The President has just the thing to focus the federal government’s attention on the jobs crisis: a bus tour of the Midwest. And his Treasury Secretary kicked off the campaign (shall we call it The Next Recovery Summer?) in the Washington Post. How does that go? Well, he spends 14 paragraphs defending the debt limit deal and then busts out with this:
And by locking in long-term savings, Congress will have more room in the fall to pass additional short-term measures to strengthen the economy — such as extending the payroll tax cut, which provides an average of a thousand dollars to the after-tax incomes of working Americans; extending unemployment benefits; and financing infrastructure investments. After all, strengthening growth and putting more Americans back to work are among the most important things we can do to improve our fiscal situation today and over the long term [...]
It is not enough for Congress to have prevented a disaster it brought on itself. Lawmakers should return in September prepared to act to strengthen the economy and get more Americans back to work. Doing so will help repair the damage this fractious debate inflicted on an economy that was already slowing, not just here but around the world.
This is that famous pivot we’ve been hearing so much about, the one that has been attempted at least seven other times by the Administration. Remember that the end of the health care bill was supposed to precipitate a pivot to jobs. Then the end of Dodd-Frank would do the same. And so on.
But this underestimates the malign forces who don’t want to pivot, who want to remain right in the muck of austerity for as long as possible. Deficit scolds consider the debt limit deal to be a lowest common denominator, and they want the Catfood Commission II to improve it. Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, the Statler and Waldorf of Washington, have an op-ed in today’s New York Times essentially saying, “There will be no pivot!” They write that the debt crisis has been merely postponed, and that none of the essential work has yet been accomplished. In what amounts to a companion news piece, Binyamin Applebaum writes that the debt will be higher in 10 years from the debt deal (in real dollars; debt-to-GDP is a far more important figure), and that health spending remains out of control.
The simple solution to all of this is to do nothing (allowing all of the Bush tax cuts to expire in 17 months) and to create jobs (you simply can’t cut the deficit at 9% unemployment). But the malign actors just don’t want to hear that. They want to break the promises the country has made to the poor and the elderly. And they’re not going to stop yapping until they get there. So this “pivot” is just fanciful.
Especially when the Democrats are perpetually trying to one-up the fiscal scolds:
One of the big victories by tea-party Republicans in the debt-ceiling measure signed into law Tuesday was securing a requirement that Congress vote later this year on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.
The measure would need a two-thirds vote in each chamber, and then ratification by 38 states, to succeed. And most observers believe passage in the Democratic-controlled Senate is all but impossible.
Enter Sen. Mark Udall, the centrist Democrat from Colorado, who has introduced an amendment proposal and said Tuesday that Democratic leaders have chosen his legislation to be considered in the fall.
President Obama and other senior Democrats have opposed any balanced-budget amendment, but the idea is popular with many voters – particularly independents, who are growing more fiscally conservative.
Udall is up for reelection in 2014. Many of his Democratic co-sponsors – including Sens. Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Joe Manchin (W. Va.), Bill Nelson (Fla.) and Ben Nelson (Neb.) – are running this year and need support from centrists.
This is really a competing measure to the Republican version of a balanced budget amendment, which includes a spending cap. But just the fact that this vote has to be taken by October will maintain the focus on the deficit.
The point is that, based on the structure of the debt deal and the necessities of passing budgets and other legislation, the deficit will never be fully vanquished in such a way that this pivot can be accomplished.




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No one should expect anything different. The rich are getting what they want. Only an anti-capitalist movement can make the rich want something else — namely, a new New Deal to save the system that enriches and empowers them.
Only a direct attack on the capitalist system itself can bring about progressive changes. At some point, this is just going to have to become obvious to everyone — or else nothing will change.
Arab Spring now happening in the darndest places
Silly David. Constant pivots are an integral component of every circle jerk.
Thanks for the post.
Thank you for all you do, David.
