The LA Times gets some more intelligence on what this September jobs package is going to be all about. And it includes one idea that, I think it’s fair to say, is finally a public works program:
The jobs package that President Obama plans to unveil shortly after Labor Day could include tens of billions of dollars to renovate thousands of dilapidated public schools and a tax break to encourage businesses to hire new workers, according to people familiar with White House deliberations [...]
“I like the optics of it,” said Jared Bernstein, a former administration economics advisor and a proponent of the school rehab program. “It’s the public school in your community, not a bunch of folks on a distant highway.”
Supporters estimate that each $1 billion in school construction work would generate up to 10,000 jobs. A $50-billion program, for example, would underwrite half a million jobs by that calculation.
The average U.S. school building is 40 years old, and many are suffering from neglect — poor ventilation, energy inefficiencies and mold. A report by the American Society of Civil Engineers in 2009 gave the nation’s public school facilities a D grade.
This appears not to have gone past the talking stage. But previously, FAST – short for Fix America’s Schools Today – has only been touted by former Administration officials like Bernstein. Essentially you’re paying unemployed workers to fix schools. Maybe under the Administration’s purview it would be a loan of money to some private company because otherwise there would be fear that the President would turn the school fixers into some private army, but barring that, it’s an honest-to-goodness public works program. And the schools angle has a tug-at-the-heartstrings quality to it. The next idea will be a plan to groom all of America’s puppies or something.
It’s important to note that the AFL-CIO came up with this idea in the fall of 2009, and they didn’t stop at schools. They sought public works funding to clean up dilapidated foreclosed properties, or to provide child care. Alan Grayson had a bill on a modern-day Civilian Conservation Corps. The difference was that the AFL-CIO and Grayson and the rest were proposing them AT A TIME THEY HAD A SHOT TO PASS, when the number of people to convince was far lower. They didn’t propose them as a stunt, to force Republicans to say no and then take the case to the public. There’s some value in that, of course. But after talking for 18 months about deficit reduction and how it, not public investment, is the road to economic growth and security, the public may not accept the argument the same way.
There’s also talk about state aid for teachers being a facet of the package. Again, a good idea, one that they actually did pass with the EduJobs bill in fall 2010. But clearly state budgets are still strained, and public sector job losses are a drag on the economy.
As for a jobs hiring tax credit, we have one. This may be a different one (apparently it’s a tax credit based on hiring year-over-year), but Chuck Schumer and Orrin Hatch passed a bill that reduced hiring expenses in early 2010. I haven’t seen any metrics on whether it worked, but needless to say, hiring didn’t exactly take off in the intervening years. It’s gone pretty much the way you’d expect, with or without a job hiring tax credit – modest growth in the private sector, offset by public sector losses.
The President wants to combine these job creation strategies with long-term deficit reduction, and he plans to submit them to the Catfood Commission II. This is actually no different than what was rumored in the grand bargain he tried to reach with John Boehner. There were reportedly extensions of the payroll tax cut in there, as well as unemployment insurance. Obama wants to pay for the up-front jobs measures with big cuts resembling his grand bargain proposals.
“My basic argument to them is this: We should not have to choose between getting our fiscal house in order, and jobs and growth,” Mr. Obama told an audience Wednesday in Atkinson, Ill., on the final day of his three-day bus tour through Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois.
As for deficit reduction, Mr. Obama suggested that he would call in his speech for the bipartisan 12-member Congressional committee that was created by his debt-reduction deal with Republicans this month to be more ambitious about deficit-reduction than its formal charge requires — including tax increases on the wealthy, which Republicans oppose.
“I’m going to make a presentation that has more deficit reduction than the $1.5 trillion that they’ve been assigned,” he said.
He said the ultimate goal should be $4 trillion in savings over 10 years. Counting the $1 trillion in cuts already agreed to in the debt-limit deal, that would suggest that the committee — and Mr. Obama — would have find $3 trillion more. But he will not seek that much.
So there’s some undefined deficit reduction package of between $1.5 trillion and $3 trillion, that would include most of the ideas from the grand bargain, with some revenues and some jobs ideas. But the jobs ideas aren’t mandated by the commission, and neither is any ratio of taxes to spending cuts. It just sets up where there’s a proposal given, it includes jobs and cuts and revenue, and everything gets thrown out but the cuts.
The President could of course say that he wouldn’t sign such a package. And he plans, according to these reports, not to negotiate with Republicans but to make the case to the public that they’re blocking progress. Given that the only things that have passed in this Presidency have been the result of intense negotiation, that means these are more political ploys than actual proposals. And again, it would have been nice to see public works ideas when they had a chance to pass.





