Stocks are down sharply today, as the reality of the global economic predicament begins to dawn on the investor class. But the bond market looks even worse, writes Paul Krugman:
The US 10-year bond rate is now down to 2.5%. So much for those bond vigilantes. What this rate is saying is that markets are pricing in terrible economic performance, quite possibly a double dip. And it also says that Washington’s deficit obsession has been utterly, totally wrong-headed.
Meanwhile, Italy’s spread against German bonds is soaring even further. What are markets pricing in here? Default as a real possibility; maybe even euro breakup. The latter certainly sounds a lot more plausible now than it did a few months ago.
As Krugman writes, European stocks are falling as the chances of default increase, so this is a story about weak economic performance, translating into rising spreads in Europe and falling ones in the US.
The debt crisis in Europe is really appalling, and Silvio Berlusconi’s assurances that “the fundamentals of the economy are strong is not helping matters. Italy and Spain are too big to fail, unlike some of the smaller countries in the Eurozone. But the bailout offered to Greece has given the markets no confidence that the larger countries would be spared from contagion. What’s more, Europe doesn’t have the resources to bail out an Italy. And austerity fever along with being chained to a currency has sapped the ability for these countries to grow out of their problems.
This would be a much bigger problem for the world than a manufactured debt limit crisis. European banks are barely keeping themselves alive.
The European Central Bank is now buying bonds to try and relieve the crisis, but let’s be clear: Europe has been sick for years now, and nothing their elites have done to arrest the crisis has worked. It’s hard to see how a resumption of an old program will do the trick. Especially when the leaders in Europe say pig-ignorant things like this:
Jean-Claude Trichet, the president of the E.C.B., said the bank had acted in response to “renewed tensions in some financial markets in the euro area.”
He said that uncertainty created by the debate in the United States to raise the debt ceiling had unnerved European markets. “It’s clear the entire world is intertwined,” he said. “What happens in the U.S. influences the rest of the world.”
Really, what happens in the US influences the world? How wise!
I won’t discount the probability that Republicans are working hard to sink the economy. But this is bigger than that. All signs point to a weak economy globally for the foreseeable future. Austerity in the midst of this fragility is just damn stupid.





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I’m wondering how many Euro boosters from a decade ago still think the Eurozone has been a succes, or is likely to remain intact with the same boundaries going forward.
David, Great piece. Have you seen this from the ruling class rag?
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/aslund26/English
FDR must have been one of the smartest humans to ever walk the earth! for LOL
Govt. must spend to get their nations out of depressions
I lost $80,000 today in my pension plan. My wife and I have agreed that it is probably not a good night to go out to dinner. We’re staying home and having chicken pot pie instead.
Don’t underestimate the savagery potential of the long-comfy unreflective idiocy that overpopulates this nation should things crash hard.
The resulting repression with be Syrian-esqe and then some.
Group think and reliance on algorithms also create these massive sell offs. Group think and algorithms all based on the notions of the rating agencies. See where the rating agencies positions are, will tell you where money will be going.
To paraphrase Putin: The credit rating agencies and multinational corporate banks are the parasites of the global economy. The austerity measures being forcibly imposed worldwide is the true price of the bank and financial bailouts. Saving the wealth of the already wealthy because they made bad decisions in the very casino operation that they run.
Who could have predicted ?!!
Oh, oh. Barry better take his listening tour global.
ROFLMAO from the BJ link. You know, those folks that consider us firebaggers: (my bold added for emphasis)
LOL!!!
What, you mean if the Republicans win next year we might get further tax cuts, deregulation, and attacks on medicare and social security benefits!!! Really?!?!?!
That’s terribly frightening, considering with huge DEMOCRATIC majorities in all three branches we got further tax cuts (the Bush Tax cuts became the Obama tax cuts passed in the last Congress and actually went further in reductions to the estate taxes), deregulation (ahmm, wasn’t it Obama that had just opened up the Gulf for deep oil drilling…), and attacks on medicare and social security benefits (Catfood Commission I was brought to you by Obama in 2009).
I’d rather be a firebagger than an ignorant asshole.
Happy Birthday, O.
Your friend, Mr. Market
[not quite as much fun as having Marilyn sing to you]
Check out the Jobs Report for July which will be released tomorrow morning. If the report shows an anemic job growth, below expectations, and on a par with May and June, some are suggesting a market drop of 5%. Are we looking at the double-dip recession that was predicted, or worse, the beginning of a depression?
oh Knut, that is horrifying. so very sorry.