Geithner:
…”additional short-term measures to strengthen the economy — such as extending the payroll tax cut, which provides an average of a thousand dollars to the after-tax incomes of working Americans; …”
That’s the next pivot – hammer home that payroll tax cut, hammer home that nail in the Social Security coffin.
Ballet dancers “pivot”. Screws screw. (Sorry to be so blunt; I didn’t used to be this way. Nails and screws, gee whiz!)
Shorter Geithner: OK Wall Street, you’ve gotten everything you want. Now get off the pot and start getting the economy growing again.
And now, having popped the information that Joe Lieberman, Mark Warner, Diane Feinstein, Kent Conrad, and Evan Bayh held the 2009 debt ceiling increase hostage, is no one talking about primarying or running third-party against Diane Feinstein? Clearly California’s Congressional delegation needs new blood. Like most Democratic delegations, you pretty much have all gray-hairs in Congress. Is is not time for California’s most beloved Mayor, who held San Francisco’s hand when Harvey Milk was murdered, to retire? And be replaced with someone to the left of Bernie Sanders?
If California can’t do it, most of the comments on this blog are just whistling Dixie.
Of course, if the pain gets bad enough we can always turn to “The Leader” (whoever that might be at the moment) and abandon the whole idea of representative government — substituting a popularly based military dictatorship for the dysfunctional Congress. A cynic would almost think that was the point all along.
What does a “direct attack on the capitalist system” look like. What are the first five items on the To Do list?
Never Ending Pivot = Spin.
Given the number of large protests that are planned, and the general spirit of rebellion in the air, it is very possible that the Tea Party will pivot to a spending program for FEMA camps. And the tyrant would be pleased to sign it because of its bipartisan nature.
It’s just more bullsh*t in an attempt to cover his ass. The payroll tax holiday is a backdoor way of defunding and eventually cutting Medicare and Social Security. I’m hearing more and more people on C-Span radio and other places who are really understanding the big picture now, and it’s not good for Obama or Congress.
DING!
So…. less and less money into SS
You’re 100% right! We need a working class or anti-capitalist movement. We need to get organized. The main advantage the working class has is that we are the many and they are the few.
Let’s say that a huge number of people start to understand the big picture. In all seriousness, what, through the ballot box, can we reasonably expect to accomplish any longer? Do we really think that the moneyed, connected PTB are going to relinquish control of their puppets in congress, the court and the WH?
I ask this in all sincerity.
It would seem the FAA stoppage would be a perfect way to illustrate Gooper intransigence. It has all the elements: no compromise, ideological goals, denial of routine government service to millions, people thrown out of work, stopping construction work that could create jobs.
Tour that!
Tim Geithner is a PIECE OF SHIT!!!
Examples of his shit:
“Democrats recognize that we have to find savings to preserve programs for the elderly, the middle class and the poor, and to create room to help rebuild the economy.” -T. Geithner
1. It’s telling that the WaPo isn’t allowing comments on this crap.
2. This is a standard “crowding out” argument. This is that government spending crowds out private investment by supposedly deficit and debt driven interest rate increases. This completely ignores the current low interest rates, i.e., the economy is in a liquidity trap and that more government spending now is a solution, not a problem.
3. Dean Baker makes the point incessantly that the US would have no long term deficit/debt problem if the US spent a similar amount per person on health care as other advanced capitalist countries, e.g., Canada.
4. Again, the man that didn’t pay his own Social Security taxes has the cojones to argue for a Social Security payroll tax holiday to help undermine the program!
More corporate welfare, with another attempt at crippling SS with deficits thrown in for good measure. The corporate media will eat it up. “Obama is back in the game” will be hailed far and wide.
FDR, commonly referred to as “a traitor to his class,” actually saved the asses of the Richie Riches of the 1930s. There was a lot of unrest then, violent labor protests, the military veterans’ march on Washington (and campout in tents, where the term “Hooverville” was coined) and diaspora of farming communities due to the Dust Bowl and regressive banking tactics.
They never forgave FDR for creating the New Deal and have been trying to overturn it ever since. Obama is the guy who’s going to do it for them.
