Moody’s has joined Fitch in declining to downgrade the US credit rating after passage of the debt limit deal, though they still have the US on a negative outlook. This means Standard and Poor’s can play their little game and it won’t functionally matter, because the other two agencies still have the US at triple-A.
Meanwhile, a Chinese rating agency did actually downgrade US debt all the way to an A, which could resonate with their sovereign wealth funds. The agency, Dagong, appeared to not so much downgrade the credit rating as the political system:
“The squabbling between the two political parties on raising the U.S. debt ceiling reflected an irreversible trend on the United States’ declining ability to repay its debts,” Dagong Chairman Guan Jianzhong told CNN.
“The two parties acted in a very irresponsible way and their actions greatly exposed the negative impact of the U.S. political system on its economic fundamentals,” he said.
To the extent that there’s any fallout from the political gridlock in Washington, it’s that the country cannot execute the simple, fundamental steps to improve economic performance. Contractionary fiscal policy gets combined with an anti-expansionary debt limit deal to magnify the effects of the end of the stimulus. We have the numbers on this. 1.5% reduction in GDP. 1.8 million jobs. Even if somehow, miraculously, the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance were extended, that’s just extending current law and doing no harm. The current environment is not characterized by massive job growth, and “the weather” or “supply chains from an earthquake in March” are becoming less and less trustworthy excuses. The fiscal drag is undeniable, and the economy cannot support it.
Tim Geithner’s attempts at selling the deal border on comical, if millions of families were not at stake.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But don’t you think that any deficit reduction now will — will hurt the attempts of the economy to recover?
TIM GEITHNER: You know, I think the — basic reality we live with and, you know, part of governing is recognize we live with — we don’t have unlimited resources, and we inherited and are left with unsustainable deficits long term. And the president understands that for the sake of the economy long- term it’s very important we demonstrate to the American people, to people around the world that we can get our arms around this and start go back to living’ within our means.
Now, we want to do that very carefully so we create room for the economy to grow and we have the resources necessary to invest in things that are going to be very important to the future like education, like infrastructure, like incentives for private investment. And to do that, it is absolutely essential to lock in these long term savings. Now — the president was very strong on this and made sure that we were not going to accept spending cuts that would damage the prospects for near term recovery. Now, with this behind us, and we get this —
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: So this won’t cost us jobs?
TIM GEITHNER: No, it will not. Now … if we put this behind us then we can turn back to the important challenge of trying to find ways to make sure that we do everything we can to get more people back to work, strengthen our growth. And we’ll have more ability to do that now with people more confident and we can start to get our arms around the long-term problems.
Ultimately this comes down to the confidence fairy approach. While the near-term cuts are smaller than expected, the entire concept puts us in a fiscal straitjacket. And the cuts hit the very areas of public investment and infrastructure and education, in the discretionary budget, that make winning the future, whatever the hell that means, impossible. Heck, Larry Summers sees this:
The United States’s current problem is much more a jobs and growth deficit than an excessive budget deficit. This is confirmed by the fact that a single bad economic statistic more than wiped out all the stock market gains from the avoidance of default and the fact that bond yields reached new lows at the moment of maximum apparent danger on the debt limit.
On the current policy path which involves a substantial withdrawal of fiscal stimulus when the payroll tax cuts expire at the end of the year, it would be surprising if growth was rapid enough even to bring unemployment down to 8.5 percent by the end of 2012. With growth at less than 1 percent in the first half of the year, the economy is now at stall speed—with the prospects of adverse shocks from a European financial crisis that is decidedly not under control, spikes in oil prices, and confidence declines on the part of businesses and households. Based on the flow of statistics, the odds of the economy going back into recession are at least 1 in 3 if nothing new is done to raise demand and spur growth.
The White House will tell you that they are committed to this, through extending those two big stimulus programs (payroll tax cut and UI), and a host of other ideas. But these have to grind through the same Congress. And it looks like the bill with the best chance for passage is a bill on patent reform, and only because the Senate is just going to eat the House bill. (Remember when the House would have to continually eat the Senate versions of bills? I guess the relative conservatism of the chamber matters to which one dominates.) And let’s be real, no economist with a straight face will say that patent reform is a job creator.
