The only response to the two attacks in Norway yesterday is total horror. In the latest update, at least 91 people are dead from a bomb at a suite of government buildings and a gun attack at a Labour Party youth camp on Utoya Island. The suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, was a right-wing nationalist and Christian fundamentalist with a predilection for Pamela Geller and other anti-Muslim, white supremacist websites and writers.
His twitter account, started Sunday, includes just one tweet: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.” If anything, we’ve learned that one man with that belief can commit a great deal of damage.
We’ve also learned that, in a post-9/11 world, we’ve become so inured to accept that terrorism is solely an act of Muslims that the jump to conclusions to pin the blame for any attack on them is not met with the proper immediate outrage. Glenn Greenwald breaks down the way these things go now.
For much of the day yesterday, the featured headline on The New York Times online front page strongly suggested that Muslims were responsible for the attacks on Oslo; that led to definitive statements on the BBC and elsewhere that Muslims were the culprits. The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin wrote a whole column based on the assertion that Muslims were responsible, one that, as James Fallows notes, remains at the Post with no corrections or updates. The morning statement issued by President Obama — “It’s a reminder that the entire international community holds a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring” and “we have to work cooperatively together both on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks” — appeared to assume, though (to its credit) did not overtly state, that the perpetrator was an international terrorist group.
These assumptions, cultivated through the last 10 years, are all the more insidious when you consider that, even after the affirmative ID of the perpetrator as a Norwegian nationalist, the NYT still intimated that the attacker somehow “learned” from Al Qaeda. They even intimated that it was OK to consider that “terrorists” would be responsible, as if a Norwegian shooting up a youth camp is somehow not an act of terrorism. They were not alone: the Wall Street Journal’s lead editorial, which made it into some early editions of the paper, reflected the assumption of Islamic terrorism.
This is a damaging side-effect of the 9-11 attacks. Ten years later, an entire religious group, representing 1 billion people worldwide, is for too many people synonymous with violence and terror, at total variance with the facts in many cases. And the rush to judgment followed by the rush to avoid judgment is depressingly familiar.
As for how to keep people worldwide safe, the answer lies not in rigid security and warmaking, but in what the Mayor of Oslo said today: “I don’t think security can solve problems. We need to teach greater respect.”
…Here’s a very informative article on Breivik and his writings.




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http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2011/07/22/what-pushed-anders-behring-over-the-edge/
ET notes that Norway’s foreign minister visited the camp what is the significance of that? Well it means the camp was not some political hippies running a summer camp the Foreign Minister’s job would be what the State Dept does in America imagine how politically connected these kids must be to get Norway’s Hilary equivalent to show for a talk.
This was a Right Wing attack on Norway’s political ruling elite. This was aimed at killing the next generation of that ruling elite.
The ‘Helpers of Global Jihad’ group, of which al-Nasser is a member, made the claims in an email circular issued to various sources. The group does not appear to have any past history.
It is thought that the bombings are a belated response to Norwegian newspapers and magazines republishing cartoons of Mohammed originally published by Jyllands-Posten of Denmark.
http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2011/07/22/what-pushed-anders-behring-over-the-edge/
Any bets Ander’s plan was to have Muslim’s blamed for the attack and that Anders had connections to this fake terror group?
Security can prevent some problems, but no… it doesn’t solve problems. Being more respectful of others would be helpful.
The Oslo Mayor’s words are important. Thanks for sharing.
Kudos to the Mayor of Oslo.
Repect and tolerance would be awesome.
Ever since before 9-11, my first reaction to terror attacks inside this country was right-wing militias. That was a knowledge learned during the 90s when I was a cop and followed the crazies in the heartland through alerts and SPLC newsletters. Waco and the stand off with Randy Weaver gave me a healthy reminder of why I became cynical in Vietnam.
The treatment of AIM and the tragedy of Wounded Knee with the scapegoating of Leonard Peltier should never be forgotten by Americans, but when Ward Churchill tried to educate the idiots in this country, he was vilified and fired from his job.
