I was tied up with other matters this weekend, so couldn’t offer a take on S&P’s downgrade decision. Jane has done most of the spade work here. But I wanted to make a few points.
First of all, if the rating agency’s entire argument was that the political system showed itself to be “less stable, less effective, and less predictable” during the debt limit debate, and that this failure of policymaking and institutional capability increases the chances of default, I don’t have much to argue about that. But, there’s a policy response for that. S&P could do exactly what Moody’s did and call for the debt limit to be extinguished, on the grounds that the legislative branch shouldn’t get to vote twice on funding, once when they appropriate it and another time when they decide whether or not the bill should be paid. If they really wanted to exert some influence on behalf of bondholders, they could have said that they would downgrade US debt further if the debt limit isn’t abolished within 90 days. Since the brinksmanship over the debt limit constitutes the biggest – perhaps the only – threat to paying off US sovereign debt, then the appropriate action for entities judging creditworthiness is to ask that the country in question eliminate the arcane and also dangerous practice.
But that’s not S&P’s only rationale. They somehow think it’s appropriate to pick a random deficit reduction target – in this case, $4 trillion – and hold a sovereign nation responsible for reaching it by threatening their borrowing costs. This is absolute madness that goes light years beyond their core analytical function. It shows in the fact that the number has no special significance from a deficit reduction standpoint. It also shows in the fact that they are so statistically challenged by this new function that they made a $2 trillion calculation error, fully half of the arbitrary $4 trillion in deficit reduction they are demanding!
This all only makes sense if you view S&P as a malign political actor, as they have been for some time. Matt Stoller revives an example I hadn’t heard before:
In the early 2000s, several states attempted to rein in an increasingly obvious predatory mortgage lending wave. These laws, pushed by consumer advocates, would have threatened the highly profitable mortgage securitization pipeline.
S&P used its power to destroy this threat. Josh Rosner and Gretchen Morgenson told the story in Reckless Endangerment.
Standard & Poor’s was the most aggressive of the three agencies, however. And on January 16, 2003, four days after the Georgia General Assembly convened, it dropped a bombshell. Because of the state’s new Fair Lending Act, S&P said that it would no longer allow mortgage loans originated in Georgia to be placed in mortgage securities that it rated. Moody’s and Fitch soon followed with similar warnings.
It was a critical blow. S&P’s move meant Georgia lenders would have no access to the securitization money machine; they would either have to keep the loans they made on their own books, or sell them one by one to other institutions. In turn, they made it clear to the public that there would be fewer mortgages funded, dashing “the dream” of homeownership.
Standard & Poor’s said it was taking action because the new law created liability for any institution that participated in a securitization containing a loan that might be considered predatory. If a Wall Street firm purchased loans that ran afoul of the law and placed them in a mortgage pool, the firm could be liable under the law. Ditto for investors who bought into the pools.
“Transaction parties in securitizations, including depositors, issuers and servicers, might all be subject to penalties for violations under the Georgia Fair Lending Act,” S&P’s press release explained.
It ended with a warning: “Standard & Poor’s will continue to monitor this and other pending predatory lending legislation.” In other words, any states that might have been considering strengthening their predatory lending laws as Georgia did should beware.
You need to know just how important the wanton destruction of Georgia’s Fair Lending Act was to the current state of affairs – the financial crisis, 9% unemployment, all of it. This story is well-told in Michael W. Hudson’s The Monster as well. Georgia, and any state that dared model their anti-predatory lending practices, was essentially overruled by Wall Street, with S&P holding the whip. S&P was getting paid lots of money by bankers to rubber-stamp mortgage backed securities and they liked that arrangement just fine. So they basically got a state to throw out their own rules stopping mortgage brokers from ripping off their constituents because that didn’t meet with their bottom line. This word went out across the land – there will be no regulation of the mortgage market, now or forever. And that held until the bubble popped.
