
I’ve been writing about the invisible town hall revolution, where dozens of conservative members of Congress have been bombarded by ordinary citizens delivering progressive messages. This actually started after the passage of the Paul Ryan budget in the spring, and some members have figured out methods to deal with it. Some do only tele-town halls. Some throw out “disruptive” constituents asking the wrong questions. Some screen the questions. Some hold no town halls altogether. Some stack town halls with loyal constituents. And now, Paul Ryan and friends have hit on a new approach – charge money for the town hall meeting.
It will cost $15 to ask Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) a question in person during the August congressional recess.
The House Budget Committee chairman isn’t holding any face-to-face open-to-the-public town hall meetings during the recess, but like several of his colleagues he will speak only for residents willing to open their wallets [...]
Rep. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.) is scheduled to appear Aug. 23 at a luncheon gathering of the Arizona Republican Lawyers Association. For $35, attendees can question Quayle and enjoy a catered lunch at the Phoenix office of the Snell & Wilmer law firm.
And Rep. Chip Cravaack (R-Minn.) took heat in Duluth this weekend for holding private events in his district’s population and media center — including a $10-per-head meeting hosted next week by the local chapter of the National Federation of Independent Businesses, which on its invitation notes that the organization “supported Chip in his stunning upset over long time Congressman Jim Oberstar in the 2010 election.”
Americans have a Constitutional right to petition their government for a redress of grievances. That doesn’t only apply to lobbyists, and it doesn’t come with an cost attached to invoke that right.
It’s really no surprise that Ryan is taking the lead on this. He was battered at town halls back in April, and clearly doesn’t appreciate taking the heat. So it’ll cost you. And I’d predict that those motivated to pay will be those in support of Ryan and his goals. What’s more, outsourcing events to third parties probably sets up rules like not allowing video recording.
Democratic Party of Wisconsin spokesman Graeme Zelinski got in a good line:
“Paul Ryan has had a hard time going before open crowds, and for good reason,” Zielinski said. “I’m sure Ryan doesn’t want to go before the public to explain while his extreme ideology caused Standard & Poor’s to downgrade U.S. long-term treasury bonds. Beside, Ryan likes smaller settings — the kind where you can cozy up to a hedge fund manager and get a good $350 bottle of wine.”
Hey, at least Ryan and his Republican friends are boosting the economy.




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So, now they are charging an “access tax” to avoid open governance? Seems that this is imposed without taxpayer consent.
I see, it is NOT liberty for all.
A timeless document…
Does Ryan plan to keep the money? If not, where does it go?
This will help Mr. Ryan avoid the riffraff who can’t afford to pay a fee to meet their ‘democratically’ (cough, cough) elected representative. Of course, he doesn’t actually represent anyone other than his campaign contributors, now does he?
You got that one right! No citizen should ever have to pay access fees to their own employees. Me thinks the man forgets whom he works for.
It is a TAX! A tax on “FREE” speech at a public event held by a publicly paid “public servant”. Ryan taxes citizens for exercising their rights.
I have already contacted Office of Congressional Ethics (via phone and then filed complaint via link for “Public Input”.
http://oce.house.gov/
I have also called ryan’s offices – I hope others will consider taking the same steps:
CONSTITUENT HOTLINE: 1-888-909-RYAN (7926)
*
Washington, DC office
1233 Longworth HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-3031
Fax: (202) 225-3393
*
Janesville office
20 South Main Street, Suite 10
Janesville, WI 53545
Toll-Free: 1-888-909-RYAN (7926)
Phone: (608) 752-4050
Fax: (608) 752-4711
*
Kenosha office
5455 Sheridan Road, Suite 125
Kenosha, WI 53140
Phone: (262) 654-1901
Fax: (262) 654-2156
*
Racine office
216 6th Street
Racine, WI 53403
Phone: (262) 637-0510
Fax: (262) 637-5689
Exactly – and I stressed that when I contacted sources above. I hope others around the ‘bloggosphere choose to do the same.