Acts of terror are more likely to come from dissatisfied, FOX News-propagandized white Americans than from jihadists supposedly running amok in this country. Look at Michelle Bachmann. If she didn’t have an outlet for her crazy, she’d be a bomb-thrower demonstrating in front of abortion clinics.
“Oslo Refuses to Be Defined By An Act of Terrorism” (Stacy Herbert, July 23, 2011)
“The tactics of the EDL is now out to “entice” an overreaction from Jihad Youth / Extreme-Marxists something they have succeeded several times already. Over The reaction has been repeatedly shown on the news which has booster EDLs ranks high.”
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25501
Anders had connections and admired the EDL ( English Defense League )
The racists have change in tactics instead of trying to produce an overreaction from the Muslim’s the Racists want to target the Left blame it on the Muslims and have the Left over react against Muslim’s.
The Racist know the Left defends even Muslim’s right’s they want us to stop defending Muslim’s they want us to support the war on terror, stop supporting Palestine’s statehood how better to do this than divide and conquer with a false flag attack. Think Joe the Plumber a working man attacking Obama Anders wanted to plant evidence that Muslim’s did this notice he attacked the Elite kids of the Left’s ruling class in Norway not random people he wanted to change political policy in Norway.
The racists it seems have a new tactic and if you have noticed when ever the Right gets an idea they all do it.
Notice the Right appears on every channel talking about the same topic with the exact same take on the issue, events whatever. We can expect more attacks of this sort Muslim’s, African Americans, Illegal Immigrants will be blamed for crimes racists do.
We can expect the Right wing racists to copy this tactic again even though it failed.
Combine Empathy for others and Respect and I think this idea will work. America went nuts after 9/11 Norway will crack down on racists but will they start torturing people, tapping phone lines, monitoring the internet without the just cause you need for a criminal investigation wire tap?
If they stay sane and keep things legal, then I am embarrassed to be an American and Obama who still tortures people should be double embarrassed, I’m embarrassed I voted for him.
I would have been a bit more caustic;
“we shall not assume all Christians are terrorists simply because this terrorist is a Christian”
man that would be great
Oslo City Center is beautiful. One of the things that makes it powerful is that the story of Norway built into it and is accessible to everyone. The Norwegians know who they are.
This is why there is a measured response instead of hysterical ranting.
I am so sad for Norway today. I hope they will show the way. We could learn something from them.
The Right I bet is already screaming in panic about Christian, Racist, Nazi’s being taken in for questioning and screaming death camps. I wonder what Sarah, Michelle, Mitt, Ron Paul and Timmy had to say.
The GOP Presidential candidate who jumps on the Muslim connection was looking for racist votes. Muslim is GOP code for scary religious dark people.
There are a number of popular authors from Scandanavian countries having their novels translated into English. One is Jo Nesbo from Norway, and the other more well-known author is Stieg Larsson (sp?) from Sweden. Both of those authors, as well as others from this area, have plots in their novels about the older WWII Nazi parties (still “alive” today), along with their nations’ Neo-Nazi groups/gangs.
One thing that may not be that well known in the USA (I certainly had no idea until I started reading fiction from various Scandanavian authors) is how strong Nazism was and is in this part of the planet. Admittedly I am reading fiction, but the authors make it clear that they are basing their stories on factual reality.
When I heard about this tragedy, I was saddened but not very surprised. The rightwing “crazies” are quite alive, well & active in Scandanavia, and operate much like the rightwing Neo-Nazi groups/gangs here in the USA. In fact, the history of the Nazi party has deeper roots & a longer history in that part of the world. And apparently (again, going by what I’ve read), there is a tremendous backlash in Scandanavia (as well as other parts of Europe) against various immigrants from diff countries who are now living in Scandanavian countries.
I suspect the reasons for why this person did this dreadfully heinous act is rooted in a lot of complex issues, and this person *may* not have operated on his own (but that is strictly conjecture on my part and is not based on anything factual that I can link to).
