The best summary of the Gang of Six proposal can be found in this two-page document that’s been floating around. And from what I see, it closely mirrors the Bowles-Simpson report while being sufficiently vague so as not to raise anyone’s ire.
Kent Conrad said this was a 3:1 ratio of spending to tax solutions. But, he was quick to point out, CBO would score this proposal as a tax cut of $1.5 trillion, and actually, I think that number would be bigger. The reason is the Bush tax cuts, which are set to expire at the end of 2012. Under current law, doing nothing would raise $4 trillion by returning tax rates to the Clinton level. But this deal would reduce marginal income tax rates and eliminate the alternative minimum tax. Then there’s a lot of happy talk about “encouraging economic growth” and “enhancing the competitiveness of American businesses and workers against global competition.” What they’re talking about is the same stew of lowering the rates and broadening the base that we’ve seen countless times. So loopholes and tax expenditures would be thrown out, and rates would go down. It’s not specified how this would be done.
Actually, very little is specific in this framework. Of the $3.7 trillion in deficit reduction planned, only $500 billion would be immediate (and all on the spending cut side). The rest would come by directing Congressional committees to find savings in key programs, enforcing that through spending caps. The tax reform would happen on a separate track. Congress would need a 2/3 vote to exceed the spending caps installed in this package, and “emergency” spending would be restricted.
Simply put, this is a recipe for depression. When the economy suffered and stimulus would be required to increase aggregate demand, the 2/3 vote needed would simply put a stop to it. The New Deal would have been out of order under this regime. Same with the Recovery Act. Any spending from the federal government would be restricted as much as it is in the states. So there could only be the status quo or contraction in fiscal policy in the event of a recession, which is a perfect way to create a depression.
There’s also talk in this document of “ensuring the 75-year solvency of Social Security and provide for a decennial review of the program to ensure it remains solvent.” Money from Social Security would not go toward reducing the budget deficit, but this 10-year review would mean that the program would likely be tweaked each decade.
The explanation of Medicare and Medicaid is similarly vague, only discussing how to “Spend health care dollars more efficiently in order to strengthen Medicare and Medicaid,
while maintaining the basic structure of these critical programs.” The doc fix would also be paid for in the deal.
The President, jumping on the bipartisan grand bargain he always wanted, immediately praised the proposal, calling it “broadly consistent with the approach that I’ve urged.” He said that Congress should move quickly on the bill.
But this isn’t even a bill, really, as far as I can see, just a promise to write a bill in the future, and to adhere to a crippling spending cap that would kill the economy in bad times and deny investment in good times. The tax overhaul is similarly unformed.
We’re two weeks from a default event, needless to say. This seems like the worst possible time to get aboard a completely new venture that would have huge implications. Or the best, depending on your perspective.
Nobody’s yet explained to me why House Republicans, having rejected a big deal of the same size with the same amount of revenue increases, would suddenly accept this one, but I’m sure that will be made plain to me somewhere down the line.
Surely cutting $3.7 trillion and completely overhauling the fiscal policy of the United States, as well as the tax code, will pave the way for a liberal utopia and investment in everything we care about, right? That’s the way things work, yes?





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I feel like a fell through the damned looking glass. What reality do these morons live in? I am usually an optimist verging on Pollyanna but this stuff has me really down in the dumps.
The politico-economic equivalent of Jonestown.
Except that we’re the ones who will be forced to drink the Koolaid.
Right On it David! I have enjoyed your analysis of this spectacle from the beginning. Details, details… You know how the timing will work, what won’t be appropriated, and revenue that won’t appear… You’ve probably already seen this but as they say, just in case:
Wall Street’s Euthanasia of Industry
By Michael Hudson
July 17, 2011 “Information Clearing House” – Michael Hudson interviewed on Guns N Butter with Bonnie Faulkner Listen here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28612.htm
Well, that does seem “broadly consistent with his approach” to problems. Remember the Health Insurance Industry Profit Guarantee and Subsidization Act? He had to pass that bill so that someone could “fix it later”.
Hmmm. I just don’t know how republicans are going to deal with this. They have thrown out their oath of office and took the Grover Norquist pledge to never-ever raise a tax.
I think the issue is not revenue versus spending and increasing the debt ceiling, but rather a person or group usurping our Government. Isn’t that a crime worthy of more notice?
Great cartoon, but they are making asses out of US.
Why not an organized protest of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid: chaining ourselves to the White House fence.