~peace
Well the question is will there be a backlash with his supporters?
In these economic times, many are hurting. Some will be his supporters. Will they be OK with questions of their reps only if they can pay?
Honestly, I’m not sure these folks have thought this through. This has the potential for major backlash by his own supporters.
Hey, those lobbyists have to pay a whole lot more than $15 to talk to Ryan. I bet he charges $1000 for 15 minutes.
What, you say that would be illegal? Then why isn’t this?
And as David points out, at a private venue all bets are off as far as being able to videotape, and I imagine rent-a-cops will be plentiful.
It’s consistent with the Republican belief that you have only as many rights as you can afford to pay for. But let’s face it, people have had to pay for access to Congress for some time. They’re just not normally so blatant about it.
Yes Ryan is doing this because his district is not the kind of place I think you can even find a bottle of wine for $350 a bottle.
I think I will start selling my vote. Congress has been doing it for years.
It’s really no surprise that Ryan is taking the lead on this. He was battered at town halls back in April, and clearly doesn’t appreciate taking the heat.
If he’s too much of a candy-ass little bitch to take questions from his constituents, then he shouldn’t be in Congress. Piece of shit, elitist prick.
Paul Ryan, 15 Buck F@#k
His “supporters” at this point, largely support his economic terrorism.
He is the most toxic man in DC at this point and if we carry the message, he will never be sent back in 2012 and any aspirations of being fraudulently hoisted onto the public as the next ronnie raygun have been thoroughly crushed.
He also has an ayn rand problem. Please contact the diocese in Madison (Biship Molino – very conservative “by the book”).
I have it directly from the Bishop’s top assistant that he went to school with the author of the article linked to above. He knows that woman, knows she is a solid journalist, and his office has been fully informed on this outrageous hypocrisy.
Ryan promotes a woman that specifically said the religion, the bible, Christianity, and the Catholic Church itself are evil. He does this via a global platform that results from his Senate position.
Ted Kennedy’s son was excommunicated for much less than this – ryan tells voters he is a Christian in good standing with the Catholic Church, yet he actively worships a woman that would destroy it! (clearly against Catholic Doctrine)
Diocese of Madison
Bishop O’Connor Catholic Pastoral Center
702 South High Point Road
P.O. Box 44983
Madison, WI 53719
Phone: 608-821-3000; Fax: 608-821-4552
His constituents should charge him to hold office! Oh, and to pay for the mess he has made in the state!
The way this should be handles is to cut his salary by the amount he collects as fees for his constituents asking him questions. Anything he gains from these fees should be taken out of his pay.
Oh, the ironies! I wonder how many of those “sharp lawyers” were wearing the dreaded tassled loafers. (:>
Well said.
Anybody spotted those Ordinary Americans on Obama’s bus tour? Is anyone asking him about oil company subsidies? Or Social Security? Or War and Peace? Or Habeas Corpus? Or anything?
And then stick his nose in his poop and swat him with a rolled up copy of the constitution!
Thanks for this contact information.
I hope everyone making or reading comments utilizes this.
Come to think of it… this would make an interesting story for Main Stream Media.
http://skydancingblog.com/2011/07/10/some-juicy-gossip-about-rep-paul-ryan/
http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/2749480/SWIB-Commits-600M-To-AQR-Bridgewater.html?ArticleId=2749480
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/02/17-0
I am in WI and have been doing a great deal to fight the economic terrorism even before scott walker “dropped the bomb” after the superbowl.
The state’s school district superintendents were all given a “head up” at the 2010/2011 convention, so “the bomb” was actually leaked to some people that clearly planned to exploit it.
I have contacted the AP press people in Madison and Milwaukee about many related issues (but not paul ryan) and have found they tell me they are interested, but this must be where stories go to die.
The papers in Madison, Milwaukee, and every other city are repug rags – don’t expect the story to be carried there. Radio and TV? FORGET IT – the landscape is even worse there. A tabloid in Madison will run with some of this soon.
