We’re very close to a grand bargain endgame, it appears, where the White House will claim they got revenues and the Republicans will claim that the revenues are only theoretical. A lot rides on a “trigger” for additional revenues and entitlement cuts if goals are not reached. This allows lawmakers to defer tough questions on those topics with a fail-safe attached. In one rendering, the high-end Bush tax cuts would expire if the tax reform didn’t come off. But another piece has come into the discussion:
That framework includes spending cuts, plus entitlement changes and increased tax revenues (as part of a tax overhaul) that would come later. But there are two big hurdles left: 1) on the substance, and 2) on soothing egos. On the substance, the most contentious matter is how you “trigger” the provisions to guarantee completing tax and entitlement reform. The Democrats have offered a trigger of letting the Bush tax cuts expire for those making $250,000 or more. Republicans, meanwhile, have countered that if those Bush tax cuts are hanging in the balance, they’d offer a trigger of their own to ensure Dem action: scaling back Obama’s health-care law and eliminating the mandate. Bottom line: If entitlement and tax reform is completed on time, then the Bush tax cuts and the health-care law don’t get touched. Also on the substance front, we’re hearing that there’s yet to be an agreement on the scope of the entitlement changes. And never mind the actual individual cuts on the discretionary side. Details, details. The K Street Army is gathering forces if this deal goes through because we haven’t seen this much change in the way government spends and gathers money in a generation.
I have only seen the Affordable Care Act changes discussed as a proposal that Republicans have offered. There hasn’t been any reporting that the White House accepted it. But there has been reporting that the trigger on the Bush tax cuts has been dropped, which means the revenue would be totally aspirational. That’s what riled Senate Democrats yesterday.
Some people may see this as just an end to the mandate, and not be all that concerned about it. I seriously doubt it would stop there. A separate report said that not only would the Administration consider the blended rate proposal for Medicaid, which would lower federal participation, they would rewrite the rule that funded almost all of the Medicaid expansion over the next five years. This would almost certainly result in far less enrollees under Medicaid than envisioned in the ACA. And half of the ACA’s coverage expansions come from Medicaid. So this would be not just a gutting of the mandate, but a gutting of the whole law, including its most valuable portions.
I find it hard to believe that, in pursuit of a big deal, the President would undercut the only signature law he passed in his first term. But the need for a grand bargain has bordered on monomania. If the President is bluffing, and making Republicans an offer they can’t accept, he’d doing a great job of hiding it.




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If we are to assume the “behind the wheel of the car” metaphor for leadership, I think Obama needs a DUI checkpoint.
Seriously? The Republicans are just sitting around trying to think up things Obama would not do in order to get a deal. And they can’t come up with anything.
“…he’s (changed the typo) doing a great job of hiding it.”
Kinda schizophrenic these days, or: “Win The Moment, Fuck The Future!”
Baffling, and horrific for Medicaid recipients (and Medicare) everywhere, but they won’t know it for a time. What cowardice.
“And they can’t come up with anything.”
Do you know how true and how horrid that observation is, Jane? Made my eyes water, then steam.
I think the republicans must secretly like the mandate. They just want to get rid of virtually all the subsidies (I never thought they’d survive to 2014 in the first place).
Looks like we are going to need another candidate for the US Presidency.
That’s a tshirt too.
Yes, they want to get rid of the subsidies, still force us to buy non price controlled insurance, and, probably, want actual jail terms for anyone who doesn’t comply. The whole big pharma deal with Medicare Part D and the Health Reform act is so wrong and costly that it’s obscene, but in the name of “free enterprise” controlling costs is treated as bad.
Obama’s Rand Plan is just an expression – of what the establishment wants – lower taxes for the rich, lousy healthcare for all but the few, and no decent life for the non-elite retired. Apply the money test: if it’s good for the moneyed class, it’s a WH goal.
But most amazing is that the tax “revenues” won’t come from raising the rates on the rich, but by cutting the exemptions of the rest of us. We pay more so their rates go down, and that’s the revenue side of the Rand Bargain?
I hadn’t thought of that. Have we had malpractice reform thrown in there yet?
“And they can’t come up with anything.”
EFCA
Perversely, I think he wants the immediate spending cuts to blame for rising unemployment rates.
Here’s the real question: Do we have any true, old-fashioned Democrats left? At what point does one of these Democrats say “enough, I’m entering the Democratic primary”? The only way that’s going to happen is if the Dems say “We’re no longer going to be held hostage by black voters. This isn’t about race, it’s about the future of the party.” All they need to do, in order to develop a little courage, is to look at how Tony Blair decimated the Lib Dems of the UK. Stick with Obama, Dems, and you will be the perpetual minority party.
the Grand Bargain is really the Grand Bend Over by OBAMA and everyone knows it.
DD says
“But there has been reporting that the trigger on the Bush tax cuts has been dropped, which means the revenue would be totally aspirational. That’s what riled Senate Democrats yesterday.”
I ask, are Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and other Dems in DC going to show up at campaign stops and just Bend Over, showing the Dems base this is how they work with the GOP. Because if they are they better wear football helmets.