Obama would hate that optic but it might make him back off (DADT reform suddenly moved forward after Dan Choi and others repeatedly did so.)
Obama hates to be emabarrassed publicly: the torture of Bradley Manning was also halted soon after donors at a fundraiser stood up and called Obama out to his face (actually, sung out!)
I’m on the wrong coast, but if enough senior groups did that, on a rotating basis, whenever Obama made a move to cutting the safety net, embarrass the White House repeatedly, it might slow Obama’s insane plans down to a crawl.
Yes, and it’s called “The Invasion of the Body Snatchers”, that old SNL skit where everyone who falls asleep is replaced by a Republican spouting Reagan-like slogans. But it’s our representative government that’s fallen asleep and been replaced by these corrupt, mindless, heartless drones.
And it is RICO on steroids.
Next 4 days in DC are 94 degrees, 95 degrees 101 degrees and 100 degrees. Don’t really see that as an option for seniors.
That’s exactly the right idea and tactic to take. It’s proven to work.
Fearing what’s happening in DC, and growing increasing anxious about government’s unwillingness to see the source of the debt, and act to restrain that debt, is evidence of sanity. Many apolitical people who study these matters, long ago predicted the dire outcome that unfolds before our eyes. The Beneficiaries of; government largess, programs, safety nets, regulations, direct and indirect graft and lobbying, and the ideologues who pushme pullyou further and further into the Chamber of 32 Doors are also to blame. Greed, envy, animosity borne from personal failure, drive the Left’s debate — they blindly rest against the spear point of Democrat propoganda. The recently pragmatic Right sees the debt, and knows the source – if not the means to explain the solution well to those citizens who are not yet dependent upon government. The indolent class will purpose evade acknowledging that their appetites and dependence are causal mechanisms that increase the debt. Excusing their behaviors and failures, the Left panders to these souls for political advantage; ignoring the catastrophy in their actions — past and present. The Right abdicated their declared political purpose for five years and plowed the ground for what happens now. Spending is the problem. A 25% increase in the size of government and the associated costs, since 2009, are why the debt IS; what it is, today. 1.5 trillion for 2009, 2010, and 2011 plus the 3.4 trillion sent abroad to foreign banks who invested in sub-prime, (undeclared Stimulus payouts) is the reason for the pending collapse. The Health Care program awaits in the wings to drive a stake thru the heart of economic solvency. The costs to citizens are the tax they sought to avoid when voting Obama. Taxes are not always found on the paycheck detail. Inflation is under-reported to purposely deceive the public… so spending may increase; unabated, And if a person can’t see the increasing costs at the store, they deserve the fate ignorance bears. Each citizen, irrespective of age, owes what? …Half a million bucks to the treasury; and that obligation grows with each passing second. The insanity is clear and present. So is the financial collapse. I doubt it is avoidable. I do fear for my country, my family, my future — and yours too. We are effed.
The Democratic Party is dead. A political party is more the commissions and frames and memes and spin and triangulation and process.
A political party is an expression of values or at minimum a means of bringing home the bacon to the people who vote for it.
Does anyone know what the Democratic Party values anymore? And it appears that it’s main goal is to guarantee I have no retirement security and whatever lies ahead is worse than today.
Co-Chairs Raúl M. Grijalva and Keith Ellison & Budget Task Force Chair Michael Honda Blast Republican Plan to End Medicare
LINK.
“Greed, envy, animosity borne from personal failure, drive the Left’s debate…”
especially Paul Krugman. Nothing breeds greed, envy and animosity like the
personal failure of a chair at Princeton and a Nobel Prize.
I’ll have whatever it is you’re smoking.
They value money and power.
In short, the same thing as the other side of the aisle values.
Naw, you want a lot better stuff than what he’s smoking.
It’s good today… a mixture of rage, despair, and fatalistic acceptance. Kind of a schizophrenic 12 Step program abetted by LSD flashbacks.
My question for them is
What are they going to do about it?
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/macbeth/macbeth.5.5.html
Be careful man. Did you read that shit???
If that shit does that someone’s brain, please be careful.
Just a suggestion, our system allows for paragraph breaks. You might consider using them so it is easier for people to read your comments.
Pragmatic right?
Isn’t it convenient after espousing “deficits don’t matter” for almost a decade that now they reall, really care about the deficit(except if it means raising taxes on the rich)?
Idiotic right is more apt.
There wasn’t much in there worth reading.
Trust me.