If anyone can help get the story out – please do. Our democracy, fully on its last legs anyhow, cannot function if the public is kept ignorant of issues like this.
While I understand the frustration of folks that ponder why so many Wisconsinites (and others) repeatedly vote against their best interest, it is more helpful to just accept that “there is work to be done” and important messages to carry.
WE CAN BEAT THESE CORRUPT SCUMBAGS! but it will take more work. Here is the contact info for WI AP reporters (I will probably choose not to contact them about this story, need to follow up on the others I have shared):
AP Office Madions
608.255.3679
AP Office Milwaukee
414.225.3580
AQR Capital: +27.3%. Cliff Asness’ firm saw solid returns last year in its macro strategy.
Read more: http://www.marketfolly.com/2011/01/2010-hedge-fund-returns-performance.html#ixzz1VDSpcdfM
http://www.marketfolly.com/2011/01/2010-hedge-fund-returns-performance.html
AQR was doing better than the market average but it was nowhere near the best
r.
Ryan has to avoid his voters to explain why he is having drinks with second raters who got to manage Wisconsin’s Pension cash after the state cut pension benefits?
Did AQR get the contract because they got Ryan drunk?
But apparently they can charge a fee.
LOL! Yep!
I have a special recipe for Pine Tar if anyone needs it.
This is blatant “gov’t for the rich” and I suppose it’s legal. Although it is about as immoral as you can get.
I wouldn’t pay $15 or even one dollar to listen to some lying politician speak. I do think some of his supporters will object.
http://skydancingblog.com/2011/07/10/some-juicy-gossip-about-rep-paul-ryan/
I thought the name Fama was familiar I took down the father of modern finance in one of my first diaries here:)
Snoopy Dance !
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2008/11/07/wingnut-welfare-for-the-chicago-school-of-economics/
Just read the article and here’s how Ryan is doing it. The event is a Rotary Club luncheon, not a public town hall. Rotary Club lunches always cost money since they have to cover the lunch.
I don’t have a problem with a Rotary Club charging for attending their luncheons since they do that regardless of who their speaker happens to be. What is actually more disturbing is that Ryan has no actual town halls schedule during the break.
I wonder what the apoplectic “WHERE’S MY TOWNHALL ???” guy from 2008 would say about this.
Nothing like a little moonshine … for going blind that is.
Poor folks in his district. May Dawg have mercy on their lives, because Ryan will not.
Thanks for the info.
Interesting analysis.
Sadly I must disagree. The church is about money. So is Ryan. They’re on the same page. Despite Rand’s penchant against the church, no way Ryan would endorse it. Who else would help make people ignorant enough to vote for him. Who else will literally tell their parishioners to vote for him.
They’re all in bed together worshiping the almighty dollar.
He has none because they are now paid events at rotary club and, even worse, this group is likely to funnel funds back to him directly or indirectly.
Wow!
That be some impressive work.
Respect and admiration.
I am NOT trying to say this is about integrity of church and I understand your point too.
Yes, ryan probably give oodles of money to the diocese and local parish to stay in their good grace.
My point is that if the church had any integrity (and they appear to be showing here they don’t and don’t care if we know it) then they would not allow a Senator to exploit his Christianity and participation in a local (he lives in Janesville) parish while promoting the idea that the bible and belief in Christ itself is evil.
We don’t really have any disagreement here – this post isn’t meant as an attack, just clarification.
~peace
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/On-Retirement/2011/08/04/flawed-investing-is-depleting-pension-assets
Why even bother paying a mutual fund like Dimensional Fund Advisors fees much less paying AQR for fees when a small cap strategy can beat the market average and be followed by just about anyone?
AQR seems to invest in large caps which are undervalued now…if you believe their numbers but in general small caps beat large caps?
Why is Ryan having drinks with these losers who are now raking big fees handling Wisconsin’s pension fund?
