I’ve been trying to remind people throughout the run-up to the Obama jobs proposal that it would also presage a deficit proposal, to “pay for” whatever spending is in the jobs proposal. We now have a topline number for the jobs plan: $300 billion, half from tax cuts and 2/3 from the extension of current law (Maybe this is why nobody thinks it will work). So will there be $300 billion in cuts in some fashion to “pay for” the spending over time? No, it’ll be much higher than that.
The Catfood Commission II already has a minimum requirement of $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction (this is on top of the $900 billion enacted through a cap on discretionary spending in the 2012-2021 budget years). But Obama wants to exceed that number, and he’s reportedly ready to commit the grand bargain to paper, the one he negotiated with John Boehner before it blew up over taxes. So we’re going to have a Democratic President write down a desire to raise the Medicare eligibility age, among other things:
Getting less attention in the media is the follow-up speech the White House is planning, which will lay out a specific deficit-reduction agenda that not only meets the $1.5 trillion goal of the “supercommittee,” but exceeds it and pays for the new jobs spending. These proposals will look quite similar to the grand bargain the White House offered Speaker John Boehner, and liberal groups are grimly preparing for the administration to call for raising the Medicare eligibility age.
This leaves a couple of questions that keep pinging into my in-box from interested and, more often, angry observers around town: Why not go bigger on jobs given that so little is likely to pass? Why not go smaller on deficit reduction given that Republicans are likely to take the administration’s concessions on policies like the Medicare eligibility age but toss out their preferences on revenues and stimulus? And what evidence is there, anyway, that trying to look like the most reasonable man in the room is actually working with independents?
The President has all the tools he needs right now to force deficit reduction far beyond what he will probably even announce. It’s called the veto pen. Doing nothing and allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, along with other expiring tax breaks, will more than achieve primary balance in the medium term. That’s the consensus of the Congressional Budget Office from a couple weeks back. The President could simply say he will not sign any extension of these plans without offsets, leave it to Congress to figure out the details, and be done with deficit reduction, while demanding his jobs plan get enacted. He could say the same thing on jobs, saying he will veto Catfood Commission recommendations unless they contain his jobs plan, with the trigger on defense and discretionary cuts backing him up.
But that’s not this President’s agenda. He thinks the Clinton tax rates were too high. He things that raising the Medicare eligibility age, one of the worst policy ideas imaginable, is a “modest adjustment” to “strengthen” the program. So all these ideas for how to deal with an age of political hostage-taking is a wish and a hope.
By putting Medicare eligibility on the table, and I’m sure Medicaid blended rate and chained CPI aren’t too far behind, the focus becomes about cuts rather than jobs, against the explicit wishes of the public. In the end, Republicans can pick and choose, taking tax cuts and entitlement cuts and tossing out the public investment and overall tax hikes. This didn’t work out during the debt limit deal, but with the trigger supposedly forcing action in the Catfood Commission, the urgency for a Democratic capitulation will be great, especially if the party leader puts out a plan of this stripe.
Nobody told the President to pivot to deficit reduction in late 2009, and nobody’s telling him to do so now. There was no public outcry then, and even after years of pounding from the agenda-setting elites, there’s not really a public outcry now. This is a conscious choice on the part of a President endlessly searching for that “win” on deficits. A lot of Americans will lose in that exchange.





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I wish he would STOP PIVOTING and pick a direction to go in. When you pivot, you don’t move anywhere, you stand in one place and spin around.
Starve the tax paying citizens, not the MIC.
It’s all right there as to what America has become. Or do I have to spell it out?
Let me add my ping that $300 billion is woefully inadequate and he better come up with a plan B fast.
How about a 4 to 5% tax increase on everyone.
if the democratic party doesn’t dump obama it is finished as a major political party
cam anyone say whig? how about federalist? get ready to add democrat to the list
pure suicide bc another party WILL emerge on the left and it WILL be wildly successful
problem is, it will probably be too late to save the america we know
Ezra Klein:
“And what evidence is there, anyway, that trying to look like the most reasonable man in the room is actually working with independents?”
It’s not, it’s a ruse. obama is intentionally attacking his base and purposely damaging his re-election prospects becoz HE WANTS OUT and wants a reason to “honorably” bow out of the 2012 race: “I couldn’t win anyway so it’s best that I step aside to give another dem a chance”.