The first reports only said that there would be savings from the repeal of a section of the Affordable Care Act (aka “health care reform”) It took a little looking but found it on Page three of the summary: “Repeal the CLASS Act.” What? Aside from the obvious joke about these thugs getting rid of a class act, I wondered what that was exactly. It was long term care insurance to help people maintain themselves in the community outside of an institution eating up Medicaid dollars.
Title VIII. Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act (CLASS Act)
DING!
Past the stages of idiotic. Seriously, they need to be in a padded room where they can’t hurt anyone else!
I’m on the East Coast — and can’t afford the trip to DC.
But seniors passing out from heat stroke might bring home to some of those DC Dems, Versailles courtiers, and this stealth Republican president that actions have consequences.
Anybody else sensing a bit of Orwellian doublespeak with the whole “Reform Social Security for future generations” header?
Hey just your friendly neighborhood Firedog trying to be helpful. I make no claims on the value of the content, just a suggestion as to ease of reading.
I was even kind and left out the part where they opposed cutting down on the war machine to reduce the deficit.
Let’s see we waged war in Iraq over nothing, we’re waging war over in Libya over what they are also doing over in our “ally” countries. We’re waging war in Afghanistan over a group that originated and gained control in Pakistan. Oh and we’re waging war over a tactic that’s been alive well past 2 centuries and was actually instrumental in obtaining our own liberty.
Yeah the GOP is filled with idiocy. They see boogeymen everywhere.
I think I can sum it up, though: it’s all the FAULT of lazy brown people who are sucking at the teat and ruining life for those WHITE people who work so *hard.* Something like that anyway…
Okay, then pre-seniors, indoors, in swim suits.
Unfortunately this is what happens when so few people have a financial stake in the country. We need to broaden out the tax base, get more people involved and paying attention.
Yeah the Democratic contigent intends to sell their sellout as structural changes intended to “save social security.”
Warner’s(my senator)office really tried to hard sell me on the idea that the good Senator is only looking out for my best interest and the best interest of future generations by steal-I mean restructuring the program. I mean, goodness 2037 is right around the corner.
And if the CLASS act benefits would not be paid with tax dollars, and if it would help reduce the cost of Medicaid, what is the point of repealing it?
The nursing home and long term insurance lobbies perhaps? How much other chaff and hidden special favors are hidden in here?
6 rich, old white guys making economic policy for the rest of us. What could possibly go wrong?
There isn’t single person who has worked a day in their life who doesn’t have a financial stake in this country.
Heck, the Iraq war was waged with Burger King worker’s future retiree contributions.
It’s absolutely a falsehood that a single person in this country escapes taxes.
YES!
Make the treasury pay back the owed T-notes and spend time and money on putting America back to work! Problem solved!
excuse me, federal income taxes. Payroll taxes aren’t going towards that defense and discretionary spending.
What do you have against getting more people engaged in what is going on in Washington?
The chained CPI is theft by percentages.
What you said. TWOOPH!
Ah, you called Warner’s office too.
I got basically the same crap.
I didn’t even call Webb’s. They won’t take my calls anymore. That’s OK though, I’d like to think (even though it’s likely not true) that my work of getting pledges to vote against him played a role in his deciding not to even run for re-election. Asshole. Can’t believe I voted for him AND Obama. Voted for Warner too, although I did know what I was getting with him.
Not anymore. And Tim BLUEDOG Kaine is NOT getting my, of most of my family’s, vote either.
No more right wing Democrats. If I wanted right wing pols I’d just vote Republican.
I had a feeling the “reform” wouldn’t be, like, instituting a financial speculation tax so the retirement age could be lowered. Or anything, you know, that would help normal Americans.
The poor paid for the wars in bad schools, bad roads, bad jobs, bad food and toxic environments.
Honey! Payroll taxes are taxes for the Federal and State government.
Where do you think the government gets the money from?
THere’s likely so few persons in this country that don’t pay taxes that they represent less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the population. And no, I’m not counting payroll taxes.
Please stop trying to spread bullshit that the facts don’t support.
“Never let a crisis go to waste”
The problem with that is that Federal income taxes aren’t the only means of funding Congress has had access to.
They stole 1.8 trillion dollars from future retirees.
That’s right the people you are whining about having had no stake in our government helped fund the war with their future retirement funds. Funds that Congress is now whining about having to pay back.
Webb isn’t answering his phone. You just get leave a message blah blah, blah.
