I think people are getting a little theatrical about this Boehner showdown, with their focused whip counts and the like. The Washington Post says Boehner is still looking for votes, but I’m really not sweating this. It turns out that Boehner actually needs 216 votes, not 217, because Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) is out of the office today, recovering from colon cancer surgery, along with Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ). The rule for debate passed pretty easily, with 238 votes in favor. Could Boehner lose 22 votes on the final passage? I suppose he could, but I’m not really seeing it.
The road from there is a bit uncertain, but you can see the contours. After Boehner’s bill barely passes, it gets killed by the Senate, and some compromise between the two very similar bills is reached. But of course, this is Washington, so some opportunist is looking to throw a wrench into this delicate dance. Enter Kent Conrad:
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said Thursday that he expects both the Republicans and Democrats’ current deficit proposals to fail.
When they do, he said, the Gang of Six — a bipartisan group of senators who have negotiated their own deficit deal — would be ready with a draft of their its proposal [...]
“Reality is that both sides have to see that their favorite position cannot prevail,” Conrad said. “It’s at that point you can reach a principled compromise. We’re not quite there yet, but we’re very close.”
The Gang of Six is “going to be prepared to be a part of the solution” once the deadlock happens, Conrad said. The group of senators has a draft that is undergoing revision by “the staffs of all the members,” he said.
You have to question Conrad’s sanity at this point. CBO couldn’t commit to scoring the Gang of Six proposal, really just a five-page outline, two weeks out. Now with just days left before the debt limit is reached, he wants to pull this back out?
The compromise position is already at hand; the Reid and Boehner plans have very few differences (though this is one that I hope gets ironed out). And anyway, Conrad would almost certainly be the co-chair of the “Super Congress” (if they just take the heads of the two budget committees, you’d have Conrad-Ryan), and he can trot out his Gang of Six plan at that point. But forcing it into the endgame of a debate where so much can go wrong seems just completely stupid to me.
As I said the other day, blame the Gang of Six.





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Is there something in the water? And just would Conrad really be the Chair of the Super Congress? He is out of there in 2013. I guess he could totally screw us over in just over a year.
The Gang of Six are determined to stretch the parameters that animates Criminal Stupidity in Politics. Thus, their “perk” that is earmarks must be maintained and perpetuated, via the Super Congress and in the instance of the CatCritters Commission Numbered Eleventeen or is it TwelveTeen, will have to ingratiate themselves even futher and deeper.
Regardless, it’s tiresome to have to listen to all the “shitnanigan” that will be effecting my pocket book in the months and years ahead. And because, we, the Brown People, saved Reid’s backside in Nevada’s politics, he won’t be “listening” to our Ideas. He has morphed into Obama when it comes to “rejecting Ideas.”
Conversely, challenging all these Plans now in the public domain, is intended not to raise the debt ceiling, but to scare the hell out of the Middle Class and the Poor into not voting come next year.
In retrospect, it’s easy to see that $495 Trillion was “in play” during the financial meltdown, and it took the Federal Reserve to restore this historical “balance” to the extent that the Fed digitized $16 trillion in order to recreate the existing “balance.” Perhaps, the Fed should be given Congressional authority to levy taxes affecting these owners of this rebalanced $495 trillion? If so, the Treasury would have an additional $16 trillion that could conceivably be used to re-animate the Great Society. To wit, corporate Democrats have waylaid my future and my anticipated Age of Prosperity.
Jaango
Well, frankly I hope egos like Conrad screw up everything else. The best outcome from Congress is no bill. Then let the Prez reconsider the Constitutiion remedies he has ignored. Every proposal under consideration in Congress would hurt the country. let the markets panic.
David Dayen’s reporting on this whole thing has been truly stellar. That said, I have to admit I’m having a hard time caring much what the outcome is. Any agreement that’s reached will be devastating to the country, as will failure to reach an agreement.
Sigh. Bring on the Romney administration.