It’s not much different from S&P acting like the IMF and picking a random target – the exact same target that would result from just letting the Bush tax cuts expire, which if the country is as politically gridlocked as S&P’s analysis would suggest, is fated to happen, right? – or they’ll do whatever is in their power to extract a consequence.
To believe that S&P is doing a straight, dispassionate analysis of the nation’s fiscal situation and creditworthiness is to overlook that they have a terrible reputation and they aren’t even particularly good at predicting sovereign debt defaults. But dispassionate analysis is not their goal. This is.
The downgrade of the United States government’s credit rating by Standard & Poor’s is almost sure to increase pressure on a new Congressional “supercommittee” to mute ideological disagreements and recommend a package of deficit-reduction measures far exceeding its original goal of at least $1.5 trillion, lawmakers said Sunday.
Even before the panel is appointed, its mission is expanding. Its role is not just to cut the annual budget deficit and slow the explosive growth of federal debt but also to appease the markets and help restore the United States’ top credit rating of AAA. Otherwise, taxpayers may eventually have to pay more in interest for every dollar borrowed by the Treasury.
Taxpayers are currently paying the lowest rates for borrowing in decades (and they went down 1/2 a point in the last week, so even if they go up that much today, we will be effectively back where we started), and JPMorgan said last week the downgrade would have “no major implications for borrowing costs.” So that last line is entirely bullshit. S&P, while claiming to be agnostic about where the $4 trillion in deficit reduction must come from, said that cutting entitlement spending is “key to long-term fiscal sustainability.”
Already the usual suspects are jumping on this. The President’s statement highlights that the threat of a downgrade is why he pushed for a grand bargain. John Kerry, while producing a nice bon mot (“the Tea Party downgrade”), said the nation should get right to work “putting a plan on the table, $4 trillion plus, if necessary.”
When you see S&P not as some dispassionate political commentator but more akin to a corporate lobbyist things come into focus. In a sane world, we’d be raiding the Standard and Poor’s offices searching for evidence of their using their power and influence for a political result. Like they just did in Milan.
UPDATE: So far today, the benchmark 10-year Treasury yield HAS DROPPED, with fears of a weakened economy. Those crazy politicians have cost us negative-10 billion dollars!
David Beers of S&P has no regrets. I’ll bet he doesn’t.



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Josh Rosner and Gretchen Morgenson are going to be here this weekend with their book Reckless Endangerment on the book salon. It could not be more timely.
Several people have steered me toward their Georgia meddling. I haven’t had time to look into it yet. But these guys are an overtly political operation with a clear agenda. They are not an objective and dispassionate research firm assessing risk.
Who owns S&P?
McGraw Hill Publishers
This is a whole other kettle of fish. The publisher McGraw-Hill owns S&P.
The Treasonous Turtle
Teabaggers delight in accusing non-Baggers of treason. It’s time to turn the tables. As Baggers pulled a political stunt designed to destroy America’s government and got far enough to see our nation’s sacrosanct and pristine credit soiled, it is time to call these anti-American Confederate wannabes what they are: traitors.
Here is what Baggers’ leader in the Senate, the bejowled Turtle Mitch McConnell, had to say about the teabagger hostage-taking that nearly crashed American capitalism into a wall of teabagging ignorance:
Article:
The Treasonous Turtle
I knew that much. I was looking at EW’s diagram, and if I read it right (which I most probably didn’t), it seemed as if there were a Koch in the middle.
I didn’t like it when the wingnuts called us traitors for opposing the war and I don’t like it now. I don’t see how this makes anything better — it just makes us guilty of everything we accused them of doing.
sweet jesus this is a mighty fine post !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_McGraw_III
a member of the board of directors of United Technologies and of ConocoPhillips; chairman of the Emergency Committee for American Trade (ECAT); and a member of the Business Council. In the past he served as a member of President George W. Bush’s Transition Advisory Committee on Trade.
not lobbyists. crooks. see bill black.
in a sane world:
first, years ago there would have massive fbi investigations for fraud, fair trials and prison time.
