President Obama has not yet decided what mix of proposals to include in next week’s jobs address. Specifically, he hasn’t chosen between a plan that has a chance of passing and a plan that would have less of a chance:
And yet, behind the scenes Obama and top aides had yet to reach agreement on the major tenets of that plan, and it remained unclear whether the president was looking for narrower ideas with a realistic chance of passing the Republican-led House or more sweeping stimulus proposals that would excite his liberal base and draw contrasts with the GOP [...]
Obama offered few hints Monday.
“I will be laying out a series of steps that Congress can take immediately to put more money in the pockets of working families and middle-class families, to make it easier for small businesses to hire people, to put construction crews to work rebuilding our nation’s roads and railways and airports, and all the other measures that can help to grow this economy,” he said.
Obama said the plan would consist of “bipartisan ideas that ought to be the kind of proposals that everybody can get behind, no matter what your political affiliation might be.”
First of all, we already know what kinds of proposals are in the running. Really only one – the FAST program to fix up public schools – in any way approaches a kind of public works spending program of the New Deal era. You could maybe put the “cash for caulkers” idea in that box, but I think that would leverage private companies to do the work with some kind of tax incentive. Everything else is pretty much the usual mix of supply-side, tax-based stimulus. George Miller introduced a bill that would give $61.5 billion to state and local governments so they can avoid layoffs of teachers, police and firefighters. Nothing like that will be in the Obama plan, at least if the initial reports are correct.
So the idea that there’s a distinction between “narrower ideas” and “more sweeping stimulus proposals” at all is unclear to me. And that’s especially true when you consider that there isn’t a single program that spends any more than a dime that House Republicans are willing to accept. They plan to spend the fall on a quixotic quest to kill regulations from the EPA and the NLRB. Following the dictates of an Obama address on jobs is the furthest thing from their mind.
Once you realize that – and surely the people who have been negotiating with Republicans all year understand this – the idea of creating the perfect bank shot of programs, like the payroll tax cut for example, to attract Republican support that isn’t likely to arrive seems fanciful. On the one hand there’s at least some question of whether the payroll tax cut works well as stimulus; it certainly could be designed better. On the other, Republicans aren’t going to vote for any stimulus regardless (some would disagree on this point, but the GOP has certainly remained pretty rigid even in the face of a proposed tax cut). So clearly public works spending is far preferable to these half-measures; instead we’re telling states not to replace road signs, let alone the roads.
The best measures Obama could announce, of course, are the ones that he can implement without Congress, which have an actual chance to work. That isn’t a very long list, but they involve using unspent resources from TARP and TALF, or the GSEs.



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So the question is: small-bore or nano-bore?
Whatever happened to “Go big”?
Oh right, that only applies to budget cutting.
David,
I have to agree with you on the TARP, TALF, and the GSE’s.
However, I would go further, by suggesting that Obama include upwards of $100 billion to state legislature for their respective “balanced budgets” and with the sole condition that these state legislatures be required to “rescind” the “tax cuts” for the past twenty years and given to their political allies and business cronies.
And by way of reinforcement, the Morrison Institute at Arziona State University conducted the research, thusly, proving that tax cuts do more damage to the body politic than does feeding the voracious coffers of the well-off.
Jaango
DDay might your title need some reworking?
The text suggests that Osterity is considering several plans, one which has “a chance of passing” and one which has “less of a chance”.
Perhaps “can” and “can’t”?
Curiousity is.
DW
How about declaring a national economic emergency and live his dream as the Imperial President. Of course he’d seek a pragmatic and bipartisan approval of emergency powers. What a putz.
Imagine if you will, that State Legislatures be prohibited from enacting any further tax cuts for the next twenty years, or until a Joint Congressional Resolution is passed by Congress and signed by the President that declares our “Economy Has Been Repaired.”
In doing so, this would be the “first step” in waging a decent political battle that needs to be undertaken by the Democrats. Consequently, “tax cuts” and “jobs” can go hand-in-hand, both as a short term measure and a long term measure.
Unfortunately, the Democratic Leadership has lost its gravitas, given their lack of ‘new’ Ideas.
