Both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are making some bold predictions about the Catfood Commission II and their roles in it. Pelosi said she wouldn’t appoint anyone to the committee who didn’t oppose benefit cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. And Reid tried his own dollar-for-dollar pledge by stating there must be a 1:1 ratio between tax and cut solutions on the committee.
First of all, Pelosi’s appointees will matter much less than Reid’s, since it will only take one Democrat to break any impasse against a phalanx of anti-tax Republicans. See Mark Warner angling for a spot; I would imagine at least one Gang of Six member will get on there from the Democratic side. As for the 1:1, that’s a nice try. But it’s more of a quaint theory than an undying pledge.
I think it’s pretty clear that the committee will look to enact the same kind of cuts that the President and John Boehner wanted in their grand bargain. That includes the objectively bad policy of raising the Medicare eligibility age, cost-shifting in the form of higher co-pays and deductibles, means testing, using the “blended rate” for Medicaid that would lower federal participation in the program, or even the return of chained CPI. Republicans will say “even Barack Obama supported this” as they tick off each one.
Maybe nobody on the commission will agree to this. Maybe it’ll be a wise council agreeing to better policies like reforming dual eligibles by putting them in the cheaper program to administer, or negotiating on prescription drug prices in Part D, or even delivery system reforms like all-payer. Or maybe they wash their hands of the deadlocked commission and move to the trigger, which would cut provider payments across the board by about $120 billion over ten years.
But let’s be realistic. This gang of 12 won’t even be health policy experts, in all likelihood. They’ll just hack away at safety net programs, most of them in the health sector. And they only need one Democrat to bow to lobbyist pressure and sign off on an unbalanced deal, rather than walk away and end up with that provider cut.
If the debt committee hits a dead end, the agreement between President Barack Obama and congressional leaders decrees an automatic 2 percent cut to Medicare providers. That’s on top of a 6 percent cut already enacted to finance the president’s health care law, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. And the earlier cut is still being phased in.
“The story isn’t over,” said Joe Baker, president of the Medicare Rights Center, a New York-based advocacy group. “The future of the programs really hangs in the balance. It could lead to deep cuts and irreversible changes to Medicare and Medicaid that shift costs to beneficiaries.”
The hospital industry, which agreed to cuts of $150 billion to help pay for Obama’s expansion of coverage to the uninsured, says it’s just about had it. Nonpartisan analysts in the government predict the cuts in the health care law alone are enough to push about 15 percent of hospitals, nursing homes and home health agencies into the red.
“America’s hospitals find it difficult to support a debt ceiling proposal that could negatively affect Medicare for our nation’s seniors,” American Hospital Association president Rich Umbdenstock said in a statement. “Access to care could be curtailed by further cuts to Medicare funding for hospital care.”
The hospital industry will be unrelenting on committee members on the Democratic side. There’s also the sword of Damocles hanging over the head of the committee, the sustainable growth rate, which doctors and hospitals want altered (usually called the “doc fix”) at great cost to the Treasury. That hangs on the periphery of this debate much like the Bush tax cuts.
You could definitely see the committee deadlocking, and then in the 2012-2013 period, new cuts created to offset defense and Medicare provider cuts, with the result being a large, unbalanced all-cuts deal. But the recent history of negotiation suggests an “historic agreement” being reached, in that the middle class would be history.




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Thisnext time we’ll mean it.“the middle class would be history.” and what evidence is there that such isn’t already the case?
The only thing Obama craves more than cutting Social Security is protecting defense spending just before the election.
You can take that to the bank.
Let’s understand, anything the “Mini-congress” comes up with still has to pass both houses. Just getting 7 legislaturds to agree on something, does NOT guarantee it will garner a majority of votes from the other 537 ESPECIALLY given what has happened this week. Can you spell filibuster..philibusterr..filebuster…….you know what I mean.
David, you have been a busy little bee today!!!
I found a loophole in the SuperCongress bill. There is a provision for debate in the Bill.
[emphasis added by me]
So, an all cuts bill won’t be subject to amendment in the House. But any bill with revenue? Subject to amendment in the House.