Hedge funds get paid big fees regardless of performance and if their profit is not enough to cover their fee they go after your principle.
You might consider promoting a WI people’s campaign where the media is attacked at its ad dollars/sponsors because of their continued support of Ryan/GOP and ignoring progressive issues, et.
This type of action has proven successful in removing some on air personalities in places . . . I believe it’s Spocko who was heavily involved in this type of action? An FDL regular, whom ever it was. Good work!
Windtalker at Koz had some fun with Ryan at his last town hall if Ryan was getting tough questions in Waterford before the cuts in SS and Medicare and Waterford is a town where they have Confederate Flags in their 4th of july parade then imagine how tough the questions will be now:)
Actually, Ryan’s Parish and Ryan are perfect for each other. It’s St. John Vianney in Janesville.
John Vianney was an ascetic and preached austerity.
Good times!
Thanks :)
Reps don’t have to meet with constituents, or host town hall meetings. I don’t think my local rep, Elton Gallegly (CA 24) has met anybody but donors in the last several years. When he has an event, it’s by invitation only. If the local Rotary Club hosted a lunch and charged $15, that’d be a lot more access than we’ve had to our Congressional representative. It’s annoying, but he keeps getting re-elected by wide margins, so it must not bother most people.
We’ll see what happens under the redistricting. But if Gallegly retires, it’s not for lack of votes in his current district.
IMHO, what needs to be done is establishment of tabloids in key communities – alternative newspapers (which would have websites with streaming video too).
This could actually be a fund raiser for groups like ONE WISCONSIN and WE ARE WISCONSIN, but I don’t seem to get anywhere talking to them.
If we could at least get news into underserved communities, we might be able to force the repug rags to provide some coverage too.
Don’t let anyone fool you, print can be very profitable and, in this case, we would just need to cover costs – we are not talking about creating a media empire that would be sold to gannet!
It costs about $135 to print 1000 tabloids and the cost goes down per 1000. When traditional newspapers complain about falling circulation, it is always due to the fact that they have become propaganda rags and have no integrity to their former customer base – it has nothing to do with competition from the ‘net or bloggers.
A community newspaper could be distributed FREE, fully paid for by advertisers from trade unions and businesses that acknowledge we need to grow jobs to grow demand and close deficits.
The online Web could have embedded videos and extend content just like many blogs do – all content that would not cost an additional dime to link to, embed.
It was kind of disappointing to watch We Are Wisconsin immediately close doors in communities after recall – they stated that they were there for “the long haul” when they opened those offices. There is more work to be done, sadly, any one of us cannot do the heavy-lifting by ourselves.
He has no town hall meetings scheduled because he has chosen to have none. Rotary lunches are not town hall meetings. They are two completely seperate things.
damn – no wonder the bishop’s assistant literally refuses to return my phone calls!
Ryan promotes a serial killer groupie.
The best way to get to the bottom of Ayn Rand’s beliefs is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation — Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street — on him.
What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: “Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should,” she wrote, gushing that Hickman had “no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel ‘other people.’”
http://www.alternet.org/story/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killer?page=entire
You’re right Ryan is not required to hold Town Hall meetings but I agree that he should. Just like any congresscritter should. The Rotary Club hosts a luncheon every week and there’s a different speaker.
They guy I talked to in office of ethics did not fully support that idea, but you may have a legit point.
Ryan is just another Goldman Sachs point man. Ryan fawned all over the US “Super Congress” the second the law was shoved through by the corporate-controlled party leadership. Now a new Eurozone central government? Hmmm …
http://bloggingblue.com/2011/06/24/the-most-unpopular-politician-in-america-award-goes-to/
Ryan went from being mentioned as a possible VP by the Media because of his plan but when people heard of his plan he became the most unpopular politician who still has a job in America.
Newt and Sarah score lower but neither have a job.
I am kicking myself for not seeing the obvious when your poll numbers are that low the best thing to do is hide or save a baby from a fire.