Jaango
DW, I can see how that title is completely appropriate. Following either proposal he will immediately begin to negotiate away (with himself, if necessary) any meaningful initiatives.
My prediction is that nothing will come of this except an extension of the horrible payroll tax holiday.
Mission Accomplished.
Or, probably at least as likely, the tax repatriation holiday. As if these oligarchs occupy the same planet as anything remotely resembling patriotism.
bipartisan ideas. Translation: Unemployed? Die, slackers.
The payroll tax reduction plan was/is designed specifically to defund SS.
I am still amazed by the fact that King Chaos still hasn’t figured out that there is nothing he can propose that the repubs will agree to. He is going to continue to waste his time and sell everyone down the river with his bull-headed belief of bi-partisan agreement. He needs to consider the things he can do on his own and proceed in that direction. Sorry, I thought I was talking about a democrat president, forgot he had changed sides.
precis
As Babs Bush might say, “This is working out quite well.” If you’re a Wall Street globalist fat cat.
Spot on and I wish someone would hammer home the idea that this is the beginning of the end of SS. This is a R idea and has been for a long time. Just my 2 cents.
The “Democratic “Leadership”" has it’s nose so far up Obama’s butt just waiting for him to fart to give them some direction.
Only a coward is so weak that he does not try lest he appear weak. This is not a damn game. This is the future of America here. People’s lives are at stake. If he can’t lead in this situation he should go ahead and resign. Even Joe Biden would be better than this; at least you know what the guy thinks. This is like trying to figure out what is going on inside the Kremlin during the Cold War.
Oh I quite totally agree, OmAli, I am rather hard-pressed to imagine that Preznit Osterity has the slightest intention of doing anything of actual value for real fleash and blood human beings or to furthering civil society, generally … I had simply considered that DDay was trying to phrase things in the “perspective” which “responsible people” in the opinion-forming business might seek to frame our poor beleaguered, caving, out-maneuverated by the oh-so-much-more-evil “others”, nice-guy-with-cute-kids, chief executive was so honestly and forthrightly attempting to bamboozalate with.
Serendipity doth sometimes bequeath its own snarkish verisimilitude.
Or something.
Remembering that admonition of not allowing the perfect to become the enema of the good or whatever the purpose of the latest shaft is purporting, I completely lost my head and sought some wee relief from the all-consuming absurdity of empty pretense and haughty indifference …
Ah, well …
;~DW
Great title – “…Jobs Ideas that Can’t Pass, or Jobs Ideas that Can’t Pass.” The result is the same – no jobs, high unemployment, and useless Washington BS.
At first I started to say, “nope, we have given up all hope, we who have entered here”. But it is exactly the opposite, isn’t it?
Doing away with all social programs is part of Unca Milty’s unregulated market economic theory, which in turn at the heart of neoliberalism and neoconservativism. The corporate
blow job artistsmedia won’t even use the terms “trickle down” or “VooDoo” economics. They don’t want to talk about the realities of Friedman’s disastrous theories. They might, repeat might, get a clue when the stock exchanges start to unravel.Great title. We can extend it to other issues.
nah, shades of Grover Norquist. Congress needs to do what makes sense in specific situations, not be chained to pledges or rules that prohibit them from acting appropriately in the moment.
Phoenix
A phoenix is a mythical bird with a colorful plumage and a tail of gold and scarlet (or purple, blue, and green according to some legends). It has a 500 to 1000 year life-cycle, near the end of which it builds itself a nest of twigs that then ignites; both nest and bird burn fiercely and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix or phoenix egg arises, reborn anew to live again. The new phoenix is destined to live as long as its old self.
From Wiki.
Obama is a man of soaring speeches not big ideas. He will not propose anything that will require fighting for. He will meet the republicans half way before negotiations begin and move further towards their demands over the next few months. Then cave and call it the “Grand Bargain”. The economy will continue to sputter along and “The Great Unwashed” will slip even further behind. That is the plan after all.
Pigs, Dogs, Sheep
We are heading towards a world straight out of some dystopian science fiction novel where the world consists of the elite few of the ruling class, Those who provide security for the ruling class and the slave masses who will eventually forget that there was ever a thing called democracy.
Uh oh, now you have done it… :)
For Chrissakes! Get the President some water wings. He’s up to his knees and already over his head.