There is not one fucking poll that tells him that cutting ss and medicare benefits are going to do anything but harm his re-election prospects in 2012, but he apparently is quite willing … anxious actually … to take full credit for proposing it. And it has been completely captured by the cratering of his approval ratings since he did that during the debt ceiling talks, but yet he still he presses on with it.
Why? Becoz HE WANTS OUT and to get on with a much more pleasurable post-presidency life, but he doesn’t want to it be obvious that the narcissistic bastard treated the 2008 presidential race as a vanity venture and the oval office as a personal platform that will add another order of magnitude to his wealth.
Z
So is it the corruption, the bad advisors, a mind-boggling amount of naivete, simple idiocy or some combination thereof?
More taxes on minimum wage workers? Sounds like you are listening to the Koch Brothers.
I understand that this information is somewhat disturbing, however President Obama is actually being very cunning in this move. He is setting the republitards up for smackdown! The republitards will refuse to support President Obama’s plan and in so doing set themselves up to be labeled as racist obstructionist. I believe that is actually the main strategy for President Obama’s reelection. In taking so many moderate, seemingly reasonable positions, President Obama portrays himself as being a reasonable man interested only in helping America. The republitards on the other hand show that they are nothing but vile racist with a single minded focus of damaging President Obama politically. We must support President Obama in this strategy. Doing so will ensure our victory in 012. If we stick together we can take the house back and expand our lead in the senate. In so doing we can then achieve our agenda. It’s the long game.
Reasonable man in the room, how about biggest turncoat in the room? Why not just quit now and allow the dems to choose someone they might be able to support? The dems that run in 2012 have alot to answer for from just following King Chaos and his policies. Hope they all have new jobs lined up for after the elections.
Like the phoenix, which is reborn from its ashes, Tony Hayward, the former chief executive of BP, will once again lead an oil company. Vallares Plc, an investment vehicle co-founded by Hayward and Nat Rothschild, confirmed it was buying Genel Energy, a Turkish oil and gas company operating in Iraq, through a reverse merger for $2.1 billion on Wednesday.
That is right our men and women die and civilians killed and we spend trillions of our tax dollars and corporations reap the rewards. But that is not enough, now the elderly, the sick, the poor will have to sacrifice while people like rothschild and hayward are set to reap 217 million profit on this deal
Glenn Greenwood on the Anthrax cover up
President Obama — in what I think is one his most indefensible acts — actually threatened to veto the entire intelligence authorization bill if it included a proposed bipartisan amendment (passed by the House) that would have mandated an independent inquiry into the FBI’s anthrax investigation. Democratic Rep. Rush Holt, whose New Jersey district was the site where the letters were allegedly mailed and one of the bill’s sponsors, said at the time he was appalled that “an Administration that has pledged to be transparent and accountable would seek to block any review of the investigation in this matter.”
Indeed, the veto threat issued by the Obama White House was refreshingly (albeit unintentionally) candid about why it was so eager to block any independent inquiry: “The commencement of a fresh investigation would undermine public confidence in the criminal investigation and unfairly cast doubt on its conclusions.”
How many more times can President Obama try to out Republican the Republicans?
At this point, he’s now set up a scenario where his supporters will fight this bill.
I just don’t get it.
Yes.
Yeah sure, dude. Just like limousine larry o’donnell said that he would smack the republicans down during that debt ceiling showdown. We all saw how that worked out … against us.
Z
What a douche.
I will turn 61 next year, and recently lost my job. I am uninsurable outside of a group plan. My wife will turn 64 next year and has a great job she loves with great insurance for both of us.
Maybe I’ll get a job before I turn 65 that has coverage for me, who knows?
But our fallback plan was for her to work until I was 65 so I could have medical coverage with medicare and she could quit work. At that point she’ll be 68 and ready to retire.
Unless I get a job with insurance, looks like this freak of a president will have my wife working until she’s 70—all for medical insurance reasons.
Hopefully the repub nominee will run on a “no cuts to medicare” platform, lol!
I call bullshit.
I would like nothing better than for you to be RIGHT.
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Well, maybe a new Dodge Hemi Challenger with the six speed. BUT, you come in a close second.
