hater.”
Obama and Black America
In other words, they are afraid to acknowledge the truth of what Obama is doing to their communities. It is almost hard to believe that after having a leader such as Martin Luther King who says “I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of my organization or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.”, that it is now “acceptable” to back a “leader” who works AGAINST that communities best interests.
Yes, at best he’s just compromising on the level of austerity. Prosperity, liberal vision and worldview aren’t even allowed at the table.
Not just savvy business guys, they have a seat on his left hand and his right. They inflate his ego, are his fluffers and objects for his man-crushes.
Whether we welcome Obama’s hatred or not, we get it.
Well said.
Obama welcomes liberal’s despair.
– Imka@21
While what you say is mostly true, it’s also true that the hatred he cultivated was real.
Do a search for Mike Sax and troll.
“Here’s another way Firedoglake is like Rush Limbaugh” – Mike Sax
I learned the hard way.
In response to CharlesII @ 52
The movements have already begun. It’s hard for me to take what you wrote seriously, since you crossed that line.
Take your concern troll-ism where it’s welcome.
I think this is a particularly bad time to equate people’s desire for change with how much they are able to contribute to “support this website” as you put it. A whole lot of people don’t have the financial means to do more than exist from day to day. I give when I can for specific issues. More than that is not possible. I understand that your financial circumstances may be more comfortable, but please show a little empathy.
Thank you. You said what I meant but very much more kindly.
How about good and evil. THis guy would split any perceived difference. His students said he never took a position in his law school classes. He just invited discussion. That’s him. No opinion. No convictions. No principles. No good he wont compromise. No evil he wont embrace. A winner.
He’d want to befriend evil and embrace it, let bygones be bygones. Hell, even give em a free pass on future transgressions if they’d only share a beer with him.
Once again, David, your posts leave one with little else to say but, “Thank you.”
Gesneri, I have all the empathy in the world for individuals who lack the funds–or the time, for that matter– to support causes. But when a movement doesn’t have the resources to support itself, it goes nowhere.
Forrest, I can tell that you’re young and dumb. Rather than telling you to just p–s off, which is what you deserve, I refer you to my decade of online writing (e.g. here, e.g. here) and ask you whether you think I am a concern troll. Only very young and dumb people–or agents provocateur–try to kindle flame wars in the manner you have just done.
Yes!
late to the party…
but this is a variation on Tribalism.
aka: It’s OK when MY guy does it, but horrible when the OTHER guy does it.
I’m quite used to it from the Right, but it’s still soooo aggravating how much of it comes from what used to be considered the Left!
The excerpt the White House made available on July 14 and then publicized has its own context, since the event itself was March 8. The July 14 excerpt is about the abstract value of Compromise, which is a completely banal point. But to present the Emancipation Proclamation as primarily about compromise with slaveowners reveals an amazingly conservative outlook. In the terms of the time, the Proclamation turned a conventional war (one army fighting another) into a revolutionary war, in which one side intends to overthrown the social system of the other and to encourage insurrection behind their lines. And neither slaveowners nor Abolitionists missed its significance at the time. This piece by historian John Hope Franklin tells the story in a meaningful context: http://1.usa.gov/nmP9v5
Machiavelli was also a big failure at politics…”the prince”(literary) was presented to one of the ruling Borgia degenerates (the prince actual) as a kind of resume..Nicollo did not get the job…in fact, i thik Cesares reaction on reading it was something like, hey this guy might be dangerous, throw him in a dungeon till he learns his place. so maybe B.O does, in some way resemble, the grossly over referenced, Nicollo Machiavelli.
Don’t take it personally, I responded to stupid statements.
If you can’t spot the movements, then maybe someone else can point you in their direction.
I’m done with people calling for where’s the organizing, when there are already so many opportunities to participate, words decrying lack thereof just lead me to think one is not looking.
I stand by what I wrote. Write like a concern troll and learn to recognize when you sound like one. And as for your pieces, so what. Doesn’t change my opinion one bit.
When I look back at the history of the FDR years I see leadership. FDR didn’t merely react to the left, he led the nation in a very proactive manner. And he did so with a political party which was loaded to the brim with rascist dixiecrats.
For example, the left didn’t force him to part ways with the lords of finance in the opening days of his admin. FDR proactively decided not to play ball with that crowd at the 1933 London Financial Conference. In the words of historian Thomas Ferguson:
FDR wasn’t a left winger but he most certainly was a leader proactively trying to make the nation a better place to live.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/tales-of-totus-the-presidents-teleprompter/