I’d like to think you are right. I will choose to think you are right.
DW wrote: “Serendipity doth sometimes bequeath its own snarkish verisimilitude.”
———
Dude, you need to copyright that! That’s the most profound thing I’ve read that I didn;t understand in a long time. James Thurber would be proud of you.
As RevBev reminded us the other day, Hope is Stronger than Fear.
Power to the people, right on. Never back down. Never give up, as SD reminds us.
World without end, amen.
take care, all
ohmmm
When I was a newbie here, I felt like I was a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Maybe I just didn’t know some of the more positive souls with their belief in humanity. I don’t feel alone anymore. And, this is a good thing.
The minute he hired Rahm Emanuel, the insiders of the Right and Left knew he wasn’t the dream Democrat we dumb-ass voters thought he was.
Since then all he and Harry Reid have done and will continue to do is serve us tea. They’ve burned all other bridges.
I saw the movie, “Flight of the Phoenix”. I don’t remember anything like that in the movie. Just Jimmy Stewart anad that British actor Richard Brattleboro.
I don’t believe that Obama knows how to fight for anything. It’s less a matter of will that it is ability. He’s never really fought for anything in his entire life, why would anyone have expected him to be able to do so in the total absence of any proof that he ever has?
Say what you want to about Rahm, hazmaq but he does know how to fight, how to start one and how to engage in one. Plus there was no chance that he wasn’t going to be part of the Obama admin. We knew that going in. But is someone who can fight such a bad thing?
Bladerunner meets Escape from New York
It seems to take O an inordinate amount of time to find the sweet spot guaranteed to piss off everyone to the max. Despite all the practice he’s has on every other policy to date.
Or maybe he & Boner haven’t finished writing the script that will be followed after O’s big speech.
Didn’t they fix the plane and glide out of there?
A lesson of caring for Osterity.
I can’t believe Obama has learned nothing from dealing with the dastardly, despicable, black-hearted bastrds (TM) that ARE the republican legislaturds. If he can’t simply sign an executive order implementing some jobs initiatives, he is wasting his time AND ours trying to get something, anythins through congress with the republlicans ready, willing and able to BLOCK anything that will help the country. THey want things to get worse. When will Obama wake up to this reality.
Yep. I have Dan Duryea’s copy of a first edition of Howard Carter’s Tomb of Tutankhamon.
That German model airplane designer designed a new plane from the wreckage and they flew out. All of ‘em strapped to the wings.
2012 – a chance for yet another recovery summer. Can we live through it?
I don’t know. These “recoveries” are wearing me out. Physically and fiscally.
Oh…….Phoenix, bird, ashes, plane, crash, I got it. It’s a metaphor. Or is it a simile? Analogy? One of those.
More fragmental dithering no doubt.
“Obama/Biden 2008″……………..what ever happened to those guys????
I’m going to be generous here, but not very. Obama ran for the Presidency with a model in his head about how if we can just get along, we can get things done, even though none of us will get all or even much of what he wants. Any step forward is progress, and once the ball gets rolling, the momentum will make it that much easier to keep it rolling and even accelerate it. As a purely hypothetical proposition, it was a point worth making, despite abundant evidence to the contrary going back to the Clinton administration. Still, one could argue that it was worth a try.
The try, however, was the stimulus bill that all but 3 Republicans voted against. Once that happened Obama should have changed his strategy and go for gold with the majorities he had in the House and Senate. Instead he kept to the original mistaken strategy. He can’t admit to himself that he was (is) wrong on the most basic thing he believes in. He is as non-evidenced based as the T-baggers.
As I said, I’m being generous. Another way of making the same point is that he is not competent to handle the job of President.
it’s um b)
The only recovery in our future is one we MIGHT have in 2013 if Obama can be replaced in 2012. Seriously could Hillary really have been WORSE?
I agree. One of his biggest mistakes was assuming he could work WITH the republicans. He underestimated their viciousness and their conniving determination to make his presidency a failed one regardless what collateral damage it caused to the country. He STILL thinks he can work with them. That, perhaps, IMO< is his biggest failure.