Oliver Willis happily tweeted that the market was in even worse shape on Bush’s last day
let’s just say I had our Knut and others like him in mind when I responded
This is a little misleading — but I think I know what you mean. You mean that strong bond purchases and lower interest rates signal “terrible economic performance” — right?
I am glad you brought up the Euro zone troubles as well. People here tend to think too much in boxes. The were are somehow still an island unto our selves and this is not the case and hasn’t been for quite some time.
The markets and banks abroad are in as much trouble as here. BOA and City and JP Morgan/ Chase are all down as well and are still holding worthless paper.
Just the fear of a default from any of Italy, Spain and Greece can cause all the equities to take a nose dive. Making an actual default rather anti-climactic.
“Stocks are down sharply today, as the reality of the global economic predicament begins to dawn on the investor class.”
“Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.” –Gen. “Buck” Turgidson
Couldn’t help but notice. Sorry Knut. I don’t know you but that upsets me too.
Working hard to lower asset prices for the big blow out fire sale for all those sitting on trillions of untaxed “earnings”.
Europe went on this austerity kick a year ago. Like us they needed more stimulus. The other problem is that the Euro links them together. Seemed like a good idea 10 years ago, doesn’t look so good now.
Same thing happened under Hoover. I don’t see how reducing debt will stimulate demand. This is a demand problem. I just heard some MORON on MSNBC say we have to reduce tax rates and regulations and somehow business will invest. The only thing I see this different from the Great Depression this time is the FED is pumping money into the economy, but there is only so much they can do.
Obama won’t do it, but we need a massive infrastructure program. If you remember Krugman was calling for a much greater stimulus program 2 years ago. He was right. Those geniuses, Geithner and Summers, argued against greater stimulus and threw in tax cuts to boot. Unless all of this turns around pretty soon, Obama will be a 1 term President and will be in the class of Hoover and Dubya.
This gets worse. Geithner is staying till the end of Obama’s 1st (probably last) term in office. His ass should have been shown the door awhile ago. Maybe, there keeping him on to do another bank bailout. He does knows how to bail out his buddies on Wall Street.
Also, a lot of the money going out of the Fed back window winds up in very shaky Euro banks.
Yeah, but he’s pivoting to jobs. /s
As others have observed: At last — the markets are behaving rationally.
Knut, I am sorry to hear of this. :-(
Yep. Very shaky.
Headline at Market Watch
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/todays-best-headline.html
lol
I am sure I have entered the twilight zone.
From the HP lead article:
For the last month, I have heard everyone in government say we needed a deficit reduction deal to restore confidence in the business community. Outside of government, many voices were saying that now was not the time to cut spending, it might cause a recession.
And now the investors and MOTU we were trying to appease can’t buy enough of those gummint bonds as they bail on the stock market because they fear we are headed for a recession.
I am in the twilight zone, or maybe its bizarro world.
Obamaville
I thought the Debt deal using Obama/GOP logic would help world markets get stable:) I did not think it would all go to crap this soon.
But–but–Sarah Palin!
When events happen fast its a crisis everyone is paying attention everyone reacts instantly. I guess the Investors Obama and the GOP claim to represent don’t think much of their deal.
“August 3 2011: The Next Bank Bailout Bloodbath is Here” (The Automatic Earth, August 3, 2011)
Really, folks, it’s *time* to stop the machine.
“Chris Hedges: Why I Will Be There” (video, 3:36 minutes)
Funny thing about the money boys; they don’t give a fig for sentiment or bullshit. They’re only interested in results.
And when Obama lays down like a cur dog with the republicans who think they can saw the lifeboat in half, where steerage joins first class, and have the markets singing “hosannah” because of it, they insist on a little reality, thank you.
Put it this way: the price-point for fucking over poor and working-class americans was reached a while back. Going for even more of “the rich get richer” as a stimulus, has it’s limits…even for Wall Street.
By some accounts now Summers, at least, recommended higher stimulus. In any case it’s clear from this that Barack Obama knew exactly what economists were recommending, it was him, and his team of 11-dimensional political advisers who chose the too-small stimulus figure, because of all that practical “realism” their Brodersque defenders like to brag about.
Well, things are getting real now, that’s for sure.
haha, good for you!
And to Knut I’m sorry as well. FWIW, you’re not alone. I know that doesn’t make 80 g’s disappearing in one day feel any better though.