This is a horrid crime, but I hope that the roots of it can be uncovered, so that we are all more informed about what drove this person or people to do something like this.
Heartfelt condolences to those affected.
David, you’re awesome. Again.
I only have one concern, and I hope I’m not prying into private contractual relations or anything, it’ not my intent.
But you are aware that the 5 day workweek, 8 hour workday, with vacations were PROGRESSIVE ideals aren’t you??? They were fought hard for by working folks, and any progressive worth the name believes in these things, if not even reducing the work week further.
Ahmm, do you ever take days off??? Were you aware that today was Saturday??
EDIT: Not complaining, I love reading you on Saturdays. Just a little worried is all. Hoping you’re not working toward burnout or something. Probably none of my business and I shouldn’t have said anything, but I’ll leave it here.
their eyes light the frig up when they can complain about “the muslim”
it once lit up when they could complain about the “black man”
it once lit up when they could complain about “the jew.”
in once lit up when they could complain about the chink
it will not end with the muslim, there will always be a boogy man
I think the lad may need to be sent on periodic vacations, to places of interest, naturally, OFG, and limited in his use of communications devices for to no more than twenty-two of every twenty-four hours.
Not only does DDay collect and make sense of voluminous amounts, daily, of the news the rest of us should peruse, but, as well, he shares his views.
DW
Yeah, way too quick to assume it’s Muslims.
In PW’s thread downstairs, she finds another “assumption” of some right winger. Labor Party Youth Camp=Nazi youth camps.
These assholes know damn well that’s not true, because they know damn well what a fascist looks like. They see one every morning in the mirror.
And the next time I hear someone call the NYT a “liberal” paper I’m going to throw a brick at something. Right there leading the charge that somehow, someway, Muslims are responsible. Assholes.
I visited “resistance museums” in Amsterdam and Oslo, and I can tell you that the resistance museum in Oslo is incredible. The Norwegians fought the Nazis tooth and nail. I am sure there were Nazi sympathizers, but the Norwegians were overall relentless in fighting Nazism before and after they were invaded.
It is not surprising that there would be some twisted souls in Norway and every other place that still want to embrace the sick ideology of fascism. While Norway appears to maintain its cultural hegemony, the Muslim population/diaspora in Norway is very evident. I am sure there are those who are unhappy about that. Courageously, the Mayor of Oslo is not catering to that element.
You’re probably right Mayor.
I so fail at that though. I somehow can’t bring myself to respect others that intentionally want to harm people. Maybe it’s a fatal character flaw in me, or maybe I should think harder about it.
Right now I can’t in any way have any respect for the man that did this. Nor for any other person that is directly responsible for deaths and suffering of innocent people. And for me, that includes right wing politicians, whose policies result in deaths and suffering.
How does one learn respect for someone like Mr. Brievik? Isn’t there simply some behaviors that are just UNACCEPTABLE??
Actually, the anti-Muslim response is better characterized as an effect of America’s preternatural racism.
I’ll bet by the time talk radio cranks back up Monday morning, this guy in Norway will become a leftist.
That’s my first thought.
The knee jerk reaction of the press to assume that every terrorist attack is perpetuated by a Muslim further stokes the flames of hatred and division.
http://my.firedoglake.com/ironcomments/2011/01/12/why-are-we-afraid-to-call-jared-loughner-a-terrorist/
True but what they really fear is the face they see in the mirror. They project what they want to do to us and assume we will act like they would in the same circumstance they assume man is inherently evil.
Although they may have a point are people without empathy for others who seek power through lies and violence Inherently evil?
Do they have souls?
Should we be treating them the way they treat others? Can we cure them?
hahaha.
Dave’s a workhouse.
Thanks DDay
Hmmmmm, lemme see now,
right-wing nationalist
Christian fundamentalist
We don’t have any of those here in the US, do we?
Dude, you are too much.
Not only do you care, you are so polite you go out of your way to make sure you didn’t offend.
Respect.
October 2011 – illegitimi non carborundum
And “they” are your personal boogy man.