“Obama/Biden 2008″ – It didn’t happen, it was a dream. We actually elected “Reagan/Bush 1980″ or their more Conservative evil twins.
Agreed and after reading “The Shock Doctrine” twice I think I really understand what’s going on now. O is following that playbook to the tee.
If your interested there is a free book online called “The lights in the Tunnel” (PDF) The author(whose name escapes me) talks about outsourcing and technology replacing human workers. I think the book clearly describes what is going on now and what is in store for us. I still have hope and never plan to give up but we are up against the wall.
Obama will approve Corporate welfare.
Obama can’t work with ANYONE, not just repubs. That, if nothing else, is patently clear by now.
Obama is not trying to create jobs. Right now his goons are trying to take down one of the last american companies that manufacturers here. Gibson guitars got a full on SWOT team raid. The problem was using wood that is banned here. Rather than talk to the company and sort it out through normal channels they sent in a heavily armed swot team. Workers were forced into rooms with armed gunmen and questioned for hours with no right to an attorney. They were threatened even though they had nothing to do with importation of the wood. The CEO said if there was a problem the feds should have come after hi, but instead they raided his factories and went after his workers.
This is what is going on this country. Last month raw foods
How about proposing something that will work!
Update on Gibson case, they are not being charged for having the wood but working the wood. Under India’s law, yes India, only indians can work the wood. But CEO of Gibson said it is not India’s govt behind this but the US govt who is now trying to enforce a law in India on a US based company that employs US workers.
Another speech by King Chaos, when will he learn we want action and not words. While he does give a good speech, I’ve had so much sunshine blowed up my ass by him I have to use sunglasses when taking a crap. Why doesn’t he resign now and make it easier on everyone. I’m just to tired for another of his ideas.
And those are precisely his options.
Baaaaad David. :o)
And; could Hillary have been worse?
I think she could have, with that “Property of AIPAC” tatt on her butt. We might have attacked Iran.
Of course, we might YET do it. With Obama jaw-boning Maliki to agree to permanent occupation, anything is possible.
But the fact remains: Hillary’s “savvy” led her into the notion that she could triangulate her way to the White House by sucking up to the people who had nearly ruined us. Obama more-or-less waited until he was IN the White House, to start caving to them.
I see no reason to believe that Hillary’s stupidity in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is an indication that she really was a good liberal at heart, and would have shown that, once in office.
That said, she might NOT have been worse; remember Doonesbury’s “Commander Less-than-zero”? :o)
And the fact that we’re talking like this, indicates a real low-water mark for democrats…
Whatever Prince Barry proposes it’ll likely be a tub of lard admixed with soupy diarrhea. The Wizard of O has the gift of turning everything to shit. Can’t he get into his thick Ivy League skull that supply side Raygunomics has been tried for 30 years and look where we’re at. Fucking payroll tax cuts. What a joke! That’s supposed to get people back to work. The guy’s a real moron. That or he’s just a hardcore ideologue. Or maybe both. The morons he has advising him also have their heads up their asses. Get out in the real world, you dolts!
“…not competent…”
I agree. I think he’s in over his head, and the worst of it was that he hadn’t a clue that he was coming into that either/or situation: either he went right after the assholes, or they would eat him alive.
Instead, he went all bipartisan-y…and they have eaten him alive.
(I think it’s a done deal; no way for him to turn all this around, even if he wanted to, and I see zero evidence that he cares at all. And what’s curiouser and curiouser is that he’s STILL so passive and uninvolved, as he heads off into history’s dustbin.)
See Monday’s movie thread; read it and weep. Wonder if anyone is helping the Gibson workers.
Excellent point. Barry Osterity can simply issue exec orders for job programs, as FDR did, circumventing Congress. He chooses not to, which is telling.
I like the “payroll tax cut idea”. But…call me naive, doesn’t that ONLY effect people who HAVE jobs and are ON a payroll?
I agree there is a total lack of cajones in the WH. It’s unusual, when exactly will Obama realize that it’s “time to pull the goalie”???
Are you referring to the Bhopal doc? Honestly, I have seen and read so many disturbing stories about what govt and corps are doing all over the world, and all I see is that they get away with it. I don’t see that changing, we are just serfs used to pay our masters and tossed aside when we are no longer needed
Did you guys see Perry’s lead over Romney in the latest polls???????