What flavor of Kool Aid did you drink today?
In taking so many moderate, seemingly reasonable positions, President Obama portrays himself as being a reasonable man interested only in helping America. The republitards on the other hand show that they are nothing but vile racist with a single minded focus of damaging President Obama politically
You are obviously trying to bait us. As for the racist crap it is not going to fly. So Obama better come up with an new plan. Obama is disliked for what he has done and the people he has hurt
That Obama’s a clever man.
I’m listening to DD above, not the Koch Brothers, when he says “Doing nothing and allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire.”
The bottom rate goes from 10% (now) to 15% (pre-Bush tax cuts), a 5% increase.
The key to Obama’s job creating strategy is to cut payroll taxes. This is important because those taxes fund Social Security and Medicare. Obama’s long term goal is to gut those programs, which is why he trying so hard to decimate their funding.
Me too!!!! Born in ’51 we’re both 60. Got no pension and only a 201K
MY wife and I have a plan “B”. We both still have a level term life policy worth $500K. As long as one of us dies before we’re 62 the other get the half mil.
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Whoa……if we BOTH live past 70, I got a big problem.
Sorry about that, but you are at least “lucky” enough to have a spouse with a great job and benefits for both of you (as I’m sure you realize).
I figure that most of us, if possible, had better plan to work until at least 70 bc the way things are going, we’re gonna need our benefits for as long as possible. Which ain’t good bc it means that the younger generations have to wait longer for us old farts to vamoose from the system.
Present gen of 20-somethings are rapidly turning into a Lost Generation. Won’t be many jobs for them; lucky to be WalMart employees; those jobs are getting much harder to find & stay in.
I share your disgust.
You know, this is about all I can take of Osterity for one day. The bad vibes are palpable.
I feel like I need to burn some sage.
Take care, piney.
ohmmm
That’s OK. I figures it out.
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Long walk off short, tall bridge.
Yep. Absolutely. Cutting the FICA income wage tax at the *exact* time when the wage cap should be *raised* not lowered. Anyone saying Obama’s got some “long range plan” had better realize that the long range plan is to mega-screw the middle & working classes. Cutting SS & Medicare is definitely ON Obama’s table, and Obama ain’t gonna rest until he guts those programs as much as he possibly can. Get ready to squeal, y’all.
This is Nobel-quality parody. So much win in one paragraph!
onit wrote: “Cutting SS & Medicare is definitely ON Obama’s table…”
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I think he MAY Be losing his table. And his house, and the chopper….
Oh trust me, absolutely do we realize we’ve got it good, better than many.
But isn’t that saying something about the sorry state of what now constitutes having it good? A couple where the husband just lost his job, is uninsurable, and whose wife may have to work until 70 to keep the unemployed spouse on health insurance.
That unfortunately constitutes the good life in the Obama years.
And if my wife loses her job . . . . . it’s tent city.
He pivoted right after the elections; his right wing transition team and first appointments demonstrates that.
I know you can’t help yourself, but aren’t we subsidizing the elites enough already?
It’s a seesaw and working just as the bosses intended.
Oh absolutely, and I’m d*mn sorry that’s the way it is. Not right, and as I said, it makes it worse for the younger gens who now cannot get jobs bc us oldsters have to cling & grasp to our jobs for as long as possible due to Osterity measures. Really sucks on all levels.
For me, I allegedly have “enough” savings that I *should* be able to retire around my mid-60s, but bugger that for a joke!! Although I’ve shifted a lot of my investments into “safer” vehicles, who the eff knows what’ll happen to that? And then, who the eff knows how I’m supposed to pay for health care??
So, it’s back to keeping my shoulder to the wheel for as long as possible. I’m “lucky,” too, in that I have a great job that I like, but I do feel that it’s too bad that I cannot retire soon, at least in order to open up a job for younger person.
My siblings are in the same position and plan to work for as long as the possibly can, probably at least until 70 or even longer….
Actually the Democrats had strong majorities in Congress during Obama’s first two years. The main thing we got out of that was the passage of Mitt Romney’s health insurance program.
However, in typical Obama fashion, the law doesn’t even take effect until 2014. So unless you live in Massachusetts, you don’t get Romneycare for three more years.