I’m not seeing a path to anything but fiscal contraction. There are plenty of things that the executive branch could do with existing authority – TARP funds, TALF money, monetary policy, Chinese currency reform – but they’ve shown no appetite to do it. Look at Summers’ last paragraph, and remember it six months from now.




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Mission accomplished. I think we will see the selling off of US assets in the coming months. That and the SS trust fund is all that’s left to plunder.
I think the payroll tax cut is a TERRIBLE idea. It may put a few extra dollars in people’s pockets now, but it won’t be enough for an affective stimulus, and it has very dangerous implications for Social Security in the future.
Don’t give the
Tea-O-Peither of the parties any ammunition for their false narratives about SS.In the meantime, there’s been an ongoing run on the banks in Greece, according to The Guardian:
Greece in panic as it faces change of Homeric proportions
Fear is driving a silent bank run in Greece
“In this crisis, the middle classes have been hollowed out.” That is just what happened in Buenos Aires during its crash last decade.
The result is that people who thought themselves used to one way of life, and in one social class, are getting used to a sharp downgrade.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/01/greece-panic-change?CMP=twt_gu
You beat me to it!
I was just going to say that the GOP wants this country to be in the same position as Italy. I also think that there ar too many Dems in DC that want the same.
The jerk makes absolutely no sense. In fact, he has gotten everything wrong from the day he stepped into office. I am still steaming over his many comments about homeowners and foreclosures. I wish he was thrown into the street with no place to lay his head at night!
The parties are quickly becoming indistinguishable.
Who could have predicted….
Oh wait, everyone.
Tim Geithner is a PIECE OF SHIT!!! His fingerprints are all over the debt ceiling “deal.” That’s not to absolve anyone else from responsibility.
How a man who didn’t pay his own Social Security taxes has the nerve to even mention Social Security is a mystery.
McConnell was on TV last night basically saying this was the new way of doing business and there was much more of it to come. Obama seems to think they will cut him some slack since he gave them what they wanted. Obama was on TV saying the usual, we got the best deal we could get but you just wait – next time no more Mr. Nice Guy. It really would be comical were it not for the fact it will be so utterly devastating. Now Obama wants us to think they will take on the jobs crisis after passing a austerity plan with no room for any new spending. I don’t think he could get a post office renamed after Ronald Reagan if his life depended on it. We are so screwed it is beyond belief.
No confidence in the government = no confidence in the dollar. Confidence is the ONLY thing that gives the dollar any value. If you have any dollars I suggest you trade them for something that will still have value after the dollar goes to zero.
16 TRILLION reasons Geithner is wrong yet again
The economy will be in a tail spin during the 2012 campaign, a tail spin of Barack Obama’s own making. His final evil right-wing act is to take a dive on the 2012 presidential election as well. This man is a serial loser.
One advantage of Italy, however, is they eat and dress far better than Americans.
Obama wanted this. Far too few people consider the impact of what the IMF and G20 are doing as they don’t think they impact our economic policies here. Nobody should be surprised that Obama went all austerity on us as he’s merely fullfiling his G20 Austerity Pledge:
http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/markets-hub-austerity-message-from-g20/F17AAD47-7509-496C-B381-584E3B7AF9AB#!F17AAD47-7509-496C-B381-584E3B7AF9AB
What happened is that basically Obama got what Obama wanted. I see on DKos an effort to paint this as Republican-only economic policy, but that is totally false and in fact sets us up for on-going anti-stimulus economics.
The only way now to stop this hostage taking sort of legislating is for the people to put a stop to it.
Obama was the worst President since Hoover but his latest fail puts him the league of James Buchanan.