“What’s happened to those guys?”
Well, we know what’s happened to Obama; he’s making Jimmy Carter look like Franklin Roosevelt.
As for Biden, he went to China contemporary with the “Goodwill” Basketball Tour, in which Georgetown University and a Chinese professional team provided some real entertainment to Chinese fans and YouTube’r's, by beating the living shit out of each other for several minutes. :o)
Oh; Biden also said that he understood the Chinese government’s committment to birth control. Which statement instantly got him into hot water with our “keep-’em-barefoot-and-pregnant” flatearthers. Happily enough, he quickly grovelled and peed himself, in atonement, a la Barry, with the Sherrod debacle.
Obama must have been grateful no end.
I mean, yeah, I’ll get more money in my paycheck. But how does that create jobs? I guess the idea is we spend the money and that creates demand, and companies hire. But the fact is people are not spending because they are afraid of losing their jobs, therefore they just pay off bills with it–like I do. Oilbummer needs to do something radical and direct, not circuitous. It’s not even circuitous because he’s hoping the money will be spent and that’s a lot to hope for. If we can see that why can’t the Geniuses in the White House see the same thing? It comes down to ideology. They don’t believe that they should help people. Bottom line.
Durn! How do ya shift this into second, carguy?
Wait until I catch top gear … mayhaps there will be some orbituaries for the ‘leventy-’leven spaced time confusulations of Osterity’s gravest hits?
Hugh’s List tops three hunert, even now, and whocouldamagine whut tamari’ll bringuponus.
Git gobsmackedwid Obamapulloser’s Looinforwardaheadin the sands of time?
Yes indeedydo …. clear as cheese and crackers got all muddy we has seen the future and itdontlooklikemuch … unless yer astuuuuuute. Bye and buy in the sweetbiandby.
If’n ya catch muh drift … oversteer/understeer and twirllin’ the wheely ’bout the time the lower a-harm decides its in busyness for itself, the U-joint let loose and the differential become indifferent …
Then, we know we is in a “roll” which ole Cass Sunstein will intone is merely “an adjustment” … and to “stop complaining and look forward” whatever spin we is in.
;~DW
Ain’t it funny???? Both Obama AND Carter were partially undone by a “hostage crisis”???
ooooh….. Barack and Carter BOTH have six letters. And another, Carter came from Georgia, Obama from Chicago…BOTH seven letters.
And, Obama’w wife is Michelle and Carter’s wife was Roslyn……..BOTH women.
‘Guy, I saw that. I welcome it. The further in the direction of wearing large North American pit vipers like they were feather boas that Perry and his ilk drag the republican party, the better.
That’s a big 10-4. If they give me some more money, I’ll put it where it’s safe. In my mattress.
I bet you’ve been into the cooking sherry again, ‘Guy. :o)
Paraphrasing Perry, he said the United States should not go out and wage wars unilaterally but we don’t need anybody else’s approval or consent to do so if we did.
I think he said something nasty about gays too.
Can Cass Sustein use his cognitive infiltration to mind fuck FDLers? I bet they do have those types on our boards throwing us off from the truth.
I had a couple of Dos Equis at lunch. Maybe a shot or two of Tequila.
Holey tomato!
You are purty danged good a this here stuffin’nonsense yerownself.
I salad ya!!! Wut kind addressing ya want onit?
;~DW
– Earth to Obama
Naw, we’re the straw in his oinkment, vr.
Thass why they brought Rahmapissonus on bored. Like a pit-bull.
We got ole Cass’s number even if he does get on SCOTUS, which Osterity bound to do, youbetcha!
DW
Saw that, too…the thing he said criticizing “military adventurism”.
I sure would have liked for some reporter to have asked him which of our most recent wars qualified as “military adventurism”…if any.
I think he’s gonna be a hoot. And one HELL of a turd in the GOP chiffon congeal. :o)
It would have been a perfect opportunity for Perry to ignore the tiny and inexpensive foreign-policy glitches of Afghanistan and Iraq, and say: “Libya”.