Anybody who claims that revenue is an option in the bill coming out of SuperCongress is flat out lying. Anybody.
pelosireid is a lying SOS
Face it, Medicare is corporate welfare for rich hospital CEOs and doctors and is bloated and inefficient.
But hey, those rich doctors and hospital CEO getting all that corporate welfare are well represented by tax cutting Republicans in Congress, so they doubly deserve to have their corporate welfare slashed.
And if Republican leaning well off Medicare patients suffer, voting and elections have consequences, and they should pay for voting for tax cutting Republicans who see their role in Congress as getting rich off the Federal government.
And as progressives have supported the tax cutters in the Tea Party in defeating Democrats, progressives need to accept the consequences of failing to see the real enemy of their ideals: the Republicans. Elections have consequences, and the real beneficiaries of the Medicare system, the rich doctors and hospital CEOs are likely to kicked their Medicare patients in frustration. But most of those Medicare beneficiaries supported the destruction of the old health care system before Reagan because they believed Reagan that they could have the free lunch of unlimited health care on Medicare and tax cuts in the 80s and 90s and 00s.
The US health care system is the worst in the world because it is the most inefficient and incompetently managed system in the world, US health care makes the GM that went bankrupt in 2008 look extremely well managed and competitive.
And Republicans make the GM management look like geniuses. But then, the Republicans have been running the same GM management shell game.
Cutting Medicare seems to be a core plank of his platform.
Very nice catch.
Gallup, August 1
If you were running a campaign, where would you target your efforts? Trying to raise your 83% approval rating by concentrating on liberal Democrats? Or trying to raise your 37% rating by concentrating on independents, each of whom you manage to persuade counts twice, once as a vote for you and once as a vote removed from the other guy?
I’m not endorsing the strategy, I’m just saying the campaign team looks at numbers like this and tells Obama he needs to “appeal to moderates” (on the assumption that independents are moderate swing voters).
Until the numbers change, don’t expect their behavior to change.
Heckuva job, Barack. John McCain or Michelle Bachmann could hardly have forged a better bargain.
If Pelosi said it, you can take it to the bank! /s
Count on Harry Reid to fight for your interests! /s
Yeah, right Nancy!
So none of the 95 big-D
DemoVichycrats who voted “Aye” on this “deal” will be eligible for the Gang of 4(x3) Caesars?!Oh, yeah. I believe that.
Fork. What a forkin’ depressing day.
Happy Forkin’ birthday, Mr President. May you have the personal and political future you deserve.
There is going to be NO WAY that Obama can win in 2012. The economy is going to tank again, only deeper. As a result of the economic conditions he has created, Obama is going down. We cannot let him take us with him. Unless we want a Republican president, we better get going and find an alternate candidate with a progressive platform. They say it can’t be done? There is no alternative.
Lies, and the lying liars…. There is no way they are going to protect anything but the rich and their tax cuts. They already demostrated that by their votes yesterday and today. I won’t bother listening to their crap any longer anyway.
A 1:1 ratio of revenues to cuts actually isn’t a bad place to start. But first you are going to need $900 billion in new revenue for the cuts that were just made. THEN you can go to committee. I’m going to hold my breath. **huuuupht**
Are there any pro-tax Republicans? Even one? No? So all it takes is one defection by a Democrat to scuttle any revenues. There won’t be any revenue proposals. The trigger, oddly enough, did not raise taxes, relying on cutting the military to be the poison pill for Republicans.
If you put a mega-hawk like McCain on the commission, that might actually work. The teabaggers aren’t hawks. They are, as they said in the 19th century, bomb-throwing anarchists.
The representation on the committee will tell us a lot about which factions are ascendant. I expect outsized representation by teabaggers.
I read some predictions this morning about unemployement and you’re right. There is no change barry is going to get re elected. Especially when millions of us stayed home. He really doesn’t have a clue what he’s awakened. They all took the wrong message away from 2010. I guess they will receive it loud and clear in 2012.