But there are an awful lot of folks staying in for dinner tonight.
There is a disturbing large contingent of idiotic nihilists among the Teabaggers who actually want a total economic crash.
They may soon get their way.
I guess its only a matter of time before we have to bailout the banks again.
Thanks,
It’s not as bad as it seems, and it has happened several times before (although it gets worse when you are actually in retirement, as I am).
What goes down sometimes goes back up. By most folks’ standards we are well off, and have a lot of fat that can be cut before we reach the bone. Most people have so little in their IRA’s that much smaller losses could wipe them out or force them onto the streets. I grew up in a poor family. If we had to go back even half way from where we are, I’d still be ten times better off than when I was growing up. That’s how I see it.
How about the Fat Lady singing for him? It’s about time.
“don’t think much of their deal.”
Their have to be some soiled underwear in the White House tonight, not to mention, the DLC.
This is horrible news…for the trickle-downers.
Agreed they see a crash as a Shock Doctrine event and plan to make America go Nazi just like Germany did under Hitler during the Great Depression.
However most voters want jobs more than they want the rich to have tax cuts.
That fact messes up their plan.:)
I’m setting up a table on the village green selling cat food. With a little truffle oil, washed down with champagne it’s really quite palatable.
I think that watching a U.S. president act like an unprincipled paramecium is too scary, even for Wall Street.
Yes. I’m sure they are saying to each other, where is this Plan B you were talking about? They never had one. The Dems are as dead as the Thugs on this one.
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was spinning today that the deficit deal was a great deal and a win for the Democrats. On the same day Nancy Pelosi said that in the “Super Congress” all “entitlements” will be on the table. This is working out quite well for the oligarchs.
Yep they are all in I bet in the market and probably leveraged too boot plus we know their political contributers are all in and leveraged too.
There is a reason why financial reform was never done too many rich people bought politicians and killed it.
Now they will get what they deserve.
The only thing that saved the U.S. from revolution in 1932 was FDR. The only thing saving the U.S. today is……………well no one I guess.
Don’t know your situation, but unless you have to cash out, it’s not really lost.
Also, I get over it by considering those years when the funds were increasing 15% to 20% per year. In that case, we’re only losing what was given to us by the good times.
Now if you can figure out when to jump in and when to jump out, that’s the trick.
Hey, it’s an accurate headline!
The Fascist takeover in Germany was a little more complicated than most people think. The NASDAP actually lost votes in the election that ultimately brought Hitler to power. He believed he was going to be in the wilderness, but the fear of ‘socialists’ and the belief that Hitler was just a rube they could handle led the PTB of the time to get Hindenberg to select him as Chancellor. We all know how that worked out.
We don’t have the same structural conditions here for a Nazi-like takeover. It will be more like the South after Reconstruction, with restricted voting rights and various legal disabilities imposed on various types of people. Once they get the system in place, they will probably cut back on foreign adventurism, since it doesn’t pay anymore (except maybe invading Canada).
Once the actual system is in place, they won’t even need a Theocracy.
Thanks to leverage investors who use it can owe many times what they have the collateral to pay for. If the big Banks start failing then loans start being called in Congress I bet never thought tightening bankruptcy laws before the banking crisis could bite them in the ass:)
Oh, that’s easy.
Jump in when prices are at their lowest, and jump out when they’re at their highest.
Geesh, this financial advisor stuff is easy… *g*
My sentiments exactly. You never cash out at once anyway. It’s just that what you lose in the first years when you are drawing down your pool you can never make up in later good years. That’s the way the arithmetic works. It is going to be very tough for ordinary people. We’re in the top 2 percent, and can handle a pretty big hit before we have to go back to eating beans (which would probably be good for me nutritionally).
There will be differences sure but they need a Shock Doctrine event to get the kind of big evil change they want.
No matter what the difference between America and Germany the Right always plans evil.
One day history will show how investment bankers have become the puppet masters of nations and have unnecessarily prolonged global suffering. Through effective propagandist like Rupert Murdoch, they have the global masses still believing in the sovereignty of traditional nation-states while the investor corporate class thinks in market share where geo-political boundaries are only factors when considering the amount of risk to be taken.
Here’s your $1.2 billion dollar salary and bonuses.
http://www.laprogressive.com/progressive-issues/progressive-caucus/?utm_source=LAProgressiveNewsletter&utm_campaign=f3ce400c90-LAP_News_19_July_2011_Live7_18_2011&utm_medium=email
Ca progressive Dems plan to primary him.
