Reading the tick-tocks on how the debt limit deal imploded, it appears both sides fashioned some last-minute changes that the other side could not accept. First, on the Democratic side, my instinct that the Gang of Six proposal heightened the probabilities of default turned out to be correct. In this case, because the Gang of Six raised far more revenue than what Obama and Boehner were negotiating, it forced Obama to up his ask on that front:
The tax overhaul they had been discussing to raise $800 billion in revenue over a decade had to be bigger, Obama told Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor during an evening meeting in the Oval Office. Obama’s new offer: $1.2 trillion.
A new proposal by the “Gang of Six,” a bipartisan group of senators who were calling for $3.7 trillion in budget savings over 10 years to slash the deficit, had changed the dynamics of the accord that Obama and Boehner had been negotiating in closed-door talks for weeks, the president told the speaker [...]
“It’s the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute,” Boehner, of Ohio, told reporters at an evening news conference on Capitol Hill, hours after calling Obama to tell him he was abandoning their negotiations. “Dealing with the White House is like dealing with a bowl of jello.”
I think he means nailing Jello to the wall, I don’t know what’s so hard about dealing with a bowl of Jello, you use a spoon and eat it. OK, diversion over.
The $1.2 trillion in increases is actually still lower that the $1.8 trillion sought by the Gang of Six. So Obama is correct to say that the revenues they wanted were less than that bipartisan plan. And at any rate, the Republicans wanted zero revenues, so I don’t see how this really altered the basic problem. Boehner walked on July 22 for the same reason he walked on July 9 – he couldn’t abide by a tax increase. Indeed, the $800 billion he allegedly signed off on were, in his conception, coming entirely from “economic growth and efficiencies in our tax system.” This is similar to the up-is-down take that tax cuts increase revenues.
On the Republican side, they retaliated to this increase in revenue by seeking the insertion of a policy item into the trigger mechanism. Under the grand bargain, Congressional committees would work on a long-term entitlement and tax reform plan. If it didn’t take, there would be triggers, unpalatable forcing mechanisms that would kick in if nobody came to agreement. Late in the negotiations, Republicans tried to include a repeal of the individual mandate of the Affordable Care Act into that trigger, as well as the dissolution of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, the panel empowered to deliver recommendations to Congress on cost-savings in Medicare and Medicaid. The White House rejected the proposal.
This gamesmanship at the end of the process blew up what would have been a substantial deal, with well over $3 trillion in spending solutions, more like $4 trillion if you include the foregone debt payments that would result. And yes, the accounting gimmick on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq accounts for a full trillion dollars.
On the discretionary spending front, both sides had “identical offers,” said one of the officials. There would be $1.2 trillion in cuts over the course of ten years; $1 trillion in savings that would come from the draw-down of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; and $250 billion in savings in Medicare over the course of 10 years. Both sides had also agreed to attach a second piece of legislation, to be decided via the reconciliation budget process, that would have changed the retirement age for Medicare and changed the premium structure for Medicare Part B and D, while eliminating certain kinds of supplemental insurance. That bill would also contain changes to the way Social Security benefits were paid starting in 2015, with buffers put in to protect the lowest-income beneficiaries.
There was, in addition, an informal agreement to try and extend Social Security’s solvency by an additional 75 years. How they would get there, however, remained a point of contention, with the president wanting a package of benefit and premium changes and Republicans focusing just on the benefit side. Unable to overcome that impasse, the two sides settled on vague language requiring them to meet that 75-year goal with future reforms.
Where the two sides remained apart were on Medicaid cuts, with Republicans demanding tens of billions of dollars more in cuts than the president was comfortable making. White House officials described that difference as possible to overcome, however.
The Medicaid gap was only about $40 billion. That and taxes was basically all that was left on this deal. It remains available if Republicans would accept those tax increases.
So what happens now? There’s a meeting happening at this hour at the White House, which began at 11am ET. McConnell-Reid, which matches $1.3-$1.5 trillion in spending cuts, all on the discretionary side, to a complicated system where Obama takes all the responsibility for increasing the debt limit, seems like the best available option at this point.
