As I first brought to you on Sunday afternoon, Harry Reid is working on a debt limit proposal that would satisfy two key Republican demands. It would sustain the dollar-for-dollar relationship between spending cuts and an increase in the debt limit, and it would not include any revenue increases. Reid made the formal announcement in a statement:
Tonight, talks broke down over Republicans’ continued insistence on a short-term raise of the debt ceiling, which is something that President Obama, Leader Pelosi and I have been clear we would not support. A short-term extension would not provide the certainty the markets are looking for, and risks many of the same dire economic consequences that would be triggered by default itself. Speaker Boehner’s plan, no matter how he tries to dress it up, is simply a short-term plan, and is therefore a non-starter in the Senate and with the President.
In an effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, we are putting together a $2.7 trillion deficit reduction package that meets Republicans’ two major criteria: it will include enough spending cuts to meet or exceed the amount of a debt ceiling raise through the end of 2012, and it will not include revenues. We hope Speaker Boehner will abandon his ‘my way or the highway’ approach, and join us in forging a bipartisan compromise along these lines.
As I surmised, the $2.7 in spending cuts would include what amounts to an accounting gimmick, scoring a drawdown from Iraq and Afghanistan in such a way that it saves $1 trillion over ten years. While that still leaves $50 billion a year to be used on those operations, I actually think it’s a good thing to put Congress on the record limiting funds.
So where would the other $1.7 trillion come from? As the New York Times reports, not from Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. So the likely scenario is that they come from $1-$1.2 trillion of agreed-to cuts in discretionary spending, a by-product of the Biden talks; perhaps $200 billion or so from mandatory non-health spending, perhaps Ag subsidies or federal employee pensions; and the rest from foregone interest payments. There is no indication that the Reid deal would include a Catfood Commission II to deal with entitlements or tax reform.
On the other side of Capitol Hill, John Boehner was readying his bill, a two-step process which would cut about $1 trillion in spending up-front, and raise the debt limit by the same amount, and then convene a Catfood Commission II to overhaul entitlements and taxes by early next year, with the second increase in the debt limit contingent on that overhaul passing.
While the Reid plan appears to give Republicans everything they want, it’s important to note a couple things. First, almost half of it is accounting tricks. Second, it holds Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security harmless. Third, no Catfood Commission II. That doesn’t make it a good deal, it just makes it a better deal than all the others on the table. $1.2-$1.4 trillion in cuts is still a good chunk of austerity. Still unknown is how hard Reid’s spending cuts would hit in the immediate term. The economy would react badly to spending cuts in FY 2012 or 2013. They would be better backloaded. But the discretionary budget would be eviscerated by cuts of this magnitude.
Nancy Pelosi released an approving statement on the Reid plan last night, suggesting House Dems could get behind it, and aides said the President “could endorse” the plan as a fallback. Anything Obama embraces will be seen as something Republicans must reflexively oppose, so he’s holding it at arm’s length. The only thing left Obama and the Democrats are adamantly opposing is a short-term increase in the debt limit, a feature of the Boehner plan. They don’t want to go through this rigamarole again, and would prefer to extend the debt limit out past the 2012 elections.
As I’ve said repeatedly for months, joined often by Big Tent Democrat, the debt limit deal was lost in December, when the Bush tax cuts were extended without dealing with it. There was always going to be a massive turn to spending cuts, because the tax extension blew another hole in the budget. It was the Norquist strategy of starving the beast, and drowning government in the bathtub. The best that can be said for the Reid plan is, depending on the contours, it may not totally drown government, just waterboard it. And remember, it’s bound to get worse – we still have TWO budgets that Congress has to write before the next election. Fiscal Year 2012 starts at the end of September.
Plus, it could get worse still – word is that Boehner and Obama are still holding indirect back-channel negotiations on a grand bargain, even after Boehner walked out on Obama twice.




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This is the best of a bunch of bad options.