After all, “government” is in place to protect the status quo, correct? And all those poor, elderly and sick people don’t create wealth, do they?
No more talking. Time for pitchforks.
That was what caught my eye as well. We should not continue this payroll tax cut. I need to search some real numbers because that savings figure that Geithner mentions cannot be correct.
Also, with the reduction in discretionary spending from the debt ceiling bill, I wonder where exactly would the money come from for infrastructure?
Scott Paul of the Alliance for American Manufacturing was on WMNF this morning. One interesting statement he made was that labour is no longer the highest cost in manufacturing, now it’s the cost of capital and energy. The interview starts at the 30 minute mark. Click in the Archives text box and select today’s date from the pop-up calendar then click Go.
At the bottom of all this is a belief that has taken root among many on the right ,especially among their wealthy elite ( which includes almost all of the rich) that a middle class society such as the one that was created after the New Deal and WW2 was a disaster for them. You see that struggle artfully portrayed in the famous late 40′s classic movie “It’s a Wonderful Life.” Potter is Wall st and the banksters and poor hapless George Bailey at the LOL Bailey Savings and Loan are the rest of us. In that epic Potter steals the Bailey S & L’s depositors $$ and turns George in to the authorities to be audited and punished. Potter wants no middle class in Potterville does he? He wants as he says a poor thrifty working class living forever in his shacks he rents them etc. This was the world before mass home ownership which started about this time. This is the world the rich want to return to. They have been pissed off ever since that Class traitor Roosvelet sold them out and allowed the common scum as Potter saw them to have a leg up. That’s over folks. Welcome to the return of Potterville. Oh it has better bars in that version but NOT in the new version. The new version is loaded with Churches.
The new version is loaded with Churches
shiver
Yep: dismantle Soc Sec. Take your spoonful of medicine, “voters,” cuz it’s so good for you.
I’m glad to see more letters to the editor plainly stating that they see that the poodles in Dee Cee are trying to rob the middle & working classes of our savings that we worked so hard to save. Those letters are now about 6 to 1 for letters *whining* about the potential of the so-called “Bush tax cuts” not being extended. Imagine the nerve to whine about sh*t like that, but that’s what rich people do.
Mega-wealthy Steve Wynn (Los Vegas tycoon), whose personal *fortune* has magnificently increased during the Zero Admin (and who, of course, off-shores many jobs to China), was whiiiiiiiiiiing recently about the dreadful possibility of Bush tax cuts being revoked, along with bitching about Obama for no real reason other than to join the propoganda spin fed to T-GOPers to make them think Obama is some kind of “socialist.”
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011072919/ceo-steve-wynn-1-scores-200m-quarterly-profit-2-accuses-obama-anti-business-so
Shame? These creeps & villains have NO shame. Wouldn’t know the meaning of the word.
Yep. Apt analogy and too true, esp how churches tie into this despicable new reality. True believers are being brainwashed to believe it’s all their own fault if they’re not doing well enough; that they just need to keep praying and believing “harder” in order to be “rewarded” if they’re “good enough.” I see it all the time, sad to say.
The “system” that is impervious to corruption, hasn’t been invented yet.
cause it’s not the “system” that doesn’t work
it’s the people infesting it.
Rahm most likely gave pirouette lessons when he was in the WH.
funny you should mention Dustbowl – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/heat-wave-midwest-south_n_916941.html
“But this underestimates the malign forces who don’t want to pivot, who want to remain right in the muck of austerity for as long as possible.”
Obama took the G20 Austerity Pledge to keep us in austerity until at least 2016 if not permanently…Obama is one of those malignant forces.
Well, it’s a 2% cut, so if the average woring American makes $50k I guess it comes to $1000.
But that’s money they won’t make up at retirement time. You’d be better off putting it in an IRA than spending it.
Here’s a new meme on CNN: “job KILLING companies” regarding the current round of job cuts at such as GoldSacks.
And … “there’s no way around it … government cuts lead to job losses.”
They also quoted Summers saying basically “time’s up” for recovery.