It takes a ‘Democratic’ president to kill the New Deal. And it’s easier for a black guy to do it, because it would be racist to oppose the black guy. Genius scheme.
People who still don’t believe this guy is a Trojan horse need to have their heads examined.
Eh? Stop making sense!! Doncha know that it was all part of the Grand Master Obama’s eleventy-dimensional Chess game to ensure that so-called “Democrats” lost their majority in the House & much depleted in the Senate??? All in order to one day display to Obamabots his “masterful” Chess playing… and then, boy! Will Obama really “fix” things. Just wait, you’ll see!! Oh, and by the way, keep clapping louder for Tinkerbell, too!!!
Bingo!
My biggest worry is the number of poor that are going to freeze to death in their homes this year due to the cuts in liheap funding. King Chaos should be so proud of himself, not only is he murdering civilians overseas, he has expanded his murderous administration to include our own country. Evil, just fucking pure evil.
Then he needs to hurry up and pull and LBJ/Coolidge. Times’s a wastin.
Are you saying DD is wrong to let the Bush tax cuts expire?
Obama is a FUCK. There i said it. He was the trojan horse needed after Bush to lull the people to believe once again in the system. I can not believe how many teary eyed idiots I saw crying the night he was elected. I wanted to scream. His rise to power was a scripted fairytale written on madison avenue. I’ll tell you what he was doing before he appeared out of nowhere ( it was nowhere to us but not to the powerful that helped behind the scenes) he was taking acting and speech lessons.
He doesn’t give a damn what we think. This was all about a power trip and the chance to be part of an elite group with guaranteed wealth for life.
Apparently another piece of BS he is going to offer up tomorrow is refi. Refi does not help those whose houses are underwater, and might even be a trojan horse. Because banks who do not have proper title can you your refi to get title.
Whatever he announces of this you can be sure the people will be screwed.
What’s not to get? He’s a Republican in everything but the courage to admit it.
President Obama must go!
There are no Congressional elections before these cuts and changes. We have to hit the streets to prevent them!
I don’t believe you are being sincere. If you want people to react negatively toward the Big 0 just tell the truth don’t invent stuff. Please?
Get ready for round two of “it only helps Obama when the left whines” BS.
Sure. Yeah. Whatever.
Still not voting for Obama.
Same Larry who said he knew he didn’t have to listen to a thing liberals said, they have nowhere else to go. Yep, that Larry. I think you are being too kind calling him limo larry.
I call him limousine liberal larry o’donnell … coz, at best, that’s what he is.
Z
After all of the evidence you still seem to believe that there is any significant difference between the corporate-owned Democratic and corporate-owned Republican parties. You probably believe that we reside in a democratic republic where your vote, rather than the vote counters, make a difference. Belief isn’t a bad thing, except when the facts prove antithetical to your beliefs. Try being objective rather than partisan and Obama’s actions become obvious.
I ask FDL to stop naming politicians as dems or repubs. From now on we should call them what they are
Corporatist or Corporate puppets. As in Corporate puppet Obama or corporate puppet romney.
if we are going to make a dent we need to stop using their language and start labeling the for what they are
“he wants out”
I wonder about that, and then I realize that would be a motive,or a tactic, of a person with some scruples and a conscience left . . .
My initial thought on O’s election, and now: getting elected was the whole thing; not actually doing anything positive; certainly not giving a damn about the electoral base. All the rest is just navigating within the CW mainstream and, apparently, the right channel of the stream. All those excuses that folks threw around for his reserve and passivity and “reaching out” — especially trying not to give any bait to be called “angry black man” (I guess muslim socialist never crossed his mind) — all true.
You’re not still wasting your time watching the faux liberals on MSNBC are you? They’re only capable of liberal rhetoric like their boyfriend Obama.
alan1tx, how long you been catapulting the propaganda? Is it $.05 per post or do you just do it for sh-ts and giggles?
This link shows alan1tx is not a truth teller about the Obama/shrub government de-investment revenue policy. Deliberate or mistaken? I’d say mistaken if there hadn’t been so clear a pattern.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129605962
I think you are onto something. Will be a hard habit to break through.
That approach would at least be factual when we live under one party fascist rule.
Guys, guys. Nothing satisfies you liberals. Increasing the Medicare eligibility age might not be 100% what we want, but it’s a small step in the right direction. Progress is still progress even when it’s slow. Be pragmatic.