second, everyone would be laughing at s&p now because we would all understand that the usa is not italy and that the difference (currency issuer vs currency user) makes their stupid down grade as threatening as a child’s unloaded water gun.
mike norman (link in original):
for anyone still not reading bill mitchell every day (you should be!), please at least read today’s: S&P decision is irrelevant
had that exact thought about 3 minutes ago while watching the carnage on CNBC
I don’t disagree with what you say about S&P, but I think the whole debt limit game was instituted so that Congress didn’t have to come up with a funding scheme for each and every bill that was passed, they let Treasury deal with that part. But they didn’t want to give them too much power, so they put a limit on what they could borrow.
Anyway, eliminating the debt limit doesn’t fix anything, unless Congress also goes back to hammering out funding for each piece of crap legislation they come up with.
Markets down globally. S&P shorted them. Gold around $1700.00 an ounce. What are the states,pension funds and other doing to comply with laws that they have to have AAA investments? Sell off? S&P stock is down with BoA.
Even with massive bond buy in Europe!
bill black from feb 2009 on s&p fraud:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02/04/bill-blacks-primer-on-the-fraud-at-the-heart-of-the-financial-system/
and here is bill black in march 2009 here at fdl to talk with us about fraud:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/23/talking-economic-accountability-with-william-black/
They’ve now downgraded Fannie and Freddie, too.
Along the same line, from Reuters:
“Italian prosecutors have seized documents at the offices of rating agencies Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s in a probe over suspected “anomalous” fluctuations in Italian share prices, a prosecutor said on Thursday.”
Do we have an international cabal of rogue banksters?
DOJ should charge S&P and do what was done to Anderson, seize their computers, get the evidence of colluding and roll a RICO case on Wall Street for stealing the world blind.
Somewhere there is a whole lot of shredding going on.
Pimp co of Newport Beach, hedge fund was said to have collaborated with S&P to make a big pile on treasury shorts
On the decision-making process. Apart from the fact that most of the people who work in these agencies are hacks, there is also the top-down aspect. I had a student with a good Ph.D. in economics from Yale who worked at the OECD. He was smart, in the usual way, but not especially talented nor deep. I remember talking to him in Paris about how things worked over at his shop, and it was essentially this: the director sets the policy, and everything else, recommendations, research results, you name it, is endogenous to it. This is the IMF model as well. No doubt it holds for S&P.
Top down management, must be some interesting emails in their servers and on their cell phone servers. Please let there be an investigation.
A few years ago, I hoped that a Democratic President and Congress would have the guts to simply repeal the Bush tax cuts in 2009. That was hoping for too much, apparently, even though the Obama campaign was printing posters that said “Hope.” But imagine of they had the guts, how much better off we would be now.
and have they downgraded all Federal Home Loan Banks, or just the ones suing the MBS/MOTU’s ? (Boston, Chicago, SF, Seattle, ?)
and how influential is this guy Tepper who is busy telegraphing ‘sell everything’ right now ?
IMF wants a National and worldwide VAT so that Commoners pay the Lion’s share of taxes. IMF wants tax cuts for the rich. IMF wants Social Welfare Cuts. IMF wants Yachts and Jets and the new $1.2 Million dollar four door Bugatti for the rich.
Obama and Geither, et al, work for the IMF.
Thanks for the link. That is a fabulous piece.
Dow down 342 pts 3% egads. Gee thanks a lot you so much S&P.Knut is probably down another $40 grand. There is a lot of pain being issued today in spite of all the sell out agreements.
Even the dumbest Tea Partier must recognize the danger of having corporations run the government. Hopefully, this makes it obvious for everyone.
your Preznit to speak at 1pm et
And remember their is a push to lower corporate taxes to 5%.
The government must quickly freeze all shorting. Let them eat ‘em.
Prediction:
Media Designated Economic Genius Paul Ryan’s backpedalling on revenue (taxes) is likely a precursor to his next piece of brilliance:
Ryan will recommend the VAT (with Social Sec Med Cuts) to cure all our woes.