“We’ve also learned that, in a post-9/11 world, we’ve become so inured to accept that terrorism is solely an act of Muslims that ………”
The United States government is the principle agent of terrorism in the world today. And has been since long before the false flag attack known as 9/11.
So, I just heard this dude being interviewed on Fox news, wherein he claimed, that, alluding to McVeigh, while “this was the exception that proves the rule, it is the result of Norway not taking the threat of Islamic terrorism seriously.” Upon which they launched into discussing Osama and Yemen etc…
One sad part of this horrible event? Breivik will only get a maximum of 31 years. There is no capital punishment in Norway. No life imprisonment, either. The maximum sentence is 21 years. After that, it can be extended twice for 5 years at a time.
Sigh
Speaking as one who has actually faced right wing death squads in the past (northern Ireland, UDA, UVF, LVF, Red Hand Commandos etc etc) I am pretty sure that my thoughts on this will be promptly ignored or ridiculed by some self described progressives.
Hopeful though that this is not the case with some. Especially the FDL folks..
Been there, got shot at, had friends and family killed.
So what the hell do I know?
I don’t know. What _do_ you know? Can’t ignore you if you don’t say anything.
Wingnut syllogism:
IF Islamic Jihadis did not exit,
THEN this bombing and shooting would not have happened.
THEREFORE Islamic Jihadis are responsible for these acts.
And yet isn’t there also an assumption that such an act would be virtually impossible in a country with a society as progressive as Norway, unless perhaps a terrorist had come from elsewhere? In that case there would also be speculation as to some motive. Why would Norway now be a target instead of, say, yet another incident in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, etc.?
Or, supposing a home grown outlier, how would such a religious fundamentalist right winger not be noticed there? That would be especially odd if there were a support group also involved.
There aren’t logical conclusions to any of this yet. Norway, however, seems quite lacking in security when compared with other European locales or the US. They must have assumed they were immune from this. One may suppose that will change.
Seconded.
I remember sitting in the car listening to NPR on the day of the Oklahoma City Bomb. Then, as now, Muslim terrorists were the prime suspects, and this was being discussed at length. It was a call-in show, and one of the callers gave a caution about jumping to conclusions, and that this might have been a right-wing militia or white supremacist action. He pointed out that it was Hitler’s birthday.
It was astounding to hear the regular milquetoast NPR anchors absolutely denying this and refusing to listen to the man, even mocking him in their middle of the road polite way. They were completely unwilling to consider any other theory than the Muslim terrorists being responsible, and this was long before anybody had heard of Osama bin Laden.
Early this AM (abt0130EDT) I caught the FoxNoise 1/2hour “news” brief.
The de riguer blond was interviewing John Bolton. She pointed out the Norwegian police’s ID of the arrested man.
Bolton cautioned her that Norway was too “PC”, and it was too early to NOT suspect Muslim extremism.
I spilled four ounces of Black Bush on the floor when I heard that one.
Not only does Breivik like Pam “Atlas Jugs” Geller, Geller likes him.
No kidding. Click here: Engines to Warped 9
Be sure to read the comments.
A spree shooting killing 90+ people is still highly unlikely in Norway. The worst response to this would be enacting security reforms the way the US did post-9/11. Everybody just needs to wait and let the dust settle. That way, they can think rationally and not act out of populist emotion.
“…Nazi youth camps, my assitabrium.
The guy is the archetype Aryan. Stereotypically handsome with those Norse captain looks. If this had happened during the German occupation of Norway in WWII, I can virtually hear Goebbels:
“Ja! Such a handsome lad! There must be some mistake. Those Juden provoked him, surely. Someone write a marching song. Look at him, he’s a born Hauptfuherer. Get him into the breeding program.”
I want to play a game. It’s called Name! That! Loon!
The right wingers are already foaming at the mouth that the media are calling him a right winger. So I decided to post Anders Breivik’s anti Muslim and anti multicultural statements with that of noted American right wingers, challenging anyone to distinguish between his comments and that of Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, etc. This post will make me a lot of enemies on the Far Right.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110723/D9OLLMP00.html
Well, you may be correct. And yet. . .