Geithner was Robert Rubin’s choice for Secretary of Treasury.
that is the end game…sell off govt asests to Wall st and overseas investors…we can fight off invaders but to be sold out by our own pols…btw nice of Larry Summers to be honest now but what the hell were YOU doing in early 09 crafting these policies? As long as your buddies are making money to hell with the rest of us, right Larry?
Ha! Yes they do! They are better educated as well!
One Party, two wings. A radical right wing and a right of center wing.
Anyone who even holds on to a shred of hope for changing things with these politicians is fooling themselves.
We have our current round of villains, and they were smarter enough to “force” through a bill that indemnifies all but 12 of them against the blame for these cuts going forward. Remember, the voting electorate at large has a short memory. Blame it on the 12 that aren’t up for reelection next year, and replace those 12 after the next election cycle with 12 more who aren’t up for reelection in 2014, on and on, ad infinitum.
Obama can stay or go next year. It doesn’t matter. The beatings will continue until all of the money is milked from our bank accounts or controlled directly by Wall Street and the Corporations they love.
We need to take our country back. We know how to do it. They did it to a certain extent in the ’60s. Some of you were a part of it. We have to organize, we have to protest, we have to occupy, and we have to not give up until these fuckers go away. The blueprint is there, and now we have the internet to help. Wisconsin showed us the way forward. Now we have to take their plans and emulate them on a national scale.
I’m going to start visiting local democratic party meetings. See if I can turn up some allies. I’ll go from there.
Italian catfood is so much better than domestic brands /s
Exactly! Remember, McConnell offered Obama a “clean” increase in the debt ceiling, and he turned it down. The GOP did not force this on him. This is exactly his doing.
Several years ago while visiting relative I had a conversation with some young Italians, college age. They were far more sophisticated and informed than their counterparts in the U.S..
Maybe the elderly and sick can be bundled and auctioned off or sold as a junk bond overseas.
The fact that we need to remind people of that means this battle is already lost. The Republicans will be the scapegoats here for the majority, and that’s okay with the Republicans. They only want to appeal to a minority, and their minority wants austerity. It’s a win-win.
and included in “taking back the country” will be a redistribution of wealth, trials to hold the current PTB accountable for their crimes and malfeasance, and a new political system that is responsive to the needs of a majority of the people, not just a well connected and obscenely rich few and their ignorant minions.
Don’t give them any ideas.
Moodys and S&P will give them Triple A credit ratings if BofA and Chase ask them to…
Greece is nice this time of year…
That Super 12 Congress is Treasonous!
Our government should be shut down immediately. There is no representation of the people. When they play these sly games they should all be kicked to the curb.
I like to picture a Parliment-style government, with more adequate representation for the individuals. The number of people that some representatives cover is insanely high.
I’d also like to see an elimination of the Electoral College. That shit is antiquated and no longer necessary.
And yes. Thousands of trials for the criminals on Wall Street, the criminals in corporate America, the politicians who have sold us down-river to ANY bidder. I’d love to see John Boehner on a fucking chain gang, helping to rebuild our infrastructure.
Come on Granny…it’s just a cruise…Granny, no I don’t know why you have to leave your suitcase at the dock…it’s just like camp.
Why not! They are already betting on the weather. I’ll try to find the link for ya. Snow and Rain, I believe.
The Affordable Care Act was fucking treasonous. We’re well beyond treason as defined by the Constitution.
Republicans will stop at nothing including treason to gain the reigns of power. They must be treated and exposed for the treasonous bastards that they are. Obama legitimizes their treason by seeing them as nothing more than the “loyal opposition.” In that he is complicit in treason.
http://conspireality.tv/2008/12/05/lbj-tapes-contain-unexploded-bombshells-lies-treason-and-perhaps-tens-of-thousands-of-lives-lost/
Compromise and Bipartisan.
Spit.
A parliamentary form of government is far more responsive to the will of the people and getting money out of politics is a necessity but that will never happen with the “gang” currently in Congress, the WH and the SC.
I agree. That’s why they need to go. They’re failing to uphold their sworn oaths of office and they’re violating the document that dictates the laws by which they must abide.