VAT is regressive. Workers and Poor will pay 95 percent of it.
Bugattis will be VAT Free.
We are very heavily invested in Banco di Santander (sigh). There is no safe haven, even for people who did what they were supposed to do, and saved for retirement.
Just more affirmation from the rest of the world that the spending policies that started with FDR and have continued now for ~80 years are a failure and will be the downfall of this country. Time for immediate entitlement reform, widening the tax base and aggressively cutting spending. No more kicking the can down the road and expecting someone else to pay for it. Too many in this country just expect someone else to pick up the tab. Time to be held accountable.
Bullshit. The UK has run a Budget defect for 300 years. The US for 200.
It has nothing to do with FDR. Fuck off and read some economics, that is if you can comprehend polysyllabic words.
Concentrate on the word “Demand”.
Fixed return annuities. Aviva has a 7.2% annual guarantee rider. Anything else is Gambling.
Gold? LMAO. If I had bough 1 oz of Gold every month for the last 40 years, I’d only have $850,000 in Gold today, and it would have cost me about $300,000.
We were warned as far back as late 2008 but it seems all Congress did was brow-beat the rating agencies in hearings. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/446/video.html
Sorry maybe with massive bond Spanish bond purchases today it will comeback and you can cut your losses. They are in PR and Colombia wonder if they are a drug money launderer?
Did you script the movie Dumb and Dumber?
Declining issues 30 to 1 can the president statement turn this around..he said he speaks they listen!
Trolls so suck.
The progressive movement in this country has created a situation in which 50% of the population walks around with their hands out and stealing from the other 50%. That started with FDR.
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damn !
Just a thought I’ve been considering all weekend. In the midst of the debt ceiling debate, we were clamoring for a 14TH Amendment solution. The rationale was that it is a crime to disparage the creditworthiness of the USA.
Is that not exactly what S&P has done?
I want a perpwalk.
Bill Black is God to me. Whenever I get depressed that my law degree and bar membership was a big waste of my life, I go read the latest Bill Black blogpost, remember why I wanted to be a lawyer, and regain my gnarly attitude. He is just amazing. We need to protect him but also talk him onto a bigger stage.
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How you continue to out do yourself on the stupid comment scale is truly a wonder.
owe ya a beverage.
Wrong the one percenters and their stooges have raped the economy and the taxpayers and now want to privatise our Social Security Savings. That is our money not yours scumbag.
I am making an exception just for today. Normally I hate driving web traffic to WSJ, but this markets summary on Marketwatch is fascinating right now.
Right now:
Dow off 2.6% (drop of more than 300 points)
S&P off 3.2% (drop of more than 38 points)
Meanwhile, on the U.S. Treasuries bond market, yields are down eighteen (18) basis points (bp) for both the 7-year and 10-year notes.
today it’s gotta be a virgin Dacquiri, freakin heat index is probly gonna hit 100 again today
Agreed-they are a (malign) political actor. As this was not abou economics or default.
Right now the market is down big but off the lows. The bond market though is ignoring S&P
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44057166
As the bond market-and many countries-still feel that US treauries are about a safe bet as you can find clearly S&P’s economic justifiaction is not persausive.
scroll, my brother
hey !
S&Peas
Good one.
dog, it appears that large factions of the so-called “party” of Tea are actually astroturf front groups for billionaires. Most of those billionaires got that way through predatory & parasitic corporate profits, e.g., the Koch (“coke”) Brothers. So I wish it were true that Tea-baggers were true independent radicals & hell-raisers on the right, but I fear they are just corporate puppets.
Go fuck yourself Rush.
As with the fascist wing of the GOP S&P is just showing less fear of exposing their exercise of raw power to influence the governing process of this country.
The debt ceiling legislation law just passed enables that even further by preventing the President and Congress, should they be willing, to borrow and spend. History and rational economics tells us that is really the only reasonable route toward recovery.
