As near as I can tell, the only thing the Gang of Six has made more likely is default. It’s essentially the same deal that Eric Cantor and John Boehner rejected because it included tax increases. Maybe the increases are so vague and the abolition of the alternative minimum tax so attractive that this changes the perception among House Republicans, but I’m not sure why we should believe that. This is the group that passed the Cut, Cap and Balance Act yesterday, for a frame of reference. Indeed, John Boehner’s office said the plan “appears to fall short” of House goals.
As an aside, who was clamoring for the abolition of the AMT? The AMT’s problem has been one of design – it would dip down into the middle class and increase their tax without a patch. But the idea of the AMT is that, if rich people come up with so many deductions that they can whittle away their income to $0, they still would need to pay some tax. Why would we want to get rid of that entirely, and turn a tax return into a game of “hide the money” for Bill Gates?
Back to the politics of the Gang of Six. Again, this is the plan that was rejected. It has a few Senate Republicans on board, but it has no legislative language (and those two things are related), with less than two weeks until August 2. There’s not enough time between now and then to write the law, score it, and pass it. But now that it has been revealed, you’ll have a hundred different opinions of how to get it passed. That’s true on the Senate side, and it’s true on the House side as well. Frank Wolf and Jim Cooper (one of five Democrats who voted for Cut, Cap and Balance) want the Gang of Six plan to come up for a vote. Meanwhile, McConnell-Reid, the plan which has language, the plan which was the only game in town for a while, is getting pushback from Democrats because they have to take the political risk, and House Republicans would not.
Given the Catfood Commission II plan attached to McConnell-Reid, there are no good options. But in an extremely telling turn of events, Moody’s, the credit rating agency, has come out and stated that they would downgrade US debt EVEN IF MCCONNELL-REID PASSED.
A backup plan to raise the U.S. debt ceiling and avoid default could still lead to a negative outlook on the country’s ratings, Moody’s said on Tuesday, highlighting the plan’s failure to substantially reduce the deficit.
The back-up plan offered by Senator Mitch McConnell would avoid any immediate downgrade of the coveted U.S. triple-A rating, Moody’s analyst Steven Hess told Reuters in an interview, bringing relief to investors who fear an imminent downgrade of the coveted U.S. triple-A rating.
“But the numbers that are being discussed in terms of any possible deficit reduction coming out of this plan don’t seem to be very large,” Hess said. “Therefore, this plan might result in a negative outlook on the rating.”
A negative outlook is a sign the rating may be downgraded in 12 to 18 months.
Now there’s the Shock Doctrine in action, folks. Credit rating agencies are making value judgments on US fiscal policy at a time when bond traders are showing themselves to be wholly unconcerned with Treasury debt even BEFORE a $1.5 trillion package of reductions. The same Moody’s analyst said that the Gang of Six proposal would lead to an affirmation of the triple-A rating. The rating agencies, as much of a cause of the financial crisis as anyone, are choosing winners and losers on US policy. The markets rose on the Gang of Six News yesterday as well.
The one bright spot was Rep. Raul Grijalva’s message to the Gang of Six, saying that they had 6 and the Progressive Caucus had over 70 signers onto a bill to vote against Social Security and Medicare benefit cuts, including newest Congresswoman Janice Hahn. “We outnumber you,” Grijalva said in a press release.
UPDATE: Having Steny Hoyer come out against entitlement benefit cuts is helpful as well.




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Peddle your cheap knockoff crap somewhere else, peckerwood.
Can anyone point me to a recap of the vote? The “Ayes” and “No F-n Ways?”
End of Medicare as we know it.
Medicare dramatically more efficient than (my identifier:
members of the health insurance cartel.)
DO WATCH THIS VIDEO.
IT INCLUDES FORMER CALIFORNIA INSURANCE COMMISSIONER
JOHN GARAMENDI (CURRENTLY CALIF. CONGRESSMAN) AND
NY CONGRESSMAN PAUL TONKO FLATLY SAYING THE 2 POINTS ABOVE.
Why (not the 2 special people above) the Congressmen shafting you
are full of diarrhea:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/25-shocking-facts-that-prove-that-the-entire-u-s-health-care-industry-has-become-one-giant-money-making-scam
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/18/us-usa-healthcare-cbo-idUSTRE71H77N20110218?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&rpc=76
http://www.rwjf.org/healthpolicy/mustreads/product.jsp?id=50208
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/aug/23/nearly-650000-san-diegans-uninsured-2009/
THESE PEOPLE END UP ON THE COUNTY HOSPITAL ANYWAY. THE COSTS ARE PASSED
THROUGH. NO ONE WINS, EVERYONE LOSES. EXCEPT THE INSURERS GET A
VERY NARROW, EXQUISITELY CRAFTED MONOPOLY ANGLE CARVED OUT FOR THEMSELVES:
LET THE INEFFICIENCIES PILE UP, LET THE COSTS GET SHIFTED, WE’RE JUST
GETTING PAID WHATEVER FOR ONLY RISK-FREE PEOPLE.