There’s also renewed discussion of a clean debt limit increase, which Rep. Peter Welch touted yesterday. Even Grover Norquist, holder of the infamous anti-tax pledges, conceded that the debt limit must be increased and called on his party to allow it, and take the issue into the election. I do think you’ll see the pressure ratchet up over the next week.
This morning, Boehner spokesman Michael Steel reiterated the House GOP position that they must have a dollar-for-dollar connection between the debt limit increase and any deficit reduction. He wrote:
For months, the Speaker has been crystal clear that — to be serious — cuts in spending must be greater than the size of the debt limit increase. He will reiterate again today that in order for a bill to pass the House, it must include cuts greater than the debt limit increase.
Last night the President said, ‘the only bottom line that I have is that we have to extend this debt ceiling through the next election.’ Now, we do not know what size or shape a final package will take, but it would be terribly unfortunate if the President was willing to veto a debt limit increase simply because its timing would not be ideal for his re-election campaign. We want the most significant deficit reduction possible, but linking the full faith and credit of the United States to presidential campaign politics is not a defensible position.
This would seem to suggest that Boehner will take up the agreed $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and raise the debt limit by the same amount, daring the President to veto.
I don’t think there is a clear endgame, to be honest.




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obama’s got an end game, that being the destruction of government service and giving to the wealthy all assets accumulated over generations of middle class investment
This lttle schoolyard drama of “do you like me ‘cuz I like you” is making fools of us all. I believe the fix is already in and Obama is trying to figure out how to spin it. Everybody besides the top 2% is gonna take it high and hard. imho.
I have to believe the fix is indeed in. The stock market closed the week up almost two percent. Does that sound like nervous investors who panic at the least provocation, real or imagined?
but gold is still at the record, I would think the deal is in once gold crashes a bit
David, thanks for staying on top of our latest episode of “politicians behaving badly”. You are really doing an outstanding job covering this and I have to agree with you- no one really knows where this disaster is going to end…
The bad news is that Obama is destroying core Democratic Party principles. The worse news is that the party itself will survive in its mutated form–namely, a lite version of the GOP.
Yep but the investors are the authors of the “deal” so they already know the “outcome”. At least the top dogs do and everybody else follows their lead.
I have a novel idea for saving Social Security.
Every time Obama offers up cuts, chain yourself to the White House fence, and call the press.
Better yet, get a group of seniors together, and all of you chain yourselves to the White House fence.
Obama hates that optic enough that he finally pushed DADT reform through only after Choi and other gay servicemembers — repeatedly — supplied that optic for the press.
Obama also arranged for them to be arrested, when that kind of protest was usually handled with a ticket.
Unfortunately, I’m on the wrong coast, and you’ll get arrested, but hey, you might save Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
It’s the final stage for the destruction of the working and middle class. It’s going to be ugly.
these people should have to disclose their stock market strategy. It’s been suggested that they are betting on a stock market down turn.
are they corrupt enough to risk all of this, to force a downturn, so they can profit?
If this is what’s happening, then there is not enough movement yet, for them to to make as much as they want. if this is what’s happening, once the market tanks, the deal will magically get done, all for the good of the country and world.
twelve billion dollars missing, no attempt to find it?
trillion dollar wars to chase a few hundred people?
stock market has always been manipulated. what better way than this?
why not tank the market, and make fifty million or so.
the best part, for them, we’ll never know, which makes it even more plausible.
good idea.
“endgame”:
Just dreaming, but maybe his eleventhy-dimensional grand chess move is to default, which forces him to abruptly end the wars because he has no other executive options for a majority-supported massive reduction in spending. And congressional stalemate results in no cuts to the big 3, and the bush tax cuts expire. Ergo, the deficit is largely eliminated, progressives unhate him enuf to reelect him, and the tea-bots still hate him just cuz.
So I’m not clear on the Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid part. Will they reduce benefits or will it go untouched?