Who is running the country? Pretty obvious, isn’t it?
commin at ya.
CBL @ 54
good one.
joe, just scroll, don’t feed it
don’t kid yourself. The one percenters along with China are financing the country. Its the deadbeats that got greedy and over-leveraged themselves to buy homes they couldn’t afford that destroyed this economy.
Copy that. I call him “Sensei.”
He damn right better have Elliot Spitzer next to him as new Special Prosecutor with a huge staff.
Then one of the prosecutors who morally resigned from Gitmo to lead the Torture investigation right up the republican’s ass.
The Whitebreads called out Obama to the gallows as a sacrificial lamb.
Game on brother, the enemy is in your face.
This is the underlying racism in this country out to destroy the first Black president even if it destroys the country’s economy. The southern idiots think the blacks take the majority of entitlements so that’s why they want to cut them.
This is the final battle of the civil war. Will Blacks finally be treated like equals or more of the southern inferior shit we’ve been sold time and time again ?
“When you see S&P not as some dispassionate political commentator but more akin to a corporate lobbyist things come into focus.”
That any entity on Wall Street is a corporate lobbyist is hardly a revelation. Capitalists have one primary motive: profit, even at the cost of social justice.
Meanwhile, the high-frequency trading computers are just going batshit with volatility.
Bill Black=my guru master. Shoulda said that.
McGraw hill CEO is a close friend of HWB and was contracted to create the “No Child Left Behind” books and exam documents!
Yow! I hope DC cops keep the guns away. *g*
legitimate claims notwithstanding, anyone else gobsmacked by the irony of AIG suing BOA ?
It’s the reverse of who you think is stealing.
s&p’s ownership goes deeper into right-wing ideology than mcgraw-hill.
see this diagram of mcgraw-hill ownership:
http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/08/mcgraw-hill-theyrule-net.png
does the name koch ring a bell?
multiple-corporation ownership of a rating agency is good for the nation?
brought to my attention in this emptywheel essay:
http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/08/07/the-end-of-the-american-empire/#more-20883
apparently kathy gill put the diagram together.
We need to crush those motherfuckers. Sounds to me like there is a case against S&P under the Martin Act in NY state. NY AG, are you payin’ attention?
rats in a sack
leading MMT light Michael Hudson (econ. not reporter) is in same department at same university as Black – must be one helluva break room chat
So, have been watching the corporate msm and have seen nothing, zip, zero about how it was the actions of the rethug/teahaddist economic terrorists that caused them to lower the rating.
Not. A. Word. From any TV or newspaper that I have seen. that I have seen.
Page 4 of the report states plainly that it was the rethug/teahaddists who caused the downgrade.
So how come no mention, and better yet, how come no one is calling anyone to task?
We as a nation are kept ignorant, granted the majority of adult americans are lazy sheeple, easily led by propaganda, but still, shouldn’t there be someone telling the truth?
Damn, I am so glad that I have the ability to leave the country, and places that I can go.
The future of the US appears to be a theocratic dictatorship.
I can not even think of anything to say about that.
However, I am quite sure, having been reading this blog for quite a few years, that many of you will refuse to vote democrat.
So, are you all stupid enough to give the 2012 election to the rethug/teahaddists?
Are you all nothing more than rethug/teahaddist fifth columnists?
You do fulfil the ideals of a fifth columnist.
Do any of you know what a fifth columnist is?
You all appear to be rethugs in progressive clothing. Why else try so hard to make it easier for the rethug/teahaddist economic terrorists to win?
Not only sitting on your hands come election time, but activly campaigning against people who do support democrats.
That is what a fifth column does.
continuing s&p’s ownership:
wal-mart stores
american enterprise institute
state farm insurance
conoco-phillips
united technologies
this is what weak regulation and weak congressional oversight yields the nation.
Yield on the 10-year Treasury is down to 2.38 percent and the yield on the 30-year bond is down to 3.71 percent.