Well, then!
1) Familiarize yourself with parecon (participatory economics)
2) Encourage the left to organize itself along pareconish lines — that is, with extant left organizations transforming their current organizational structure into pareconish ones, and new organizations being organized along pareconish lines right out of the blocks.
3) Begin to educate working-class people about parecon, and how it is the only way wage slavery — which isn’t that much different from chattel slavery — can ever be eliminated. That is, how parecon is both a necessary and sufficient condition for working-class liberation.
4) Figure out where your money is going to come from, since virtually no one currently financially supporting left-wing organizing (any form of it) is going to be very interested in supporting truly radical change of the kind parecon represents.
5) Begin looking at ways to link up these new pareconish organizations together into natural alliances of the kind parecon actually lends itself to forming. (That is, currently, when organizations currently attempt to ally with each other, there’s always a big fight over who will get to be top dog. Parecon actually won’t have this problem.)
Finally, it’s not changing society that will be hard. That will be the easy part. It’s changing the left that will take all the goddamn work.
That’s an evasion of my question.
It also ignores the way that institutions shape behavior.
My question was what to do about it?
Yeah, I think the average annual salary was $40,000 in 2009 so that’s around $800. But the average has surely slid down in the last year or so.
No one will be saving this, although you’re correct that it is the best thing to do. What are there 26 or 27 pay cycles? So that is $30 or less per paycheck. That won’t even cover the increase in gas OR food prices for most families.
Yes what running shoes to wear
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/dan-rostenkowski/featured/3
Just who is giving Obama political advice? Even if he has invite only crowds like Bush did there will be protests outside of any place he speaks at and Code Pink and other Dem groups will try and infiltrate his townhalls.
The only question is will the Dems or Tea Baggers protest more?
This guy is awesome.
http://www.rdwolff.com/economiccrisis
Yup, Obama’s tour and the August home townhalls are going to be *mighty* interestin.’ Plenty to see and do!
The current payroll tax cut increased my paycheck by a whopping $1/week, for the mathematically challenged that’s $52/year. It would be more but my withholding tax increased at the same time. Whoopty fuckin’ doo.
He’s lying as usual but get your hopes built up cause He would never screw you over again, suckers.
Pivot, schmivot. It’s a NO OP for the working class while court access is cut under the excuse of state austerity measures (Huffington Post, Aug. 2, 2011 with clickable map) and the three trade agreements are full steam ahead without transparency to We The People who demand tax dollars are spent for the domestic good and infrastructure (apparently what the 1% consider “terrorist financing”) (Huffington Post, July 19, 2011):
Thank you for responding to my question.
I had to check Wikipedia for an explanation of what you are talking about with the term participatory economics. Given the limitations of Wikipedia, the institutional arrangements according to the entry are:
That is a dramatic departure from current social organization and much harder to achieve than when these ideas first appeared in the 1830s, well before their current incarnation.
Having worked in the 1970s in groups that sought to implement this same sort of agenda, let me give a practical view.
Workers and consumers councils making decisions are not sufficient to run an economy. Somebody actually has to be doing the work of growing things, making things, providing services, and so on. Adding to this detailed decision-making easily commits people to 16-18 hour days in which the councils spin their wheels never coming to a consensus when there are hard decisions to be made. I have seen this too many times.
A second issue with the council approach is the complexity of economic activity. The amount of information that a council would have to understand before coming to an economic decision is staggering. The only advantage of the price system is that when it is not gamed, it provides supply demand information from the entire supply chain without a whole lot of effort..
Balanced job complexes says nothing to me. I know it’s not your term, but what in parecon philosophy is this pointing to?
Remuneration according to effort and sacrifice is a good ethic. But what are the systems and metrics for how that gets done? How does one measure sacrifice? Or even effort? I know lots of business situations in which people spend long hours doing tasks that accomplish little economically. But it is not productive effort.
Participatory planning can and does work, but it requires facilitation skills that not everyone has although anyone can develop them. The development of facilitation is probably the most productive thing that came out of those effort of participatory democracy groups in the 1970s.