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All talk and no action from the turn coat. It’s a drop in the bucket anyways.
OK so “a $50 billion program” would generate half a million jobs. But Obama likely won’t even get his piddling infrastructure bank at $30 billion funded by the Teabagger congress. There are 16 million unemployed (U6). 10 or more million at the least underemployed. Also, his Catfood II cuts will put more people on the streets without jobs. We’re about to find out what the Great Depression would have looked like if Hoover were elected for four terms.
$50,000,000,000/500,000 = $100,000
I am not going to say if that is appropriate or not, but will point out that the teabaggers will hang him on this.
Must be election time again! Time for Barry Obama to switch to his Community Organizer mode AKA Barack Obama. In that mode its still fall 2008. He awakens and the program he’s handed says talk JOBS for the plebs.
Obama was for creating 5 million new green jobs before he was against it.
Same President, different day.
Welcome back, Campaign Obama.
I’m all for it, but unfortunately I’m all out of hope.
Besides, how can he actually insert this type of program into the middle of an Austerity policy?
Another tax break? When do we just get around to paying them to pay us? Here’s a$100 tax credit Home Depot, now will you give me a $100 a week job?
Good question. Inquiring minds want to know!
The president is proposing to reduce deficits by spending money? It’s a campaign ploy.
But his oppenents will hang him on the math. A billion dollars “would generate up to 10,000 jobs. A $50-billion program, for example, would underwrite half a million jobs by that calculation.”
That’s over $100K per job — an expensive way to buy constructiuon worker votes, even for Washington.
Incidentally, construction costs in Afghanistan were $2B last fiscal year and $1.3B this fiscal year, a total of over ten percent of Afghanistan’s GDP. It’s “necessary.”
True but funny.
Also, love your pseudo. In fact, I might run get a lift from the youtube!
There’s overhead and rip-offs by the contractors-so the employees are not
going to get $100K each. Of course,there will be no additional employees
because as said here and elsewhere this is all words,political hype,etc
At least they came up with a catchy name. That, in the D context, represents progress.
Hoo-Ha!
“represents progress”
My friend, you are on top of it!
Start with everyone who’s currently getting an unemployment check. If you pay them to work cleaning school windows, they’re no longer unemployed.
50 billion is chump change but this normal, enough to make it sound good but not enough to do anything worth while. If 0 and friends can throw trillions away at ws then why not 1 trillion for schools and teachers?
And the GOP controlling the House purse strings is going to shout “frabjous day!” and go right along with this “socialist” policy?
Sounds like a case of road rage to me.
That would be wonderful. In fact, I would take the job. I am no longer on unempolyment, but still searching. Problem is, I keep running into the ads that say, “unemployed need not apply”.
What a crock!
School maintenance is important. Also useful would be billions to schools to hire tutors to work with students in preschool and elementary school who are struggling academically. This is the only way to ameliorate the educational effects of poverty (other than curing poverty) and would also save us money in the long run (less remedial costs later; better graduation rates; etc.).
They’re going to fix the schools but there won’t be any teachers in them, because the few remaining ones will be fired when Catfood II kicks in and guts state budgets. The shiny schools will be Potemkin Villages, with O standing in front of them doing a photo op. “I like the optics” says it all.
Sure does!
I wonder if the OFC is watching us today. I know we still have a good deal of fire in our bags. (smirk)
The builds will be done just in time to be given to charter schools for free. Just more hopey changey thingy.
I have to add to your eloquent comment.
It definitely would be a good photo op for Zero. We can all see how he is helping to further the NeoCons agenda of privatizing schools.
Milk? Water? Beer?
This jobs emphasis is all for show. If he has a plan, then out with it. No he wants to wait until after Labor Day. This President is so far out of touch. The optics of going on “vacation” while it looks like the economy is about to go in the tank is just plain stupid.
Like all things Obama, this plan will be calculated to do the least and offend no one. He needs to do something bold, but I don’t think there is a bold bone in this man’s body.
my bet?
obama gives the money to the republicans who were elected and says;
“please use this to rebuild your schools”
and they will use it to give “vauchers” for those rich enough to afford private school
I am laying 5 to one
the alternative;
the politician will award the contract in no bid form to the highest contributor to their re-election, or to their wifes brother’s company who never ever did construction before
Gonna pay them a living wage, neoliberal?
You may be right,but more likely obama “compromises” and shows “bipartisanship” by just calling private school vouchers part of his NEW AND IMPROVED PIVOT TO JOBS!
And the public infrastructure, including schools, will continue to deteriorate.
It appears obama’s role as the first African American president it to prove it is not just hoover/repugs that cuz the worse economic disasters in modern world history.