I’ll never forget Jim Lehrer’s interview with Geithner on the News Hour a couple years ago. He justified the massive bailout of AIG, G/S, Citi, et al under TARP by saying it was all done for the people. Everything we do with Wall Street is because we’re thinking only of Main Street, he said. Gag,…puke. Lehrer, of course, just smiled at him conspiratorially and offered absolutely no challenge, no alternative viewpoint, no response.
Geithner is a slimeball tool of the corporate/banking oligarchy. A slavering puppy peeing all over the floor, then looking up with those big eyes to say, “Aren’t I cute?” Why anyone would even try to listen to his incoherent babbling is beyond comprehension, until one considers the complete lameness and flaccidity of our pathetic media.
Meanwhile, the stock market fell off a cliff yesterday, demonstrating international wonderment at the awesomeness of the debt ceiling deal. With Geithner’s complete support, Obama made his bet on the confidence fairies to stave off the invisible bond vigilantes. Surprise, Barry, the real economy actually does mean something. If you had been paying attention in Econ 101…
Traitors and morons. What a team.
Who is this Larry Summers guy? This can’t be the same guy who actually advised the White House recently. Tune seems to have changed. Is he going to run for office as a progressive? Obama has put another nail in the democratic coffin. It is bad enough that he capitulates so predictably, but then he go on national teevee and tells everyone what a good deal it is. Those speeches will be very popular around election time when the Rethugs are using the horrible economy as a cudgel and trotting out Obama’s praise for policies that the Rethugs will say were his ideas — hard to argue with that.
We are f*cked. The upper 2% has forced austerity onto the rest of us. The T-GOPers believe that’s just f*ckin’ fantastic. Most citizens are clueless & going huh?? And the 10% or so of progressives who actually get what’s going on have to endure this crap along with the clueless and the happy fools.
Ugh. The only way out of here is to toss all the bums out.
There is NO difference between the so-called “two parties.” They are merely two branches of the Corporate party, which serves only the mega-rich and their poodles in Congress & the White House.
The right v. left paradigm *ended* in 2000 when the Bush Crime Syndicate was installed in the White House by the SCOTUS.
Obama subscribes to the same belief as the gopers: American workers make too much money so American companies wont hire them till those wages go way down. And so the economy IS structurally screwed and won’t be coming back any time soon. (Japan, lost decade?) And so austerity is the logical way to operate if your aim is to protect the assets of those who own the country and the government. Very simple, really: capital matters, people don’t.
If you look at Obama’s actions with this in mind, he makes perfect sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcwEs-jL8Y
He’s a tool and he’s a Republican…or an opportunist…or an imposter…or all of the above.
http://moneymorning.com/2010/08/23/cold-weather-investing/
Okay, that link is to the more common weather type investing. I can’t seem to find the article about rain and snow at the moment. I saw it, I swear I did!
I would like to see Timmeh Geithner, Larry Summers, Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon all loaded onto a rocket to be flown into deep, deep, deep space. They could spend eternity discussin their own brilliance, and we’d be rid of them.
When a political system becomes so dysfunctional, corrupted and merely serves the interests of a rich elite at the expense of the vast majority of the citizenry the only conclusion is that political system has lost it’s legitimacy to govern the people. It’s incumbent that the people now reclaim their right of self governance using all the peaceful means at their disposal. When the power of the state is once again in the hands of the people those responsible for the subversion of democracy will have to held accountable, as punishment and as a warning to any future despots and traitors.
Excellent Idea!
They are so brilliant I’m sure they could find another economy in deep space to wreck.
There is a bigger cast of characters that what we see involved in this betrayal but you certainly have to add Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker John Boehner, and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (August 2, 2011) to go with as they were key facilitators in this hit-and-run.
This Peasant loves your speech. It is the best tool to combat, “Let them eat Cake”!
Seconded.
There is no compromising with evil. I am afraid most of both the parties are evil.
Screw working with them. They need to be marginalized and worked AGAINST.
This needs to be all out war.
