Via everywhere, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has chosen Sens. Patty Murray (D-WA), John Kerry (D-MA) and Max Baucus (D-MT) for the Super Congress, the bipartisan committee charged with finding at least $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the next 10 years. They will make up 1/4 of the 12-member committee: the other Majority and Minority Leaders in each chamber of Congress will chose the other nine.
None of the three were part of the Gang of Six, the bipartisan Senate group that devised a deficit reduction plan this year. Baucus appeared on the Bowles-Simpson Catfood Commission, but ultimately voted against the recommendations. He also was part of the Biden talks during the debt limit. The Huffington Post had reported that Baucus wouldn’t be part of the committee.
Murray is the head of the DSCC, the campaign arm for Senate Dems, and next year will likely be consumed with protecting conservative Democrats in tight elections in states like Montana, Missouri, Nebraska and West Virginia.
Kerry and Murray signed a letter earlier this year essentially calling for a grand bargain based on the Bowles-Simpson recommendations. Kerry was on Meet the Press this week saying this:
Senator Kerry also endorsed that goal. The United States must show the markets that it is “deadly serious about dealing with its long-term structural debt,” he said, and the way to do that is by “putting a plan on the table, $4 trillion plus, if necessary.”
None of the three are up for re-election in 2012, perhaps the most important characteristic qualifying them for the position.
The rest of the committee members must be named by August 16, but in a way this was the most important announcement of the four. If there’s going to be slippage from any hardline positions on entitlements or taxes, it’s going to come from the Senate Dems, in all likelihood.
UPDATE: I’ll put Reid’s release on the flip. One interesting part of this is that Murray is the co-chair.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced today that he will appoint Senate Democratic Conference Secretary Patty Murray, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, and Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction (JSC). Senator Reid has appointed Senator Murray as the co-chair of the JSC. Speaker Boehner will appoint the other co-chair.
The JSC was originally conceived by Senator Reid during the negotiations that led to passage of the Budget Control Act of 2011. The Act created the JSC to devise a long-term approach to reducing our nation’s deficit. The bipartisan, bicameral committee will be comprised of 12 members, 6 from each Chamber, equally divided between Democrats and Republicans. The JSC is charged with developing legislation to achieve at least $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction by Thanksgiving. The committee has been given broad leeway to examine all areas for deficit reduction, and its legislation will be given expedited consideration, with a guaranteed up-or-down vote in the Senate before Christmas.
Senator Reid issued the following statement regarding the appointments:
“The Joint Select Committee has been charged with forging the balanced, bipartisan approach to deficit reduction that the American people, the markets and rating agencies like Standard and Poor’s are demanding. To achieve that goal, I have appointed three senators who each posses an expertise in budget matters, a commitment to a balanced approach and a track record of forging bipartisan consensus.
“I have great faith in Senator Murray as the co-chair of the committee. Her years of experience on the Senate Budget and Appropriations committees have given her a depth of knowledge on budget issues, and demonstrated her ability to work across party lines. Senators Baucus and Kerry are two of the Senate’s most respected and experienced legislators. Their legislative accomplishments are matched only by their records of forging strong bonds with their Republican colleagues.
“As the events of the past week have made clear, the world is watching the work of this committee. I am confident that Senators Murray, Baucus and Kerry will bring the thoughtfulness, bipartisanship, and commitment to a balanced approach that will produce the best outcome for the American people.”



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My money is on Baucus to be the designated caver. Maybe Kerry is there to make a duo of Dem sellouts, give Baucus some cover.
Well it’s a huge bonus that Conrad isn’t on the committee since he’s on record favoring chained CPI.
I would view this as a group over which Obama has almost total control.
Not necessarily.
Do you really think he wanted Patty Murray to solicit the Koch brothers for contributions?
I wonder whether she knows the difference between “Yea” and “Nay”.
I’m sure Obama will have minders at the committee meetings, to make sure no Dem goes off the reservation, just like he did during health reform debate.
Is all I can say is “whatever”. Like these picks will make a difference. There is not one democrat in the senate that I would trust to stand up for progressive principles. Show me an issue that needs a democrat to fight tooth ‘n’ nail and I will show a strongly worded letter instead.
Here’s what is in the cards where I think Baucus will do his part to play the rotating villian:
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2011/cr11201.pdf
Those who are on mandated Obamacare will get taxes on top of their mandate while those who are Medicare will have to pay more for treatment.
