The President’s speech tonight from the East Room was designed for an audience of non-junkies who haven’t been obsessively following the twists and turns of the debt limit debate. Therefore, for junkies like me who have, not much of it was new. And many of us could hardly understand the point. For over half of the speech, the President discussed his grand bargain plan, ruled dead by the House Republicans. This seemed like a staggering waste of time and effort. But like a New York Review of Books article, it was designed just to bring people up to speed.
The main goal here for the President was to isolate House Republicans as an uncompromising group of extremists who will stop at nothing to harm the ordinary working man in an effort to save the ill-gotten gains of the ultra-rich. But the problem is that this rhetorical flourish is in service to a position that moves us to an era of austerity, a path of major deficit reduction without shared sacrifice, which is likely to strike at the heart of the social safety net created and sustained by Democrats over the past 80 years. There’s just nothing to be excited about here. Barack Obama for the first time in his Presidency asked citizens to do some grassroots organizing, to call their representatives and let them know what they expect from Washington. But he did it by saying, “If you want a balanced approach to reducing the deficit, let your Member of Congress know. If you believe we can solve this problem through compromise, send that message.”
He gives no other option to people – not even either of the two options on the table at this late stage of the debate! It’s just balance and compromise. There’s no ask to “let your Member of Congress know that you want them to raise the debt ceiling, period.” No call to action to “let your Member of Congress know that they should not play games with the full faith and credit of the United States.” This was community organizing for a cause that most of the people Obama wants to organize don’t believe in. Polls show they aren’t interested in real and painful benefit cuts to cherished safety net programs. They aren’t all that interested in slashing domestic spending “to the lowest level it’s been since Dwight Eisenhower was President.” They are interested in jobs, but Obama only used that word twice tonight – both times talking about the loss of jobs that can come from a default event or “growing debt.”
There was a very curious moment when Obama started talking about the debt ceiling. He said:
Now, what makes today’s stalemate so dangerous is that it has been tied to something known as the debt ceiling – a term that most people outside of Washington have probably never heard of before.
Note the passive voice there. The stalemate “has been tied.” Who tied it? House Republicans got the ball rolling, to be sure, but the President abandoned any call for a clean raising of the debt limit a long time ago. Like the House Republicans, he has wanted to tie a long-term deficit reduction plan to the debt limit. He thinks it would be good for the country to “put our fiscal house in order.” He thinks it would show the value of compromise and prove to the world that America can get “big things” done. He seems to believe that it would somehow kick-start our economy to cut trillions of dollars in aggregate demand, by providing confidence to the business community to invest. So the stalemate has not “been tied.” Obama tied it.
And he tied it knowing full well what House Republicans are capable of. Consider this passage:
First of all, a six-month extension of the debt ceiling might not be enough to avoid a credit downgrade and the higher interest rates that all Americans would have to pay as a result. We know what we have to do to reduce our deficits; there’s no point in putting the economy at risk by kicking the can further down the road.
But there’s an even greater danger to this approach. Based on what we’ve seen these past few weeks, we know what to expect six months from now. The House will once again refuse to prevent default unless the rest of us accept their cuts-only approach. Again, they will refuse to ask the wealthiest Americans to give up their tax cuts or deductions. Again, they will demand harsh cuts to programs like Medicare. And once again, the economy will be held captive unless they get their way.
That is no way to run the greatest country on Earth. It is a dangerous game we’ve never played before, and we can’t afford to play it now. Not when the jobs and livelihoods of so many families are at stake. We can’t allow the American people to become collateral damage to Washington’s political warfare.
All of this is something we already knew long before entering this debate. We already knew that the House would rigidly ask for the maximal deal. We knew that they wouldn’t raise taxes. We knew that they would want to cut programs for the poor and the sick. We knew they would take the economy captive. Obama knew it; he’s laying it out right here. He sought a deal with these people anyway. And while some might suggest that he had no other option, that divided government is such that he couldn’t have it any other way, with the temperature rising and pressure on Republicans to avoid the blame for default, there’s no reason that he STILL has to hype his balanced plan. He could ask for a simple increase in the debt limit today. But that’s not his goal.
I don’t have much to say about John Boehner’s speech either. It existed on a plane orthogonal to reality, where Barack Obama wants a “blank check” to spend money we don’t have, and all that rot. I don’t have the CrazyBaseLand-to-English dictionary needed to properly analyze it.