Couldn’t agree with you more…Obama is really a Republican who endorses the Chicago School of economic thought…he’ll get done what needs to be done for this gang, and then if he gets re-elected, fine, if not, fine; he goes on to get rich like Clinton.
Yup. Obama’s pivots are more like a pirouette. Spin, spin, spin and go nowhere.
His advisers tell him burning more coal and polluted oil will let him kick even more people off the assistance.
Yep, at best. At least with Barry, we are getting better at flushing them out, knowing them for who they really are now that it has come down to taking side with the people or the elites.
OT– I see you like muscle cars but, um, doesn’t that one get 27 mpg or less? Can I instead interest you in this for your personal transport?
“I’ve seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn’t believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don’t want a phony Democrat. If it’s a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don’t want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.” – Harry S. Truman
My “daily driver” is a 97 Nissan 200SX, 4 cyl sport cpe. Class American Muscle cars are for weekends and car shows only. I’m very green. Recycle all the beer I drink at the ballpark.
I am so in agreement with the feelings on this thread that in general I can’t answer one. I will say that obumble can’t say that he is a repug because it would blow his cover and even the obamabots would react against him. The only eleventy dimensional chess being played by him is against us. As mswinkle points out, no matter what he does “you can be sure the people will be screwed.” When he had a powerful hand dealt to him in the congress, he deliberately ruined it. How, then, could he be gambling on doing so much more when he has shown that he has no interest in helping anyone but the 2%?
Probably they will raise SS to 70 and Medicare to 67. More poor, uninsured people. Good going President Osterity!
Agreed, it’s an interesting idea that he wants out, but not how I see it either. His job isn’t finished and he went to the White House to begin the long hard work of pragmatically and incrementally disassembling the social safety net and an entire middle class. He prides himself on no ideology because his allegiance is to wealth and those who wield it ONLY.
Save a bullet for your retirement. What they are saying here is that there is no more future in America, there is only a grim ride down a long increasingly bad road to nowhere. Except for the already wealthy who think that they can live happily behind their fences and walls. They should read an old story by Edgar Alan Poe on this subject, “The Mask of Red Death.”
Oops! I was wrong:
http://peterdaou.com/2011/09/progressives-vindicated-by-new-polls/
Yea, but, even that won’t pass the House. If they raise the eligibility age for Medicare, there should be a hue and cry from every corner of the nation (which, of course, won’t be reported by the MSM). Hopefully, the H&C will be reflected in the 2012 ballot box. I know a couple staunch (and raunchy) republicans who have been waiting on healthcare because they can’t afford it until they get on Medicare. Again, hopefully, these austerity S.o.bees are cutting their own throats…question is, what happens if EVERYONE in D.C. is doing the dirty deed?
That’s a great link.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129605962
I only suggested it would be a 4% to 5% hike in taxes to let the Bush tax cuts expire. Your link calculates a $10,000 income at 50% increase if we let them expire. Thanks for supporting the working man.
$20,000 income, 40% increase.
$30,000 income, 23.5% increase.
$40,000 income, 16.7% increase.
Etc.
Go ahead, try it – it’s your link. You’ve proven that letting the Bush tax cuts “for the rich” expire, is REALLY bad for the poor.
What I don’t get is how anyone who is paying remote attention (and admittedly a LOT of citizens pay no attention at all) – as in certain citizens who blog at some other places (cough cough orange) – can continue to drink the Kool Aid and say how “great” Obama is, and just you wait, aaannnny moment now, aaaannnnnyyyy moment, Obama’s going to do “it.” Whatever “it” happens to be is never really specified, but boyohboy are we all gonna be dancing amidst the unicorns ‘n rainbows.
Seriously, for those who regularly blog and apparently read newspapers (for whatever that’s worth) and follow some kind of “nooz” (again: disclaimer but still) on tv/radio… how any so-called “Democrat” or leftie can *still* defend is Obama is waaaaay beyond my comprehension.
Just like the dittoheads, I guess. Very authoritarian.
Yes…the dem is dead, but it’s demise is too late to find something else that will save us.
Yep. pretty much seems that way…
Great idea! When it breaks down, you can just sit by the side of the road and smoke it.
