Cleaning house? What a coincidence that it might be seals involved in OBL. Eye witnesses at the time reported that a chopper went down at the compound and their were lots of casualties and bodies were removed. Who knows the truth, but I would question anything coming from the govt they do not work for us

People die in war.

This makes me want to storm the WH all by myself. When will this madness end? I sent an angry e-mail to the prez as soon as I read this earlier this morning. It won’t do any good but at least I’m on record as being angry – which hardly covers how I really feel. Condolences to all the families who share this loss – it is the country’s loss as well.

Maimed, too. We were in northern Vermont this morning to do some hiking, but had to turn back because the car got a flat. At the garage I met a very pleasant talkative woman who also had a flat. She was on her way to a barbecue for her son at a local lake. Son just returned from Afghanistan. He was on his fourth tour. Stepped on an IED, and his foot is shattered. Going down to Fort Bragg in a week for the operation, as the bones and cartileges are still just floating around in there and they can`t do anything yet. Had a hard time holding back tears.

Heckuvajob, Barry

uhm,FDR was VERY ANXIOUS for the end of WW2,same with Churchill,Emp. of Japan,any thinking feeling human being
today we have Monsters,and money hungry corporations wanting ENDLESS money making wars
when will the citizens say enuf,and mean it?

WW 2……… 5 years
quagmire Iraq 9 yrs
Afghanis…10 years and counting

Thank you, Mr War President.

While Social Security is Under Attack, Billions are Lost in Afghanistan
Submitted by Robert Oak on Wed, 07/20/2011 – 15:23
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This is just an amazing insult to the U.S. middle class and tax payer. While our social security is being decimated under the Congressional and Administration made debt ceiling crisis, a new report shows the United States is losing billions in Afghanistan. Literally the money disappears.

The Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction released an audit that shows, literally, our U.S. tax dollars are disappearing and probably into the hands of those who are trying to kill us.

efforts to safeguard U.S. cash entering the Afghan economy and to develop the Afghan financial sector have been hampered by limited interagency coordination, inconsistent Afghan cooperation and insufficient cash controls.

SIGAR found that U.S. agencies have limited visibility over U.S. cash that enters the Afghan economy — leaving it vulnerable to fraud and diversion to the insurgency. SIGAR also found that poor cooperation by the Afghan government has impeded U.S. efforts to help develop the Afghan financial sector.

“The United States has poured billions of aid dollars into a country plagued by corruption, insurgency and the narcotics trade. It is essential that we use all available tools to ensure that U.S. dollars are protected from fraud and diversion to the insurgency. We must also ensure that the Afghan government is a full partner in efforts to set a fledgling financial sector on sound footing,”said Herbert Richardson, acting Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

How much money is at risk? The press release quotes over $70 billion in U.S. taxpayer funds have been funneled to Afghanistan for security and other purposes since 2002. So, the amount is some percentage of these funds.

but,but,but…he won the peace prize…..prez0

The Third-World Wars take awhile. Damn farmers and taxi drivers keep fighting back.

Panetta: Don’t Cut Defence. (Eat Catfood Instead)by Montreal Progressive .

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in his own words:

We’re already taking our share of the discretionary cuts as part of this debt-ceiling agreement, and those are going to be tough enough
Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon Thursday.

I think anything beyond that would damage our national defense.
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He said savings need to come from entitlement programs and from higher taxes — not further defense cuts. In effect, that puts the six Democrats who will soon be appointed to the committee on notice: don’t screw around with this.

we havent had peace since i am alive
there is no money for the BIG playah s in peace

Do you all remember this classic scene from Good Will Hunting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rQNdBmPek&NR=1

forgot about it
i would love if Damon primaried prez0

poor innocent doggie………sigh

SIGAR found that U.S. agencies have limited visibility over U.S. cash that enters the Afghan economy — leaving it vulnerable to fraud and diversion to the insurgency.

Oh but wait!! Just yesterday I saw a rightwing email *diatribing* about USA “poor people” getting cell phones through some govt program. RIP OFF! I’m ripped off by poor brown people in the USA!!!

The situation in Afghanistan has been ongoing for almost 10 years, and like Iraq, there have literally been pallets of Yankee Dollar$$$ shipped over that conveniently “get lost.” But most USA citizens are blissfully *ignorant* about the massive graft & corruption involved in War, Inc, and how very very ripped off US taxpayers are … not to mention, of course, all of the rest of the collateral damage.