“We all want a government that lives within its means,” Obama said, but it wasn’t but days ago that he said in one of his many press conferences that the American people aren’t concerned with the national debt when they’re out trying to find a job. If Obama is calling on the public to make their voices heard, then they must say this: raise the debt limit and get back to the actual business of investing in this country and creating jobs, so we can grow our way out of the Lesser Depression.





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DD says
“The President’s speech tonight from the East Room was designed for an audience of non-junkies who haven’t been obsessively following the twists and turns of the debt limit debate. Therefore, for junkies like me who have, not much of it was new”
Most non junkies are happy the NFL is back
So, Obama just gave a speech to who?
the tea party that hates him and
the Dem base that hates him
Harry Reid and Boehner plans both attack the DEM BASE
both plans hate poor people, sick people, the elderly, the middle class,
thank god FOOTBALL came back today
if the non junkies watched OBAMA and BOEHNER tonite, DC may have been burn down tonite.
Ray Lewis was right, Football keeps crime down
Go Steelers!!!
I just emailed my rep, Pelosi, and told her: no shared sacrifice. That if the Dems vote to cut any part of the safety net I will not only withhold votes and money, I will actively work for their defeat. I am not afraid of President Romney.
The poor and the middle class have been sacrificing for 30 years. I told Pelosi that she and Obama should be ashamed to be members of the party of FDR and telling average Americans to eat their peas when the wealthy are eating caviar in record proportion.
No austerity. No shared sacrifice. Not after the bankers received $23 trillion in bailouts.
Just wait till Grandma’s kicked out of the nursing home that Medicaid won’t pay for anymore and so moves in with Mom and Dad, who are trying to figure out how to save up enough to patch the holes in their retirement with those SS cuts and the end of pensions while they also also pay for two additional years of health insurance thanks to the increase in Medicare eligibility, while they’re also supporting their unemployed 20-something who’s carrying 100K in non-dischargeable student loan debt.
The powers that be want us dead. Dead or taking to the streets, and one way or the other, I think that’s how it’s going to go.
Excellent summary, David. It’s possible a major goal of the WH tonight was to put pressure on Boehner to give up on the two step approach. Obama wants this done now, and that’s it through the elections.
But you’re right to wonder why, when you’ve got all of those people all there, all those new contributors that just donated millions to his reelection, that he wants them to call and ask for “balance,” and “compromise,” when he’s already endored the non-balanced Reid plan and would be willing to have Boehner adopt it with no further compromises. What the hell is a supporter expected to say to his/her rep? . . . “please be polite”???
And on MSNBC, Lawrence followed up with David Plouffe, who just mouthed the same talking points, ending with his characteristic, but presumably unintended, sneer. This is how you motivate voters into a movement for your position? They couldn’t even explain what their position was.
Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid – he has no idea they’re still The Third Rail and not only did he touch it, he frikking is kissing it.
Folly.
Great Post!!!
Win The Future! must be for the Rich Only
All he ever had to do was let the Bush tax cuts expire. And to do that he had to do: nothing. Nothing at all! Exactly what Obama excels at.
He could have had his Reaganesque moment by staring down Boehner and demanding he tear down that wall, er, pass a clean debt bill. And Wall Street would have forced Boehner’s hand, everyone knows that.
Imagine the tingle up Chris Matthews’ leg if Obama had just gone all manly like that. Instead now Matthews is calling for Bill Clinton to come back to the WH because at least he can explain things to people!
What a useless empty suit Obama is. Yes, a tool of Wall Street. But also a hollow hollow man.
He’s not interested in growing this economy. Just as you inferred, he offered what is called a double-bind choice, in essence, a non-choice choice. He offered either default or austerity, 2 distasteful choices that only differ in degree of pain…you choose! He’s getting people to call so they can feel they were empowered to make the choice without realizing that the choices he offered are not the best choices or the only choices to make. Again, it’s another example of Obama cynically manipulating people to support a policy that will actually harm them or place them in a more precarious state than they are currently. You saw it in the health care debate, the financial reform debate and now this.