Well judging by the folks I know, all the independents who gave him a shot last time, don’t want to vote for him again. Of course, they don’t know the opponent yet so who knows, but they are certainly not impressed with the performance. The far left folks like me do not want to vote for him again. I mean the chances of me going into the voting booth and voting for a guy who wants to raise the Medicare eligibility age are totally zero. The only people I’m talking to who want to vote for him again are the O-bots who like him because they like him and the party hacks. I don’t think that will do it for him in swing states.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
now you want the truth??
obama if reelected (which he CANT BE Without the same fraud used to reelect bush) will totally end medicare by going to the ryan plan and privitize SS by forcing all its revenue into the stock markets to further enrich the bankers and the rich.
nothing will prevent that from happening because the democrats will lose the senate as planned.
just like they lost the khouse (as i predicted)ensuring obama would use that excuse for passing all his far right legislation.
I would love to send him his shit sandwhich for dinner.
Pelosi said she wouldn’t appoint anyone to the committee who didn’t oppose benefit cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
She seems to be confused about if she’ll even be given a chance at having a choice. They haven’t been in play with the wh and 0 yet.
Pardon me if I don’t believe anything she says.
There are other choices Peace And Freedom are on the ballot in Calif a few other states and Greens are in almost ever State. There a few places where there might be a real Progressive running. Look into it, you might be suprised. I’m voting P&F like did in 68 when demodogs was taken over by the overlords and they have been killing it slowly ever since.
Right:) I agree a real waste of the Burton Machines time of training her.
My point is, if this deficit fiasco didn’t tank his numbers among liberal Democrats and Democrats, what’s going to?
I don’t think it’s the economy for the simple reason that if you aren’t in the top 5% of the population, the recession never ended. You are already unemployed and losing your home, how much worse is it going to get by next year? And the numbers are where they are.
I personally don’t subscribe to the “independent == moderate == swing voter” theory. Since I’m not a Democrat (I’m registered as a Green), I get counted as independent in a three-choice question. I’m definitely not a moderate. I might be considered as a swing voter, but I swing between green/socialist and Democrat. Many self-identified independents (perhaps most of them) vote straight ticket or nearly so, and rarely swing. After the 2008 election, the number of self-identified Republicans plunged, and were self-identifying as independents.
So I think campaigns really have unrealistic notions of how many obtainable votes are in the independent group. I also think that most of the uninvolved voters are potentially liberal or left-of-liberal, discouraged from participating by a lack of real choices.
I’m in California, I am definitely going to look into P&F if we don’t come up with something here.
I think a tell on Obama’s chances in the northern midwest, which he absolutely cannot win without, is the vote from Iowa’s congressional delegation on this debt deal. ALL the Republicans and ALL the Democrats in the House and in the Senate voted against it. Now, you tell that’s OK because he’s doing swell with independents. I think not.
Yes …keep talking to people. We can do this.
Did you see the new poll this morning. His numbers are tanking. Just wait for the next jobs numbers and and unemployment figures come out. Not to mention further jobs losses.
Which poll?
Well, I agree with you on everything but your belief in those numbers. I’m not so sure they measure what needs to be measured. His numbers were better in 2010 and look what happened there. I suppose the tea party might terrify people into getting out to vote but I have more faith in the Republican machine. They’re more likely to pivot to someone who can at least impersonate a moderate and the voters are going to register their wrath about the state of the economy. Obama thinks he doesn’t need passion from the left. Well, we’re the only Democrats who have the kind of passion that drives us to the polls come hell or high water. He cannot afford to lose our votes particularly in swing states. He can’t win in Minnesota or Iowa or Wisconsin without passion on his side.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
And it’s a Ras poll. Lowest approval ratings ever. Going into bush land.
You are surely right that no one on the mini-Congress will be a health policy expert.
If they really wanted to protect Social Security from the Catfood Commission II couldn’t they have voted against The Great Spelunker’s Compromise thus preventing its creation?
I was gonna guess that. How much is Obama paying his political advisors?
Ding!
And it’s Ras, so figure they are skewed by at least five points.
Don’t forget the housing crisis has yet to blow up.
The (you know what) is going to hit the fan by the election.