Can someone please describe for me what a “tick tock” is?
Thanks!
It looks like gridlock is better than grand bargains. Has the Obama administration stopped asking for us to stay in Iraq? What if the Iraqis, Afghanis, etc ask us to stay – does that mean continued war-mongering would come out of Social Security?
The Congress is still working on that but it looks like enough Democrats with power want cuts (Conrad, Warner, Obama etc, etc) that we’ll be looking at some cuts.
They are desperately looking at a way to frame themselves as being courageous for ignoring 80% of us and eliminating the political implications of the position as we speak.
Heh, pokums I’ve said before there was no way, short of instituting single payer, that I’d vote for him again. But I’ve gotta admit, if what you just said happened…. I think I’d have to relent and give the man my vote.
Too bad Hitler has a better chance of building a snowman in hell than that does of happening though.
There is declining habit in Obama persona for telling the truth.There are certain abiding principles that we as Progressive and Democrats will never sacrifice. For those Democrats we elected who sit quietly and do nothing, we find them wanting. They are as guilty as the ones who are playing this scam of Three Card Monty. They are what we call “Donald Rumsfeld” of the argument . Where space and time is made up of a looped ribbon. Where their so-called principles are nonsense that been spoon fed truth.
So. Obama wants a fig leaf of tax increases to cover the nakedness of his savage austerity. And Boehner won’t let him have it. I don’t know. Maybe they should both rot in hell.
One thing for certain from the latest sordid saga in Democrat annals (double entendre intended): The Democratic Party must rebuild from the bedrock up, purging their caving addictive behavior. Excommunicate all those who subscribe to the bending over double while grabbing one’s ankles “Ooooo, it hurts so good!” culture.
oldhippiejan:
“Everybody besides the top 2% is gonna take it high and hard. imho.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Small caveat, although I agree with the idea, the number is off.
They may be evil, but they’re not stupid. They won’t attack 98%. What they will do is attack a portion that is weak and defenseless.
Thus with every SS “deal”, it’s always been some BS like those already on it, will be fine, but those not on it will get shafted. Or, nothing will happen now, but with CPI the damage is later. And it gets worse as you get older.
Evil, not stupid.
Also, attacking the poor was an easy one. Everyone “knows” the poor “deserve” their lot in life, and “deserve” to be forgotten, and “deserve” to be gutted. Now most people won’t say it out loud, but the decades of brainwashing leads to people thinking like this. That’s why, in this country, no one cares about the poor. Sure there are a few, but those are just exceptions, proving the rule.
How many people do you know that actively and regularly help the poor?
Decades long propaganda that has worked. Basically: “F the poor”.
Evil, not stupid.
Great insight! Even more reason for the sensitive and caring to emigrate to one of the First World Social Democracies (all other First World countries except unohoo) to escape “The Vicious Society.”
The bit I thought was interesting was that Boehner added the “get rid of insurance mandate” thing at the last minute. He knew it was a poison pill. He was trying to kill the deal.
Why?
He wanted Obama to be seen as killing the deal, not him. But then he walked out. Boehner is seriously in over his head. He just wants to play golf and have a few highballs. Say what you want about Pelosi, she would NEVER blink like that.
The Republican coalition has a lot of factions, but they seem to be firming up into the somewhat sane / corporate / country club set (call them Romney Republicans) and the teabagger / libertarian / fascist / fundie / bigot / neo-confederate suicide cult (or just cult for short).
The question, as we watch the Republican primary machine grind on, is where the supporters of fallen candidates go? We always assume they will go to another Republican candidate. Generally a pretty safe bet.
I think Obama is hoping for the Romney Republicans to adopt lesser-evilism and vote for him instead of Perry, by portraying the cult as dangerous, deluded, unable to govern, and about to cost their portfolios a big chunk of change. All of which is true, by the way.
I’m not saying it will work, or that it is a good idea. I just think that’s his strategy.
Oh, yeah. You are dead on there – this is all a bunch of kabuki to screw the American people again. Make that the 0.2% though, Maybe it’s time for even the millionaires to figure out they’re getting screwed by the billionaires.