Honestly, in a way, this is an auspicious time. Either default or austerity will lead to Depression. It is a given. If FDL and allied sites start the drum beat of supply-side/austerity as the cause of our Depression and excoriate the very philosophical underpinnings of such nonsense, every proceeding month of increasing unemployment will be laid at the feet of Obama, the Republicans, and the Blue Dogs. The cuts would be at first halted and then reversed. And then all those responsible will be tossed from power. But it must start NOW.
Austerity has been a clandestine, de facto policy of mainstream Dems for awhile now.
I found out straight from the horses mouth at a visit to my rep earlier in the year:
http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2011/04/10/so-hows-that-winning-the-future-thing-working-out-for-you/
i don’t want deficit reduction.
Here’s the bumper sticker; Austerity = Great Depression
David Plouffe, says “being progressives means
cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade”
this statement by David Plouffe made real progressives heads explode!!!
Senate Dems need to make some calls back home, real democrats hate the Gang of Six Plan, and they Hate Harry Reid Plan
Dems in the Senate and Dems in the House get your pens ready!!! you will now be taking a pledge.
the question will be simple, “Do you pledge never to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicade” yes or no
Answer No = Primary Challenge, and your politcal career ending.
Not Answering = Primary Challenge and your politcal career ending.
you can thank David Plouffe for this idea.
Sorta like the Harry Reid and Boehner plans that both attack Democrats
Harry and Boehner plans both attack the poor, the sick, the elderly, the middle class
David Plouffe definition of progressive, is not like by many people.
I don’t understand what he wanted people to say when they called their representatives?
Tell them you want a balanced plan and compromise? Is he still trying to sell his Grand Bargain where he sold us out on Social Security and Medicare?
As some other politicians said:
Not just NO … HELL NO!!!
He actually said that, in those words? Really? If this is true, I gotta get access to the link for that quote, so that I can shove it up my obot friends’ collective asses.
But if Romney is elected and you voted for Tea Party Republicans out of spite, are you saying you aren’t afraid of the ending of Social Security and any government involvement in health care with Wall Street taking over government?
Or do you think the members of Congress will suddenly empathize with the homeless and hungry camping in Washington?
It was a bit of your attitude plus mobilization by conservatives to destroy government because they weren’t going to sacrifice for the poor, disabled, elderly, helpless, that swept out so many Democrats and replaced them with many who reject the first enumerated power of Congress: raising revenue with taxes to pay debt.
The conservatives are saying they want to take the country back, to 1786-87 and the great days of Shay’s Rebellion, useless Continental that were issued to fund the revolution by the powerless to tax Continental Congress.
Nate Silver on the growing odds of a default.
Does anybody have an idea of sending this open letter by Mosler to all congressmen and Obama who seem never to have heard of modern monetary theory?
http://my.firedoglake.com/selise/2011/07/17/warren-mosler-mmt-to-president-obama-and-members-of-congress/
Pshakkottai
What every commentator seems to have missed thus far (my apology for again calling my inner news editor out of retirement), is that Obama and his cronies have once more conned Moron Nation — this time by talking the voters into crashing the congressional communications system with their demands for undefined “compromise.”
Thus, with Barack the Betrayer as its eloquent front man, the Ruling Class and its RepublicRat minions set the stage for the silent genocide of death-dealing cutbacks in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Such is the capitalists’ Final Solution to the problems of poverty and unemployment.
Indeed the only truly apt historical analogy is to Munich in 1938 — Neville Chamberlain’s duplicity falsely disguised as compromise for “peace in our time,” Obama’s anti-Working-Class treachery similarly camouflaged as compromise “for a government that lives within its means.”
Those who still believe in prayer should pray I’m wrong…though I’m usually not.
Theres already been a large group of people calling to not allow cuts to the big three, in addition 0 gave an old speech that included raising revenues as well as cuts according to Howard Fineman who was on Lawrence O’Donnell.
Getting rid of Nancy Pelosi and especially Harry Reid as leader would be a great thing. How do those Tea-People pull this off? Eric Erickson at Red State has Republican Reps calling him.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/25/staff-briefing-notes-on-the-boehner-plan/
EWW Highligted.
A funny quote from Red State, and not ha ha funny:
Sarg01 says there is no credible solution without CCB – which is dead.
I’ll agree with part of that. Not economists but not Tea-Tards either.