What’s the definition of insanity, again??

And now for a sidebar about money & War, Inc:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/rob-dickerson-purple-heart-c-o-d_n_919379.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C84194

Rob Dickerson had to chase down his Purple Heart and then was charged $21 shipping fees to get it. “Support the Troops.”

WTF are so many ‘elite’ troops doing all in one vulnerable place at the same time. Haven’t they ever heard of the concept of parents of young children never flying on the same plane? Shit for brains. But then, we knew that already.

Too bad they don’t give out chemistry prizes for people who might possibly do some kind of work in the far distant future that might be somewhat related to chemistry.

For their many reasons, by choice or manipulation they give themselves up to be honed and refined for one purpose — to brutally kill. They are made in USA Kitsch. Like the Inca’s we bestow the highest honor on these young folks by cutting out their hearts.

No let’s not celebrate but mourn the loss of what might have been. I cannot glorify them for their missions. It only makes it easier for the village elders to seduce them.

I am reminded of something someone close and dear to me wrote recently

“So many people view the world as a football game, and “we’re number one”, “God is on our side” and all the players for our side are heroes (the most overused word in the past 15 years). Like any other group in our society, our military contains beautiful, generous and self-sacrificing people as well as thieves, cowards, fools and even traitors. But we don’t have the stomach for looking at reality, and we severely punish those who point it out to us. We reward those who tell us comforting things about ourselves and don’t require any sacrifice from us. It brings to mind the following quote

To experience kitsch, the novelist Milan Kundera has written, is “to gaze into the mirror of the beautifying lie and be moved to tears of gratification at one’s own reflection.”

I grieve for the dog who might have been named Cairo.

Shortly after eleven o’clock on the night of May 1st, two MH-60 Black Hawk helicopters lifted off from Jalalabad Air Field, in eastern Afghanistan, and embarked on a covert mission into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden. Inside the aircraft were twenty-three Navy SEALs from Team Six, which is officially known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DEVGRU. A Pakistani-American translator, whom I will call Ahmed, and a dog named Cairo—a Belgian Malinois—were also aboard.

Then there’s the $20 Billion per year for air conditioning

http://cryptogon.com/?p=16709

Did I mention it was 20 billion?

The Nobel Peace Prize took a downgrade on that one!

Amazing, isn’t it? And most citizens are not only *clueless,* they simply don’t want to know about it. But are more than willing for our tax dollars to be poured down the gaping maw called War, Inc. Go figure.

When you think of MLK, Wiesel, Mandela, and Desmond Tutu you would have to say that the Peace Prize took a dive when Obama “won” it.

hey gal….the stoopit continues and makes me dream of Gaul

that is the part that brings tears to my eyes
the the Un contracted warrior……peace baby boy

but they all complain of welfare queens and Medicare fraud
the stoopit intensly burns us all

FDR had sons serving in the military.

FDR,got influenza in WW1 almost died,perish the thought
his sainted wife,also ran around to every army hospital she could,for the sons of other women

My condolences to the Families of the Seal, the Army members on the helicopter.

We need to work harder to end both wars Firepups, we need to work harder. Never doubt that talking here does not help. We without any help let alone coverage of the war from the MSM have changed the majority of people’s minds about the war.
Now we have to increase the pressure there are 3 ways to support Jihad the Muslims say, fight cash or with the pen.
We choose the pen because its mightier than the sword.
Now we must be Mighty!

I am with you both, sadly and bystander.

They are too good for us.

Thanks.

FWIW, active US involvement in WWII was less than four-years: Dec 1941 – Aug 1945.

We are indeed # 1

http://www.businessinsider.com/america-is-number-1?op=1

32 dead, the honest question , how many did they kill first ? More than 32 ?

Why did they kill the “others” in their home land and for what exactly ?

After 10 years we should have killing down to an exact science , right ?

This is all about killing and nothing else.

Is there a headline I can find somewhere that lists the number of citizens we killed worldwide yesterday or aren’t those exceptional people worth noting ?

Guess they can never confirm either way whether OBL was actually killed.

Things in this country are so screwed up to the point that I’m even cynical about this tragedy.

I would not be surprised at all to find that the shooters knew exactly who was going to be in that helicopter and targeted it for revenge. We kill two of theirs and they kill 32 of ours. These are not stupid people. They have been fighting wars with organized armies for 2,500 years. They also know perfectly well how to govern themselves. They just don’t care to do it the way we want them to, and they resent people who try to control them just as we would.