You know, now that I think about it, I could’ve sworn there was some, I dunno, supposedly smart fellow a long time ago, that warned us about banks and bankers….
Wrote some pretty important stuff back in the day too, IIRC.
Everybody CALM DOWN!
Rickj Perry’s “pray in” down here in Houston on Saturday will fix everything. This is all gonna be OK.
Hang on, I’ve got Reliant Stadium on the other line…..Carlos, how many good Chritian sould are gonne be ther Saturday to pray for guidanc and pray for the United States? …..What……..how many???????….. That’s confirmed????…….Yeah………. 2 thousand three hundred, sixteen. No. I thought thas WAS wrong….Three hundred and fourteen. As of right now.
Are you selling beer? That might help.
What!?!?!?!
Dammit I heard rumors our bonuses were gonna get cut this year. Damned shared sacrifices…..
I dunno how I’m gonna make up that $25.32 cut. I’ll have you know I’m mad as hell and am
purchasingcalling my congressman right now!2, 312?????????????????
Carlos, you’re going the wrong way.
I guess Wall Street shouldn’t have primed the pumps to get so many teabaggers elected. Weren’t they even paying attention to what they were saying or were they just writing checks to people with an R beside their names? Dumbasses.
Is it going to crap on purpose, according to someone’s plan? Again, who benefits $? How?
You mean the one with over 62,000 tickets left unsold?
((Knut)) Do you have some time to ride this out before having to draw from it?
Not so much “not sold” Margaret, because they are FREE.
We traditionally have a late arriving prayer vigil down her anyway.
Boy, all this really BAD news and stock market plunges on Obamna’s birthday.
..
That’s gotta be a little disturbing……for him and Michelle….and the kids…..and maybe the cabinet……..and Biden…….and maybe the 280 million who are living here.
If this should knock some sense into someone – just who, I haven’t any idea – and by the grace of His Noodly Appendage Obama – or someone – just who, I haven’t any idea- gets us into an FDR type stimulus, would it help the markets, or have things spun way too far out of control?
Look at it this way. If the market drops another 500-700 points tomorrow……we shouldn’t have any problem filing the place up.
Problem is, Justin Bieber apparently cancelled and they replaced him with an AC/DC tribute band.
Just read this on facebook –
Ala “Top Gun”, I think this is the financial equivalent of an unrecoverable “flat spin”. I hope YOU’RE “Goose”. not ME.
That’s a TRUE story.
Never saw Top Gun, but “unrecoverable flat spin” is nothing I want to hear the pilot ever say……
The first person I hear saying this is a “correction” gets it.
I ended up having to cash out with about a 40% loss because of health problems. Overall my personal pension fund didn’t make anything in the 15years or so prior to cashing in. That seems to be the experience of most of the people in my predicament. That is really what can be expected long term if everything becomes privatized. The market doesn’t want to help you build money. It wants your money. It may grow but then it falls and they profit on those who come to need their money.
*G*
Wow. You NEVER saw Top Gun???
Then let me clue you in. Goose (Anthony Edwards) gets killed ejecting from the plane. Tom Cruse lives and get to have sex with his wodow, Meg Ryan. But they edited that part out of the movie.
“And if you screw up just this much, you’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!”
I have been a bit lazy on the economic side of current events. I understand the logic behind Keynesian policies, but I just can’t figure out the reasoning behind austerity. I’m missing something. Austerity must translate into the wealthy enriching themselves somehow, but I don’t see how. Can someone enlighten me? Why adopt austerity measures? I have a hard time believing the real ownership society of the country are pushing austerity simply because they’re idiots. There must be some kind of payoff for them.
TS, I have never worked at any one job for more than about 5 years because of my husband’s job taking us to several states and Canada, so I had several small 401Ks.
I don’t know why I did this, but I had an investment advisor at Morgan Keegan consolidate them into a few funds, and it has been a horrible experience. I think we lost more due to market flux during the transfers, fees on the sales, management fees on the funds, and just plain old share price decline.
Everything else, I’m just going to keep in CDs even though they pay worse than crap.
I almost forgot! Then we found out Morgan Keegan was having to pay some huge multimillion dollar fine for defrauding its investors!
No wonder both these lousy Wall Street kissing parties want deregulation. They make out like proverbial bandits already, I can’t imagine what they would do, left to their own devices.
