David Farenthold explains that joint committees don’t really work, and we shouldn’t expect this one to work either.
According to the latest plans, committee members would only have a few months to complete the job, and when — if — they approve a final set of cuts, the rest of Congress would be given a simple choice: take them or leave them.
Sounds simple, right? But there is a problem with this idea: Similar “super” working-groups have been tried before — and they haven’t always delivered super results. In fact, one of the few things that will make the committee’s job easier is that a lot of the ground has already been covered [...]
“They tend not to work,” said Sarah Binder, a historian of Congress at George Washington University. The problem, Binder said, is that the factors that keep the whole Congress from solving hard problems usually reappear in a smaller committee.
“The same conflict that leads to the creation of these groups,” Binder said, “gets replicated in those groups.”
I agree with that to an extent. Anyone who thinks that this commission will include any Republican who wants to raise revenues is kidding themselves.
But the complication here is the spending cut trigger. Now, triggers also don’t always work: they have a history of failure. But it’s not so much the trigger as the perception of that trigger.
If the Catfood Commission II fails, $1.2 trillion will get sequestered (a fancy term for cut), half out of the Pentagon and half out of the domestic budget, leaving programs for the poor, veterans benefits, and Social Security harmless. Among safety-net programs only Medicare could take a hit, and it would be a haircut for providers, according to reports, not benefit cuts.
This seems to set up OK for Democrats. But the discretionary budget, remember, is ALREADY taking a $917 billion hit. Additional cuts would cut into the bone. Education, housing, infrastructure, investment in green energy, government operations, foreign aid: these are the kinds of programs you would see zeroed out. What’s more, the White House really doesn’t want that level of defense cuts. So I truly think that DEMOCRATS would be more constrained by the trigger than Republicans. And we’ve seen these fights before. They end with Democrats agreeing to Republican demands. I don’t see the reason to believe that negotiations will go any different next time.
Full expiration of the Bush tax cuts was unacceptable to many Republicans and Democrats alike. So the GOP played its hand aggressively, and Democrats backed down. Failure to raise the debt ceiling was unacceptable to many Republicans and Democrats alike. So the GOP played its hand aggressive, and Democrats backed down. If pulling the sequestration trigger is unacceptable to many Republicans and Democrats alike, then why won’t Republicans simply play the same game of bluff and hardball that’s worked for them in the past? What new trick is up Obama’s sleeve to change the basic hostage dynamic? I don’t think it’s inconceivable that the administration could answer that question in a plausible way, but I don’t think anything they put out yesterday clearly offered such an answer.
And we know that the Catfood Commission II will, in all likelihood, include those safety net cuts “protected” by this deal.
I don’t see why people are even talking about the triggers so much. The commission sets up well to generate a deal, and a bad one at that. In fact, I’d hasten to add that the right move for progressives is to NOT vote for any deal from the Catfood Commission II. I can hardly see how it will get any better than the automatic cuts.




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I don’t share your worries. I see no way a deal gets done with the Republicans in the House. They will demand bigger cuts than the others would allow and the trigger would be pulled.
Ok, that sounded silly as soon as I started typing that, of course the democrats will agree to bigger cuts than the trigger because there will be some other “hostage” such as the EPA.
The thing not being mentioned is that from 2014 on, the spending cap applies to ALL programs,including SS,Medicare, and Medicaid AND exempts from the caps funding for wars OR other ‘similar activities.
http://my.firedoglake.com/ubetchaiam/2011/08/01/the-cbo-spills-its-guts/
not quite. Discretionary caps are different than mandatory. SS and Medicaid not discretionary.
Thanks but it’s hard to believe they will not find a way to screw with both.
What catfood 2 does not give up, the next budget bill (“or we shut down the gov”) will give away – plus CBO thinks there may be debt limit 2 next Sept in the middle of the election if the economy continues to go south.
In my view the sequester on Defense will never happen.
There is a loophole in the sequester that allows the President or Congress to achieve the same level of cuts needed but change who gets hit.
So the day before the sequester is to go into effect we could have a re-run of the latest crisis, and this time Obama would simply match his COLA cut and Medicare age increase with some symbolic cuts to hedge fund managers or corporate jet subsidies and say he saved the nation from a hollowed out defense force … he will show his military prowess while getting his long desired entitlement cuts.