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I was thinking of the politicians as being owned by the corporations and the filthy rich. Hell, they ARE the corporations and the filthy rich. There are just two levels of society now: Us and Them.
Great!
Very dangerous implications for SS in the future? You bet. And I bet that’s the reason for the policy. These critters know it won’t stimulate the economy as well as we do.
I totally agree. I used to think that this kind of talk was just conspiracy theory, tinfoil-hattedness or naiviety. No longer.
Each one of us is today’s Thomas Paine. We are all Paul Revere. We are all Washington and Jefferson. We are all Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King. It’s our responsibility as lovers of freedom, believers in justice and equity to build a movement that harnesses and directs the frustrations and righteous indignation of an oppressed and exploited people that ultimately has the power to sweep out the thieves and scoundrels that have corrupted and brought down a once great nation. A call to action is required and each one of us must rise to the occasion if that greatness is ever to be restored for all the people and not just for a select few.
Also too: I’ve begun to think that what this Administration has in mind is a complete restructuring of our political economy. We are transitioning away from a middle class, consumer based economy to a new system, the nature of which will be revealed to us some time in the future.
O, Timmeh, et al, are will aware that they are transferring middle class wealth to the rich and thereby crippling the middle class. They know it. They know the ‘economy’ as we have known it since the end of WW II is on its way out. They just don’t want to tell us what’s next.
IP Law360, a newswire for intellectual-property lawyers, says the number of patent-related lawsuits rose 6% last year. Post the 1998 Courts ordering the Patent office to grant patents for the obvious when the obvious is in a piece of software, the patent trolls have been back filing obvious patents – and collecting because legal fees exceed any settlement. The first to file will not cure this
So the patent trolls do not oppose
The Leahy-Smith America Invents Act, H.R. 1249, passed by a 304-117 vote, and the vote in March in the Senate was 95-5 vote for S.23 – and neither reversed the stupid 1998 court decision to grant software patents on the obvious.
(I may have the 1998 date incorrect – it was between 97 and 99 – but memory fails)
“Geithner was Robert Rubin’s choice for Secretary of Treasury.”
Could you expand on this, wigwam? (I need educating). Last night on Charlie Rose there was a fuzzy wuzzy Rubin, who had many points I agreed with.
One, the important thing is confidence. (As per this diary comments on the ratings folk.)
Two, the Bush tax cut for the wealthy ought to expire as that cannot be considered a ‘tax hike’.
And Three, social programs are tremendously important and should be strengthened. (See One).
I found much to like in this Robert Rubin, who reminded Charlie strongly that when Clinton raised taxes the economy did not go into a nose dive but actually got better. He also brought up future stimulus, wasn’t as strong on recommending this as the way out as have been other economists but at least he saw it as positive. I don’t think these are points Geithner would be making.
I realize there was a bubble involved in the Clinton economic strategery but I’m also remembering that Clinton came out for the 14th Amendment cut to the chase. Lots not to like in downsizing social programs and NAFTA and the nofly zone in Iraq doing such damage there – all of that, but here we have a still breathing president who did well actually raising taxes.
Rubin seemed to be stepping carefully away from Geitner’s pile of scat. Just my impression of course.
All this attention to the country’s credit rating is something of a mis-direct.
The actual cost of credit is what counts, and that depends on investors’ confidence — not just on the credit rating, which is only one part of those perceptions and confidence.
There was a t-bill auction yesterday, and the interest rates went up:
http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-02/business/29843458_1_3-month-t-bills-treasury-bills-three-month-bills
It is too early to tell if that was from the bad GDP reports, or from the debt crisis and the continuing concern that the GOP will do something else to take the economy hostage, or the market realization that the debt-ceiling deal will cost a lot of jobs and thus weaken the economy further.
At any rate, don’t look only at the credit rating for determining the costs of the GOP economic hostage taking.
BTW, a rise in the short term t-bill rates will not only cost us as tax payers, but those rates form the basis for the rates banks charge both consumers and corporations.