You can actually see the quantity of money that could be saved by the U.S. govt by looking at the yield curves at that link: the green line is today’s yield curve, the orange is the curve for last trading day (Friday). All the white space between the curves equals serious money when computed over 30 years. (Normally that white space is so tiny it’s invisible to the naked eye.) Good news for the American Deficit!
yup. UMKC — University of Missouri Kansas City. Dangerous gang.
P.S. I still don’t know what MMT means.
It’s the debt, stupid. BTW, Moody’s continues to issue warnings…they’re just lagging behind right now. Basically, the US takes in $180-billion a month, then borrows $120-billion a month so it can spent $300-billion a month, and liberals ‘tHiNk‘ the US deserves a AAA credit rating. The US wants to borrow even more!? The US paid $414-billion in “Interest Expense” last year!
Only 50 working %? That figure used to be much lower, back in the days where single-breadwinner families was the norm. It’s actually higher now.
(Here’s a hint: much of those not working are the elderly, the disabled, students, and babies. Though you probably think that these too should be out there putting in 8-12 hour days. And also house-spouses, who in fact DO work, but work for no pay).
Yet another conservative talking point bites the dust!
-stewartm
Please ease off on the insults. If you have been reading here “for years” then you know what we do. Don’t get tangled in your own rhetoric.
beautiful diagram of interlocking directorates. Doesn’t show ownership but does show affiliations and commonality of political alignments. Which, in the era of ignoring your stockholders and just doing WTF you want with the company you direct, might be more relevant.
But Kurt Schmoke? The black former Mayor of Baltimore now current dean of Howard Law School? whaaaa? He got a lotta splainin’ to do.
Modern Monetary Theory -
papau’s diary
Sorry, I just cannot tell the good guys from the bad guys anymore. Can you get them to wear white hats?
Marshall Auerback on the S&P ratings game:
After critically dismantling the rationale for the downgrade, Auerback concludes with this:
Why, one might wonder, do economic pundits not reflect on the social, economic and political problems found in California, which has also placed an artificial but hard political limit on collecting revenues. Economic problems caused by the implementation of reactionary economics have turned California into a basket case state. The debacle is already here, although it is local, not nation. This is where the much of America’s political and economic elite wish to take the country.
In Soviet Russia, sovereign government downgrades you! The President could always add a few names to the Annex of this E.O. he signed July 24 (the Japanese Yakuza and Mexican Los Zetes gangs already made the cut). :o )
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, find that the activities of significant transnational criminal organizations, such as those listed in the Annex to this order, have reached such scope and gravity that they threaten the stability of international political and economic systems. Such organizations are becoming increasingly sophisticated and dangerous to the United States; they are increasingly entrenched in the operations of foreign governments and the international financial system, thereby weakening democratic institutions, degrading the rule of law, and undermining economic markets. These organizations facilitate and aggravate violent civil conflicts and increasingly facilitate the activities of other dangerous persons. I therefore determine that significant transnational criminal organizations constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.
Accordingly, I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, including any overseas branch, of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in:
(i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/25/executive-order-blocking-property-transnational-criminal-organizations
I only got a B+ in college economics. But I got an A+ in “street smarts”. Them numbers just don”t add up. I think we’re lucky not to have A- rating. But that’s just my opinion.
If I had money to invest, I’d put it in baseball cards.
I should point out that the National Emergency the President declared on July 24 (what, that didn’t make the papers?) in response to the national security threat posed by Yakuza and friends was based on legal authority granted by the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (I mentioned it here on July 27), which is available as a response to:
“any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States” [a tally of foreign-owned Treasuries would clear the “substantial part” hurdle]: The President may… (B) investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001702—-000-.htm
- yes, it is beautiful.
- yes, i thought interlocking directorates had been outlawed decades and decades ago. wonder how they crept back in.
- i would think it highly advantageous for any corporation to have partial control of a bond rating agency.
life in the c-suites
sure can be sweet.
Great post. Repeal that stoopid law. And outlaw S&P.