Profoundly hope you’re correct, though I gravely doubt the RepublicRats will heed such pleas. Indeed my own survival is at stake: elderly (age 71) and physically disabled, the collapse of the journalism market has left me helplessly dependent on Social Security and Medicare.
Meanwhile thanks for the information.
(A more developed version of the comment to which you responded is on my blog, Outside Agitator’s Notebook, lorenbliss.typepad.com.)
Excellent post, David. Thanks for your continuing great coverage of this farcical fiasco — depressing as hell but great.
GOP is one Dem capitulation away from getting everything they wanted and that capitulation — cuts to the Big 3 — has obviously been a goal of Obama throughout. What betrayal!
I have commented in other threads that I think we actually will be better off with a GOP president for the reason that then the remnants of the traditional Democratic Party in and out of Congress will be freed of Obama and can mount more effective opposition. Also one thing Obama is right about. It will take a Democratic President to gut the safety net. The GOP has not, could not and would not dare do as much damage as Obama has shown he has in mind.
GET off our lawn….You are not welcome
Scripted by Plouffe via Wall Street is what I came up with for Obama; scripted by Murdoch via Fox for Boehner
It’s all here:
House GOP Moves Toward Vote on Boehner Bill As Obama Urges Public to Act
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/26/obama-warns-world-is-watching-as-boehner-says-gops-efforts-on-debt-have-been/#ixzz1TDPu61U8
Vote Obama — for four more years of Lesser Depression!
Sounds like a winning slogan to me.
Obama’s talk was only OK, with too much recycled stuff there. There should have been something fresh and new, even if not substantively different policy-wise.
So that would secure the bigger crowbar in Boehner’s hands for now. Maybe Obama has to do it this way for the moment.
His out may be simply waiting for something, anything, to get to his desk, vetoing, and then turning a trick with the 14th and barging ahead that way.
Now Boehner’s uttered a calm but stern “No” as to last night, as would be expected. So why would the 14th not be on everyone’s mind? Maybe in a perverse way even the GOP is expecting (and hoping?) such.
How about. Organize! Activate! Compromise?
Romney isn’t President now? It gets confusing with the ongoing use of indefinite detention, the extension of the Bush tax cuts, the nationalization of Romneycare, etc.
I was shocked to hear Obama “rally the troops” in such a bland, wonk-ish, technocratic fashion — for something his base despises. Sure the phones were crashed, but whatever did people SAY?
OFA = Organizing For Austerity
a 83 year old wise man Knows the problem in DC.
we all need to listen to our elders on this one
“I was talking to my 83 year old father (who lives in GA) on the phone the other day and he said:
“The problem with America today is that the Republicans hate — truly hate — their President more than they love their country. And they will run this country into the ground to prove it.”
I think that pretty much sums it up.
Link Below:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439×1573254
this 83 year old man in GA has seen the current devil that now has taken over DC!
the talking heads on TV
some bloggers
Dem House Members and Dem Senate Members
all need to go talk to this 83 year old man, because he could tell them all about this devil.
he would probably tell them, this Devil does not just like GOPers it also likes Dems, and once Obama said he would cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade, he woke up the one that lives within the Dem party.
so every Dem Member of congress needs to run away from OBAMA ASAP!
remember this question. Dem congress person do you agree with OBAMA vision for the USA? yes or no? what are going to say.
Chris Matthews, Sam Stein, and others thinks Obama can triangulate his base. This 83 year old man will probably tell them, Obama is just triangulating his way into a U-Haul truck
Like a Black Politician told me the other day, “Obama must be the dumbest black man in the USA” Every black man he knows republican or dem says a Black man cannot cut Social Security or even talk about cutting Social Security. this is political suicide
Planning on giving money to OBAMA?
Helping Obama get elected?
You may need to go talk to this 83 year old man, he will probably tell you when pigs fly and hell gets cold, Obama will win in 2012.
When one listen to OBAMA last night, one saw a man that was in complete Denial, Obama still thinks his Grand Bargain is in play.
Like Howard Fineman said, Obama is clueless, and his speech last night was horrible.
“Obama has never seen this Devil apparently, he needs to go talk to 83 year old man in GA”
Bernie Sanders look like a ghost last night, “Bernie has spoken with the Devil that lives within the Dem Party, and he now knows what evil Obama has woken up within the Dem Party. Kabuki games are over!”