Brought to you by
https://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
(site is homestyle–duplications, broken links, new window-openings
not always there; I’ve a job and a family and stuff worth following.)
THAT VIDEO
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession5237&start=31466
I wonder if there are more ways to get this passed than ways to get it not passed?
A problem is the House could keep the perverse 87 new GOPers in lockstep along with many others more senior, in order to put a premium on Pelosi getting more blue dog Dems to vote for it — the GOP thinking it will put those Dems at more risk in 2012.
I can’t imagine how this will slither through the House that way, murky as it is, and being the Senate’s artwork. Maybe there could be a very short bridge offered for just a few weeks to let the CBO do its own work before there’s a real vote on it. In the interim, still more mischief could accrue.
da fix is in-
unvarifiable election computer systems privately owned with no oversight…
pols like clinton and obama who promise to take care of middle amerika and only take care of corporations and the donor class….
a corrupt press that accepts right wing bs as truth and anything moderate as being an ‘ism
face it we are now a fascist(control of gov by corps)oligarchy with a democratic veneer
Don’t have to watch the videos. That was the whole plan when Nixon OKed HMOs. But Nixon wanted universal health care and got squat.
Health care in this country has been on big scam ever since.
The five percent solution.
* Five percent cuts across the board on discretionary, administrative costs, and defense. Little or no loss of service.
* Five percent increase in payroll taxes. 15.3 % to 16%. How many know they are getting a payroll tax cut at the moment? Surely SS and Medicare are worth another fraction of a percent.
It’s cut and revenue increase, and avoids time wasting arguments over hundreds of programs. It’s not a cure-all, nor should we want one. A cure-all will be technical, and huge, reinforcing voters belief verbiage is masking incompetence. Unintended consequences would become a feedback loop. Try this and see if it works as intended.
This plan is achievable, understandable, prudent action, demonstrating leadership in bypassing politics and focusing on the numbers.
here ya go :D
looks like all but 1 of the 5 Dem Ayes were Rahm ‘hires’ – yeah, I know, I’m shocked as well
Activists on the right are firing on the Gang of Six with heavy artillery. If the right and left hold firm, this won’t pass.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/20/now-house-republicans-must-fight-the-gang-of-6s-gangrene-plan/
Wait Obama the grand compromiser did not do a bow of surrender deep enough to impress Eric and John? Political commissions are set up so both sides produce an agreement ahead of time. So the GOP dealt in bad faith
or the GOP got pressured by the tea baggers to never accept the commissions compromise?
Either way Obama got played you don’t announce a commission’s deal on the news without expecting results because that makes you seem impotent.
I say get real.
Run a Democratic challenger from a new Principles wing.
What have you got to lose?
There’s hardly any zeal as to Obama, n’est-ce pas?
Meanwhile, see this:
http://goo.gl/uiGuP
http://goo.gl/V8iJv
Let me save you the bother:
Adam Smith advocated laissez faire (as do I–I make my
own living in the most thoroughly capitalist manner)
but added corporations are ill-suited to protect against
excessive corporate power, that despite the efficiencies
generally as to assignment of resources for greatest
return, incentives, ambition, blah blah blah, those cos
are ill-suited to provide for personal security.
He expressly advocated rules controlling corporate power
and a state safety net system inasmuch as corporations are
obviously ill-designed for same.
One direct result, by the way, was the world’s first
Social Security system (Kaiser Wilhelm’s.)
Don’t be a chump. Tell the other Congressmen to push off.
https://sites.google.com/site/evernewecon
Screw EverNewEcoN
watch:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession5237&start=31466
So today, despite myself, potentially a d-head,
C-SPAN will matter.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession5237&start=31466
a bientot
I’ve made a similar suggestion a while back. I called X-percent because I didn’t know what the right number was, but I agree with the concept.
The payroll tax was raised from 2% to 15.3% between 1935 and 1990 in about 20 different jumps. It hasn’t been raised once in the last 20 years.
Dems to Win on Penalty Kicks; Baggers Move Goal Posts
Right-wing bluster, based as it is on fantasy and fiction, sometimes must cede to facts even under the soft pressing of the mainstream media.