With John Q. Public maxed out on his credit cards, and hunkered down trying to get out of debt, this downgrade couldn’t have come at a worse time. Let’s see, credit card companies are looking for ways to get more juice, while consumers are trying to stop using their cards, and the credit downgrade may have the effect of increasing rates on credit cards (even if limited to new purchases.) May be a coincidence; maybe not.
correction:
linda koch lorimer is a v-p of yale university; i am reasonably confident now that she has no sibling connection with charles and david koch.
she is described as the “lead director” at mcgraw-hill:
http://littlesis.org/person/1950/Linda_Koch_Lorimer
http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=608326&ticker=MHP:US&previousCapId=972190&previousTitle=ACCENTURE%20PLC-CL%20A
Very interesting story about SP and predatory lending policy. During the time in question, much better-known so far as I can tell (I was following this then, somewhat) was the federal pre-emption of state-level attempts to police predatory lenders.
Since the most aggressive efforts probably came out of North Carolina, a great deal of the research on the effects of the laws and of the pre-emption comes out of that state. This presentation by Roberto Quercia reports an early attempt at pre-emption, through the Office of Thrift Supervision applying to federal S&Ls, as far back as 1999. The main supression attempt, which seems at last to have succeeded well enough, was through the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, applying to all federal banks, in 2004. So it is possible that the SP action the previous year was a stalker to see whether anti-predator efforts by the states could be crushed without open federal action. The answer would seem to have been, “No, they can’t.”
Much information on federal pre-emption came up in google on the phrase “predatory lending federal preemption” which turned out not to be as original as I had thought it was.
We need the idiot in chief to come out and fix this thing.
I watched Beers last night on CNBC Asia. Words that come to mind. Seedy. Past retirement age. Self satisfied. Detached. Dismissive. I would expect his sport jacket to reek of pipe smoke. And my father told me, never trust a man who allows his mustache to conceal his upper lip. The mustache was quivering, or was it the upper lip trembling. Fifteen minutes of fame, giddy.
As for S&P itself, even before the math error analysts were commenting that S&P doesn’t have a computer model that is sophisticated enough to make the projections they are presenting.
I think the stock market drop is a buying opportunity. The U.S. is a strong economy and the crisis is being manipulated.
Agreed. But people here refuse to acknowledge that the top 2% of earners fund 38% of this government, and the top 10% fund 70%. They think it’s their right to have 51% of taxpayers not actually pay any federal taxes. They believe that it’s up to the “other guy” to fund their lifestyle.
That’s a dangerous tipping point, but one that just gets worse every year.
What the don’t realize is that, regardless of tax rates, tax policies, stage of the economic cycle, and which party is in power, federal tax revenues have been amazingly steady as a percentage of GDP since the 1930. In only 3 years (out of about 80) has the ratio of feredal revenues to GDP ever gone above 20% – and 2 of those times we were embroiled in WWII.
So tax policy is not going to get us out of this deficit mess. Only spending reform will do that. The further down the road that we kick this can, the more it will take a massive austerity program to fix.
It’s a slippery slope right now, but we’re fixing to go over Niagara Falls if we are not careful.
At the end of all this we will see no accountability action for S&P for their super great track record of ratings on sub-prime mortgages as recent as couple of years back. Now they increased their scope and size and commenting on US Government itself.
We will see no action on revenue increase by taxes for the Wars we should NOT be fighting in Iraq etc. Nor will there be any talk of pulling out or dramatic scaling back of from those Wars or even just simply closing the loop-holes to prevent Government to collect more income at the current rates.
What we will see is Social Security defunding by payroll tax holiday and unemployment extension instead of actual jobs creation by tackling the oversees currency manipulation our manufacturers are seeing.
Once Social security is gone which people who want our long term economy to crash expect to see our Economy to drop into Depression at the wave of hand from Wall street also seen by all as Flash crash recently or the out of blue huge drop in a single day middle of last week obviously due to leaks of this new rating drama.