Baucus will take the dive. U.S. politics has morphed into professional wrestling where the outcome is scripted. Why not just dress them in costumes. Baucus in a full leotard and head mask, Kerry in fatigues and camo paint on his face, and Murrary as the solicitous school marm in pigtails.
There was an old Cary Grant movie called “Once Upon a Honeymoon” that was about this sinister diplomat touring Europe with his new wife, Ginger Rodgers. It seems that everywhere the diplomat went, that country fell to the Nazis a week or two after he left. It was left to Cary Grant as a radio news reporter to figure out what is going on. Max Baucus reminds me of that guy.
Baucus sold out on the Medicare drug benefit negotiations, the health reform negotiations, the tax cut negotiations, and the deficit reductions in the Gang of 6. Why is this man allowed anywhere near any of this? If he is there, we know exactly what is going to happen.
And it will happen in secret. And it will be drawn out to the very last minute with no time for discussion and passed without amendment with his finger on the “trigger” of that shotgun aimed at our heads.
Don’t you get it? It’s all scripted. It’s merely another form of entertainment for the masses with consequences beyond the grasp of the ordinary man or woman.
Tell me Max Baucus isn’t a teabagger! Look at this Festival he attended.
omg, yes, all of them in costumes on CSPAN.
The cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as well as other social programs are coming! It’s a fool’s paradise believing these people will protect the social safety net. We can’t rely on them to do the right thing. There’s no election between now and the commission’s recommendations. All three aren’t up for reelection in 2012. THE FIX IS IN!
Our best/only option is taking direct action.
http://october2011.org/welcome
Kerry is a job-seeker, State, to Obama, when Hillary leaves after his re-election. So Obama has Kerry by the Festival items.
It should be a tag team extravaganza. Steel cage of course. The only ones pinned, however, will be the poor, the elderly, the sick, and the working and middle class. The 3 Amigos will walk out of the ring and collect their paychecks with a smile, a nod and a wink.
Ranch hands have their Rocky Mountain oysters grilled fresh off the bull.
I know Kerry and Baucus are filthy fucking rich. What about Murray and why are incredibly wealthy people qualified to serve on a panel charged with serving on a commission that will look at cutting social safety nets? (rhetorical question)
SD! Got my eye on a litter of tabbies and specifically the green eyed one.
For some reason I was thinking this would be Baucus’s last term anyway, so he can cash in and become a lobbyist. Anything to this notion?
Now we get to watch this like a slow motion accident. Maybe we should send cans of catfood to their senate offices. Harry Reid too.
- Tom
Unless there is direct action and opposition they will fuck the American people. Maybe what this country needs is a little of what’s happening in GB right now. When people have little future and narrowing opportunities the PTB should not be surprised when things explode.
Rut roh. Pullin’ at the heart strings time.
Like Kerry or Baucus is a libral or progressive in any sence of the word. Patty Murry is there to state the ” WE NEED TO SAVE MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY” card and they all know the stupid voters will forget all about it in 4 years anyway..Besides, whos going to run against murry, dino rossie again?
Lets fase it,,,Its a every man 9Or WOman) for themselves america going forward..
We can know safely say, we know how the romans felt…
The outcome was predictable at the time the Super CFC was dreamed up. All it takes is for one Demorat to vote with the solid Purina block. Meow!
he does have a new bride and I bet he goes all Newt on her and needs the lobbiest cash
LMAO! I don’t think that will be Kuroneko’s reaction!
not as long as the american dumb azz has cable tv and cheap Miller High life to drink…
The one most likely to do that is Max, “we have the votes to pass single payer so I’m going to stall until we don’t”, Baucus. The guy should call himself a Republican and stop being coy.
I knew it. I knew they’d put one corporate friendly Conseradem on this commission. The Republicans will get exactly what they want and Obama has the excuse to sign it because it will be a “bipartisan” bill.
I’ll bet the WH lobbied hard for Baucus. Kent Conrad was on the gang of six and his views are too well known. Watch how surprised all the usual suspects will be when this attack on the middle class bill gets voted out of committee.
Baucus already killed the public option, reimportation of drugs, and Medicare drug price negotiation. He’ll have no problem screwing over the middle class and the poor.
No way in hell I vote for Obama again.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL
By What Authority do these 12 Tyrants deem To Rule over us?
Where is our Otto Wels?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels
SS will be cut.
make no mistake about that.
medicare age will be raised and expect much more out of pocket costs’.
the bush tax cuts will NOT be eliminated.
that was the point of obama saying he wants the payroll tax extended.
that will be the trade.
war dept will see NO further cuts.
this deal will cost the dems 8-10 senate seats if you dont see wholesale retirements and obama will be so weakened even palin will beat him if she were nominated.
riots to follow because this is only the first step.
btw this deal(something close) is already done.