That’s the ticket, and real “win” for the mega-rich and their hired help, Barack Obama.
alan1tx, yes, a small part of what you said was true. So is it simply that you are imprecise? However, you aren’t even telling the truth or can’t understand what you are seeing. Look at the third column for single and married.
If you can’t see how what you said was almost entirely wrong, I’m unsure what the problem is.
“I wonder about that, and then I realize that would be a motive,or a tactic, of a person with some scruples and a conscience left . . .”
It’s gotten nothing to do with anything except what is best for him … that’s all he cares about and sitting in the oval office as the deplorable polices that he helped effectuate play out IS NOT IN HIS BEST INTERESTS. And he’s too smart and too self-interested to not realize that. He’d much rather start his plush post-presidency life than be held responsible for another 4 almost certainly sure to be trying years for this country. He’s rather slink away now and start living the relatively stress-free and more lucrative post-presidency life.
Z
You working to ’70 guys do realize, I hope, that no one wants you in the workplace when you’re old and grey. I was put out to pasture at ’60, and the number of job offers I got (eight years ago) could be counted on the fingers of a ripe plumb.
I’ll go on record predicting a deal that cuts entitlements in exchange for short-term stimulus WILL pass the House, and the Senate. And Obama will sign it.
It’s either that or nothing passes and we’re back to square one. And square one will be Obama with a sub-40% approval rating. He’ll give the GOP whatever they want to avoid that.
It’s giving the GOP 98% or more of what they want that got him his low approval. I don’t understand what you wrote.
The economy, the economy, the economy is what is going to keep driving his numbers down.
If Oilbumbler gets in we’ll be fucked. If a Repub gets in we’ll be fucked. The whole thing has to implode. Wonder when? It’ll be worse than 08 and unfixable. They’ve been diddling while Rome burns. The rot has set in.
I’m in my mid-forties. How long can I hold on to my job? What future do I have?
How is that progress exactly? Seems like a step backwards
Increasing the eligibility age is not just not 100% of what “us liberals” want. It’s the exact opposite. If anything we should be providing medicare to EVERYONE.
That’s true. But Obama’s in panic mode now, so I predict he’s going to go from giving the GOP 98% of what they want (which they rejected) to giving them 100% of what they want.
What do you think Obama’s going to do? Failing to make a deal is a proven loser for him.
got some names for you
Pete Peterson
Robert Rubin
Larry Summers
Bill Clinton
No need to look any more as to the people behind the curtain..Clinton wanted to make cuts to SS Medicare and Medicaid so he could pay off Wall st in return for money and dupport for the Dem party..only Monica L BJ story stopped him…
I was being sarcastic, running with the New Age/Orwellian version of the Democratic agenda.
I can’t tell if you are just clueless, hopelessly naive, or what. How well has your clever strategy worked to date? So well that the Republicans took the House and are poised to take the Senate. Brilliant! Any day now Obama will rip off the suit hiding his Superman disguise and save the world. Yeah, sure.
I cannot tell you how much I despise that man, whom I voted for in 2008 to my everlasting regret, and how fervently I hope he loses in 2012.
Was there ever a doubt Obama would put Medicare back on the table. Wait for it, Social Security’s not far behind. For those stupid, moronic people out there still saying this guy is playing chess, you’re a freaking moron! This guy is bound and determined to hand the election over to the Republicans next year so he can be remembered as a President willing to do big things, and enact a huge deficit package. Nevermind the huge thing he’s doing is the exact same thing the GOP would do, and it only asks sacrifice from the people who can least afford it, and have already given so much. This ought to answer the other rumor floating around about Obama, YES HE IS A REPUBLICAN.
As far as his mediocre job package goes, to quote Ronald Reagan, HERE WE GO AGAIN! More failed policies from this Republican president. Let’s see, extend the payroll tax cut desgned by the GOP as a backdoor maneuver to undermine Social Security and Medicare more quickly, and here’s the cherry on top, they get to blame Democrats for it. Extension of unemployment benefits, great idea. Better to spend billions on benefits that pay around 40% of actual wages, instead of taking those billions, investing them in infrastructure projects, green jobs, and transportation jobs with full wages. Makes sense to me?
