I find this almost unbelievable, and I expect a walkback anytime now, but Grover Norquist told the Washington Post editorial board today that letting the Bush tax cuts expire would not constitute a tax increase for the purposes of his anti-tax pledge.
With a handful of exceptions, every Republican member of Congress has signed a pledge against increasing taxes. Would allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled in 2012 violate this vow? We posed this question to Grover Norquist, its author and enforcer, and his answer was both surprising and encouraging: No.
In other words, according to Mr. Norquist’s interpretation of the Americans for Tax Reform pledge, lawmakers have the technical leeway to bring in as much as $4 trillion in new tax revenue — the cost of extending President George W. Bush’s tax cuts for another decade — without being accused of breaking their promise. “Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase,” Mr. Norquist told us. So it doesn’t violate the pledge? “We wouldn’t hold it that way,” he said.
In a way, this is because Norquist would have nothing to score. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire is simply a matter of doing nothing. So Norquist would have to score negatively for… what? Not proposing an extension?
But it is significant that an outlet like the WaPo ed board is even talking about letting the Bush tax cuts expire. This do-nothing solution raises the same amount of money as any solution out there, as much as the Bowles-Simpson proposal, as much as the Obama-Boehner grand bargain, more than the Gang of Six. As much as anything. And while maybe some don’t think it’s a perfect solution, it has the benefit of not cutting Medicare, not cutting Social Security, not cutting Medicaid, in fact not cutting any social program, merely by raising taxes to a level consistent with the creation of 23 million jobs in the 1990s. It’s heartening to see the WaPo ed board write that “There is no policy basis for insisting that these tax rates are graven in stone and immune to change given the changed circumstances.”
Chuck Schumer plans to say on the floor of the House today that this reversal represents “a coded message to House GOP hard-liners who have rejected any debt reduction deal that includes revenues that they should stand down.” But he will only say that Norquist gave permission to let millionaire tax breaks lapse. That’s not true at all. He said that letting the Bush tax cuts expire – all of them – would not constitute a violation of his pledge. That’s the entire deficit solution in one fell swoop, accomplished by doing nothing.
A Democratic Party that really wanted to protect the social safety net would leap at this and announce that they just solved the deficit problem. As an added benefit, they only need 41 Senate votes to enforce it.
…and now, as expected, Norquist is claiming he was misquoted.
UPDATE: Americans for Tax Reform, Norquist’s organization, penned a long walkback of the remarks today. This is the second time recently that the normally buttoned-up Norquist has had to walk back statements that would boost support for increased tax rates.




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Grover must have had his financial advisors tell him how an economic disaster of biblical proportions would affect his own life, or he would never be saying this. Of course, once he let the hypocracy Genie out of the bottle with his “it’s ok you voted for this bill, as long as you vote against all the other ones” comment last month, his word became pretty empty anyway, as if it ever was to begin with.
Retraction in 3..2..1..
Now if only Grover would turn his attention to expensive foreign wars…energy..climate change…
Oh hell, it is just like the ‘we are going to drop the top tax rate to 23% and then close tax loopholes later‘ bullshit. There never will be a later for closing tax loopholes. Just a cut in the tax rate. There never will be a Bush tax cut expiration in 2012. If it isn’t Now, it isn’t. Period.
Read on DKos update that Mullah Norquist denied the reporting and stated that repeal of Bush give away was a tax increase.
It seems we have about 10 presidents and most are unknown.
God! to let this chance pass by only means that they WANT the American people to suffer more and I really think that’s the case. for some reason, they hate us.
i can’t help but think that with the boomers, the last generation to truly oppose authoritarianism in this country, retiring, this is payback for our activism
Seeing how Norquist’s anti-tax pledge is moronic given the current circumstances, who cares whether letting the Bush tax cuts expire would violate it?
Sometimes I wonder if the PTB know that the bottom is really about to drop out and that they are scrambling to get theirs and get out while they can. The rest of us rats are locked below deck and are going down with the ship.