I get so sick of this attitude. Doesn’t anybody ever read history? A fundamental change in the way society views these issues is inevitable. The only question is when, how and what the trigger will be. The MOTU always go too far and the people always smack them back down, only the details differ. Human nature is human nature and things haven’t suddenly changed because you’ve started paying attention.
Will Baucus bring a high-paid girlfriend/assistant with him to the non-elected super-committee? When running health care “reform”, Baucus didn’t seem to push for the best way for Americans to buy health insurance. He actually seemed to twist arms in the opposite direction–against Americans—giving our guns-to-our-heads premium profits to the private insurance guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if Baucus’ signature is hidden away in a safe, too.
I am hearing rumblings from people… but I won’t hold my breath that US citizens can be sufficiently awakened to do much of anything except click the clicker. Hope I’m wrong…
Thanks, Margaret. I hope you’re right. Sometimes I feel a bit despondent and mimic (see above) what was said. Good to have you around to remind me of that.
Hope your job is going well…
Violence is never the answer. The British people are not gonna put up with kids burnin’ their cities down. The people really hurt by this are the people whose living places have been destroyed and the small shopkeepers. You know as well as I do that any who were lucky enough to have insurance are gonna have to fight for who knows how long for every fuckin’ penny. Meanwhile, everything they owned in the world is gone. The insurance cos will stiff rich and poor alike but the poor can ill afford it. And for what? Who’s going to gain from all this? The oligarchs. The violence will bring more police repression. London’s had surveillance cameras all over the place for years, more each year. Sure, start burnin’ shit down and bring the heat down on everybody even harder. Great strategy.
One more thing. The police here are a lot more trigger happy than the Bobbies.
This time when they are “slapped down” it will be critical to make sure they stay down.
Won’t take long with a kitten. ‘Specially a little female.
The cuts in the social safety net haven’t hit yet. A year ago the British went on an austerity kick and the population is just waking up to what it means. Now you see rioting in Britian. Of course, the government response is to bring in more police and I would assume eventually the military.
Watch what happens in the US in about 1 year. Republicans will have no problem using the military to attack American citizens to “protect” America from a “small minority” of malcontents.
They’ll get the message if a mob storms the capital and strings up some of these bastards. This is how revolutions get started.
If enough elderly are forced to eat cat food due to more cuts rather than raised revenues, perhaps it would taste better with Heinz Ketchup.
When unemployment for men in the black community is close to 50% and when more and more “middle class” find themselves living in poverty an explosion is inevitable. The question as to strategy has to be, what will it take to burst the bubble of a corrupt political class and their complicit corporate media enablers? Petitions, phone calls, strongly worded letters have proven ineffective? Civil disobedience on a massive scale. General strike? When a political system no longer represents the needs of most of it’s citizens and only serves the needs of a small elite at some point something is going to erupt. As Margaret pointed out, history teaches that.
Tell that to the founding fathers. You can’t reason with people that feel they don’t have to worry about those at the bottom. For thirty years the corporations and the rich have sucked the life out of the middle class and the poor believing there would be no consequences.
OT
But can FDL put up Dylan’s rant from his show today? It was epic and true and needs to go viral. thanks
They won’t but it will be up to the next generation or the one after to slap them down again when needed.
I second SD. Violence is never the answer. Sometimes it happens but that doesn’t ever mean it should have. People who haven’t seen large scale violence have no real clue what it’s like.
Either Senate Democrats are the worst bunch of losers this side of the Washington Generals, or they’re in on the fix and rewarding Max Baucus for gutting anything resembling a progressive health care bill.
I can hardly wait for next appeal for funds from the DSCC (fortunately I won’t have to wait very long) so I can give that crowd a piece of my mind.
while I agree, sometimes it is necessary. just ask the founding fathers
Simpson-Bowles always seemed to be the consensus goal being pushed by media and the Overclass, regardless of whether the committee could reach a super-majority agreement.
Further, the more resistance there is to Simpson-Bowles, whether in the Government or among the public, the harsher the imposition of Simpson-Bowles threatens to be; movement, such as there is, can only be to the “right”.
It’s a terrific Ratchet Effect from which there seems to be no escape.
Reid is on to Obama’s game – preemptive unconditional surrender.
The stench is overwhelming.
I like the Kerry signal too — appointing someone who has already proven he can lead the Democratic Party to defeat.