Which, after all, is showing signs of not making the cut for another “Operation Enduring Shitmire”. :o)
Of course, the last thing that Perry’s handlers want is for him to take unscreened questions. That way lies Palin-disaster. :o)
Perry might be the nominee and beat Osterity. Goodhair has what it takes. Stupidity and fascism. People love that.
Of that, Lewis Carrol would be proud. I particularly like the “indifferent differential”.
I will dance naked if the GOP are suicidal enough to nominate Rick Perry.
He will do for the ticket what Sarah Palin did for John McCain. :o)
He’s probably the only chance we have to hang on to the Senate, and not much of one.
Good point. But Perry don’t play well in rooms where the average IQ is over 92. He avoids debates like the plague and he won’t be able to keep that up for long.
Thassit…if he interviews with Couric, she’ll walk out of the studio playing marbles with his political balls. :o)
With the crappy economy and Osterity’s wishy washy persona, Goodhair has a 50/50 chance. I’m sure if he’s the nominee he’ll tone his fascism down like Duhbya did. Then Osterity will lose the Independents. And since Osterity has basically written off the liberals, he has no way to make up for the lost vote.
OT: This just up on the DellNewsPage:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110830/D9PEIESO0.html
Good on you, Daryl!
“… hang onto the Senate …”
Oh damn! I thought they was the ones hangin’ on, like a leech or a barnacle … “tween you and me, tb, we’d do better in any chicken coop this side of foxsnooz and the eggs laid might just be worth sumthin and wouldn’t cost much more than chicken feed … as hens ain’t particular prone to either bribery or blackmail.
Just need someone to crow once in a while like the little red rooster used ta do … and more would go on in that “Chamber” than the Senate has managed since Filla bustered ole Dick Cheney in the Fughew of the fourth branch of the Yoo tree … why, it seems just like yesterday.
DW
Say what you will about PBO’s failure of leadership and mostly I would agree with it. But let’s remember who the real impediment is. It’s the Teabag House. President Bernie Sanders might sound swoon-worthy but there is nothing he could propose that would get through Congress either. He would help restore the liberal “brand” and that would be nice. No, nothing will pass this Congress except possibly a law instituting Dickens-era work houses or maybe a more modern solution like voluntary euthanasia for the poor.
Dancing naked really needs no excuse, imo.
Osterity is a miserable failure. Like I said above, nothing is stopping the Wizard of O from issuing executive orders re jobs programs. He just doesn’t care. He can do stuff without Congress. The idea that he is helpless is bs.
If you include failure as a human being, EQW, his love of droning on, making war whoopee, and sucking on the tarsands pipeline, then yes, poor ole Preznit Osterity is poorly serviced by the greater weevils.
Obama is doing PRECISELY what he intends to do.
He needs no “help” from the other sociopaths.
Period.
Have you, by the way, read ANYTHING on FDL in, say, the past two years or so?
DW
I prefer to regard Barack Obama as a totally miserable $ucce$$, vr, for the reason$ listed above, and quite a few other$, besides.
DW
Precisely. I think that’s been more or less the goal of “The Machine” for decades.
I know. I’m not supposed to mention “The Machine” so please don’t tell anyone.
What might this “stuff” be? If it requires $$, it goes through Congress.
I come here all the time.
I get it, you think BO is not only a failure as a president as I do, but is evil incarnate. Fine. How is your rant helping anything?
Again, nothing will pass this Congress unless fed up constituents drag their teabag reps into doing it. Chance of that, slim to none, but the ones with brains realize they do need to appear to be doing something in order to keep their jobs.
Uh, job programs perhaps? He’d have to make the case to the American people, of course,–something he’s temperamentally incapable of, but it could be done if he had balls. Under the circumstances, I don’t see why Americans wouldn’t support it. People need jobs. I think you are making too many excuses for Osterity.
Let’s stop hoping DumbO get some balls and focus on getting his ass packing next year. Can we do that?
I agree. Martin Bashir related the story of the scorpion and the frog this afternoon remarking that Eric the Piss Ant was the scorpion. No way you can deal with the thugs, never could and you never will. O just couldn’t get it – - and still can’t.
I think we’re going to have a republican president, and it’s not going to be Rick Perry or Michelle Bachman. Most likely, Romney, but someone could come out of the woodwork.