So does that also mean we can repeal the Reagan,and Kennedy tax cuts and go back to the 90% marginal rate.
I am sensing another Gingrich moment as in you can’t quote me, because i never said the quote, even if I said the quote.
It’s not going to be walked back, it will be RUN back!
Thanks David. (wouldn’t little chuckie schumer make such an announcement on the floor of the Senate not the House?)
Exactly. His Wall Street funders (not just advisers) must have given him a phone call. Not that the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire.
A 4% to 5% accross the board tax increase would fix the problem.
Walked back.
http://www.businessinsider.com/anti-tax-kingmaker-grover-norquist-flip-flops-on-bush-tax-cuts-2011-7
I want to take issue with
He said that letting the Bush tax cuts expire – all of them – would not constitute a violation of his pledge. That’s the entire deficit solution in one fell swoop, accomplished by doing nothing.
Not so. This year we’ll have a $1.650 trillion deficit. Bush rates net you another $300 billion or so. That leaves us with a $1.350 trillion deficit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/11/AR2010081105864.html
Plus, you can believe SS and Medicare have to be cut to get the tax increase. No humongous cuts, no revenue.
Don’t you think there might be a non-regressive solution as well?
Oh, so he didn’t really mean it. Ha-ha. Fooled ya.
Sheesh! If there is any real law in this land an injunction should be placed on that man immediately and freeze all his assests. He should be in prison for Treason and Government Usurption!
Thanks for the info, Mr. Cheney.
LOL! You are getting your facts from the WaPoo?
Oh, Man. You really need to get outside the box.
Let’s hope they have tape, and they release it.
I agree with this. Tax increases (or spending cuts) that are promised to go into effect some time “after the next election” don’t always materialize. Promise and blame is a great way to get re-elected, though.
Thank God Norquist can be captured digitally. He doesn’t cast a reflection on a mirror, you know.
I just saw something on Kos that I have talked about in the past. I know that in some states if you go Independent you can’t vote Dem in a primary. Not all states.
Would we get their attention by changing party affiliation? Take photos of ourselves at the voter registration office? Burn our cards? I think it will take something stark and visual.
Many of us can’t get to DC to toll bells or beat drums. Who can afford to leave work? Hell, Tuesday I didn’t even go to my congressman’s office, though I called. There needs to be something big, and visual.
snort!!:)
boner was asked this at his presser this morning and said he considered it an increase.
On the presser, CNBC and MSNBC carried it and you could hear the reporter begin the question and the sound died for the question itself. I thought it may have been a miking problem, on CNN the questions were audible.
Something is smelling over at the ‘NBC’s
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/21/cenk-uygur-msnbc-leaving_n_905415.html
That’s the affect of letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire.
It is my feeling that it is Obama driving the debt ceiling crisis by wanting to cut SS and Medicare funding. I don’t think he wants take yes for an answer, but will make every effort to cut these 2 programs without raising taxes, just as he refused to accept Mitch McConnel’s offer. It is possible that his “owners” are beginning to panic, this is to be seen.
Anyway, Republicans have the best chance of getting the 2 programs chopped with a nominal “Democrat” as president, since, if Obama goes down next year there is no way anything is going to happen for the next 4 yrs with a Republican president in office, unless Democrats also loses Senate next year. And Obama can’t have this issue come up next year, as it is an election year, it is too dangerous. This probably is the best opportunity Republicans will have to cut the 2 programs in the near future.
I don’t think there’s any doubt of that.
When TPTB turned their Shock Doctrine on the US, I don’t think they realized how fragile the underpinnings of the economy were, after all the “boom and bust” since Reagan. They thought they saw the goose that could keep on laying golden eggs for them forever and it hasn’t turned out that way, has it? America has just…..gone down.
Now, with the deficit plan to destroy the safety net, they will take even more money out of the economy and this nation will cease to exist as anything but a thug on the world stage.
I don’t think that was their plan. AH! the plans of mice and men!