Yes, this will hurt the economy. Ours, not theirs.
Yes, the housing issue will eventually blow. Hurting the economy. Ours, not theirs.
In a rational world, I would say no chance O get reelected. But this ain’t Kansas anymore. Hasn’t been for a long time.
We will see.
Turnout is absolutely key. Lots of people only vote in presidential elections. More so on the democratic side – the right did an outstanding job of voter turnout in 2010. This is why the right is so fixated on voter suppression – they just don’t have the votes if everyone shows up. That’s also why the Obama campaign worked so hard at early voting in 2008 (and I expect them to again) – it defeats most attempts at voter suppression.
I don’t think it’s so much that the right turned out in 2010, it’s that we sat out. Or didn’t vote dem.
Please make them stop with this big-talk of ‘bi-partisan’ Gangs of ?? ‘tackling the tougher decisions later’ bullshit.
Not once have I ever seen the $#@^%$* Democrats ever leave a bargaining table with little if any of what they said they hoped to accomplish.
Reid and Obama have turned out to be horrible liars.
Yeah, and the dead weight of declining assets among the boomers. And he thinks he’s going to win on cutting Medicare. If you’re my age and you’re trying to figure out how the hell to predict how much money you’re going to have and how much you’re going to need…. Boomers, are looking at hard numbers that have softened up and disappeared.
What does he offer me? He won’t offer security. I need to know what my income is going to be and what my healthcare costs may be. And all he does is brag about how much he wants to pull the rug out from under me in the interests of….??? what??? At least the R’s promise visions of low taxes and magical growth. What is Obama selling? After 4 years, hope it’s not.
Both. High turnout among Republicans, low turnout among Democrats. The enthusiasm gap reported before the election happened on election day. I never saw any exit polls that convinced me that any great number of people swung their votes.
Demographics / money / turnout.
Democrats have demographics in their favor, and Obama is going to have a metric shitload of money. So it comes down to turnout. The Republicans routinely do such a great job of turning out their people that they don’t have much more to gain there. If Democratic voters turn out, Democratic candidates win.
Fortunately for us, barry and his dollars add up to very few votes compared to us.
Let’s be clear on this.
Anything the 12 want passed WILL get passed.
And I think you have the evidence in the house and senate votes for the debt deal as rock solid proof.
They all work for the same corporate fascist overlords. And and end of FDR/LBJ policies and programs is the goal.
It don’t take a progressive to see that simple picture I don’t think.
*shakeshead*
HUGE catch, thanks for sharing . . . this needs to get spread fast.
I think though that he got a contingent vote of approval from a considerable number of Reagan Democrats in 2008 who were fed up with war and the bad economy. They took a chance on him and it hasn’t paid off for them. Somebody, I think Reich, was saying today that triangulation worked for Clinton because he could use the improving economy. That’s just not going to be there for him in 2012 particularly among middle class whites who’ve seen 4 more years of declining wealth. And he won’t have passion on the left. He won’t be the flavor of the month for the young and fickle. And although he’ll get good numbers among African Americans, his numbers are likely to fall off there too. They won’t be more excited in 2012 than they were in 2008.
I don’t want to minimize the importance of organizations like P & F but the past is the past and we need to organize and create a new party with a futuristic appeal. I’m from the Woodstock generation and that time is gone. We need a party that will offer candidates who will pledge to work towards the issues affecting us at this time and with an emphasis on “term limits” minus lifetime retirement and healthcare for future Washington Representatives.
The unmarked to market debt is floating like an MX Missle in Reagan’s turd bowl.
And, behind the housing clusterfuck to come (and is here) is the commercial real estate market . . . just about ready to collapse fully.
Wonder how much cds and shorted derivatives are invested in THAT mess.
It’s fugly across the board, but that’s what one would expect when the judiciary, congress, WH, military and all our elected representation from city to county to state to fed is owned and operated by corporate fascists.