Republicans smell blood though thanks to the president offering SS, Medicare, Medicaid before. Though there are no new taxes, I’m sure they want to see at least one of those cut now and probably the president as well, though he may be willing to save that for another time since he wasn’t successful doing it the past 2 weeks.
Does this force the GOP hand?
Hope and Change is going to cave on the old and weak…no one could have predicted that? Also too, I hope I win the lottery!
And the markets are
shaken to their foundationsmildly concerned. I suspect it won’t get a lot worse today unless something else happens.I read somewhere (no links, sorry) over the last few days that the Treasury had managed to take in a little extra revenue, and expenditures had been a little less, and they had an extra $20 billion or so to tide them over another week.
If we had a functioning government (and apparently we don’t), this would be the time to pass a clean debt increase, or just repeal the stupid thing, and move the budget negotiations to the budget which is coming up next.
But we don’t, and they won’t.
The Democrats should have capitulated earlier. Waiting this long just makes it more embarrassing and makes a good many even more disgusted with them.
Reading in Bloomberg over the weekend about the Blazing Saddles
scene where the new black sheriff holds himself hostage‘negotiations’ they referred to Social Security and Medicare as ‘entitlements’. I promptly emailed the editor that these are not entitlement programs, they are insurance programs and they have added not one cent to the deficit or the debt. But still the propaganda continues unabated.Better send another e-mail to the Social Security Administration.
http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-entitle-ussi.htm
Indeed. I wonder what Republican plant they hired to write the text for that web page. They call it entitlement in one breath and then ” HOW MUCH WORK DO YOU NEED TO BE “INSURED”?” in another. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?! Okay, enough with the attacks on the New Deal. They have even got assholes on the inside now.
And, uhhhh, that is SSI, not Social Security. That is funded out of a separate account. Nice try though. Being disabled, after earning enough credits would indeed be an entitlement. Gotta learn to stay on my toes better.
It is clear the Democrats plan on extending the
BushObama tax cuts.Otherwise, we would not be having this fight.
thats a bullshit solution
Default Crisis Solutions Letter to Congressmen
Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/ 7-23-11 Audio default crises default letter / Greece, Fight The speculators now
July 21, 2011
My dear Congressman —
The American people are not interested in Obama’s Grand Bargain or the Gang of Six plan, which are cowardly and dishonest attacks on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, jobless benefits, and other vital programs. Cuts in these programs will not reduce the deficit, but they will kill Americans. Such cuts represent a veiled form of genocide. We want to save money by ending all the wars, including Obama’s fiasco in Libya. We want the repeal of the failed Bush tax cuts. We want to see Wall Street forced to pay their fair share through a Tobin tax or Wall Street Sales Tax of 1%, with half the proceeds kept by the US Treasury and the other half distributed to the states to stabilize budgets and protect social services. We want the most toxic derivatives — including credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations — banned, as they were from 1936 to 1982. We want a recovery and jobs program in the New Deal FDR tradition, all financed by 0% federal credit from a nationalized Federal Reserve. Reactionary Republicans and Tea Party fanatics, and Right Wing Obama need to be fought, not appeased. As for the ratings agencies, they should be on trial for their malfeasance of 2008, and not dictating policy to the US government. If Obama thinks he can get re-elected by catering to Wall Street and by betraying his own base to pander to those morally confused independents, he will meet the fate of Jimmy Carter. Any Democrat who votes to weaken entitlements must expect to be primaried and ousted. We urge you to call McConnell’s bluff and avoid the cataclysm of default by passing a clean bill to raise (or, better, abolish) the debt ceiling with NO CUTS to our hard-won New Deal and Great Society economic rights.
— Webster G. Tarpley Ph.D.
Budget of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
Fiscal Year 2012
Read the People’s Budget
Most ideas in this bill add to it.
Fairness in Taxation Act, Schakowsky Introduces Bill to Tax Millionaires and Billionaires
http://schakowsky.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2877&catid=22
Prosecute mortgage fraud by the banksters. On county level No foreclosures if banks paperwork is fraudulent. Banks to pay court cost $ 100,000 and 10 years jail for each incidence of fraudulent paperwork.