Because of progressive taxation even top 2% or top 10% will not pay any taxes for the 51% taxpayers income part who are not paying federal taxes but hit with other taxes that all their lives they are just scrapping from one morsel of food to next every day.
So even top 2% to top 10% are getting a huge break from taxation for their part of income which matches bottom 51%.
Oh Please. And confine your idiotic remarks to blogs where people don’t know what they are talking about, like you.
I’m not following you. It is a FACT that the top 2% of earners are finding a hugely dispropotionate share of this government. Do you dispute that?
Yes, the lower class 51% are paying other taxes, but so do the top tier.
Welfare reform took place in the 90′s. Come join the rest of us in the 21st century, jerk.
finding as in stealing? The top 2% steal most of what they have through advantages laws that they have passed by their whore congressmen.
Every individual in this planet strives to have 3 ideals enshrined in our declaration of independence : life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Everybody for that matter wants to improve themselves, their surroundings and make their lives meaningful from top 1% to bottom 1%.
These can be within reach of everybody in our country which can also be called quality of living depends on how good our shared resources are maintained i.e. how well our government is funded to take care of our shared resources while ensuring our life and liberty.
There has to be difference in wealth to enable people to strive to create quality but too much difference is what Free market creates because it favors monopoly creation and this is a wasted wealth i.e. why Pres. Theodore Roosevelt suggested Progressive taxation and Estate taxes which were very smart concepts which put America on path to super power. Right now our economic system has all the right tools. Problem is with enforcement and the way it is happening is we are picking the wrong buttons to press like quixotic war in iraq, payroll tax holiday etc because policy makers are not willing to make some people who are not thinking long term upset. That enforcement by policy makers fighting for the right side is primarily the problem.
FWIW
mcgraw-hill board of directors:
http://investor.mcgraw-hill.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=96562&p=irol-govboard
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s&p’s senior managers:
http://www.standardandpoors.com/about-sp/management-profiles/en/us
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how s&p’s fits into the mcgraw-hill group of companies;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGraw-Hill
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s&p’s little $2 trillion error from the u.s. treasury employee who discovered it:
http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/Just-the-Facts-SPs-2-Trillion-Mistake.aspx
Really? How is someone who invested in themselves and took on personal debt to go through 10 years of medical school a “monopoly”? How do business owners, and people who took a risk starting their own small business, somehow take advantage of the lower 50%? Yet progressives would freely tax those people more to so that they themselves can enjoy the benefits of lower taxes. Oh, the “evil rich”, the “oppressors”, the “members of the lucky sperm club”. Jeez.
When more than half the country bears NO impact from an increasingly-progressive tax structure, they really don’t give a damn about how much the government spends, do they?
Please do not put medical school professionals and small business owners in the upper 1%.
Regarding frivolous government spending this is one of the blog sites which was screaming loud and clear that we need to get out of unnecessary wars like in Iraq etc. One will not find any proponents for such unprovoked & unnecessary war on this site here.
Whatever tax deductions available to lower 50% to avoid federal income tax is applicable to upper 1%. It is a fact. It is a tiered tax rate. Only income above and beyond that is taxed at a higher rate but is not happening right now as in the past when it was as high as 90% during Pres. Eisenhower era. BTW Late 1950s and early 1960s was the highest point of shared American prosperity and it was by no means an accident right after worst war world has ever seen. It was primarily due to that rigorous enforcement of that tiered tax rate.
BTW I am a strong proponent of small businesses but I am not sure in the increasingly monopolistic business climate, with the regulations duopoly or monopoly business is putting with the help of compliant congress as impediments fearing competition they are allowing these small business to prosper and thrive. Getting small business to thrive is what Pres. Theodore Roosevelt did with his trust busting efforts.
Small business is right along with the vision of our founding fathers like Pres. Thomas Jefferson for our country who wanted Americans to excel in the field they chose and pursue happiness in that field. To enable that for all of our countrymen to achieve they wrote constitution and bill of rights.