I agree with you
Does OBAMA do anything for Black voters? anyone?
The Black Voter needs a FDR, JFK, LBJ, Dem, not some black guy that loves Ronald Reagan
It comes a time, when someone needs to stand up for the party of FDR, JFK, and LBJ, enough is enough
Does anyone think, that MLK would love OBAMA? I strongly doubt it.
Because we all know FDR, JFK,LBJ, are rolling over in their graves with total disgust for this OBAMA guy, acting like he is a Dem.
is it okay to send Coburn one of these? 5 cat household,plenty of fertilizer
http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/w9/9x/xc/catpoop.jpg
we must draft somebody… i say Matt Damon
Mr. Obama is not the God of Shakari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdpcGPPoawo&feature=related
This can be simple, soft, painless.
If you all speak up at once there is nothing to be afraid of.
http://goo.gl/HTped
In all seriousness, I would go for Andrew Bacevich. He’s outside the political system, he’s been one of the strongest opponents of military expansion (plus, he has the chops and the knowledge of the system to do something about it), and he isn’t remotely connected to Wall Street. He claims to be a conservative, but he’s a “conservative” in the old-fashioned, decent sense. He’s clearly a leader and, also, a highly articulate, intelligent individual. I really believe that we need to look outside of anyone currently serving in D.C.
Er… could you write a diary to explain your blog? Quick look didn’t gain me much. But good on the Shaka-ri!
Interesting post by Dave Lindorff at Smirking Chimp: http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-lindorff/37470/to-hell-with-the-democrats-time-to-for-any-real-progressives-in-congress-to-bolt-the-party-and-start-
” … move forward with a strategy to develop a fully-competitive progressive Third Party to run races in every Congressional district and for every Senate seat up for grabs in 2012, and to run a candidate for President.
There is only one way this could be done, I believe, and that would be for the Labor movement, or at least those unions that realize that it’s over, in terms of getting any substantive support from the Democratic Party anymore, to make a bold offer to members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus to bolt the Democratic Party, en masse, and together, with the help of existing progressive organizations and citizens, to form a new American Progressive Party.
…Such a party would begin with the edge of having incumbents already in Congress, who would be running for re-election, who had a track record in their districts, access to money, and with plenty of name recognition…”
George Clooney. Or, Woody Harrelson. Grasping at straws again.
I have no solutions, although at Morning Swim I revisted the idea of focusing on Campaign Finance Reform. I’m sure the SCOTUS would be supportive. Not!
David,
I am confused.
You write:
Are you saying that the Democrats were full of shit when they said that the so-called Affordable Care Act was a foundation to build on?
And are you also saying that the email sent out today by Guy Cecil at the DSCC, the one entitled “Nice,” is full of shit?
Guy Cecil writes:
But, David, are you saying that the “billionaire friends” that Guy Cecil is talking about are the Democrats’ friends as much as they are the Republicans’ friends?
It’s almost like the leaders of the Democratic Party are pretending that there’s an us/Democrats vs them/Republicans fight that we’re all supposed to be super energized about, even though there’s really no fight at all.
But, if that’s true, shouldn’t the American people start getting super energized about standing up against both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party?
Democrats suck.
Wow, the rest of his article at This Can’t Be Happening, is inspiring. I think he is onto something. We need to be re-energized, and we are at the point of no return, so why not? Do you think the Progressives would bolt and form a new party? http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/708
it’s like Kevin Bacon in Animal House during the paddling scene:
“Thank you, Sir! May I have another?”
Damon…married,stable,reasonable!!!wanted to run for wasted body Senate
isnt Damon friends with Big $$$ hollywood liberals?
Which telegraphs a future D cave to save it at any cost. Never fear, even if it went down he’d still claim the original legislation as a win. Rather like claiming the Lily Ledbetter Act as an accomplishment – when it was waiting on his desk and all he had to do was sign it.
At the townmeeting Pres. said the tax reform would the extending of this yrs middle-class tax cut. The claim is the average middle-class family took home a extra $1000 this yr. If he spoke about the Bush/Millionaires tax cut I missed it. It is set to Sunset next yr., Anyone want to bet if it ends up as part of this deal/trigger talk ?
GRAPH: Social Security Provides The Majority Of Income For 3/5 Of Americans 65 And Older
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/276162/grap… /
As many in Congress are advocating for regressive cuts in the Social Security program, the Economic Policy Institute is releasing a paper titled “A Young Person’s Guide To Social Security.” The paper notes that Social Security provides the majority of income for three-fifths of Americans 65 and older, and illustrates this across different income quintiles with the following graphs:
If this trigger is created I see little reason why the Republicans won’t pull it. Tax increase when there were going to tax increases anyway seems like a small price for attacking Obamacare
Off subject.”S&P get’s more ‘articulate/pointed’ in debt downgrade issue/solution.”Really?!?! A shocking development? Ahhh.You mean you’re surprised an institution closely aligned with Wall Steet has a political bias……….Heavens.