Bernie look shaken last night, like he did not know such evil dwells in the Dem Party.
an 83 year old man in GA will help them understand what is happening in DC.
John Boehner and Eric Cantor are not in charge.
the Devil made them stop talking to OBAMA, and do a deal with Harry Reid, that is powerful! See this Devil hates the idea of speaking with OBAMA.
Wall Street thought they were the biggest Devil in DC, no more a old Devil has come back home.
Everyone is waiting for the shit storm? some of it came to DC in 2008 more of it came to DC in 2010, more of it is on way since OBAMA said he would cut Social Security.
this Devil is a little worse than a Shit Storm, he is more like Nuclear Storm. He is a lot older than the Wall Street Devil. the Wall Street Devil must now try to control him, yes, because they invited him back to DC.
Imho, the 14th should be the only option right now. Get this done and over with. Let the Republicans challenge it in court and lets see how the SC interprets the language of the Constitution which would be very, very interesting.
Why is it that a six-month extension is just kicking the can down the road, but a fifteen month extension is a permanent solution? Wouldn’t a permanent solution be the much more reasonable idea of abolishing the debt ceiling altogether, like nearly every other country on Earth?
Exactly, and completely rehashed, and no zip. I think maybe he is drugged; the name of the game is depression.
The President & Dems are always called to Compromise, while the Republican Party always fail to Compromise! It is their way or no way! The GOP Party shoud learn the Art of Compromise, and while their at it true compassion for the people they propose to represent.
Last night after Obama’s speech to the Nation, he turned around and walked away from the podium.
He reminded me of Tom Hanks in the movie “BIG” where he was shrinking as he walked away back to a little kid. He lied his way to Big and now he is shrinking from his job.
I really think both men demonstrated that they are completely out of touch with reality. Neither can admit that the house of cards they have each built for himself can collapse at the least breath of wind from the moment the first two shaky bits of cardboard are leant against one another.
The Greeks managed to geometrically construct beautiful systems of epicycles rotating around perfect circles to describe the movement of the planets. The systems explained, to some extent, the phenomena. But they were not real; they didn’t exist, except in the minds of their creators. What they had going for them were that they were examples of geometrical beauty in themselves – these are not that.
It’s as if what is important is the construct of restraint, not what is happening to people and what could happen were another course to be taken. It is madness to have these kinds of nonsensical pseudoarguments with an inexorable artificial deadline when real people are going to suffer as a result.
Stop exhibiting faulty theorizing from faulty premises, misrepresenting the will of the American people, piling confusion upon confusion – and raise the damned debt ceiling!
Maybe too, start listening to folk who build their houses out of bricks.
That sounds about right. There is so much parallel between then and now. Ian Welsh had a very good article on how dangerous this man is. I hope you are wrong as well.
Very well said. The construct of such phoniness is mostly why the whole debate is so lifeless…signifying nothing.
And at some level he must know that; sadness surrounds the whole drama and his words.
Worse than Herbert Hoover.
A good diary on this subject at Dkos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/25/998373/-Compromise-My-Ass?detail=hide
Great writeup as usual, David.
Worst President ever!!!!
I’m going to let my Member of Congress know that I read The Shock Doctrine, and I know that they are trying to use a manufactured crisis to secure the interests of rich people and corporations, and make unpopular changes to the social safety net.
I am 80 and in Georgia. My 50 yr right wing relative told me the other day that things will be just fine when our generation dies out. It seems they are determined to speed that process.
Yes I know the face of hate toward the powerless. It is no different now than in 1950. You smell it and feel it.
I just posted this reply to selise in an earlier post regarding my comment on missing Christy’s whipping us to move:
You know, if we were calling/faxing/emailing about these budget/SS/MedC issues on top of the office visits last week, and just flooded the Wh and critters, it would be transformational.
I really liked the talking points paper for the critter visits last week. Would love a 4 point framework for calling,faxing,emailing. (Especially, the calling & faxing.)
Christy’s efforts were empowering and fought against Shock Doctrine methods.
And that’s what is important here, fighting Shock Doctrine Methods with our voices directly.
WH and Critters are afraid of that one voice… We must not be afraid or apathetic. We are 80% against doing anything to SS/MedC/MedCr… Let’s show what 80% looks like in faxes and phone calls.
Try flooding the fax and switch board with 100 calls per hour today.