Closer to $50k, but we get the point.
Anybody that drives a car pays quite a bit in federal gas taxes. Anyone that smokes or drinks alcohol pays, federal taxes appear on many telephone, cell phone, and ISP bills.
Taxes are everywhere; everyone pays them, and it’s complete BULLSHIT to suggest that only a “few” pay for the government. Just more right wing complete bullshit.
These guys love the sound of the word ‘deficit’, they love to say it whenever they can because it sounds like a dirty word — or two rolled into one (‘defecate’ and ‘shit’), like a Certs mint. It reminds me of how George Wallace would say “forced bussing” and make it sound like anal rape.
Uh- since payroll taxes like the social security surplus we were running went into the general fund- yes they were utilized to fund the war.
I don’t know where you get your info from but it’s wrong.
I don’t see money as solely the only way to contribute to this country.
Exactly!
You pay a big tax when you buy a car, tires to go on it, and then a yearly property tax.
In my state we pay 7.5% sales tax on our food and goods. There is no way to escape being taxed unless you live out in the woods off the grid and then you still have to pay your property tax!
Except when a Republican President is in the White House.
Then “defecate and shit” don’t matter.
I know there are members in both the house and the senate who agree that the ways to “reform” social security and make it viable for 75 years is to eliminate the income cap on FICA taxes. And, the way to start reforms in Medicare is by allowing Part D to negotiate drug prices the same way the Veteran’s Admin does. So, why is it when they start leaking out these details of their grand plans that I don’t ever hear these but instead I hear talk about increasing eligibility ages, means testing, larger deductibles etc. I’m not even saying those are automatically bad ideas. But, why would anyone ever consider any of these BEFORE eliminating the cap on FICA taxes and negotiating drug prices? It makes no sense at all.
I guess the emissaries for the “pragmatic right” aren’t any better at math then the people they tout as intelligent.
What’s a few zero placeholders among friends.
BackEast evidently skipped some years of education or is a Trust Fund babe. Either way, the result is the same.
Does anyone not fear for the future yet? If Obama loses in 2012, we’re doomed. If he wins, we’re not much better-off. Either way we’ll be oppressed by extremist right-wing, crackpot schemes.
The summary has a lot of hand waving and procedural constraints that leaves room for details that could have horrendous consequences. I won’t say “unintended consequences” because I suspect they are intended and just need to be obfuscated now to prevent citizens from understanding the results at this late hour in the negotiations. The Gang of Six is using the “crisis” to do what plutocrats always attempt. Three tax brackets topping out at 29%? Really?
Actually no.
Payroll Tax:
Your contribution to Social Security and Medicare: 15.3% of your salary, up to a limit, half of which is paid by your employer.
The payroll tax isn’t a true “tax” in the sense that it isn’t supposed to be a source of revenue for the government – it’s supposed to be a contribution to an account that you’ll be entitled to withdraw benefits from at a later date.
Oh I know.
It frosts their cookies that people at the bottom of the economic totem pole aren’t forced to payout the same as they are.
It frosts my cookies that they whine about having to pay money when the system has generously allowed them to acquire so much. Even to the point where they become apologists for some of the most egregarious of upper class welfare queens like Jamie Dimon.
Notice how Obama and the Democratic ‘leadership’ never appoints anyone like Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown, or Al Franken to these commissions?
The key words being- isn’t supposed to.
How has that worked out thus far?
Sanders isn’t bi-partisan-y. He might actually get something that might actually contribute to the economic well being of the 80% who own next to nothing.
True! It is not a tax, it is an insurance premium. It is my social insurance premium that is not to be part of the Government’s general funding.
That is not my point. My point is that we all pay taxes above and beyond the SS/Medicare payments. The government does not and should not USE that insurance program as a bargaining chip for anything having to do with war debt or spending deficits!
Raising the cap would antagonize the rich. They can ignore the tax on small amounts of income but eventually they’ll notice and they won’t like it.
What exactly do you mean?
The chained CPI will strip out inflation adjustments to Social Security, pension benefits adjustments for veterans and federal employees and other benefits subject to upward inflation adjustments dependent upon a fair CPI.
This will slowly make those recipients’ benefits become worth less and less over time.
Let’s compromise and call it inscrutable? I don’t know if FICA funds are untouchable, or when employer contributions are paid. Federal and state withholding taxes don’t go into a holding fund pending one’s eventual filing in April. The funds are appropriated by coercion and extortion, which is deemed to be just while not being fair. I’d rather live on Neptune if I could get there.