Happy Birthday Barry-from your friends, Mitch & Boner.
It’s not just the Euro markets, it’s no confidence in the weak deficit reduction despite the social safety cuts. And when people go to weak bonds, that’s flight to any kind of safety: Katie bar the door, if you will. Beck’s probably cleaning up on gold, too. No FDR/Keynesian bailout now-the bill Obama signed effectively cuts that option out, especially after the “unrecoverable flat spin/suicide dive the Republicans carefully crafted. Maria Bartaromo’s another NBC idiot: it’s not uncertainty about regulation; the markets would love to see some solid ground right now, but Euro/American/Japanese austerity stupidity won’t bring it. Watch for all the pundits to celebrate a dead-cat bounce tomorrow.
It’s a bit conspiritorial, but there’s this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/exclusive-excerpt-america-on-sale-from-matt-taibbis-griftopia-20101018
America for sale for pennies on the dollar.
Thanks, I need that :)
Umm, I’m from Houstopolis and have lived in Texas my whole life, minus service time.
The jailhouse door, yes?
Yeah. Can’t happen the way it was portrayed in the flick. And yes, I am an expert on the F-14A aircraft. In point of fact, I’m an expert on that particular bird as it transferred to my unit after they bent the box beam filming that scene.
Also the fact that no revenue means no jobs.
This economy’s more like a spruce goose anyway.
No one at the helm…
Scary times.
Dunno. The Spruce Goose actually flew….
Which is also stupid. If you get an F-14 into a flat spin, all you have to do is sweep the wings back. Might be tough to pull the wingsweep breaker in a spin but if you can do that and sweep the wings back to 60°, you can totally recover it.
EDIT: Not saying you’re stupid but that movie sure as hell was. :)
“Chris Hedges: Why I Will Be There” (video, 3:36 minutes)
http://bit.ly/qIPCks
Excellent video; thanks for posting it. I forwarded it my political e-mail list and encourage others to do likewise.
Classy statement, Knut.
Thanks for the link. I think Taibbi makes some good points. My own suspicion is simply that wealthy elites want to slash social spending so the money that used go into, say, Medicare can now be directed into corporate welfare, privatized prisons, defense spending, mercenary armies, and whatever other scheme they can come up with to get in on another lucrative government contract.
There will be no revolution in America, more’s the pity. I don’t advocate violence at all, but a general strike would be a good thing.
I simply do not see US citizens being able to get over their “hatred” of each other long enough to join forces and oppose what the upper 2% have wrought upon us. Tribal authoritarianism runs very very deep in our nation, and citizens seem unable to release their grasp on their “Team” identity.
Robert Reich: Could be like 1937.
Ouch
http://www.bgladd.com/HooBamaVille.jpg
Obama during the State of the Union: ‘Two years after worst recesion most of us have ever known, stock market has come roaring back’
“…stock market has come roaring back.”
Right! After all of his sucking up to these corporate shits (“I can’t criticize big business; it might make the markets nervous…”) they’re eating his presidency, or, what’s left of it.
If we put this guy to the voters as our candidate in 2012, it’ll be like we’re offering them the skeleton of a cartoon fish: nothing but bones and a couple of x’s for the eyes.
Gee, I wonder how americans will react?
Hey, I’ve got an idea. Repeal the Bush era tax cuts. Right now. Instant Tax Reform. Additional money flooding into the U.S. Treasury. And then turn right around and use this surplus to fund infrastructure projects, maybe even another Cash-for-Clunkers program, creating jobs, stimulating cash flow, increasing the amount of money consumers have available, boosting business activity, stimulating hiring, shrinking unemployment levels.
Oh, wait, this could have started on Jan. 1 of this year, just by letting the Bush era tax cuts expire as scheduled at the end of last year. Somebody extended them though. Someone didn’t want to see additional revenue flooding into the nation’s coffers. Someone wanted to see the artificial “debt-ceiling” reached sooner, rather than later, triggering an artificial “debt crisis” coupled with calls to slash government spending, destroy government programs, lay off government workers and to establish the second incarnation of the Catfood Commission called the Super Congress, nicknamed the Deficit Commission, when we could have had a Surplus Commission if only the Bush era tax cuts had been allowed to expire as scheduled last year. Hmmm, I wonder who did this?
Obama needs to kill the dollar-have Gietner print dollars for another QE, start talking major trash about enforcing trade laws ect. Republicans run the joint so spending money is out- Obama has to find another way.