You can also call or write to the President:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Please include your e-mail address
Phone Numbers
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
TTY/TDD
Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121
Tell Boehner too:
H-232 The Capitol Washington, DC 20515
P (202) 225-0600
F (202) 225-5117
Obama is a “cool” guy. It’s just all so simple to him, why have prior leaders gotten all sweaty with their fighting. TMK to Obama: The day you can’t go out there and generate whatever kind and amount of force is necessary, you will lose. In your particular case, we now see that we must generate the force against YOU. You are the threat.
http://dailybail.com/home/yves-smith-debt-ceiling-extortion-of-the-american-people-pre.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyBail+(The+Daily+Bail)
http://goo.gl/vEMgP
so much crap
What’s so difficult to explain, if he were progressive:
Billionaires pull strings of puppets who set the American basij in motion
(our munchkins.)
So say gays don’t deserve to live (then was Jews, then nations were integrated–immigrants.)
Then say Harry Reid isn’t manly (actually a former boxer, along with
compassionate, brilliant) so a munchkin can get elected.
The upshot: people get themselves shafted, their children and their
grandchildren shafted, so billionaires can reserve profound welfare
running to them from the middle class.
And the ones doing the shafters are typically process self-generated
“bad” gays, if not simply depraved, maybe part of how they got so
rich in the first place.
http://goo.gl/HTped
http://goo.gl/O5Qcu
With your generous spirit, you’ll make it to 100. Your relative, well, I think you will outlive him with his coldheartedness.
silly O, you haven’t realized yet that regular people have been in “austerity mode” for many years now…
Instead of promoting something grandiose again (?like your ego?), think small, very small. Just raise the limit via the 14th then. You’re losing just about everyone on all sides.
BTW,
You cannot “organize” for austerity.
Asking me to “organize” for compromise when the poor, disabled, seniors are going to be hurt, possibly killed, through a slow death. No. Possible. Way.
I do not “organize” for compromise when in fact it is theft, a criminal act, I am being asked to “organize for”.
What crappy wording. I want to know the name of who came up with this part of his speech.
Your second sentence says it very clearly, TS.
Most chillingly and honestly well.
I am somewhat younger than you, but old enough to remember, and to know what I saw, then, and what I see, today.
Thank you, TS.
DW
I’m with you. but they didn’t set up all this kabuki so they could do the right thing for America.
They did it so they could steal the rest of what we have for their Mahsters
I hope you never talk to that person again!
It’s all doublespeak and bullsh*t. That’s what it takes to convince people to vote against their own interests. This is Obama’s role as the “black mascot for Wall Street”, and corporate interests.
Remeber to tell them, “No!” to balance and “No!” to compromise and “Yes!” to the 14th!
Obama said…”there’s no point in putting the economy at risk ..”
And I don’t understand how he doesn’t know that austerity measures/deficit cuts at this point in time will do exactly that. The debates keep missing this point – cutting trillions right now will finalize the tanking of the economy, will surely either throw us into a full blown depression or make this recession much worse, and last much longer. What morons we have running this country!
They know they just don’t care what happens to the poor and the working and middle class. They and their well connected friends will weather the hurricane just fine. In fact it’s actually to fatten their portfolios.
But he did it by saying, “If you want a balanced approach to reducing the deficit, let your Member of Congress know. If you believe we can solve this problem through compromise, send that message.”
Yea, visions of sugar-plums dancin’ in my dreams, for example…
Obama: “Come-on in to the “compromise” pool; the water’s nice!”
Me: Soooooo…. President FU [, Progressives], how’s the balancey-compromisey-hopey-changey thing working for ya!
You can bet I’ve BEEN writing my Congress people, but not for what HE’s suggesting!
For many of us, Mr. President, austerity began in 2008, and hope died in 2009. Austerity for those who already have nothing left to lose? How austere are the top 5% going to be? One less trip to the 4 star restaurant each month?
Should we embrace the paranoid cargo cult of the Beckians and start buying gold and survival food and gear Mr. President? Do you and the rest in Washington even REALLY know we exist, and what conditions are like? When was the last time you went back to one of those neighborhoods you helped organize and see how they’re doing? Have you ever really experienced their pain?