Did not fully support what idea, badger? That Ryan has no Town Halls scheduled or that Rotary Clubs are not Town Halls?
Reps don’t have to have public meetings but if they want higher public office and higher voter turnout assuming they have ideas the public likes and can handle tough questions then yes they have to do public meetings it was not that many months ago Ryan was talked about as the GOP’s VP candidate.
Given his poll ratings now this is a huge comedown.
You obviously have not read the post that this thread follows nor have seen/accept what the outrage is based on. If you want to say “nothing to see here”, your choice and I won’t even call you a troll!
The concerns expressed here and the basis of my complaint have nothing to do with the 2 assertions you have just made (despite your repeated attempt to proclaim otherwise).
If you choose not to read the above post and/or choose to disregard the areas that people have legitimate concerns over, that does not undermine nor refute our concerns.
And frankly, it makes you appear to be a troll that just wants to take the dialog in a different direction (but I won’t proclaim you one, each visitor here can decide for themselves).
But so be it – done answering you challenges because anyone that reads the post and the thread will clearly see you refuse to engage in a discussion on the merits of the original post nor the many comments that support it or bring new information to the table.
You mean other than the fact that Ryan has zero Town Halls scheduled? How many times do I need to say that’s an issue?
The issue here IS Town Halls and the lack thereof
Ease up people its great to speculate on the numerous reasons a politician who once was so fake popular in the media is now afraid of giving town halls. Sure he does not have to but given his taste for the limelight we know he wants to and not giving town halls not being talked about as VP must be killing him:)
I count this as a victory lap if a GOPer is afraid to speak in Waterford then the GOP is very unpopular.
Ah but is he afriad to speak or is he afraid what others have to say??????
Ryan represents Wisconsin’s 1st Congressional district. It includes Kenosha County, Racine County and most of Walworth County, as well as portions of Rock County, Waukesha County and Milwaukee County. Its 670,000 residents are 90% white and have a median income of $50,000. Now how smart do you really think the majority of voters there are considering everything Paul Ryan stands for is directly contrary and detrimental to their economic interests yet they elected him anyway? If that fact doesn’t make any difference to those people what makes you think the fact that he is charging $15 per question at his town hall meetings will?
There is work to be done, but this has gotten local and national attention and that is all that matters.
Some want to make it about something else, dismissing out of hands legit questions that have been raised here and in other venues.
The fact there is a robust dialog here is helpful, but proclaiming that “there’s nothing to see here” flies in the face of the fact it has generated a dialog in WI, DC, and the nation.
Normally pieces of shit shrink with age. Ryan is a perfect example of a piece of shit that grows with age. It’s a TeaChoad phenomena I tell ya.
No he or she is not afraid Ryan is or was a GOP star he should be having Town Hall meetings sure he doesn’t have to but the fact he is not indicates he is unpopular and cuts in SS and Medicare which he pushed for are unpopular even is his district.
Their is a joke the most dangerous place to be in washington is between a politician and a camera.
Ryan running from making local news is news. Why he is running is the subject of this post.
I do not think your argument he does not have to have town hall meets holds up given his past town hall meets and national ambitions.
Unless your arguing Ryan never wanted the limelight in which case I would like to see some facts. Politicians especially those with the VP slot in mind love attention.
Another trick someone used here in NY was to meet with the press (editorial “lunch” with the local newspapers) separately from the announced meeting with constituents where the press were absent ( since they had already met with the Congress person before hand.) So citizens asked many insightful questions and received interesting answers which never were reported in the local newspapers. I think that we need a new local press to represent us.
A bit OT but.. my unsubscribe note to the DCC:
It’s not an argument that Ryan or indeed any congressperson does not have to hold Town Halls, it’s fact. they are not required to do so. Of course they SHOULD whether they are required to or not. Any decent congressperson is going to want to communicate with his or her constituents.
Ryan is not holding Town Halls because he doesn’t want any feedback from his constituents.
TCU, Jane warned this one. He is trolling for dollars. Won’t answer your questions. Just wants to hijack the post.