Anyone listen to Thom Hartman today? What an ass… The reason that we had the debt crisis is because we all stayed home in 2010. Oh, so when exactly are we supposed to voice our displeasure with our betrayer and chief if not through NOT supporting his party? He (and his party) are a bunch of lying no good pieces of shit, so I’m sorry if I chose to not blindly support the party in 2010. How about the party do something to deserve my support?
Oh that’s right.. Thom is in DC now. He has to kiss their asses otherwise what was the point of moving, right Thom? It is all about access, right? Maybe you can go to Biden’s next watergun fight? Ass.
Think of it like Lord of the Rings but without the happy ending. What matter is what Sauron (Obama) wants since he has the One Ring to Rule Them All. 9 of the 12 will be Nazgul while there will be a token 3 elves. I guess it’s possible for there to be another Frodo Baggins to destroy the power structure.
Eli is upstairs.
Yeah I was surprised how many people have the audacity to blame us, I didn’t stay home by the way I just stopped voting for people who don’t give a rats ass about what my family amd fellow Americans need.
enough with the fantasy numbers!!!
These numbers are great if we were playing fantasy football. FOR LOL
If un-employment tops 10% what do you think is going to happen OBAMA?
Obama is losing in Michigan, and Ohio? For LOL
Obama has a political team? WOW this is news? is this the same political team that forgot about the economy for 3 years?
Obama has to look at a couple of numbers
White non college grads hate OBAMA nothing new here
White college educated voters are leaving Obama in droves
it is always the economy stupid
Obama better do a Bush, and buy some Die Bold machines.
you always try to give Obama hope. for LOL
Obama can run to the left
Obama can run to the right
Obama can run to Kansas
Obama can run around the WH seven times
At the end of the day Obama has to get the people who visit FDL and control MILLIONS of votes, to vote for him in 2012. thus OBAMA big problem. Yes FDL has some readers who control massive voting blocks.
Last night the DEMS marched out Mrs. Gifford? Why?
The Dems know this Bill is a shit storm.
Let us change the subject. yeah this is going to work. the stock market just went down 265 points
A confident WH and Dem party would not need to do this type of window dressing.
We already know OBAMA is not getting elected.
Obama and Hillary mission in 2012 was to keep John Edwards out of the WH in 2012.
Black Liberals don’t raise 1 billion dollars? they just don’t
Like Matt Tabbi said
and the Devils that Obama work for are going to give him another Billion
the Beauty of OBAMA, is what Markos said last night
The Left can’t primary OBAMA because he is Black.
the only reason OBAMA is not getting primaried now, is because he is Black,
Goldman Sachs, the Banks, knew the Left would not kill the OBAMA Trojan Horse, because of his Skin Color.
The Devils on Wall Street forgot to tell OBAMA the following.
People like Hoover and Bush never get statutes and they will always be hated by the people and nations they screwed.
No FDR, JFK, GW, MLK, treatment for OBAMA, Obama will always be hated, as time passes the hate for OBAMA will only Grow!
The Devil will also tell Obama, all the money in the world, will not save your good name, you will be hated like Hitler by some in the USA.
One should never work for the Devil, unless he knows how his or her story ends.
My heart is all aflutter! They do love me after all!!! /s
Come this November things are going to change, if not before then. The only thing can save Obama is the thug candidate. Surprising that they ran this shit sandwich so well but they may end up nominating Michelle or Mitt, both of whom will lose.
Well, I’m an Independent who voted for Obama. I knew I made a mistake 3 months into his term, which put me at odds with my Democratic friends. I will never vote for him again and giving tax breaks to the rich, starting/expanding wars and cutting benefits to the most vulnerable will certainly never change my mind. In fact, nothing he could do until the election could change my mind. I personally believe he is a one term President and the Progressives are making a mistake not challenging him. But, that is just my, not so humble, opinion.
I heard him. He really gets full of himself. People didn’t turn out to vote for Blue Dogs or catfoodcrats. Minnesota elected a liberal governor inspite of party opposition because he ran saying he wanted to tax the rich.
I voted. I did NOT vote for every Democrat on the ballot. I voted for every liberal on my ballot.
Amen.
Your title just made me laugh and laugh. Those folks sure like to talk, don’t they?