Abandoning the poor, the disabled, the disinfranchised and the aged in the name of some mythical new golden age, if only those who have nothing left to sacrifice give up a little more, such is not the dreams of a good, positive leader. We’ve grown acustomed to it from the right wing, but when the titular head of the supposed left wing embraces it, we have to shake our collective heads and sigh.
Somebody needs to slap Plouffe up back the head (repeatedly)for making such a stupid comment – in fact, the slapping should not stop until her retracts the statement…
It’s not too hard to think of a “gifted orator” of the past that led his country into the abyss. The silver tongued snake oil salesman posing as the President is on the same path.
That is so insane, isn’t it? – it has been proven that the success of America and its wealthy is concentrated on the backs of the middle class.
Is Romney backed by the Tea Party??? I am more afraid of Obama in a re-election term because he really has nothing to loose. I think he will really take off after us in the next 4 years. Romney will love being President so much that he will hesitate on his legislation for fear of re-election. Not that I am planning to vote for Romney because I have never voted for a Repbublican but I am really terrified of Obama.
Hang in there. Your 50 year old right wing relative might make the flight out of this world before you…My friend and I were commenting on the obituary page the other day and were amazed at how young people were dying.
Obama has to be one of the most, if not the most, venal President in the history of the country. Sadly, far too many people still think the Emperor is clothed in the most splendid robes that dazzle the eye. Of course the corporate media helps promote that image. None of them dare say the Emperor has no clothes.
Firedog Lake Friends:
In the conversation of “shared sacrifice” why are we not talking about the pensions of the Washington politicians and all of their benefits and pay? What about the travel expenses that we pick up when they and their staff are commuting during the week and all of those “fact finding” trips overseas ?
That should save us a bundle…..
We should all be horse whipped for voting for this guy…
Nah. He is my cross-eyed cat. I love him anyway. But his views do reflect the Gen X ers. Remember Obama is just turning 50.
In Georgia you don’t have many friends if you can’t love right wingers. But I do find it interesting that when they need a friend they call a liberal.
“Why is it that a six-month extension is just kicking the can down the road, but a fifteen month extension is a permanent solution?”
I feel like both the DC Democrats and the DC Republicans are putting us on a death spiral as far as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid go…they’ll just keep chipping away year after year and what they miss this time, they’ll chip away at some later date – even Pelosi admit her plan was merely temporary rather than a permanent solution. I feel these are very dangerous times as the safety net gets undermined…in some cases very sneakily (Catfood CPI).
A year ago I would have told you that you were nuts…….now I am not quite sure that you are totally wrong.
We are living in a world where if you hold on to an idea long enough, no matter how crazy, it will become the new normal.
We were lied to. The person doing the lying is the one deserving of being horse whipped.
You nailed it, Dandelion. And that would make a perfect television ad.
Now THAT is trickle-down economics. In its naked, awful essence.
With Obama’s grand compromise the hedge fund managers buy another vacation mansion. The rest us move into a one bedroom walk-up with grandma, mom and dad and the rest of the unemployed family.
Shared sacrifice only is shared by the powerless.
Right now there are at least 1 million retired service members under the age of 65. Let us assume that a portion of those are on disability, another part are in civil service jobs, and some have just decided to delay collecting. OK, call the percent collecting at 40%. That’s 325,000 pensions for people under 65. Say the average pension is that of an E-8, (master sargeant)(senior chief petty officer), around $24,000 a year. Now that amounts to $10.3 billion a year, or, for the “plan” of ten years, $103 billion dollars. This excludes the other benefits such as near free insurance. And a military retiree who puts in 20 by the age of 38 can start collecting immediately, at a rate equal to 50% of the current in service paygrade. So they are going to continue to get COLAs, too. This rate translates into over $600,000 per retiree before they would get to the age of 67, if they retired at 38.
Do you see any call for these people to be included in the drawback of benefits and retirement being moved out? No, and you won’t. They’re sacrosanct. And, because of their orientation, they are often the loudest decrying the “welfare state”. But come close to theirs, and you see the shakers and movers working the phones to make sure nothing changes to the negative for them.
And yet they represent an extremely small portion of Americans. Go figure.
I have a pair of relatives who spent 20 years in service, one station, entire time. Went in as sargeants, came out as sargeants. Hard duty, played a musical instrument. And they’re the worst teabaggers I personally know.