Can somebody please tell me once again why this guy shouldn’t be primaried and pushed out of the Democratic party? I’d swear Bush is inhabiting Obama’s body. If this is what the Democratic party stands for, count me out. If we’re going enact the GOP’s policies, and give them the pleasure of blaming them on Democrats, why not let the REAL GOP enact them. If we’re going to continue over the cliff, let’s not let the Democratic party go over with it. Let’s let Obama stand and fall completely on his own, as he apparently thinks the American people should. I’ve had it!!!!!!!
Don’t go there. The Orwellian mode appears to be highly addictive.
I agree with the sentiment, but perhaps we could just attach a prefix, such as Corp-D or Corp-R to denote the corporatism. It would also serve as a reminder.
I think Obama’s going to keep behaving as he always has.
I’m still confused by what you are saying. What are the examples where he hasn’t made a deal? Maybe I am forgetting?
It’s is his “grand bargain”ing and wheeling and dealing behind the scenes where he puts everything wrong on the table including us chumps who voted for him that are a proven loser for him. I don’t think you are, but I hope you are not trying to spin his “accomplishments” as successes.
What am I missing? I’m open to being wrong or just plain confused but show me how.
- Catfood I failed to reach agreement
- Bush tax cut renewal deal perceived at failing to improve the economy
- Debt ceiling “grand bargain” failed
All the above hurt Obama politically. I predict this time he’ll do anything to pass a “grand bargain” that includes significant stimulus.
What we’ve been subjected to over the last 40+ years isn’t “progress”, it’s “regress”. No one except the wealthy and willfully ignorant should be satisfied with that.
After all the evidence that proves his actions are antithetical to his rhetoric, you still “believe” Obama gives a damn about the bottom 95% of US citizens. That’s just delusional.
Not amusing. Next time identify it as snark so we don’t waste our comments on your poor attempt at sarcasm.
Obama is like Ditech Mortgage. He’ll find a way to give them 125 per cent of what they request.
Catfood 1 failed to reach a deal and how did that cost him? It very well should not have reached a deal considering it was stacked with clowns except for was it one member?
He did a bad deal to keep the shrub depression starter kit in place. I guess I am just confused how that was failing to make a deal.
He didn’t see his debt ceiling passage as a fail.
I think calling those “failing to make a deal”, bad deals at that, is unnecessarily confusing. That he try to do something bad and fail at some level may hurt him, well, it should. His perceived successes hurt us too. I think it is just too blurry a framing for me to process.
It was more funny for its subtlety.
Hahaha hehe :)
That’s funny too, but I like subtlety as well.
I don’t think so. The proposal was “letting the Bush taxes expire”. The third column is a new Obama plan to only tax the rich. Obama can’t do that using his veto pen as DD described above.
I think I’m quite precise.
Here’s the dilemma that I’m in. Listening to the Repub candidates, are we more in trouble having them in the President’s seat with likely a continuing repub house and maybe/maybe not senate dem. Because right now, I think this scenario is really scary (maybe because I am 62 and the wife 56). If the congress were strongly dem, then I would vote against Obama, but I said, that is not likely, and our only chance of any control, if even repub in nature, though not literally, is keeping Obama in office. What a nasty decision to have to make – the worst of two evils.
Yeah, I thought maybe someone had taken over your soul or something because you are usually spot on. I missed the snark…. been a long day. And anything pertaining to Obama gets me all hot and bothered.
I’m 60 and this issue is the ultimate deal breaker for me. I will NEVER vote for Obama.
Actually, no you are quite the opposite.
You said
That is absolutely inaccurate. I accept that it appears the lowest wage earners, under $8575/yr would take a hit. So your statement is correct for that group but not for the others until after $382,550/yr.
I don’t claim to be a tax expert, but I do know wrong when I see it. On something as important as the government defunding that is cratering and contributing to reckless austerity, is it really so wrong to demand one gets the facts right? I get things wrong from time to time, just admit it and prove me wrong about what I have come to too often expect from your posts.
Yes and raising Medicare to age 67 will probably cost each senior a $1000 per month for health insurance assuming they can find a company to insure them. Two years = $24,000. This is the worst deal for seniors every conceived by politicians.
Medicare eligibility age should be lowered with seniors buying in before 65. This would increase the health of the medicare pool of recipients.
Which Party will more effectively, pragmatically and incrementally disassemble the New Deal?