Meanwhile, to prove Matt Taibbi’s point yesterday that Wall Street loves them some Obama — and why not, what Republican candidate is going to get so many honest Americans to embrace the kleptocracy? — news that they couldn’t be more thrilled with their employee:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/08/guest-post-obama-still-wall-streets-honey-raises-more-as-both-raw-amount-and-percentage-from-wall-street-than-in-2008.html
Good catch
not following
I also thought commercial real estate would drop – but prices are increasing
As to unmarked to market debt the investment accounts are not that large – and the liabilities off set are really long term – I just do not see the problem.
I definitely don’t believe anything rat-brain spoiled-brat-brain Republicans have to say about anything. And then there is President Obama, Sen. Reid and former House Speaker Pelosi, who did all that they could last year to make certain this debt hostage situation would happen this year. So, do I believe anything these three “Democrats” have to say anymore? Nope.
These three “Democrats” keep saying, as they’ve said in the past, that we need more revenue, more revenue, more revenue, and yet last year there was a simple way to guarantee that our democratic government this year would see a sharp increase in revenue…simply by letting the budget-busting deficit-exploding revenue-draining Bush era tax cuts expire as scheduled at midnight on Dec. 31, 2010.
So, what would have happened at one minute past midnight on Jan. 1, 2011 if the Bush era tax cuts had expired?
1) Tax rates would have reverted back to Clinton era levels. These levels made it possible for President Clinton to pump enough money into the U.S. Treasury so that by the time he exited the White House in January 2001 he left a budget surplus for his successor, George W. Bush, who immediately squandered the budget surplus through huge tax cuts, tax cuts that added almost $5 Trillion to our nation’s debt by the time Bush left office eight years later.
2) With increased revenue coming into our nation’s coffer on Jan. 1 of this year, odds are that instead of approaching the arbitrary debt ceiling, we’d actually have been receding from it, thus no debt crisis, no hostage taking, no insane demands by Republicans to slash our government to the bone, bleeding our nation dry, no attacks on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, no fake dealing making, no fake compromises, no negotiating with insane, unpatriotic, nation-destroying conservatives.
And all that the three top “Democrats” had to do last year was…do…absolutely…nothing!!!! They could have let the Bush era tax cuts expire, thus generating an instant revenue upsurge, helping with efforts to balance our nation’s budget, possibly, eventually paying down our nation’s debt as President Clinton did, while having more money on hand to help American citizens weather the Bush Recession.
Instead, these three top “Democrats” did something!!! They extended the Bush era tax cuts, keeping these budget-busting deficit-exploding revenue-draining tax cuts in place, thus setting the stage for Republicans holding America hostage, making any increases in tax revenue (even by closing tax loopholes) impossible until after next year (if ever)…but only if the destructive Bush era tax cuts are finally allowed to die, nailed in a coffin, buried. Do you think this will happen? I doubt it. President Obama, Sen. Reid and Pelosi’s block in the House will join with Republicans and find some way to extend them even longer. Bye, bye, America!!!
It’s all been a charade. It’s all been a hoax. And the action last year (when inaction was called for so as to generate more revenue) of these three top “Democrats” speaks much louder than their words this year, or next year, or whenever, over whatever. Anyone of these three top “Democrats” could have nixed any extension of the Bush era tax cuts. They didn’t. Thus, they wanted what just happened to happen, with all the “cruel and unusual punishment” Republican provisions arrived at in this orchestrated budget deal, but with no new revenue stream to offset these provisions. Incredible!! Insane!! Planned!!!!
I agree, Reid will appoint one of the gang of six, which has already agreed with Obama that entitlements need to be cut to make Obama look like a centrist and appeal to independents. Is there a more ignorant, uninformed, self absorbed bunch than the so-called “middle”. These people’s only goal is to lower their tax load. They support most progressive priorities, but like the starried eyed child who believe in pink unicorns, they also believe it can be dones with lower taxes.
after all we’ve seen over the past 8 years or so, is there any reason to believe a single word coming out of Reid’s, Pelosi’s, or any Democrat’s mouth?