I’m not suggesting that Norway needs to lock itself down. On the other hand, it seems the suspect had recently purchased six tons of fertilizer. There was also some questionable stuff online. Locals were blissfully comfy in not connecting any dots. Why?
In my earlier post I observed that the absence of Norwegian security was a symptom of the country’s mindset, i.e., a presumption of immunity from violence. I still hold that view. In that case, for all anyone there might have known, he might have been fertilizing 1000 acres of carrots, no?
There isn’t immunity, however, for any country even for those feeling entitled to such, e.g., Norway, merely based on this or that social stance. Time will tell us more as the incident is investigated.
It may be that any determined deranged individual or group, with patience, and a hell bent desire to inflict carnage on strangers — they would find a way to do so. They would work around most any security regime which may be in place. There would still have to be some motive for acting, but absent such, nothing would happen. So in theory a utopian society would remove any such motive, but now it doesn’t seem so in practise.
A lot of the securityr regime we have to contend with elsewhere is designed to make us (and the pols) feel comfy. At some point it is little more than that. So I would agree with you in that degree.
a modified idea from Swami Beyondanda in support of the Norwegians and Mayor Stang of Oslo: ‘We don’t need Big Brother, we need bigger brotherhood’
That’s because they believe in rehabilitation rather than punishment and revenge, an enlightened attitude you hopefully approve of.
If you are interested: Aftenposten
Also, Oslo has some real integration problems which will take more than respect to address (and time to resolve).
The Sun: “Al Qaeda Massacre: Norway’s 9/11.”
NYT Print: Terror in Oslo: Norway is targeted for being true to Western norms
You could answer your own questions by looking for the answer online. Instead you jumped to a conclusion based on your limited knowledge. Why?
The guy rented a farm, so that he could buy large amounts of nitrates without looking suspicious. He took a long time to plan this. He wrote a whole manifesto about how to blend in, how to plan, how to live a double life. Why he dressed as a cop when he went to kill people. The information is out there.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/24/nyheter/innenriks/utoya/angrep/17434221/
They are in shock, they haven’t even accounted for all of the missing yet. I remember how the world couldn’t believe how measured and calm Americans were after 9/11. They were with us.. And then the Axis of Evil and with us or against us shit started.
This is also an attack from within, a time for introspection.
9/11 was an attack by outsiders, we pointed fingers and told ourselves what innocent victims we were, and it was all those evil doers. Gog and Magog were stirring and all that tripe.
The Labor leader jumped on the “new international terrorism” before he became the voice of reason, like “the rush to judgement” cartoon that Dayan linked.
It was possible to question the assumption from the start. In my own post on it, I quoted Reuters: “There was no clear claim of responsibility and while the attacks appeared to bear some, but by no means all, of the hallmarks of an Islamist militant assault, analysts said it was too early to draw any conclusions.”
I then asked:
In fact, as the last sentence hinted, I suspected a right-wing hit from the first because a shooting spree is a “hallmark” of right-wing terrorism. Now I’m sorry I didn’t make that explicit.
Well, Norway has less than five million inhabitants and the Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking has less than ten thousand members, the so the 600 at the camp represented actually around 6% of the total membership.
Probably the more active and engaged members in the Oslo area, but “elite” is probably too strong a word.
In such small population countries you can’t judge political elite status from sheer proximity or acquaintance to elite members, because the pool of persons who are active in the “political scene” is quite small.
The political scene of the whole country is a bit like the “beltway” in Washington: everyone knows everyone else…
Thanks shekissesfrogs, but I’ll stick with my own, “Why?”
A prudent requirement would be the reporting of large purchases of fertilizer anywhere, without an exception for Norwegians. That’s the case in the US and, I understand, in European countries which have experienced terrorist acts in recent times.
Such reporting and/or licensing would be especially important for a new enterprise. Even the innocent possession of such for innocuous purposes should be regulated (as it is here) due to storage dangers of any large amount of nitrates.