Lemme see now, Arnie Duncan wants to shift to charter schools so does that mean that Osterity is gonna give charter school companies taxpayer money to beautify their buildings and allow the public school buildings to rot where they stand?
DDay said it better than I.
Drag On.
Scarecrow and I were looking for a picture of a WPA school and we couldn’t find one. And then I thought “wait a minute, I went to a classic WPA high school.”
So yonder Roosevelt High School in Seattle in the photo above is my alma mater.
Both the Dow and Nasdaq have taken big dives today.
My new terminology for the Benito campaign stint is, “RE-Run”. Anybody may use it. I don’t have a patent on it./snark
It’s the same movie we saw before and are still watching. Don’t know about you, but I sure don’t want to see it again.
My comment stands and David can answer the same question.
The Stmulus included $100B for education, apparently with local decisions on how it was spent. Or mis-spent.
WOW, Jane! Good one. There are a lot of those schools in the Apalachian chain.
Superintendents and Administration was/is how it is spent.
I asked the same question up thread. Not seeing how it is going to fit into the Austerity plans.
Sounds like a softball pitch for DHS. The ‘optics’ will include cams everywhere. Toilet flush capture to test for drug use, progestin, and condoms. Ingress/egress will be streamlined TSA procedure.
My high school, Mt Vernon High School, in Alexandria, VA was a mile from the Mt Vernon estate and iirc was a WPA school. It was torn down in the 70s and the new school was built on property my dad owned across the street from us and the state used eminent domain to pay him peanuts for it. This pic may have been taken from my old front yard.
“… tens of billions of dollars to renovate thousands of dilapidated public schools…
… and a tax break to encourage businesses to hire new workers…”
Still a satan sandwich, even if it hasn’t a chance of passing. He just can’t avoid sticking in the knife, even when it isn’t needed.
Does he think if he stays the course somehow we’ll all suddenly see the light? All I see is darkness, and now he’s dangling our kids and grandkids before our faces. This is what could have been before the entire world economy tanked.
Yes, sir, the meat in your sandwich is what we’ve been urging you to do for so very long when it was still possible to do. Way too late for you now, so all it amounts to is a sneer. You heard us years back. Why didn’t you do this then, when you could?
So why bother to even discuss this. This is all about obama trying to get re-elected. As I said before, it would be good if a republican won the presidency and then democrats (hypocritical as they are) could go back to being democrats. Screw obama – I just want to see him slink away. What kind of democrat would put medicare and social security on the table? This rat has got to go.
worse than that – please read:
Miracle schools, vouchers and all that educational flim-flam
Charter schools are allowed to cherry pick low-needs students (even when PUBLIC charter schools) and in many cases give them more resources (when public, actually TAKING RESOURCES AWAY from high-needs students that were denied access).
The enrollments, if someone actually looks at (and State deparments assigned to do this routinely refuse to and will tell you its “impossible”) are not only skewed to the children that didn’t need the extra resources to succeed, but the enrollments are racist and do not equitably serve non-majority students (when meaning diversity exists in that community)
So if what you say happens, it will just more fully institutionalize racism.
Nice school. Sorry your father was caught up in the government’s land grab law.
Yes, the Apalachian chain goes all the way up to New York. There are many, many WPA, TVA, and CCC projects our forebears worked on and left for us.
I’m very familiar with charter schools. Jeb Bush tried to destroy the public school system in FL during his reign as governor. (P)rick Scott is trying to finish the job. Luckily the FLSC has ruled vouchers unconstitutional so Scott and his charter school cronies have quite the hurdle to jump. It’s more complex than that but that’s the story in a nutshell.
My step-mother and her siblings went to the old school. I had teachers who had taught them. That’s a bitch. *g*
They were too busy trying to tell us to STFU! Our aspirations and support for him didn’t go along with their plans.
The minimum wage in 1939 was 30 cents/hr. WPA workers averaged $41.57/month. That’s pretty close depending on hours worked per month. So the government paid the going minimum wage.
Ahem. Why not just agree to fund the salaries of badly needed teachers and staff who are getting pink slips? What’s more important, staffing classrooms properly or painting a wall? Priorities.
This isn’t 1939.
Excellent link, BB.
I hope that others might check it out.
Necessary, though unsurprising, reading …
DW
I can’t remember exactly, but the last calculations on what our minimum wage should be is actually around $16.00 and hour.
Way back when, I suggested they pay off all the mortgages before they Tarped the banks. You see, those sort of plans actually benefit the people/masses. They will never consider it if it benefits regular folks.
Aye, PP, and my next Curmudgeon post will touch upon one of these … a CCC camp in the Allegheny National Forest.
Stay tuned, eventually ’twill appear.