No need to bother sending this letter to right wing Obama as he is completely against any of these ideas
Obama only intent is to rob our social security
Pass the Peoples budget NOW
Dump Obama 2012
Dems won’t dump him
Dump dems
Everyone and the Progressive caucus quit democratic party
Join Oct 12 if they will support the above action
But of course with all the state lotteries, with new casinos opening daily throughout the country the myth that “anyone” can become a millionaire is perpetuated by a corrupt ruling class knowing full well it’s all a sham.
Well, Bush already cut Medicaid to the bone. So, unless the HMOs and insurance companies DON’T keep getting the $$$ for “managing” it, where’s the savings?
And, I think we are all pretty aware the the only things that interest DC along with the markets, are the rackets called the health insurance industry and PhRMA.
Obama has really put himself in a pickle and didn’t even know it by continually thrusting the social programs towards the meat grinder.
And all this after Ryan made himself so unpopular with his voucher’s for Medicare, which everyone has forgotten now, and keep confusing him with Obama
me likey
My appologies. I was not intending to mislead, I guess I read it wrong myself.
How contemptible to blame “The Democrats,” when the actual villain is Obama (and the Republicans), and when Democratic leaders in both the Senate (Reid) and House (Pelosi) are fuming mad at him for his treachery against the Democratic Party! Barack Obama is a Manchurian candidate; blaming the Democratic Party only helps his (and the Republicans’) cause.
SSA “benefit” literature became entitlement literature during my lifetime – it was benefit under Truman as I recall – and Reagan did not use the term as I recall.
I suspect it was CATO and the other right wing think tanks in the late 80′s and 90′s that flooded the literature with “entitlement” crap – maybe it was GW that made it Social Security Administration wording.
SSDI is the insurance based social security disability program with benefits,
SSI is the needs based disability program with an entitlement
Thanks for catching that.
Reid just made it official, if it wasn’t already, “bipartisan” means doing whatever conservatives want.
Why does Reid only want to satisfy two Republican demands? He should be a good Congressional Democrat and satisfy all of them! Nothing less will do!
Pathetic. Republicans spent us into the center of the Earth under Bush and never had a problem with the debt ceiling. Let everything default and kick these pieces of crap out of government. Both sides.
I keep hoping I’ll wake up from this.
Not true. The Democrats are doing nothing to put a stop to this. The DNC should be at the White House dancing on his head and you don’t hear a thing out of them because they will vote for cuts in SS and Medicare when it comes right down to it. Obama has no fear of the Dems because they are sheep. This crazy thing could have been stopped a long time ago. Today a Tea Party strategist was on MSNBC telling the media that they do not support the cuts to SS and Medicare. They are slowly turning this thing around so that the Dems can own it and the Repubs can get out from under,
Not so contemptible. Reid’s plan essentially is Pelosi’s plan according to what I’ve read. And none of them, not Obama, not Reid, not Pelosi, have taken a principled stand on anything. All of them are all too ready to make deals which hurt their constituencies and diminish the Party’s legacy. If they want to be blameless they have to say no to cuts without tax increases. They have to say no to cuts of Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid under any circumstances.
insofar as those tax cuts were regressive, they were bad policy.
but we needed (and need) to increase deficit spending and pretending otherwise with phrases like “hole in the budget” as though that was a bad thing is bad economics and bad politics.
personally i think the deal was lost when progressives jumped on the “deficits are bad” bandwagon because that left no one to explain why, for the foreseeable future, we need more deficit spending…
the cpc budget calls for a fed govt surplus. they may be political progressives, but that doesn’t help much when they advocate non-progressive economics.
So, Barry gets another “win”, even though it was about 12th on his list of supposedly “desirable outcomes”, brought on by the “hostage taking” GOP. And, we catch another poke in the back of our bloomers. Lovely.