Lucky us.
Funny you should mention that.
I’ve been working on my own exit strategy. Just plans right now.
It’s a real Fing toss up as to options.
Canada, they’re heading in the US direction and at a much greater speed. And it’s the exact same plays that the US royalty used. They’re not even changing the plays. So they have maybe 5-10 years before they go down.
England, F no.
France, same issues.
Germany, is actually an interesting choice. They have many social programs for their people. Their unemployment benefits include paying for a cheap apartment, getting retrained if necessary, and helping you find a job. They don’t like unemployment, so they choose to make all the unemployed into the employed. Crazy, right?
But both France’s and Germany’s bankster class are the ones destroying Greece. As are most of the EU banksters. So that’s a tough one.
So got any ideas?
One thing we can be sure of. Whatever happens will be bad for the average American. Maybe President Obama is lurching right in search of Republican votes, who knows? Boehner et al. are looking for a way to sabotage the economy and blame Obama. So everybody wants budget cuts!
Looks to me like Geithner (Mr. Wall Street) was the one who sold out Medicare and Social Security for phantom revenues calling for a “ceiling” on revenues that could be used from any tax restructure.
Even I could sell a ceiling on revenue to the tea party (why negotiate a revenue ceiling?).
Geithner is a Republican mole, he basically sold out the Democrat base for nothing.
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Bloomberg
Obama Deal With Boehner Upset by Last-Minute ‘Gang’ Plan
July 23, 2011, 11:40 AM EDT
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis
The White House would agree to cut $250 billion from Medicare and trim Social Security benefits through a change in the way their annual increase is calculated. Republicans would agree to a tax rewrite that would raise no more than $800 billion while lowering rates, a number blessed by Geithner, the Republican aides said.
Washington Post
How the White House killed the deal
By Jennifer Rubin
•The White House agreed to a revenue total that would set a
ceiling of about $800 billion in new revenue over ten years that
could be generated through economic growth and efficiencies in
our tax system (not tax hikes).
Everyone has to also keep in mind that even if there had been a “grand bargain,” it would have been a temporary grand bargain as the one in question was only meant to last until 2012. I’m not totally opposed to precisely because whatever bargains that are made set us to be continually on the chopping block…Social Security and Medicare could continually be on the chopping block, which it’s not like any of these deals (even Pelosi’s) would take SS and Medicare off the table in a year or two when it’s time for Grand Bargain 2.0. I feel like we are being set up for an austerity spiral by both the Democrats and the Republicans where gridlock rather than grand bargains may be the best result.
a cutesy, annoying-as-hell term (invented i think by the pukes) meaning “timeline” i believe
~Jack Rasmus, Truthout
http://www.truth-out.org/what-do-obama-gang-six-and-paul-ryan-have-common/1311350379
Norway or Amsterdam
Too many cooks and all that
Don’t you mean too many crooks?
Amsterdam.
I wonder how difficult it is to get in though?
Sorry, but what about the Constitution? When did the Senate get written out of Article 1? When did Democrats cease having the majority and the same Senate veto Republicans use constantly?
Republicans turned their focus to Obama because they couldn’t get the deal they wanted negotiating with Democrats, but to conservatives, Obama has beaten the Republicans repeatedly, so a large faction in the House will reject any deal Boehner negotiates with Obama believing Obama is winning.
We even have conservatives calling on Obama to stop talking so the House and Senate can work it out, after months of demanding Obama take the leadership, expecting him to be easy to blame for not cutting a deal because he has no power, because after all, the power is vested totally in the Congress.
Unless you are a conservative and think the problem is too few Republicans in Congress, say 70 Republican Senators and 400 Republican Representatives, the problem is not Obama, but the Republicans in Congress who want to take the country back to 1787 and the deadlocked Continental Congress.
It also said they wanted to change the way SS benefits were paid. This was probably going to be a frakkin voucher, good for gas at BP and junk at Walmart.