I’d like to hang onto at least one house of congress to have a chance to monkeywrench the worst of the GOP’s to-do list. We can’t do that if Obama is our nominee. This time around, I think his coattails will be coated with essence of ebola virus.
Did David Petraeus agree to take over at the CIA?
I still think the GOP would love to have him declare. Instant frontrunner, my 2c.
Well we can start with the voluntary thingy but if we really want to get out of this you gotta offer incentives, you know.
I am making NO excuses for BO. You are projecting. I am asking, specifically WHAT he can do. So far I have heard nothing that sounds plausible. Jobs program you say. Can he sign an executive order to create a jobs program and bypass Congress? How? What would this jobs program involve, specifically? Would it involve $$ and where would this come from? Would it be given to the states? Are you sure he could do this Constitutionally with the stroke of a pen? If so, that’s great; I’m all for it. But be specific. Saying he would “do something” about “jobs” if he had “balls” is a bit simplistic to say the least. Testicles, to my knowledge is not a shorthand term for “legislative powers.”
No sooner asked than answered.
Just up on the DellNewsPage:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110830/D9PEJF7G2.html
So that’s that. I can’t see him bailing out of Langley to run against Obama. Also, it’s a given that any republican who wins the White House will hang onto him. At 58 his tenure there could be long.
O doesn’t have very many options. I think the TARP funds will be returned. Dont know how effective the others would be, but I suspect not much.He is SOL but it is something he aided and abetted from day one.
I should have stayed up in the mountains at the spiritual retreat center I’ve been at for the last ten days cut off from the world. Then I wouldn’t have to be reminded what a dismal situation our politics are in.
Nobody in the White House could be stupid enough at this point to think that compromising before hand makes it more likely to get something passed. But I guess Obama and his team think that enough of his Democratic base is stupid enough to buy the rhetoric that that is why he will have such a weak jobs proposal.
None of these folk actually care about working Americans out of work; they only care about what gives them political advantage.
1.)
See here: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/08/30-10
2.) Green Jobs.
Are those good enough for you?
Vegan, those sound great! They really do. So, BO implements those programs with the stroke of a pen, and uses the money to start them from….? Raising taxes without Congress? With the sheer power of his new “balls”? Should we all try to coax him to do these things by saying, “get balls and do these things right now and forget Congress, cuz we say so”? Because if that’s what it takes, I’ll do it.
Otherwise, anyone here who actually knows how government works want to jump in?
Granted, a lot of time between now and November 2012. Maybe as much as 14 months.
But Perry is “killing” Romney in the polls. And it certainly appears to be a two man race. The GOP has a conumdrum. TPTB don;t want the religious cultist Romney. They don’t want mega-evangelist, secessionist, and gun-totin’ Perry either. But they may not have other options. The most electable republicans have taken a pass or, like HUntsman, at the 1% level. Besides, he’s a Mormon too.
This should be an interesting race. Will it result in the demise of the USA as we know it? Inquisitive minds want to know. So we can plan……
Fortunately, I’ve been to so many hockey games I ALREADY know “O Canada” by heart.
EW wrote: “…“get balls and do these things right now and forget Congress, cuz we say so”?
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Holy crap! I hadn’t thought of that. Nothing else had worked. Damn, funny how the simplest plan is sometimes the best.
Sign me up. Can we meet at the Chick-Fil-A. I LOVE their cole slaw.
I hear frfom my contacts in the guvment that most of the TARP is/will come back and that a good 50% of the stimulus money was unable to find any “shovel ready” projects. we already got the money from GM and Chrysler so that’s around $1 trillion. Maybe we could do somethung with that????
Yeah, wouldn’t it be great if BO proposes all of those job producers and more – Medicare for all would be excellent too – and then when Congress howls that he can’t do it, he drops his drawers and says, “these low hangers are all the legislative power I need”? In a parallel/better world…
Actually, that sounds like something LBJ would say.
Okay. Money from where? The wars? The bailouts?
You are correct Obama can do nothing.
And WILL do nothing … not even use his bully-pulpit to tell the truth.
Evil incarnate?
If you want to use that term, fine.
How about intentional sell out?
How about pusilanimous fabulist?
How about Deliberately incompetent?