When George W. Bush conjured images of mushroom clouds swelling over American cities, no reporter could be bothered to follow up after Bush said that we knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction because ‘everybody’ knew. Then Bush and cronies had to move the goal posts again and again and again.
Now the GOP’s atomic debt ceiling …
Article:
Dems to Win on Penalty Kicks; Baggers Move Goal Posts
AMERICA now ranks 50th in Life expectancy
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/the-us-has-the-46th-longest-life-expectancy/
pesky,sick old codgers/
Obama has already come out and given his full support for the phantom “Gang of Six” plan. All I’ve got to say is F*ck Obama, F*ck the “Gang of Six”, and F*cK the rest of the wealthy, hair grafted, corrupt sleaze bags in Congress.
Who is moderating? The first post is this crap? Scrub this for being seriously OFF TOPIC.
Meanwhile..Details emerge.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/more-details-revenue-side-gang-six-plan-emerge
They will update as it comes in.
The right wing flaps a breeze in the white house.
I think “gang” is the perfect name for these groups they form in Congress. They sell crap to people which then kills them. A pox on them all.
Well, count me as “Shocked”.
We don’t live in a world that makes the Progressive budget even a remote possibility.
The media won’t talk about it.
Obama won’t talk about it.
Congressional leadership are scared as hell to talk about it.
Hell, I’d be willing to bet that most people don’t even know about it.We are going to have to buckle down for the next year. In 2012 we push hard to elect better Dems because there is no time to really push hard for any third party options. The we come out swinging. After the next election cycle we start driving the narrative towards a progressive movement. A real progressive movement.
The Tea party got a lot of notice because of big corporate backing and fox news pimping. Our advantage is the fact that our policy positions are in line with the majority of Americans. Plus liberals and progressives are much better at true grass roots movements than conservatives.
You cannot say “Moody’s” without saying “Toxic Assets and Goldman Sachs”. The Department of Justice found no evidence that Moody’s was part of Peter Peterson’s massive financial arson and political corruption. Moody’s were merely innocent bystanders of the massive financial fraud.
We can question Moody’s previous failures. Moody’s had graded Toxic FFF financial gimmicks as AAA. So if Moody’s wants and approves the Catfood for All, and grades it AAA, it must be a winner!
There is more than meets the eye. It’s very likely that Obama and this Gang of Six have been working together on this for a while.
Hostage taking 101? Over a billion dollars a day of economic wealth squandered each and every day, going from point A to point B, by Americans?
The politicians of today enslave America to corporate energy. The House divided and Antebellum Senate prior to America’s Civil War protected the institution of slavery. Today America’s politicians protect corporate’s interest to exploit and perpetuate cash cows which essentially undermines THE LIVE’S & LIBERTIES of Americans, surely as Dred Scott was denied constitutional protection, for the benefit of the slave-owners.
Most unfortunate to realize slaves where exploited for energy as America is raped at the “pump” everyday, all concerning energy? Just go consume and don’t think! Somarized? Dunkinized and then rendered just, Brain Dead, via those little black boxes and the commercials America pays to media moguls watch and become brainwashed…………………….
Why, oh why is ANYONE listening to the lying bastards at Moodys? They were and are a major problem in the ongoing economic crisis. The rating agencies are whores paid by banks. They should be ignored or shut down and their people tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail.
Always wondered why they called it “life expectancy” when, after a certain point, it’s the other thing that is more in evidence …
It must be a question of “looking forward” with an eye to “what”, precisely, one may be looking forward “to”.
Must be a class, issue, or something, sadlyyes … at least when you get right “down” to “who” is doing the forward looking, and what they expect to “get” out of the “situation” in which we unhappily find ourselves (with more than a little help from them what, “astutely”, put us, the majority of “us”, into the “situation” …).
(Of course, if we do, actually, somehow and at sometime, “find ourselves”, then all is, assuredly, not lost, even in the “long run”.)
DW
Fuck Moodys and S&P! Yup those nice AAA ratings? Corporations will use all the tools to enslave America including buying law. Corporations hold America hostage. America has seen this before. It was called the East India Tea Corporation…..
You are correct! Fuck Moody’s, lying deceitful bastards………
Not bad ideas. Try these on as replacements or add-ons.
Establish an AMT for corporations at 28%. Period, any extras are tax loss carry overs and expire at maximum 5 years.
Set level on personal AMT indexed for inflation. No longer a need for annual AMT fix. Same with any other Laws with hard numbers intended to hit the rich but keep dipping into the Middle class.
I like the 5% cut idea. I have noticed in ALL deficit discussions, both at State and Fed level, there has been not one word of cutting elected officials salaries or office budgets. How about they share the pain as well?