Exactly! So if your current SS check is $800.00 per month, it will stay at that amount for ten years from now while goods and services increase monthly!
They aren’t untouchable – that’s the problem.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/27/retirement/surplus/index.htm
The last thing we want to do is piss off the rich. Isn’t that engraved in the floor at the Capital?
I’m not sure this “shared sacrifice” is working out to my satisfaction.
As I understand it, incoming FICA funds pay current benefits, and the surplus goes into the “Trust Fund”. Except when there’s not a surplus, like this year. In that case some of the past surplus is withdrawn from the trust fund. The $2.6T trust fund is a big piggy bank that the Congress borrows from – but must pay back. So SS kind of funds wars and such, but not directly.
Sanders also has a bad habit of telling the truth. That makes him a bad team player.
There was a surplus for well over 30 years.
The idea that the little people who pay nothing but payroll taxes haven’t been “invested” is absurd for exactly that reason.
If they cut benefits and, as some on the right have proposed, “default” on those IOU’s in the trust fund, then it can be said SS taxes funded wars (and tax cuts and everything else) DIRECTLY.
And that is exactly what their game plan is. Social Security is not in imminent danger. It doesn’t add one penny to the deficit. The reason they’re so hell bent on
cuttingreforming it is because they don’t want to raise the taxes to pay back all of those IOU’s in the trust fund.I think you’re overstating it a bit. From the reports I’ve read, the difference is about .2% difference between CPI and C-CPI.
http://www.bls.gov/cpi/super_paris.pdf
You don’t like where you get bamboozled into sharing money with government under the mistaken impression you might get to retire someday and instead end up funding a lousy war that benefits Halliburton or Boeing?
Go figure.
Except when they don’t
Link
Bingo!
They’re a bunch of theiving crooks.
I’m not sure where this came from, but it sounds like you’re saying that people who pay nothing but payroll taxes are “invested” in SS. That’s true. I think a different commenter was saying that people who pay nothing but payroll taxes are not “invested” in the other aspects of paying for the government. That may be true, but it’s not my argument.
That’s the thing about SS. The laws are the laws until Congress changes them. You can call it laundered, or stolen or whatever you want, but if Congress changes the law, we’re playing by new rules.
Since I think you’ve signed off, and/or got busy with something. I think I’ve got some perspective for what it looks like you’re implying. Which is that the poor and those of us who aren’t the 1%ers don’t pay a fair share in taxes … which is true, but not like you think, because those of us who’re the 99%ers pay more than our fair share
They’re invested in more than Social Security since Congress has been “borrowing” from the surplus for quite some time.
Should they have been allowed to “borrow”? No. That being said, they have and continue to be allowed to.
All of this hand wringing is because in order to pay back the well over 1 trillion that was taken from every single working American for over 30 years under the mistaken impression that when they hit their 60s they be able to retire they’d have to raise taxes.
Well put and thanks for clearing that up. Sales and other taxes in SOME state are atrocious.
Here’s a copy of the 5 page plan – it has no more info in it than the 2 page one but its 5 pages instead of 2:
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/60355190
I’ve got this feeling that we have all just been bent over and royally f*@%*# – this is just a repackaging of the cat food commission report with the dirty little details to be determined over the next 6 months.
All we need to figure out now is how badly we have been s@%#w#d!
I’m just waiting now to see how the crazy folks respond – they are our only home to kill this. The Senate Dems have already caved.
Jesus, we are doomed, fucking doomed I tell you.
“Gang of Six” = more political theater.
They all think you’re dumb enough to swoon over a catchy name.
End the Bush tax cuts for the rich like most Americans want.
End these expensive wars like most Americans want.
Until those are a significant part of the discussion, quit wasting people’s time with press conferences.
Gang of Six bipartisan B S! All six are Republicans. Some just wear a title of Democrat like the bozo in the White House.
Its nice that they took the final opportunity to repudiate the memory of Ted Kennedy to kill something he managed to get through the democratic process. And to do it in a cowardly back room secret deal with the connivance of the president to gut something out of his own signature accomplishment.
http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/the-class-act-survives-for-now/
As bad as the consequences are, default is preferable to this deal. Every single Democratic member on this gang has got to go. The Repugs, well we can’t do too much about that. I never thought Durbin would stick the knife in like this though. I’ve paid into Social Security and Medicare for 38 years and am about to get reamed without KY.
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