So very sad. Number ones.

Great link. Thanks. I am saving it.

icasualties.ORG

well in Europe,the Battle of Britan started in 1940 iirc

Serious question:

Can anyone point me to a resource on the differences between ‘militant’, ‘insurgent’, ‘extremist’ and ‘terrorist’?

This attack is being attributed to ‘insurgents’, but haven’t we been told that al-queda are ‘terrorists’? Or at least ‘militants’? And definitely ‘extremists’.

What’s the criteria for which term is used?

The criteria is ever shifting. The meaning of these terms, and others, change over time to suit whatever agenda the U S Is pursuing. In 1979 Osama bin Laden joined a group known as the Mujahideen. They were armed and funded by the U S from 1979 through 1989 to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. The U S government/media used the term “freedom fighters” to describe them. In 1988 OBL split from the Mujahideen to form a new group that later came to be known as al Qaeda. al Queda has been called a terrorist organization, Muslim extremists. Islamic militants, Jihadists as well as other terms.

Now fast forward to 2011. The group in Libya fighting against Gaddafi is referred to by the U S government/media as “rebels.” Many of these rebels fought with al Qaeda forces after the U S invaded Iraq (2003) They were then called “insurgents.” A large percentage of the suicide bombers in Iraq were recruited from Eastern Libya (Darnah & Tobruk).

My first thought also.

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I thought. Greenwald has made the case that ‘terrorism’ is meaningless now that the government has openly signed on to doublespeak.

This sounds like the same kind of thing. Depends on whose ox is being gored — if you’re on our side, you’re a ‘freedom fighter’. If you’re on the other side, you’re an ‘insurgent’ or ‘militant’.

Further and further we go down the rabbit hole. Let’s hope the matrix was just a movie.

Thanks for your reply.

live by the sword, die by the sword….

ABC News is now reporting 30 Americans killed, 25 of whom were SEALS. (The edited the headline, but not the text.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/helicopter-shot-25-navy-seals-dead-crash-afghanistan/story?id=14245387

I agree with eCAHN. What idiot would place so many highly-trained, elite combat troops on the same helicopter?

I have to admit I am kinda surprised that SEAL Team 6 would be involved in anything like this. SEAL Team 6 is generally only allocated for terrorist attacks, not missions of this sort. It sounds like either we are a lot more strapped than we are lead to believe, or perhaps something else is afoot.

You don’t take your F1 racer down to the grocery store. You use something that is intended for that purpose, your station wagon, SUV, truck, even an econocar. You don’t send soldiers who are worth millions of dollars in training.

I’d like to not believe the movie depiction of SF soldiers, but could it be as simple as commanders didn’t know who or what to do, so since these soldiers were in the area, they were used. Dunno. Horrible use of forces, but whatever.

Osama is still winning the war, and the constant and continuous news about needless deaths and the billions of disappearing dollars is testament to the technical wizardry and human stupidity that America demonstrates daily.

my first thought: could it be that isi was actually responsible? the pakistani were not exactly happy about u.s. special forces killing obl.

The Rand Corporation released a study in 2008 on countering al Qaida. The Press Release about the study stated this:

“Terrorists should be perceived and described as criminals, not holy warriors, and our analysis suggests that there is no battlefield solution to terrorism.”

This was ignored, of course. There’s just too much money to be made by the MIC and their financiers. I guess it would be thinking far too outside the box for them to consider redesigning their facilities to research and develop new technologies for domestic use in the US and abroad. Is it too much for us to want to live in the world of The Jetsons rather than The Flintstones?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/12/what-empires-have-said-throughout.html

Especially unnecessary wars, the worst kind.

They’re now saying that “none of the SEALs in the crash were members of the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.”

So what. the killers were killed ,good riddance to bad trash.

Fuck anyone who mourns these murderers.

Anyone who mourns these murderers is NUTS, NUTS just NUTS.

This is just total fucking nuts.

And Lilly Leadbetter

Did the dog die too, that is sad.

The only way in which these insane Wars and Occupations will ever stop, is if people serving in the Armed Forces themselves realize that they are being used (and abused) as cannon fodder, and they decide to refuse the play this game anymore.