It was my understadning that the CBO can’t “score” the “Gang of Six” proposal because it has no specifics and too many “promises to do something in the future”.
Scarecrow@3
I much prefer Gridlock for the next 18 months or until after next year’s election.
Jaango
Can someone tell me what happens if Bonehead’s bill fails in the House, and WeakReid’s fails in the Senate?
Is that even possible?
I recall Conrad as not useful in the health care reform bill that became the health insurance company and drug company welfare bill.
On TV, like Obama, he speaks well and seems reasonable – then you find what he is pushing and the corporate sponsors are obvious, again like Obama. At least he is not Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman.
It is not easy being a Democrat.
CONrad isn’t stupid. He’s just a typical politican who thinks their shit doesn’t stink and they know what’s best for the country. It’s not like anyone is going to vote him out of office right? So he can basically do any self-serving act he wants without any fear of repercussion. That is the state of politics in this country.
DDay, I don’t know how you do it. Do you ever sleep? Or maybe you’re just a computer spitting out articles? DDay2.0.11
Webb will be voting for Reid’s proposal.
Warner’s office has not released a statement which means he’s probably a yes.
I hate my representation.
It’s not easy being an American
So Hey Kent: Does that mean more Vaseline or less Vaseline?
It is not easy
beingpretending to be a Democrat.That’s what they call this shit? Who knew?
I’d bank money on it. The whole entire point of this supercongress is to provide some political cover on cutting popular programs.
A little bit of vaseline and a slightly smaller strap-on.
That’s the compromise. In the end we’re still getting screwed.
Maybe a stupid question but,…
Couldn’t they take the two bills to a conference committee and hammer out the differences?
Oh I use the term very loosely.
I just figured that right about now we should be looking at our own whip count.
Conrad is a twit. If he really knows what’s best for this country then why the hades are we in this place to begin with? It isn’t like Conrad is a freakin frosh. His stupidity is exactly why our country is where it is.
Breaking News: Bonehead cancels vote — Pelosi currently has the floor and sounds ticked off…
It’s because, for all his calisthenics and calls to get a$$e$ in line, the real right-wing has given him a unanimous finger and told him, no.
Get ready, folks, it’s gonna continue to be a bumpy ride.
I am so over this whole kabuki show. I have given up caring, the middle class is going to get shit on again, and Barry/Bonehead will come out looking weak.
Bring on the Conrad/Ryan ‘Super Congress’,
I certainly wasn’t defending CONrad. I was just stating that this isn’t necessarily a play out of stupidity. It’s a power grab. CONrad has always wanted to be a big player. He’s putting all his chips on the eventual creation of this super congress then he may get a chance at being a mini-president. Even if he brings this forward and it can’t get it scored by the CBO… who are we talking about now? CONrad. Flashforward to whenever this super duper special congress is created and who will be brought up as “playing such an integral role in getting us to where we are today?” CONrad.
I wouldn’t waste perfectly good urine on this guy if he was on fire.
What a farce. Living in a banana republic.
Boehner postpones House vote — vote count problems? Just heard on NPR top of the hour news.
Sorry about the repeat news…beaten by 20 minutes!
Gang of Six Poised to Screw Up Negotiations Again
Good. nothing good will come of any of it anyway.
I don’t want a compromise — they should raise the debt ceiling without attaching poison to it. I want Democrats to stand up and say it is insane to cut the budget while the economy is so weak. I’m sick of watching Democrats agree with the Republicans and just quibble over a few details. Bottom Line: I won’t vote for anyone who tries to cut the social safety net.
Primary DINOs.
Vote Green over DINO.
My bet is that Conrad is maneuvering for an office next to Judd Gregg’s at Goldman Sachs. He’s retiring next year, so he should be getting drunk at some Washington bar with some other egomaniacs, instead he’s trying to influence large policy decisions, that means he’s headed to Wall Street very soon after retirment.