Given that this came from Wikipedia, I might be arguing against straw men. Please correct me where I have what your are advocating wrong.
Yes, “jobs”.
The way I see it is they have set up the system to create an Indian-like system. Basically, in India they have codified a group to permanent indentured servitude. A codified slave class.
That’s what they want.
How do you do it? Well the states have done their best to limit UI. Thus when off UI, they are no longer counted. Which keeps the unemployment numbers, officially at least, fairly stable. Because as new people are unemployed, people are also being kicked off unemployment.
So what happens to the 99ers (and depending on the state, it’s less than 99)?
They become the forgotten. The not talked about. The ignored. They become the new slave class. Go ask any of these people what they would do for a job? Would they take $4/hours? How about $3.50/hour? How about $3/hour? … You get the point? When you’re on the edge, and on your knees, you will take anything. And if you also have a family to support, you will DO anything. In India, there are areas where poor people agree to be slaves because they are indebted to the powerful. But because they are paid shite, they can never pay off their debts. AND, their children also follow in their footsteps. Some even have the poor people sign “contracts”, in which their children will take over the debt “in case” they are unable to pay it back. But it’s designed so they can’t pay it back. And thus you not only get the adults, but their children, … and their children, and so on.
Thanks. I did some research on this some months ago when I first saw it mentioned here. I don’t have the experience you do in this area but it seems to be similar to what the anarchists in Spain did during the revolution in 36. I haven’t been able to work out just how these ideas would work on a national scale, however.
Obama pivots, turns bus to run over people he’s neglected for nearly two years.
Th notion that the spending cuts now make room for helping the economy is more gibberish, based on false idea we have a finite pile of money, and if we save part of it, we can now spend it on good things. If that were true, then it would have made sense to front load more cuts, to make even more room for good thngs. Instead, they said they back loaded the cuts to keep from hurting the economy in the next two years. They can’t even keep their stupid arguments straight.
Obama is finished, I think,, but there are no grown ups to tell him. He’s surrounded by fools who keep reenforcing his gibberish.
And any Democrat who supports any form of a BBA should be ridiculed without mercy. They would turn US into a state that goes through a budget crisis every year, furloughs, layoffs, shutdown, closed parks, every damn year, like California . . . Almost .as helpless as Greece or Ireland.
Brutal and brilliant.
Your questions are natural ones, and actually all addressed at length in the best book on parecon I know of: Michael Albert’s Parecon: Life After Capitalism (Verso Press, 2003).
BJCs are necessary to eliminate coordinator-class domination. That is, in the Soviet Union, it’s true there were no capitalists. But the USSR was not a classless society; Marxist theory misses a class: the coordinator class, which was the dominant class — and is the dominant class in any “socialist” system.
Effort isn’t actually that hard to measure, as any teacher can tell you. And output isn’t always that easy to measure, as any football coach can tell you.
President Wimp is at it again!
Ray LaHood demanded that Congress reconvene to handle the FAA budget problem so that construction projects can restart and put people back to work. President Obama is studying his options. For somebody who claims to be a constitutional lawyer, he certainly hasn’t read the consitiution.
The constitution gives the President the power to convene and adjourn congress. So all he has to do is order them back. The Senate has remained “in session” with a skelton crew to prevent the President from making recess appointments. If this President had any balls, he’d adjourn the Senate and make a bunch of recess appointments.
Maybe people could make use of the FAA mess in picket signs during the bus tour.
Maybe he will now – he could not make recess appointments before becasue then he would have been forced to appoint Elizabeth Warren.
Tom Harkin:
Harkin is wrong. When McConnell tried to get by with a clean increment in the debt ceiling, Obama siezed the moment and pressed for his “big deal.” And, in the end, he achieved the big deal that he wanted, complete with a catfood commission on steroids, this time one with serious teeth. That’s executive leadership, Obama style.