How about more concerned with himself than with the rule of law?
How about completely without moral substance and how about having too many apologists, such as yourself, who repeatedly whine that none of this is Barry’s fault it is the Congress … the BAD rethugs and blue dogs (with whom Obama has publicly identified himself)?
I agree Congress is at fault for many things, they would not stand up to Bush and they are doing EXACTLY what Obama has asked of them… which is pdfecisely nothing. Indeed, we have both a Congress AND a President who are the effin’ BEST that money can buy.
You have noted, EarthquakeWeather that Obama has, already, a political “war chest” approaching one billion (that is a thousand MILLION) dollars, not, this time, from the little people like you and I, but from the BIG SPENDERS like Warren Buffet, and the Hollywood “liberals” like Clooney and Hanks? Not to mention the “ASTUTE” Wall Street set.
YOUR rant sweet EqW, is simply excuse, and the burden of proof, that Obama is not what the many of us have seen him prove that he is … is yours, not ours … the proof lies in BOTH what he has DONE and chosen, willfully, again and again, NOT to DO.
No single payer, no end to the wars, no bringing torturers to justice, no holding the banksters to account …
While supporting all of the things mentioned in the sentence above Obama has not once, not ever, evidenced any real concern, beyond empty rhetoric, or engaged in ANY effort to help the millions who have been harmed by ALL of the many things that are glaring, obviously, beyond reason or doubt, wrong, destructive and hurtful to real human beings, to the environment and to any sustainable human future.
Let us hear your positive response, what has President Osterity DONE?
That did NOT serve the status quo?
Can you do that?
Might you do that?
Oh, and see how long you can “go” without blaming everyone else for what you say “can’t” be done.
Hold forth, the floor, the table, the moment is yours …
We SHOULD be able to. Any way of distributing this money in some kind of stimulus package without approval of Congress?
Well dude, it’s either that or the whole rotten capitalist system will fall. Of course, I’m betting on its fall because capitalists are greedy bloodsuckers.
We can play this little game of “it’s not pragmatic” and “you don’t know how gov’t works” forever, but in the final analysis if major steps are not taken soon–and radically–it’s all she wrote, dude. You can talk about process forever but if the ship is sinking and the captain is asleep at the wheel, well…
Ignoring the tantrum thrower now and speaking to the rational… I really would like to know exactly what can be done by a. BO, b. Congress, c. us, d. other, in the next year and change to dig the country out of the shithole we’re in. Positive steps that can be accomplished. Anyone?
Why don’t you tell us?
You have gone too far. That is violent and hurtful and I am sure the many of us will need the fainting couch to recover from this language.
Let’s ask Ollie North. He’s kinda fmailiar with how THAT works.
How the heck did you get that?
SWAT, not SWOT. Special Tactics and Weapons.
Also known as the fuzzzzzzz, or the filth. Or even, the Feds–which I really enjoy.
That’s it in a nutshell. Even Chris Hedges, in his latest article, has declared it’s all over but the crying.
More corporatist kabuki theater. Obama will try to have it both ways: throw some tub to the “liberal” whale, and then paint the Republicans as intransigent and incapable of governing, which they actually are.
And Wall Street laughs while they loot what’s left of our bank accounts and public assets.
Larue, I will now shamelessly steal from you. (Le sigh)
Oh yeah, exactly. Obama went full corporatist when he had the chance to really do something. Now that he has no power–he has no credibility, and Dem’s control neither house of Congress–he thinks he can fool enough progressives with this aptly-named Kabuki theater to get his sorry *ss reelected.
No jobs, no help, just corporatism as far as the eye can see.
“Novus Ordo Seclorum!”
No, I was making a joke…
I too would have liked to have seen more responses to your questions. In particular, David writes “The best measures Obama could announce, of course, are the ones that he can implement without Congress, which have an actual chance to work. That isn’t a very long list, but they involve using unspent resources from TARP and TALF, or the GSEs.”
So my questions (to everyone) include: How much money is available in each of these programs? Is it really true that Obama can spend these funds, in whatever way he wants, without Congress? If so, how can we/I *try* to influence upcoming policy proposals?
I’ve come to trust Obama to do –
the wrong thing.