So the increase in the t-bill rates will affect each of us as
1) taxpayers
2) credit interest payers (credit card, mortgage, etc), and
3) consumers paying the increased costs passed on by corporations
Think of this as the Great Republican Tax Increase of 2011 – except the extra taxes go to the Chinese and the banks.
A casino system based on profiting from planet-wrecking (gambling in “carbon credits”), drought (“water futures”), starvation (“food futures”), disease and human death (the last two are definitely de-population for fun and profit) really, really is socio-psychopathic. With the “Super Congress” slammed into place in two weeks, this machine is now in overdrive consuming human society.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/3/economist_dean_baker_predicts_really_bad
Why is it that all these powerful, influential figures seem to have these epiphanies once they no longer hold positions from which they could have been forces for positive change?
… and one wonders if cloud seeding, an activity now occurring in many western U. S. states and that seems to be unregulated by anyone, could be used to up your odds of successful betting here …
Yes, this is a biggie. And black mark to Rubin on Charlie Rose for this one, because he mentioned it favorably.
“Think of this as the Great Republican Tax Increase of 2011 – except the extra taxes go to the Chinese and the banks.”
Think again. I may not understand T-bills and all of that, but I know when I’m being conned. The diary makes a good point that the confidence fairy Tim Geithner (not Republicans) has on his shoulder dispenses confidence like a confidence man – and that it seems to me the Chinese ratings agency got right. We aren’t the only ones in despair at the public display of ineptitude evidenced by BOTH parties and our CinC. The buck stops there, and the world is watching.
Your comments and those of plutonicus @43 sound about right to me. The value of the middle class in the US is becoming less and less important, at least as far as the owning class is concerned. A middle class makes sense in an empire whose economy is based on production. When that empire’s economy evolves to one based on finance, the utility of the middle class declines.
Geithner, Summers, Orszag and a whole raft of other are Geithner protoges. In fact, He has vast network of disciples, known as Rubinites. His neoliberal policies paved the way for the unregulated games with derivatives which led to the 2007 meltdown. Among, other things he and Summers got rid of Brooksley Born when she preciently warn against degregulation.
In April 2006, Rubin and Orszag founded the Hamilton Project. The keynote speaker at the opening was Senator Barack Obama. Rubin headed up the economics side of Obama’s campaign and transition team. The Hamilton Project was essentially a government-in-waiting and essentially shut down as they all moved to the White House.
Orszag is a particularly close protoge of Rubin. If you look at the Muckety Map for Rubin, his list of closest personal associates consists of his family plus Orszag. The ideas and policies recommended by the Catfood Commission were directly out of a paper by Oszag and Peter Diamond.
If you look at Rubin’s Muckety Map, you’ll see that he has his fingers in almost everything involving Wall Street and/or the economic policy side of Washington.
Among other things he sits on the board of directors of one of Pete Petersons foundations. IIRC, it’s the Concord Foundation.
He is more liberal than Peterson, but he is definitely one of the oligarchs and through his Rubinites in the Obama administration has been an architect of Obama’s economic policies.
Good point.
This is right out of Naomi’s book.
That comment by Geithner is would be unbelievable from someone with an undergraduate degree in economics, much less a graduate degree. It is right out of the early 1930s. I don’t know who to blame? What happened to basic economic education at the graduate level? I recall a friend of mine who was then Chair of the Econ Department at Stanford telling me sometime in the late 80s or early 90s of an attempt to eliminate macroeconomics from the graduate curriculum on the grounds that it didn’t provide anything they needed to know.
Very grateful, wigwam, thanks. I’d forgotten about Brooksley Borne. Gee, whiz, yes, derivatives. Sorry for being such a patsy. I guess I was hoping for a schism in the ranks.
Yes!
We have a winner!
The payroll tax holiday is good economic policy and horrible political policy. To some extent, the same can be said for extending the Bush tax cuts. Here are Mark Zandi’s multipliers:
As you can see the payroll tax decrease is almost as good as social safety net spending in terms of economic stimulation — it puts the money into the hands of the people who’l spend it. Not so for the Bush tax cuts.