DW
A “living wage”?
I can hear the gravitas-laden lectures already, PP.
Rumbling … unhappily, off in the distance.
And soon to be shoved in our faces, even here, by those who know, oh so much better …
(Snap!)
DW
Perhaps the problem is even more subtle than helping or not helping “regular folks”. Funding maintenance on schools is worthy, but clearly benefits folks in construction and other trades who happen to be overwhelmingly men. Pink collar workers, like teachers, are not the priority. I’m confident that whoever proposes a program like this is utterly clueless.
In my part of the world school just started, so chances are that none of this work could start until next summer. So its already August and the president is planning to make a speech in September about a job program that could not be passed before Christmas and in which the work will not start until next year in June, and the impact on the economy will not begin to be felt until a year from now.
That’s really a hell of a plan, and something we can really get behind. Unless we are all dead by then. After all, what’s the rush?
“Why didn’t you do this then, when you could?”
And that is the hammer-nail-bang of it all.
And it’s the question that none of the “4-more-years!” crowd wants to ask, much less answer; they only want us to stop being negative and “move forward”…in the rusty little toy car with three wheels missing, after Obama got a GREAT deal on it from the GOP, when he traded them the new Greydog bus for it.
I agree. What’s the point of fixing up public schools if you’re just going to close them down.
But I guess we lost the point of everything a long time ago.
better;
then they will “sell” the school buildings to private schools at dimes on the dollar, who will pay as little as possible for teachers and charge as much as their market will allow
Right. And they’ll issue more charter school bonds using Federal money to “leverage” Goldman’s fees and income streams to support the charter industry.
Damn straight.
The only jobs program that won’t require fighting Obama tooth and nail for it will be more war and more security theater.
All part of the plan.
Obama’s advice to teachers and other public employees is sacrifice for the good of the stock market and financial terrorists.
Excellent point.
Minimum wage isn’t 30 cents and hr. either.
Teacher unions aren’t going to break themselves.
And of course, the value of money and the cost of living hasn’t changed either.
alan1tx – fighting for the right to oppress the poor and working people since 19_ _?
I agree. I don’t know which of the republican legislaturds he thinks will support his ideas or, for that matter, where he’s gonna get the money for this. Not Cantor, not McConnell. If Obama invented a large, super-supreme pizza with absolutely zero calories and no fat or cholesterol, those dastardly, depsicable republican bastards in congress would block it.
And, although I admire this “effort”, what about all the teachers that have been laid off resulting in class sizes being 24-27 students in some districts.
And districts that have gone to four day week or are considering.
Obama doesn’t like teachers, that’s why he picked Arne and accelerated NCLB’s hack and slash, race to the bottom.
King Chaos pay attention, if there is a deficit in revenue you cannot continue to give tax cuts to eliminate it. It’s actually a first grade principal. Sadly now we must listen to all the campaign bullshit knowing that none of the first campaign promises were kept. You can’t throw that many people under the bus and expect them to want to do it again. You started the fire, now burn with it.
My grandfather was born and raised in Sweden, joined the US merchant marine and, I believe, gained his citizenship that way.
He was employed by the Chicago Park Service through the WPA and was able to provide a good living for his family of 5. I love the old photos we have of him – he looks like he could have stepped out of one of those iconic murals or friezes that were so much a part of the buildings constructed in that time period – shirt sleeves rolled up, strong and capable.
A CCC or WPA would work wonders in this time and place.
Good words, Smoke.
If we let Obama and the “centrists” get away with this monumental sellout, and give them another chance for a repeat, then, as is being said, we ARE fucking retards.
I just returned form the post office. I had to share this with you guys.
It’s rare when you see genuine bravery in public. I witnessed that a little while ago. A nice woman, in her fifties I’d say. Still had her Obama ’08 bumper sticker on her Buick. Damn…..you gotta admire that. :-)
I know that, you miss my point entirely – he will get nailed for this by the press.
And even if we assume these jobs (with benefits included) end up costing 50,000 (and I doubt we are talking about higher paid stuff here, but if it has to meet local contractor wages, maybe a little more in some areas) what you are calling “overhead and corruption” are fully-out-of-line and deserved to be hammered.
They are trying to destroy in WI too, being done by co-opting of a single quasi-private education agency that has been granted a monopoly on certain mandated school services and is actually accountable to NO ONE!
I won’t post details here, but it does deserve wider circulation, especially before 2012 elections when one of the thieving b@stards is up for re-election again.
Nice link, Ravitch is a national treasure.
Obama’s plans to privatize public education doesn’t seem to get as much airplay as other issues, but IMO there’s no clearer example of his technocratic, neoliberal worldview.
Ravitch for Education Secretary!