The Wisconsin recall elections actually aren’t over. Because of the timing of some challenges to petition filings, all of the recalls did not happen on the same day. Instead the elections against Republican state Senators were split from the elections against Democratic state Senators. There were initially three recalls against Democrats, but in the race against Sen. Dave Hansen, the Republicans’ preferred candidate was disqualified for not having enough valid signatures to get on the ballot. This left only one challenger to Hansen, and so the general recall election was held back in July, with Hansen winning easily. So there are only two races left tomorrow, against Democratic Senators Jim Holperin and Robert Wirch.
PPP polled the races and found both Democrats in decent shape.
SD-22:
Robert Wirch (D-inc): 55
Jonathan Steitz (R): 42
Undecided: 3
(MoE: ±2.9%)
SD-12:Jim Holperin (D-inc): 55
Kim Simac (R): 41
Undecided: 4
Holperin is seen as more threatened because of the makeup of the district, which is not dissimilar to districts where Republican incumbents won last week. But Simac is more of a wild-card candidate, a Tea Partier who could not name a single piece of legislation that she supports or opposes, as of just a few DAYS ago. And incumbency does have its advantages.
Hopefully this will hold. These recalls have been daunting for polling operations, because turnout is a great unknown. However, PPP pretty much nailed all of last week’s recalls, so their track record is pretty solid. If they are right again, then the final tally of the Wisconsin recalls will be Dems plus-2, and a very closely divided state Senate. After that, the state moves on, and the youth/labor/progressive movement probably moves to recall Scott Walker, and perhaps other Republicans in less favorable terrain:
At that point, Democrats should consider further recalls early next year, when the Republicans first elected (or re-elected) in 2010 will be eligible. The playing field will be much more advantageous to us, since that batch of GOP-held seats contains a bunch that are bluer than most of those we contested this year, and it also includes a boatload of freshmen swept in on last year’s red tide. We’ll also only need one seat rather than three, and it’s hard to see any of our remaining seats being vulnerable. (My understanding is that recalls would be held under the old district lines, rather than the new maps the legislature just passed and Gov. Scott Walker just signed.)
I don’t know if the Senate will be contested in this way. To truly overturn the Walker agenda, you need all three branches. The Assembly would be available for recall as well by January, but at that point, they’ll all up for re-election in November. I suppose that if you wanted to contest using the old district lines, you could go for it, but with the actual election in November the results would be short-lived. Plus it seems very messy. The recall of Walker is probably the big target here.





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Thanks very much, hope it holds.
Rick Snyder in Michigan has been more moderate. I don’t agree with everything he’s doing by any means and I didn’t vote for him, but some of what he is doing makes sense. I only mention it because some people accuse Snyder of doing the same thing Walker is doing, by stealth. He set up an emergency manager law that can be used to void union contracts if a municipality declares an emergency, or a bankruptcy. The manager can also propose a millage or bond if he deems fit: I don’t know that I agree with that, but at some point resident taxpayers need to have control over their budget. If no one can void a union contract, even after an emergency is declared, then that means a union can really hold a city hostage if local leaders are not willing to stand up to them, or are in fact in bed with them. The situation is very bad in some places: in Pontiac, for example, the police department was disbanded for lack of money. Now the county sheriff does patrols there.
Thanks, David. Those are great numbers and lots of future possible direct actions after that. There was absolutely no need to be discouraged about last week’s results – even if they had been less good!
You’re right. Every action starts with the first step and Wi was a good one.
Is it possible to recheck last weeks votes?
I am still amazed that the repugs won that. I’m thinking the black boxes took it for them.
The good news is that I’ll be willing to bet that some of these Democrats finally learn that it’s behaving like liberals, not conservatives, that has served them in this case. It would be nice but a little much to expect that the DC Vichycrats will take that lesson as well.
WHAT HAPPENED IN WISCONSIN? WE DON’T KNOW, AND THAT’S NOT GOOD
Sure Looks like the Republicans are rigging the vote count… Read more at the link!!
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
I would like to offer an observation on the ground here in Cheeseland. First of all, the recall movement has grown in a number of directions at the same time and the priorities will vary from place to place and political subdivision to political subdivision. The various efforts can, I believe, be summed up in the following: 1.local orgainizing for city council, mayor and school boards. 2.County commisioner races 3.Democratic Party building at the county level particularly in red Senate and assembly districts. 4. orgainizing for the recall of Governor Walker from both within the local Democratic Party structures and among the battle hardened extra-party organizations that have been left behind by the union and PAC organizers who are off on their career building missions.
All of the local organizing and election efforts are going on at the same time that people are gearing up for the next big fight which, I believe, will be the fight to organize the governor recall in January against a lot of resistance from political party bosses and the usual suspects in the national Democratic Party leadership.
This is a very exciting time to be a political resistance fighter in the state of Wisconsin and all I can really tell you is that EVERYone who has been part of this movement up to this point is learning while movin’ as fast as we can. Shit, it stinks bein old around all these :kids”…but I guess I gotta consider the alternative.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE’S WORK FOR EVERYONE…JUST NO PAYCHECK!!
Indeed and it’s great to have someone there on the ground to keep us informed about the passion and the power of the people. I have a lot of hope in Wisconsin.
Those elections, (while I’m not disputing that your point may have merit), were extremely close, these are not. If they try to steal one of these, that may just be a bridge too far.
thanks for that. didn’t know you were in WI. ythanks because the day after the recent R recall elections I was bummed and considered it another progressive failure and everyone who tried to tell me otherwise was just kidding themselves. nice to be wrong
Afternoon Peg. How goes it my friend?
Yes they were close but sure didn’t jive with the exit polling, just like Ohio in 04. Seems real fishy to me it is real easy to fudge data on these Black Box voting. We should return to paper ballots and hand counting with monitors to make sure there is no hanky panky with the votes cast..
In Ca I think you can ask for a paper ballot. I’m sure it irritates the poll watchers but too bad.
I’ve said you may have a legitimate point. I wasn’t evaluating those races, just the two listed here.
We always vote by mail a week before the actual voting day.. And yes iirc you can ask for a paper ballot here in Ca but not sure about Wisconsin..
Seems to me beer farts and a flame thrower could be a volatile, dangerous combination.
Are you sure its a good thing for each of you to post on the same thread?
ROFLMAO!!!!
Great one badger great one!!
Excellent post cal222. I am glad to see that I am not the only one on this board who is not completely in thrall to the public employee unions.
I was sorry to hear about the disbanding of the Pontiac polce. We had a situation last year in my hometown,Fair Lawn,NJ.The Council told the 58 member PD to accept 5 unpaid furlough days or 6 cops would be laid off. The majority in the union rejected the council’s offer so they laid off the 6 cops with the least seniority.By the way,patrolman make $106,000 a year when they reach the maximum of the salary scale after about 6 or 7 years,not quite sure.And this is in a community which is solidly middle class with a low crime rate.
You are SOOOOO RIGHT!!!! I just hope no BS takes place in this re-call election. Everyone is saying it’s a safe bet on Dems winning, let’s all remember how that Supreme Court vote went…
I hope those poll numbers hold!
Team trolling ~ now that’s a new one.