I suspect partly because institutional dynamics tend to throw trump against individual efforts. Also, in hierarchical institutions their is a self-preserving motivation that transfers responsibility up the chain of command and blame downward. These forces often conspire to relieve the individual of effective responsibility, action and thought.
Or more simply, pointing out the flaws in an institution (thus implicating everyone), even in an effort to improve operations, typically results in the agent of change or criticism losing their job. Change sometimes ensues from an individual sharing an epiphany or rocking the boat, but it often means that individual must make a decision to put their job or career on the line. Very few are willing to do this, especially in a cultural climate that places less and less value on the public good.
A relevant article:
http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/167336-john-ralston-saul-comments-economic-crisis.html
It puts money into the hands of people who will spend it, so that’s a good thing for the economy. But the point is it is only a good thing in the same way that ‘shop till you drop’ is a good thing. Ultimately, you do drop. Then, instead of taking care of yourself to a certain extent, you end up being a – pardon the expression – drone. Which may cost the economy considerably more in the long run than your lateseason relative independence would do. Not to mention that third world aspect of folk in bread lines looking tacky.
Robert Scheer has a good reprise article over at commondreams.org which puts in perspective the Clinton era links:
“…That same opportunistic reasoning got us into the Great Recession, thanks to President Clinton joining with congressional Republicans to destroy the sensible controls on Wall Street greed that FDR had put in place in order to prevent a repeat of the Depression. That was also the rationale of the Clinton alums that Obama appointed to clean up the mess they themselves had created. Instead of worrying about jobless workers and swindled homeowners, they bailed out the swindlers, following the example set by George W. Bush…”
“Opportunistic reasoning.” Case in point?
From John Ralston Saul’s “The Unconscious Civilization”:
“[O]ur élite is primarily and increasingly managerial. A managerial élite manages. A crisis, unfortunately, requires thought. Thought is not a management function.” [snip] Because the managerial élites are now so large and have such a dominant effect on our educational system, we are actually teaching most people to manage, not to think. Not only do we not reward thought, we punish it as unprofessional.”
Rubin is the grey presence behind all of Obama’s economics policies. So far as I can tell, he’s a very dangerous fellow.
Our MMT folks also blame the recession of 2000 on his policy of running a surplus, which sounds like a good thing but takes money out of the private sector.
“…President Clinton joining with congressional Republicans to destroy the sensible controls on Wall Street greed that FDR had put in place in order to prevent a repeat of the Depression….”
Although Wigwam did a great job @71 above, you’ve also answered your own question about Rubin @17.
Rubin was a prime mover and architect of the repeal of those controls, joining Greenspan and other Galtian believers in the so-called efficient markets hypothesis. Capitalism unbound. Whoopee!!
Greenspan recanted his religious faith in Randian economics after the crash, but has now recanted his recantation. But Br’er Rubin, he lay low.
Geithner is worse than Obama if that’s possible. He’s nothing more than a lobbyist plant for Wall Street interests. I see him as having the word “weasel” stamped on his forehead everytime he speaks.
Tim Geithner: turn back to the important challenge of trying to find ways to make sure that we do everything we can to get more people back to work, strengthen our growth.
Republican aide: “The public wants to make sure that whatever comes out of this will have a positive impact on the economy and job creation,” says a Republican closely involved in the debt ceiling talks. “The challenge for Republicans is connecting this debate to the economy and job creation.”
John Boehner: Boehner issued a statement that began by bemoaning Obama’s rejection of a “common-sense plan to rein in the debt and deficits that are hurting job creation in America.”
I understand that Obama (and his power structure) could be talking like the reptards simply in the hope that if they get that message out there first people will listen to them and NOT vote reptard next year, but being older than trees, I’m a little more cynical about this; i.e.: are we seeing the closet door swinging wide?
For President Obama I would say: Don’t just speak those ‘purty’ words … ACT ON THEM!
Pwr 2 the peons!