Another totally political intervention by Moody’s despite the complete absence of the “bond vigilantes.” Having screwed up over their farcical ratings of mortgage backed securities, these tools are overcompensating by trying to pull the plug on grandma by slashing medicare and social security. Problem is, how do you stop them when they hide behind free speech claims?
Until the Republican Party puts a Cap on Corporate welfare, loopholes, special interest perks to those who are already wealthy and getting wealthier, no one will believe that they really have all of the peoples’ best interest at heart. Let them make laws for all of the people and not just the oil companies and millionaires. Let them put an end to greed and more money into need — the need of better education, the building of decaying roads and infrastructure. Let them put money into research that will holisticly heal America and not pollute her.
It looks for all the world like both sides (or is that all sides) are playing Dean Smith’s “Four Corners” offense here, running out the clock and hoping that they get the opportunity to make the last shot. The last shot being putting an offer on the table that the other side in more rational times would accept.
And it makes more likely a clean bill and a rematch before October 1 on the budget, when it is not a default but a shutdown that is the hostage.
There is a dynamic about defaults that makes me wonder how post-August 2 plays out. It is this: If you owe the bank $10,000, it’s your problem. But if you owe the bank $2 billion, it’s the bank’s problem.
A U.S. default is the world’s bankers’ and central banks’ problem. Up to now, they have believed that it wouldn’t happen. Then they thought that they could put some pressure on the GOP to back off a little. Now, that is not working as fast as need be.
And to the Chinese, the US is sorta saying, “Nice little export market you have there. Too bad if something happened to it.”
“Until the Republican Party puts a Cap on Corporate welfare, loopholes, special interest perks to those who are already wealthy and getting wealthier, no one will believe that they really have all of the peoples’ best interest at heart.”
History shows the slave owners had no one’s interests in mind except for their own. Slave owners used the rule of law to protect their desire to perpetuate slavery. Fugitive slave laws treated human being as cattle. The property of people, exploited for profit. Oil corporations have replaced slave owners. Using people for their uncompensated toils or pigeon-holing Americans into wasting .80 cents of every dollar shelled out for Shell’s, EM’s, Texaco’s gasoline is a losing proposition for all Americans, especially Americans on fixed income whose purchasing power is diminished continually by inefficient energy “use,” and forever increasing cost. Lincoln was a Republican who emancipated the slaves. Today’s Republicans have more in common with slave owners than abolitionists. The first response to “freedom for slaves” was: “It will cost to much!” Sound familiar?
May I suggest some verbiage for the bill:
“We, the United State Congress do pledge to fix the debt problem.”
That wasn’t hard.
And why rag on Moody’s? I’m sure they are just trying to be helpful.
TarheelDem wrote: There is a dynamic about defaults that makes me wonder how post-August 2 plays out. It is this: If you owe the bank $10,000, it’s your problem. But if you owe the bank $2 billion, it’s the bank’s problem.
————- That pretty well sums it up. You must have a PhD in finance.
Isn’t that what Alan Grayson was hollering about?
I partially agree, warfarin. Except regarding Moody’s I had in mind a prescription of castration and disembowlment, and in that order.
Kucinich was sounding pretty stern about them a few days ago as well. I wonder if by now he’s come around to the same conclusion.
I think it’s trending quite a bit lower than 78.11 years life expectancy. Given the number of folks trying to live off Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid during the present enforced job, wage and health care austerity, if this Administration cuts the social safety net I am not happy to say I think the life expectancy in the US would drop like a rock.
The good news on the Gang of Six proposal:
House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard “Buck” McKeon said in a memo to Republicans on the panel that he doesn’t support the proposal “in its current form” because it would mandate $886 billion in security[sic] spending cuts over a decade. He also said he objected to the plan’s proposal to change military retirement benefits.
The proposal, as outlined in a five-page document obtained by Bloomberg News, would require Senate committees to produce legislation that would reduce spending and raise revenues.
Thanks for the positive review.
Let me suggest that adding on or substituting will kill the idea. Simplicity is it’s greatest selling point.
It’s true that it would leave income and cap gains taxes where they are, as well as maintaining SS and Medicare benefits at current levels. Those are hard fights spread over too large an area to address in one bill.
Obama will use the budget or any important legislation to try to undermine SocSec/MM.
It’s his raison d’etre for running for president.
The amount of cuts Obama has given the Repubs (well, the wealthy mostly, and businesses) is astonishing — and he still says the non-wealthy have to “sacrifice” to pay for those damn cuts!!!!
Also, Dick Durbin is now a trickle down (mostly) believer. What a Dem!