Elsewhere there would have been questions raised which would encourage a second look-see.
You are correct about the coy preplanning, of course, and yet my point remains. The country has been unable to accommodate any mindset that it can “happen here,” and that mindset has been held for all the wrong reasons. In my first post I said that would change, and I haven’t yet read any comments here which would change my hunch.
If it were WW2 now, this guy would probably have been serving in the very small pro-Nazi Norwegian military on the Eastern Front somewhere and his murderous hatred would have been treated as normal by the Nazis and just disappeared in the vast flow of murder of those days.
One question I have long wanted to see examined more is how much responsibility do groups have for those within their midst who go out on their own and kill in the name of the group.
In the US at least, the media tend to assume that actions by Islamicists are politically meaningful (ie that Islam and Islamic societies deserve at least some of the blame) but that actions by Christianists and Caucasianists are just senseless violence.
I wonder sometimes if someone like this man was simply twisted and was going to kill people anyway. Like the guy at Virginia Tech a few years back. Maybe he was going to kill anyway and only his choice of a targets was affected by anything in the broader society?
Or when a climate of contempt for certain people is created, does that set off or release psychopaths who might otherwise have managed to hold back somehow?
One thing I feel fairly sure of is that if America ever does become as humane a society as Norway, we will have a lot of these human ticking time bombs to disarm somehow.
To clarify in my last para. . . sentence should read,
“. . .The country has been unable to accommodate any mindset that it can “happen here,” and that LACK of mindset has been held for all the wrong reasons. . .”
I think people jumped to the conclusion it was an attack by jihadists because
1) They claimed credit for it (http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/islamic-extremist-claims-responsibility-for-oslo-bombing-group-retracts/) and
2) They are known to have committed thousands of similar attacks.
With all due respect to the unfortunate victims of this POS, people need to know that in situations like this they are better off charging the guy and fighting him than hiding. I’m certain a group determined young men and women could have overwhelmed this crud.
Here is the Wall Street Journal, with their fire, ready, aim – take:
When cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad appeared in a Danish newspaper in the fall of 2005 and sparked a full-blown jihadist campaign against Denmark, then-Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen responded with a telling remark. “We Danes feel like we have been placed in a scene in the wrong movie,” he told the German newsweekly Der Spiegel. Norwegians thunderstruck by yesterday’s seemingly coordinated bombing and shooting attacks appear to feel the same way. “Of course I’m scared,” one ferryboat worker told the New York Times, “because Norway is such a neutral country.”
Norway is not, in fact, a neutral country. Though it isn’t a member of the European Union, it is a founding member of NATO. Al Qaeda’s Ayman al-Zawahiri has repeatedly singled out Norway in his videotaped messages for “[participating] in the war against the Muslims.” Theories abound about the specific nature of Oslo’s “crime”: the 400 troops it currently deploys to Afghanistan; its house arrest of Mullah Krekar, a founder of the Kurdish terrorist group Ansar al-Islam; the republication of the Danish cartoons in a small Norwegian paper.
Perhaps all this is at work. Or perhaps not: At our first deadline reports indicated that the attacks were the work of a jihadist group. Later in the evening evidence emerged that a suspect in the shooting attack on a youth camp was an ethnic Norwegian with no previously known ties to Islamist groups. Coordinated terrorist attacks are an al Qaeda signature. But copycats with different agendas are surely capable of duplicating its methods.
Whatever the case, the attacks demonstrate that Norway is no more immune than any other country to such atrocities, no matter what its foreign or domestic policies may be. If this does prove to be the work of Islamists, it will be noted that neither Norway’s opposition to the war in Iraq nor its considerable financial and political support for the Palestinians spared it from attack.
In its hour of grief, we’re confident that Norway, like other free societies beset by terror, will respond with conviction, courage and resilience.
No, I don’t believe in rehabilitating mass murderers.
That’s already happened. See the other post about “Astute Blogger”.
Make no mistake: Right-wing hatred knows no tolerance.