The basic tenets are:
- Remuneration according to effort made, not the value of what is produced. A person is basically remunerated according to the hardship of the worker. As a result, someone with a cushy desk job is effectively paid less than someone with a menial job.
- Balanced job complexes. No one is allowed to monopolize “empowering” jobs while relegating some to menial jobs. Everyone is required to perform a wide variety of tasks at a given workplace, thereby balancing one’s job to eliminate social class.
- Participatory decision making at every level. Decisions as to what to produce and how much, as well as any societal decision for that matter, is made not by market forces nor by central planning, but by systems of committees of the people affected by the decision, voting democratically.
The author goes into tremendous detail to elaborate on this, there’s no way I can do it justice here. My only comment is that like all utopias, it’s idealistic but sadly falls flat when faced by cruel facts.
Capitalism works because it starts from the assumption that people will behave in their own self interest. It works because of it, not in spite of it.
Parecon assumes that people will benevolently do what they have to do for the good of society. It collapses as soon as people start getting selfish. So for instance, Parecon rewards workers according to effort made. The only way to quantify effort is subjectively by one’s co-workers. Albert suggests that members of a workplace might grade each other from A to F and divide up the workplace’s allocated income accordingly. What happens when 2/3 of the workers decide to band together, rate each other A+ and the others F regardless of effort, thereby monopolizing most of the money and rendering the rating system meaningless? Alliances and plotting would quickly replace honest appraisal. This would have the general effect of depressing a company’s productivity. Parecon suggests allocating less money to companies of below average productivity to prevent this, but what do you do when average productivity across different companies starts to sag because everyone’s doing it?
As a rule in life, if there’s an easy way for people to get what they want without effort, it will happen. Perhaps not everywhere, but frequently enough that an economic system needs a seamless mechanism to deal with that inevitable fact. Capitalism deals with this as a matter of course: unproductive workers are fired and unproductive companies go bankrupt. But if the rules of the game must be constantly rewritten to force people to play fair, you economic system is in trouble indeed.
The committees that are responsible for all decision making are ideally democratic in principle, but are vulnerable in practice. If any group of people are charged with the job of making decisions which directly impact others’ interests, you can bet they will be hounded 24/7 by those affected. If you think special interests have corrupted Congress, try extending that model to ALL decisions of economic production and you start to see the problem. Parecon assumes that people will vote with their conscience for the good of society, but even if you could outlaw bribery of any kind, you would still end up with endless nepotism and favoritism, and in practice most committees would be run by an influential minority with the implicit approval of the apathetic majority. Most people would be too busy lobbying other committees whose decisions affect them to pay much attention to the debates of the committees they’re on. Unfortunate but true.
Market forces allocate rewards to those (inviduals or corporate entities) who are most productive, and does this automatically. Those that get are those who give, which maximizes productivity. As a side effect, some will get more than others, inevitably. Diversity + Freedom = Inequality. But the point is that all this happens without the need to ask wise and well meaning individuals what should be produced and who should get it. Market forces are seamless. That’s why communism was such a disaster. Parecon differs in that it places decision making in the hands of numerous democratic committees instead of a small elite, but similar problems arise in either case: corruption and inefficiency.
As I said, Parecon is a nice utopia. But it fails as soon as people start finding loopholes to get as much as possible for themselves, and Parecon is full of such loopholes because it places all economic planning in the hands of imperfect and corruptible human beings. It quickly degenerates into a battle between the purists who try to plug up all the leaks to achieve the “ideal” society and those who benefit from the loopholes that have been found.
Dangerous and foolish, but fortunately has zero chance of being implemented.
There are so many things wrong with your post, it’s difficult to know where to begin.
“As a result, someone with a cushy desk job is effectively paid less than someone with a menial job.”
Untrue, as jobs of this type do not exist in parecon.
“Everyone is required to perform a wide variety of tasks at a given workplace”
Untrue.
“Parecon assumes that people will benevolently do what they have to do for the good of society.”
Untrue. You either haven’t read anything, or you have very poor reading comprehension skills.