Well I guess we have our answer from the Democrats with Baucus on the committee. What the hell is it with Democrats they can’t draw lines in the sand like the rabid GOP. Of course you know Baucus is easy pickins for the GOP. Don’t sleep on Kerry or Murray either, they’ve both shown their willingness to play ball with the President and the GOP, let’s not forget Obama still wants the Grand Bargain. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE’RE SCREWED!
It’s only “necessary” when you have to respond to a violent attack with violence. It’s never necessary to start the violence.
Kerry is what Horace Rumpole, the fictional British barrister, calls “a safe pair of hands”: a lawyer who’s well-bred, well-regarded in the profession, and a veteran of many years’ service. So what if he loses trial after trial and his clients wind up having a date with the hangman? He loses with dignity.
Reid appears to be offering to raise the Medicare eligibility age to 100.
With dignity and class and a billionaire wife.
When Obama
decided to runannounced in 08, were anyone’s hosannas louder than Kerry’s? I include anyone named Kennedy in that:I believe Kerry knocked several people over to jump on the bandwagon early.
I expect another terrific day on Wall Street with the announcement of Harry The Wimp’s picks. What it means is no tax increases and I wouldn’t be surprised if they repealed Dodd-Frank.
How about making them all wear coveralls a la NASCAR drivers, with patches that denote their sponsors/employers.
But only for those centenarians who provide at least half the support for their still-living parents.
Wow, the same Patty Murray who got caught begging for money from teabaggers?
http://my.firedoglake.com/jest/2011/07/07/dems-hit-new-low-dscc-begs-koch-brothers-for-cash-and-get-denied/
Yeah, this is going to work out swell.
Well, since they have pre-surrendered, I shall declare my pre-resistence to the terms.
Let me guess. Slashing Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid while making sure taxes are only required from people who have no income or wealth.
Vote NO in 2012.
Kibble ‘n Bits, and who is the third one’s name?
Occupy DC starting Oct. 6.. Be Peaceful, but Be There..
Here’s how this goes down. The bill that comes out of committee will have no revenues. It will be all cuts. No new cuts in defense. The bulk of the cuts will come from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. These will affect everyone and not just those under 55. Notice how this has been forgotten during the debt ceiling fight.
The House passes this along party lines. The Senate passes this with a bare majority. Senators up for reelection will be allowed to vote as they see fit. A lot of screaming and yelling from the progressive caucus, but in the end. Obama signs it calling it “bipartisan” and tell Americans “it is necessary and we must put this behind us”. “It now allows us to fully concentrate on improving the economy”, he will say.
The only way the Big 3 can be gutted is by a Democratic President and this one is determined to do it. I say don’t get mad, get even and don’t vote for the bastard. He’ll have to live with the fact that he will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever.
“the people always smack them back down”
I wish that was true in the past and hope it is true in the future.
My read back in the 40′s and 50′s was that the MOTU do anything they wish provided no member of the club mounts a revolt, while the rest of the universe adjust to their new situation and learn how easy it is to be serene and happy as you starve/adjust to your new standard of living. The last 60 years have not changed my read of the human serf situation. I had hope for unions, but expected Reagan’s actions and their results.
Mike Moore’s rich movie actor for president idea is hopeful – but today I am just reading a sellout. A sellout that may turn out to be a step to far, perhaps, but I expect the sellout.
Those aren’t coveralls, they’re fire suits — which will also be appropriate when the fires start around the capitol.
We’re effing doomed.
This is a rerun of the German enabling committees of the 30′s but it will work out great this time.
“He’ll have to live with the fact that he will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever.”?
Clarence Thomas is honored at Howard University, just about annually – Obama can depend on “Group loyalty”, and the loyalty of the GOP (AND DEM) MOTU. The rich seem quite capable of living on that. And the MOTU write the text books – so I doubt he will even get much bad press by the academics.
You have to frame the debate so JOe sixpack can understand re SS cuts, etc.
Last night on the local CBS affiliate here (the bay area) they were doing a story on the stock market diving due to the deficit. Re the deficit, they said the US’s largest creditor was China bla bla bla …
How Untrue. The US’s largest creditor is in fact the SOCIAL SCURITY TRUST FUND. 1/3 to 1/2 half of our deficit is due this fund.
Thusly, if haircuts are in order for creditors of the deficit, need to point out if SS get cut then do the Chinese, Japanese, T-Bill holders get to share in same cuts as well???