Which Party intends a race to the bottom that would otherwise stand in its way if the members were in their right minds?
Could Bush dismantle public education and erode social security?
Obama is death by a thousand cuts and he intends to ride his Party to glorious grand bargains.
It’s not so difficult for me to imagine which is worse.
I’m a ’51 baby too. I think I agree.
Medicare E for Everyone.
We’ve all fucking had it!!
Ifn you don’t have an employer who provides or subsidizes health insurances you are screwed, blued and tatooed.
Forest wrote: “Obama is death by a thousand cuts ..”
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Hadn’t heard it put that way but OH SOOOOO appropriate.
Maybe President Buckle will switch parties and run as a Teabag candidate and chose Michelle as VP.
Several people smarter than me have said that the current 20 somethings will be the first generation that did NOT haver it BETTER than their parents.
I am afraid that is TOTALLY TRUE. And I know who to blame. The US government.
Great idea!
What EXACTLY would a Republican president do that Obama won’t do? Be specific please.
Was laid off at 59 and had to get health insurance. Got Kaiser but premium was $450 per month at age 63. It is a real problem for anyone age 60 to 64 and better not have any preexisting condition or cannot get insurance easily.
You must be a plant or someone from OFA. I’m sorry if that is rude but honest to God, are you paying attention? In what way have we been benefitted by any of Obama’s cunning maneuvers? I think we simply did not take in deeply that he was from the University of Chicago, has hung with bankers and is basically, as he himself said, a free market kind of guy. We may be better off with him over Perry, but that’s about it.
So, what are the 20 somethings doing about it since this will effect their future for years to come? Are they in the streets demanding a better future? Are they demanding better Presidential and Congressional representatives? Has Madison Avenue and propaganda convinced them to just “go with the flow” and maintain the status quo? Do they realize that someday, they too will be older and since they are most likely about to lose some of their “productive years”, will appreciate Medicare and Social Security (unless the programs are destroyed by the Democratic and Republican parties).
It bodes poorly for ALL of our futures that the younger generation isn’t actively doing something in massive numbers to change the direction we are going. By the way, I am NOT trying to get a generational war going as that is completely counterproductive. I just want to see more action by those who especially have a long working future (hopefully) ahead of them.
How old will obama have to be in order to receive his federal health insurance?
Has anyone adapted any of the ’08 Obama posters to read “Osterity”?? That would kinda neat. The Obama logo? Maybe with some funereal colors?
The young people see what is happening. Give it time.
Would admit to being Republican! :)
Beside that I got nothing. At least on the big stuff, I am fairly certain.
A more pragmatic solution is difficult for me to imagine, heard it first on Hartmann’s radio show.
Bad acid trip, very bad, hope you recover.
Best fucking news today!
Obama wants to be able to wear the mantle of St. Ronnie the Transformative.
Only raising the Medicare age?
He must be counting on the Committee of the Twelve Puppet Caesars to gut SocSec.
Obama is after both of these great Democratic safety net legislative achievements.
(When will the Tea Partiers get out their “Keep your government hands off my Medicare?” signs from the last election? And their “Keep our hands off my SocSec” signs?)
I don’t think we’ll ever get together on this.
I said
How about a 4 to 5% tax increase on everyone.
I thought everyones taxes would go up by that amount if we reverted to the Bush tax cuts for the rich. You accept that it appears the lowest wage earners, under $8575/yr would take a hit. You claim my statement is correct for that group but not for the others until after $382,550/yr.
Plug in any amount in your link. The percents are all more than 4%.
I’m not a tax expert either, but I can plug numbers into the link you provided, and I can figure tax increase.
Demand one gets the facts right?
Show me the math where my post is wrong if you are so demanding, and I’ll admit it, I’ve done it before. On a percentage basis – Bush tax cuts for the rich were not. Dollar wise, yes.
The issue was getting rid of the Bush tax cuts, and as a percentage, they hurt the poor more than the rich.
Any you could be nicer.
“I have come to too often expect from your posts.”
Anyone can look at the tables I provided in the link and see your information is imprecise or innacurate. That’s ok, you won’t admit it and I no longer care to challenge it so there is no point in our agreeing to disagree.
I knew you couldn’t do it. :-)
See you around.