Touché on the video clip.
Unfortunately, the “labor movement” and its “leadership”, do not have, currently, the TRUST and RESPECT necessary to start a political third party.
The larger question is; Do we, the people, have the time, inclination, and willingness to do what is necessary?
Any answer other than “yes” is unexceptable, btw.
What exists today is broken, likely beyond “repair”, so we must consider that we shall have to start, virtually from the beginning, to fashion a new, civil society.
A civil society requires two fundamental things: An actual, functioning Rule of Law and an Economic System premised upon serving the needs and interests of all, not merely an “astute”, avaricious few.
DW
Okay. Yeah, but I can’t see his name without hearing the way they pronounced it in the movie Team America.
Actually, yes.
I believe David covered that too … he’s amazing.
Jane @2
allan@11
That made me spew!!@!! 707!!
Can see the President now, screaming… “NOOOOOOOOO not that”
And the Obots???
“Well OF COURSE the President turned down EFCA in the debt ceiling talks. EFCA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEBT!! What idiots. It was stupid of the Republicans to offer it in that setting. The President will work hard toward getting EFCA in his next term though, so we need to make sure we get out the vote so he has a next term.”
I think the guy could come out of the closet and admit he’s a Republican and the Obots would still be right there for him.
It’s a neat idea.
Wondering though, where those “progressive” incumbants that will be running for re-election instead of election would come from???
DW I agree with much if not all that you say. The Progressive Caucus has such a good budget proposal that is not gettting any play (of course) in the corporate media. Even if Labor leadership is in poor regard, I wonder though if the media attention that a bolt by the Caucus would provoke wouldn’t just be the spark that sets off the whole shiteree. All the disparate groups might just coalesce around their budget and have the synergy to carry off a successful third party bid.
In this case, just like with the
health caresickness insurance/corporate welfare bill, ‘nothing’ is better than what Obama is offering up on a silver platter.He did not need to couple the debt ceiling with the New Deal;
He CHOSE to.
And the republicans are not stupid enough to be even remotely associated with any cuts to, SS/Medicare, let alone downright killing these beloved and vital programs.
Besides, they can run a great ad against O and the so called democrats.
They can simply say: President Obama and the ‘Democrat’ Party tried to cut Social Security and Medicare, but we stopped them!
Too bloody funny, allan!
remind you of anyone?
how about obama mentor tom daschle
“I find it hard to believe that, in pursuit of a big deal, the President would undercut the only signature law he passed in his first term”
Nationalized Romneycare needs to be undercut – but towards the PO/Single Payer. There shouldn’t be a federal mandate for people to buy corporate products.
“He always said he wanted to be a transformative President like Reagan; and by the way: didn’t you read his books? He always was a Centrist!”
(nice mini-play, by the by, OFG) ;o)
October 2011!
illegitimi non carborundum
If permitted, New England will follow Vermont into single payer, state by state,
The small states are too cheaply bought by the rich to do anything on the Federal level.
I gather then, that you’ve not seen selise’s comments, as welll as those of others, who point out, acurately, that the Progressive Caucus Budget Proposal is still destructively tied to the notion of an actual “deficit”?
While MMT may not be everyone’s cup of tea, if you’ll excuse the wee pun, Om Ali, it does seek to expand the thought “horizons” of human beings beyond the flat-earth reckoning currently fashionable, today.
It is to be hoped that reasoned feedback will impact upon the Progressive Caucus … else they are simply singing the same tune as too many others, if in a slightly different off-key.
(Your comments and perspective are appreciated, btw.)
DW
Veritas hoi paloi!
;~DW
(following onto my own ” holygenes ” above — but
a player — reading yours)
POINT 1:
The billionaires have far more lose from a default.
Why not play chicken at least as well as they do?
Besides, S & P is threatening a downgrade if the
deal doesn’t shaft the middle class sufficiently.
That being the case, play S & P against the billionaires
instead.
POINT 2:
Why is it so difficult for Mr. Obama to go to, say,
Nevada, and simply say to the Tea Partiers that when
Sharron Angle called Harry Reid (actually a former boxer–
as well as compassionate and brilliant) unmanly she’s was
using the process self-generated hypocrites’ line that
gays do not deserve to live. Hence, demonize anyone by
saying they will be wrongly ferreted out.
(Then was Jews, then nations were integrated (immigrants.))
Why not thus further simply add:
when Arizona Governor Jan Brewer scapegoats immigrants,
her followers are but the American basij.
The Governor is but a puppet.
The puppeteer, for all we know, could be a brewer, maybe even
one from a different state, who wants to control something
altogether unrelated but simply needs her in power.
Generally it’s transportation (and energy,) water
and ideologically self-convenient and self-important
and corrupting billionaires who are the actors playing
the “Wizard.”
The result to their followers will be destruction
every bit as much as it is for Mugabe’s followers and
as it was for Hitler’s.
They will have monopoly, sham free enterprise and no security.
A loyal Angle, Brewer supporter, no doubt:
http://goo.gl/52rvT
http://goo.gl/HTped