Christ, this is a waste of time. No one who ever criticizes parecon ever does so with any actual quotes from pareconish literature — kind of like how people criticize Jane without ever actually quoting her.
You’re a stupid and lazy fuck. You’re also highly classist.
God, I didn’t even get to this part of your horrible post:
Oh for fuck’s sake. You are a total fucking moron. And classist as all fucking hell. But mostly just stupid.
“Market forces allocate rewards to those (inviduals or corporate entities) who are most productive, and does this automatically”
Therefore those who receive the largest inheritances are the most productive! Wait a sec…
Late to this but the post referred to – “Market forces allocate rewards to those (inviduals or corporate entities) who are most productive, and does this automatically” – is some of the lamest, stupidest bull I’ve read in years. Who the hell actually believes this???
It is difficult to get them to work on a local scale. The Harmony and Fourier communities of the 1830s in the US now are historic sites. There are a bunch of the communities from the Back to the Land movement of the 1970s that are still going. Holding small communities together is difficult. Imagining how to have “anarchist” regional, national, and global structures to support them is just as hard. Not impossible, but no one has found how to do it.
Telling me to read a book doesn’t really answer my questions. Surely there are some short summaries that would be helpful.
You are making quite a jump these days by starting a sentence with “Capitalism works…” Anyway, capitalism is a set of beliefs about an economic system, not one that is actually functioning anywhere. That’s why you have capitalist revolutionaries in every country trying to get to pure capitalism. All economies are in fact mixed economies.
Most organizations in the “captialist” economy, regardless of whether they are businesses, government agencies, or non-profits really do the same thing. The boss really likes it when you work long hours. (Many companies have been embezzled as a result of this bias.)
Balanced job complexes makes sense in one way. It motivates workers to see the corporate lawyer mopping the floor and taking out the trash. But I’m not sure that everyone can be trained to be an engineer or a brain surgeon if they are a construction worker or a nurse. But in a era of job-leveling technology, I’m not sure how impossibly this would be. I had a boss that just as a symbolic exercise to reinforce the fact that everyone’s focus needed to be on cost savings had everyone every day take a few minutes to pick up the paper clips and rubber bands and loose staples that fell on the floor. The loose staples were collected and became useful in some other part of the company. It was quite a site walking down executive row seeing all of the bigwigs doing the same thing.
This is patent bullshit. And it is one of the reasons why I labeled capitalism a belief. And anyone who has worked anywhere for any length of time and is honest with themselves knows it is bullshit. Unless productive means “patronage, bribery, nepotism, or mutual blackmail”.
Tell me again how productive those bank CEOs and their fund managers who nearly brought down the global economy by extending reportedly $100T in risk in credit default swaps were being.
Lewis Mumford wrote about utopias as being socially useful ways of visioning values and imagining ways to get there if even imperfectly. Karl Mannheim contrasted utopias (visions) to ideologies (systems) and suggested the former were more useful than the latter. So I don’t think that utopian idea is easily dismissed just because it is not practical.
Given that Steve Wynn ruined a wonderful (and valuable) painting by accidentally putting his elbow through it (he was having a vision issue of some sort), he’s the last person who should be talking about preserving assets.
He literally couldn’t tell his asset from his elbow. :)
Obviously, you’re getting roasted for this post (IMO deservedly so) but I’d like to just challenge your fundamental assumption: “Capitalism works because…”
What’s your evidence that capitalism works?
Or is it a question of how you define “works”? If the desired result is the accrual of obscene personal fortunes by the few and vast poverty for the rest (400 people own more of this country’s wealth than the bottom 50% of the population), well yeah, it’s working great. I had a different result in mind, though.
Try this [http://www.zcommunications.org/there-is-an-alternative-by-michael-albert-1]:
Once you’ve read that, try this.
Sorry, I should not have quoted the article. I should have just provided the link. My bad.
Thanks for these. I saw one practical model mentioned–Argentina. What exactly happened in Argentina that is an example of effective work councils?