Leave it to the greedy Teabagger fucks to figure a way to make a buck off people’s frustration.
“First Eugene Fama, now John Cochrane, have made the claim that debt-financed government spending necessarily crowds out an equal amount of private spending, even if the economy is depressed”
Idiotic. A recession like we have right now is caused because there is not enough spending for goods and services, so people get laid off. If the private sector is not spending enough – and it isn’t – gov’t spending will take up the slack. The fact that it is “debt-financed” means nothing at all because gov’t is in debt to itself, in dollars. It has taken dollars out of one pocket and put it in another, but its net number of dollars remains the same. As soon as the economy gets going, if gov’t spending looks to “crowd out” private spending, which could lead to inflation, the gov’t can just move dollars out of the economy again.
Learn more at:
http://moslereconomics.com/
Asking for money to raise petitions is immoral, unethical besides being un-constitutional and it sets us on a slippery slope towards open and blatant pay for play behavior at every level of society. Representatives are supposed to set examples for others in the society to follow. They are supposed to be the best a constituency can send to the DC.
Let me give an example I read about Founding Fathers who were truly remarkable people with Pres. Thomas Jefferson becoming the best President we ever had till now in my opinion due to his intellect and love for democracy. Pres. Washington First President of our union chose to become President only two times even though he had popular support to run for third time, the reason for that being the following Presidents choose his example which became an unwritten law and never get Power to their heads and become dictators. This example was followed till FDR who had to face the worst war humanity ever saw and then after that we had an amendment. This is what I mean of setting an excellent example for others in society to emulate.
Sorry it took so long to reply.
I know. We’re cool. No misunderstandings.
I actually applaud your efforts and your info. Thank you and please continue.
Ayn Rand loves serial killer. Doesn’t that just get to the heart of what wingnuts are all about? Their policies are serial killers in slow motion (sometimes not so slow).
It is very disappointing about We Are Wisconsin. The kind of coalition they put together, union and non-union activists, seems like the way for progressives to go, now that the Dem Party has been taken over Big Money.
Your ideas for alternative papers sound excellent.
A lot of people wanted Washington to become king but he refused. With the Bush family we came damn close. With Jeb still on the loose, who knows? With the war powers and secrecy precedents that O inherited from George II and now has solidified, the next president will be perilously close to being able to proclaim a monarchy or dictatorship.
In my opinion Pres. Jefferson and Pres. Madison kept so many safe-guards in our constitution and Bill of rights it will be really difficult for any individual to even entertain such thoughts for generations to come. What we see is nibbling at our rights like TSA stuff we saw but that is human nature which will be corrected in the course of time.
we need 100 people here to sponsor VOCAL lefties to go to that lunch…im in for 15 bux
If anybody paid $15 to get a chance to petition Mr. Ryan please do report to House Ethics committee listed under Post # 5 to stop this un-constitutional & irresponsible race to the bottom.
Ah, but… if the $15 included all the rotten fruit you could throw plus tar and feathers — wouldn’t it be worth it?
If anyone wants to throw the 15 bucks away, be my guest, but you could just save the cash and call his offices and Ethics Office too.
That’s what I did.
One cannot complain on hear-say without verifying facts first-hand which is totally wrong to do. All that I am saying is if this true and if somebody wrote a $15 check for a chance to petition to their representative then they should call and report along with the personal details they have encountered. BTW things are at-least different for me in constituency. Couple of years I had to petition on a issue to my Rep without doing any of this $15 stuff and I saw that it got resolved in my case.
Town Hall vouchers anyone :-)
Maybe I should start charging a fee for preparing my federal tax return.
You cannot sponsor people to go to a Rotary Lunch, you have to be a Rotary Club member to attend their meetings. Or the guest of a member. I think there must be a number of folks here who do not know what the Rotary Club is. It’s a world-wide service organization but you have to join it. Their lunch speakers are frequently politicians, mayors, governors, school board types, but also business people.