Plus, it seems both parties have played fast and loose and may have gotten themselves in a bind their egos wont’ let them out of.
Wait a second…Mitch McConnell and Grover Norquist are acting in the best interests of the American economy and Barack Obama is doing his level best to submarine it?
Have…wandered…into…parallel…universe…No…signposts…ahead…trail…of…breadcrumbs…has…vanished…
And Medicaid is already gone for all practical purposes. Bush saw to that one.
F*** EVERYTHING Noquist thinks, breaths, says, does, implies, etc… F*** HIM..ALWAYS F*** HIM.. IN public, with a rake handle, get a crowd together to watch, announce it in the local paper and on local teevee stations/radio, and all thru the land – F*** HIM!!!
So who elected this fucker co-president?
You can add to the PU:
LOL! Tres Vampere
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We are talking about a “solution” to the deficit over the “next ten years,” for which four trillion dollars of new revenue would indeed do the trick.
HE RETRACTED THIS CLAIM ON MSNBC THIS MORNING!
David Kurtz over at TPM thinks Norquist is basically blowing a silent dog whistle while denying he’s blowing a silent dog whistle.
Who elected him co-president?The same people that keep a joke like Sarah Palin in the news everyday. The national media! Who cares what Norquist thinks. I did not elect him to any office, nor do I care what he thinks about anything. He was raised in privilege,and knows nothing of the real world. Stay tuned, the media will probably come up with another person of no interest or substance.
In-ter-es-ting.
So Grover Norquist is trying to get around taking the blame if the world is destroyed thanks to his actions — but his own minions keep smacking him down and forcing him back from sanity?
What sort of hold do they have over him, anyway? They must have evidence of him doing something that would, if revealed, immediately kill his political power now and forever.
What could it be?
Maybe Norquist wanted to spare Obama the embarrassment of having to reject just letting the Bush tax cuts expire. After all, nobody wants to balance the budget. Obama wants his “grand bargain” to run on and the rich just want MORE MONEY.
Norquist is a Barometer of prevailing political winds which have not yet changed the weather, but will. Norquists’ parents (according to early Norquist boigraphia) were Leftists and Norquist self identified as a Communist until his sophmore year in college(Harvard) when he jumped on the bandwagon of the burgeoning right wing movement. It dosent suprise me if Norquist is moderating some of his positions, here are the reasons why. 1. the Reagan Supply side revolution has been in most ways a miserable failure.The country had a middle class and a mighty manufacturing economy when they started. those things are gone now as a direct result of radical agressive supply sider economic policy.Even Norquist has to admit that. Hes a Libertarian who despises govt intrusions into personal freedom. I doubt that one of his goals was to destroy the American middle class. 2. Later in life we all reexamine our values and beliefs and most of us reconcile with our parents views, at least partialy. 3.Norquist is a malcontent at heart, who just wants to be on the side thats losing.
I believe once you are established within the beltway of Washington you don’t ever completely lose your “political power”. I figured out a long time ago that it is a closed society, and the average American is not wanted nor welcomed. All I get is a vote, and now thanks to special interest groups such as Norquist’s, my vote seems to have less and less meaning.
Do you think the Washington politicians would sign a pledge I came up with? No, I have zero clout. Norquist is getting his 15 minutes of fame;that equates to more clout in Washington. He realizes he is surrounded by a majority of impotent politicians and he is using that to further his agenda. But thats just my take on Norquist.
Never forget that Grover Norquist lives in a veal pen. His power comes from his contributors. And he is subject to the same kind of extortion that the progressive veal pen is subject to.
Watch him waffle as his large contributors battle it out.
I agree, we are heading toward kleptocracy on both sides of the aisle due to the influence of contributors.
we are there.
Gee, I guess old Grover’s between a rock and hard place: his financial overlords have probably explained in very simple words just what will happen to him personally if he continues his anti-tax tantrum while the TeaHadists will hoist him up on a pike if he doesn’t continue to play footsie with them.