Consumer and work councils, they are truly self-organizing, look a lot like production and retail cooperatives — like a farm co-op or a food co-op. What beyond the self-organizing functions of a co-op do these councils do? Co-op and credit unions have a long history of success in the US.
My main questions have to do with the vision of how to get from here to there? There is a why and a what, but not a how.
Also, there is the total absence of consideration of moral hazard. Regardless of what you do, there will be instances of people seizing power, of embezzlement, of featherbedding. What are the mechanisms for dealing with that? And how is the effort and sacrifice captured except through some bureaucratic mechanism aided by information technology?
I guess my question is, “If I wanted to go out tomorrow and actually put this into practice without waiting for the grand revolution, what would I do?”
joesephinebakers comment was a direct copy from an Amazon Review of the Book “Parecon:Life After Capitalism”
The only original portion of its comment that was not copied is this: “The basic tenets are:”
I was wrong. the plagiarist took the first sentence too. I wonder if the user was machine bot?
“But it fails as soon as people start finding loopholes to get as much as possible for themselves, and Parecon is full of such loopholes because it places all economic planning in the hands of imperfect and corruptible human beings.”
Sounds like government and corporate lobbyists under our system of crony capitalism
“Capitalism deals with this as a matter of course: unproductive workers are fired and unproductive companies go bankrupt. But if the rules of the game must be constantly rewritten to force people to play fair, you economic system is in trouble indeed.”
Yes, crony capitalism failed because it just need a few tweaks of the inputs. Nothing will ever discredit it because the MOTU are ideologues.
I bow to the genius of Obama and his klepto masters at corporate headquarters.
Good catch. Excellent response.
The problem in Argentina is that the workers never implemented balanced job complexes in any of the workplaces they took over. They literally had workers — and I say what I’m about to say as a compliment and with great admiration — who couldn’t read moving into managerial roles.
Stop right there for a second. One of the arguments people make against parecon is that there isn’t enough talent in the workforce to make it work. In other words, what critics are really saying is that working people are stupid. But in Argentina, you literally had people who moved from the shop floors into the offices who had to learn to read in order to do their jobs. This “working people are stupid” is a bunch of crap.
However, they still retained the same jobs. So once those workers learn to read, over time, they learn everything else about being a coordinator too. It’s not enough just to have people in positions of authority who have “been there” or who “understand” what doing shit work is like because they themselves used to do it.
That is, you can’t keep the same job structure. You can’t keep the same slots. You have to blow it all up, and reapportion the workplace tasks into BJCs. If you don’t do this, you guarantee what the end result will be. That’s why, ultimately, Argentina failed to produce working-class liberation. It was never designed to.
Now, as to the rest of it, the how we get from here to there, I still think the first step is just education and building critical mass. No one even on the left has heard of parecon. So I think a massive program of education and consciousness raising is in order.
After that, I think it involves taking a look at what we can control. For example, no one is preventing the left from remaking itself along pareconish lines — including, but not limited to, FDL. And I like Jane; this isn’t an anti-Jane screed. But, outside of the current set of donors who aren’t going to be very hot to fund real social change of the kind parecon represents — truly no bullshit revolutionary social change — no one is preventing the left from undertaking this right at this very instant.
Also, in my conversations with people about parecon, I’ve found that those in coordinator-class roles are highly resistant to even seeing themselves as a separate class in the economy. Just like whites often don’t care to see racial privilege and men often don’t care to see gender privilege, so too coordinators are usually not very interested in seeing their class privileges.
But understand, the economic class that workers hate most isn’t capitalists — it’s coordinators. You really want to blow Fox News and the right wing the fuck up? Go after their working-class base (and organize them for yourselves). The only way to do that, in my view, is parecon. I don’t think there’s any other blade sharp enough to handle the job.
Oh, your other questions are dealt with in the book. The allocation system prevents people from acquiring great wealth — unless, perhaps, they want to hide it all in their basement and never show it to anyone, but even then, they have to find someone to give it to them, and no one has any incentive to do so anyway.