That’s why hearing about Americans dying in these conflicts gives me hope. If enough Americans die, then maybe people won’t bother to enlist anymore to begin with, and the people who have will go AWOL and defect to Canada.

The U.S. Wars aren’t going to end any other way.

“They killed the goat?” — Mary Hartman Mary Hartman

You’ve got to really be spaced out on drugs to worry about the dog when we have soldiers in harms way.

50 NATO forces die every day.

How many Taliban or al Qaeda? If you can’t report the whole story, then you’re just a propagandist.

I’m am a vietnam combat vet I served a tour in the Centeral Highlands 68-69. I put my life on the fucking line every day. Do not tell me sir what to worry about. Dogs IMO are far above better friends than any fucking human I’ve ever met.They don’t start fucking wars either, another god damn plus.

This is the first article I saw that said ‘shoot-down’ rather than ‘crash’ in the headline.

ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE MEN WHO WERE IN THE RAID AGAINST OSAMA BIN LADEN:

There has been huge corruption in the American government even before the Kennedy assassination. We have never gotten over WW2 when the Military Industrial Complex took power. The same people who used to feed heroin to China came here after Mao took over and started doing it to Americans. They do this by using military transport stationed in different parts of the world. When Kennedy started coming after the drug dealers and not supporting the military’s invasions in Cuba and evil operations to secure commodities all around the world and started threatening to take the CIA apart, then he had to go. FDR may have not died naturally either once he was no longer needed. We already know that Prescott Bush took part in attempted coup against him and had banks taken away from him for dealing with NAZIs during war time. FDR made himself the enemy of the bankers. We actually have been warned as far back as Jackson about an organized group that have extraordinary protection that control the banking system. Lincoln even complained explicitly. This group is organized, whoever they may be, and they have a tradition of doing business together, something like a union or mafia of the oldest rich in the world. This group can not think of any good business models other than drugs, weapons, oil/commodities, stealing other people’s ideas, owning our politicians, and fixing the system in their favor. They have committed almost every single horrible act in recent American history. They played out Operation Northwoods by doing a false flag operation and blamed a mythical enemy just like in Orwell’s book 1984. The point is to have us in perpetual fear to justify whatever operations they want as they try to corner the whole market of the world. It is what GHWB called the New World Order. They will have us as their slaves. We are their debt slaves. That is how they talk about us. That is what they want. They see themselves as worthy by coming from a long line of rulers who ruled from a throne, but now from behind the scenes. They share blood with royalty. Dead men tell no tales. We did not get any credible evidence about OBL being guilty of 911. In fact, he denied it many times. We have no evidence of him running Al Qaeda. We have no body. Now we have no people who took part in the raid.

!!!

ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE MEN WHO WERE IN THE RAID AGAINST OSAMA BIN LADEN:

There has been huge corruption in the American government even before the Kennedy assassination. We have never gotten over WW2 when the Military Industrial Complex took power. The same people who used to feed heroin to China came here after Mao took over and started doing it to Americans. They do this by using military transport stationed in different parts of the world. When Kennedy started coming after the drug dealers and not supporting the military’s invasions in Cuba and evil operations to secure commodities all around the world and started threatening to take the CIA apart, then he had to go. FDR may have not died naturally either once he was no longer needed. We already know that Prescott Bush took part in attempted coup against him and had banks taken away from him for dealing with NAZIs during war time. FDR made himself the enemy of the bankers. We actually have been warned as far back as Jackson about an organized group that have extraordinary protection that control the banking system. Lincoln even complained explicitly. This group is organized, whoever they may be, and they have a tradition of doing business together, something like a union or mafia of the oldest rich in the world. This group can not think of any good business models other than drugs, weapons, oil/commodities, stealing other people’s ideas, owning our politicians, and fixing the system in their favor. They have committed almost every single horrible act in recent American history. They played out Operation Northwoods by doing a false flag operation and blamed a mythical enemy just like in Orwell’s book 1984. The point is to have us in perpetual fear to justify whatever operations they want as they try to corner the whole market of the world. It is what GHWB called the New World Order. They will have us as their slaves. We are their debt slaves. That is how they talk about us. That is what they want. They see themselves as worthy by coming from a long line of rulers who ruled from a throne, but now from behind the scenes. They share blood with royalty. Dead men tell no tales. We did not get any credible evidence about OBL being guilty of 911. In fact, he denied it many times. We have no evidence of him running Al Qaeda. We have no body. Now we have no people who took part in the raid.