The Republican/Tea Party has but one goal: the dismantling of the New Deal saftey net. They intend to do it one way or another. Either by budget cuts or by causing another depression. This is tantamount to treason and Obama would be justified in pulling an Andrew Jackson with the 14th amendment. But then I have read about Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson was a friend of the poor. And Obama is no Andrew Jackson.
as a Gen X-er living in a very red state (Texas) I too was enthralled by Ronald Reagan, just like Obama was, and I was convinced that SS and Medicare would not be there for my generation. How could we think differently because the Democrats, led by the DLC, stopped defending the New Deal, and under Clinton started to deconstruct it. But one day I grew up, learned the facts, and realized that Reagan and the DLC were full of shit.
Obama has never learned that lesson.
Welcome home from Never Never Land. Yes I blame Bill Clinton and the DLC Democrats for really brainwashing your generation and youngers. They have been immensely successful. It is really the conservative base now. I applaud you for being able to move beyond. I am actually making some progress with my nephew coupled with his experience as a hard working small business man who serves big money clients who nickle and dime him out of fair profits.
Welcome home from Never Never Land. Yes I blame Bill Clinton and the DLC Democrats as much as Reagan for really brainwashing your generation and youngers. They have been immensely successful. It is really the conservative base now. I applaud you for being able to move beyond. I am actually making some progress with my nephew coupled with his experience as a hard working small business man who serves big money clients who nickle and dime him out of fair profits.
He’s going to throw us all under the wheels of his plutocratic bosses limos. He doesn’t know any other way. This is just another Public Option style Kabuki show. In the end he’ll get some awful deal that he and the his pals in the Corp. owned media will sell as a great victory for Compromise. What a joke , by now anyone with half a brain whose been watching this klown knows what’s he up to. The GOP could have never gutted the New Deal but he can and will and his tribal base will just moo.
I propose an immediate moratorium on all congressional travel, domestic or international. Let these clowns stay and sweat in D.C. Furthermore, cut off their generous healthcare and force them all onto Medicare so that they would experience the problems firsthand.
Do the same for Obama and his cabinet.
Nice wrap up Mr. Dayen.
Start to finish nothing in there I don’t agree with.
Nice overview, the call to action is full of holes, lies and distortions WRT Dims/Obama’s Intent.
We wait to see how it all pans out . . . in the meantime I encourage FDL/MyFDL and Pups to shout out loud about the Super Committee and how that will impact our rights, programs and our elected representation process . . . it’s a HUGE threat, bigger n the threat to our social services programs couched in the debt ceiling debate myths, IMHO.
Because why?
Because despite how the present debate turns out, the Super Committee (once enacted) has carte blanche to destroy it all, EVERY thing since FDR/LBJ . . .
It’s not a lesson for the elected officials to learn.
They ALL are behind deconstruction of what FDR/LBJ wrought.
It’s all planned, they are all in on it or they would not BE elected officials.
Do NOT let Obama or any of them off this hook, they are ALL fully responsible for the erosion or our rights, jobs, and general existence. And it’s deliberate.
Destroyed by the nascar generation of stupid. I was happier with binladen as an enemy.
Beautiful job, dday. Very valuable rhetorical analysis. I especially liked this line:
This means that most of the people Obama wants to organize don’t believe in his re-election, either.
sorry to nitpick, but zeroing out all pay, benefits, staff salaries, office expenses & travel for all elected members of Congress would only save enough for a few days or weeks of interest on the national debt. It was posted around here somewhere, the total monthly amount paid out by Social Security is in the range of $80 billion or so, IIRC. YMMV. I doubt all of Congress spends that much in a year on themselves & their travel. In fact, I’m sure they don’t because $80 billion is the total (unclassified) budget for the entire U.S. intelligence community.
Queen Nancy is a shill for the oligarchs
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/07/25/pelosi_it_is_clear_we_must_enter_an_era_of_austerity_.html
Cue Arthur Silber
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/07/profiles-in-courage.html
“The powers that be want us dead. Dead or taking to the streets, and one way or the other, I think that’s how it’s going to go.”
They had better start hiring more Blackwater Goons to patrol their beaches. Whats that Jim Morrison quote?
He and Plouffe are convinced it’s the way to the geese that lay the golden winning votes, the independents. They think they all want compromise with the Republicans.
Help, o FSM!