It does represent the whitest america now doesn’t it.
barry will take care of the blacks though ha ha ha ha
Too expensive for people living solely on SocSec to send cat food tins. Heavey. And cat is continually going up in price.
Maybe labels? But, still, too expensive.
None of the three are up for re-election in 2012, perhaps the most important characteristic qualifying them for the position
Obama is up for relection is 2012 I will not vote for him…also eventhough Kerry, Bauccus and Murray are not up for relection their vote will not be forgotten
Make that “so-called Democratic president.” Obama is no more a Dem than I am a Republican. However, I couldn’t play one in campaigns as Obama did play at being a Democrat.
BTW — just checked: as of last August (year ago) Kerry was the richest member of Congress, with a net worth north of $180 mil.
Trudy Lieberman (no relative) wrote about Holy Joe Lieberman’s attempt to get increased out of pocket costs for Medicare recipients written into the debt ceiling legislation. It wasn’t added.
I have a feeling he’ll do much better with the Committee of the Twelve Caesars. He often acts as Obama’s stalking horse.
Holy Joe believes seniors go to their doctors too much and he wants to make it more expensive for seniors to see doctors, so he wants to raise the out of pocekt costs to up to $3,750 before Medicare kicks in for anything. He also wants an excise tax on supplemental plans which cover the 20% Medicare doesn’t cover.
He said that if they have to pay more, they’ll go less often and save Medicare all that money. Damn, Holy Joe is a Hurry Up and Die type, too! Why didn’t he just switch to the Repub Party?
Isn’t it lovely he had Obama’s support against his Dem challenger?
Yet another reason to hope that the Democratic Party dries up, blows away, and clears the field for a truly progressive party.
it’s on his website here:
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/09/dylan-ratigan-mad-as-hell-his-epic-network-moment/
The people of Western Washington won’t forget what Murray does.
Dunno ’bout that. I got a nice little female about 15 months ago to keep my then 11yo female company. They are Not Friends. They do, pretty much, tolerate each other, and have the occasional boxing match or hissfest. They also, occasionally, play together. That’s been happening slightly more often, so maybe Marlowe is getting used to Nani Wai, and maybe Nani Wai has figured out she gets her own special attention. I’d do it over again, btw.
Exactly right. Start writing LTE asking why the government will pay off the bonds held by Chinese, but won’t pay back IOUs held by American workers. Write that, and Joe Sixpack will start figuring it out real fast.
BTW, RichardCA, do you have a link?
The bad thing about these picks is they are all defense (spending) hawks.
I feel the trigger would be the best possible outcome, this will make that outcome more difficult.
But at least it wasn’t Conrad or Warner or Durbin.
“Gotta get down to it ,soldiers are gunning us down shoulda been done long ago “—— Neil Young 1970 ” Ohio”
“All now proceeded to entangle the entire area ” David Crosby ” Almost Cut My Hair ”
“Stop say whats that sound every body look whats going down ” Steve Stills Buffalo Springfield
Remember those long haired , pot smoking demonstrators who said hell no we won’t go ? it took 50,000 KIA in RVN , but that shit came to an end It can be done just gotta get down to it.
Look, you firedogs need to put some offensive weaponry up in the lighthouse
, pad the knowledge box so to speak ! the system is rigged ! Who woulda thunk it ?
I recomend the following :
” The Lugano Report ” by Susan George pub in 1999
Chomsky says ” with acid wit and somber truths , The Lugano Report brilliantly portrays a world that may be heading for deep trouble ”
its 2011 its just about here !
“Unequal Freedoms : the Global Market as an Ethical System “, John McMurtry Prof of Philosophy and memeber of the Canadian Royal Society.
Are there no truths in these observations ? Seek truth ! Awaken !
THE PRICE OF APATHY IS TO BE RULED BY EVIL MEN — PLATO
It ain’t me,
it ain’t me.
I ain’t no millionaire’s son.
It ain’t me,
it ain’t me.
I ain’t no fortunate one.
Some folks inherit
star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war.
And when you ask them,
“How much should we give?”
They only answer “More! More! More!”
Creedence Clearwater Revival Fortunate Son Lyrics
It ain’t me,
it ain’t me.
I ain’t no millionaire’s son.
It ain’t me,
it ain’t me.
I ain’t no fortunate one.
Some folks inherit
star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war.
And when you ask them,
“How much should we give?”
They only answer “More! More! More!”
Creedence Clearwater Fortunate Son
Don’t forget it was Obama who CREATED the catfood commission. It was his idea, not the Republicans.
Funny it was Conrad who took the first hostage for the Catfood Commission … how soon we forget.