I’ve only been able to catch snippets of last night’s GOP primary debate in Simi Valley, particularly Rick Perry’s double down on the “Social Security is a monstrous lie and a Ponzi scheme” argument. This has led to an interesting argument about electability and Presidential primaries. Some, like Nate Silver and Matt Yglesias, think that electability is a major factor, and that Perry hurt himself last night by signaling an attack on Social Security, which is a cherished benefit for the largest group of GOP primary voters, the elderly. Here’s a sample of the argument, from Silver.
Electability does matter to primary voters. Historically, parties have rarely nominated the most ideologically extreme candidates in their field. Yes, George McGovern and Barry Goldwater won — but they have been more the exceptions than the rule as compared with a host of others (Howard Dean, Pat Robertson, Jesse Jackson, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Brown) who lost.
In fact, Mr. Perry’s lead in the polls right now is based in part on perceptions that he is electable. The recent Washington Post / ABC News poll posed an interesting set of questions to Republican voters — asking them who they thought was closest to them on the issues, and who they thought was most able to defeat President Obama, in addition to their first overall choice.
Mr. Perry led the Republican field on each of the measures. But his lead was actually larger on the electability question: 30 percent of Republican voters said they thought he had the best chance of defeating Mr. Obama, versus 20 percent for Mr. Romney. By contrast, Mr. Perry held a smaller, 6-point lead over Mr. Romney on the question of his issue positioning [...]
But back to the primaries: voters and parties are looking to calibrate these two objectives — picking a candidate who has a good shot at winning, and picking one who can be counted upon to advance their agenda. In a reasonably competitive field, failing either test will usually be disqualifying.
I don’t have the greatest read on the GOP electorate and I won’t pretend to have one. And I’m not saying that a frontal assault on Social Security WON’T hurt Perry among voters. But I will say a couple things. First of all, there’s an assumption that this is a reasonably competitive field. In fact, Perry has a large lead based on every major poll that has come out in the last three weeks. Yes, he’s soared rapidly and could fall rapidly; but he does have a decided advantage right now. In addition, I think Silver and Yglesias are basing their opinions on a conception of primary electorates that isn’t tailored to the modern GOP. Based on the historical readings of the 2010 election, the GOP should have taken the Senate. The only reason they didn’t take the Senate is that primary voters in Colorado and Delaware and Nevada (an early 2012 primary state) chose unelectable candidates in primaries, and they went on to lose in general elections. Electability was a part of those races, in some cases a central part. That didn’t matter.
You have a primary electorate who cheers at an invocation of Rick Perry executing over 200 prisoners in Texas. I just don’t think there’s a lot of game theory going on. Perry gives the GOP base another cowboy hero who pisses off liberals. That’s certainly good enough for their vote.
Plus, I would say that regardless of the nuances in the arguments, whoever the GOP nominee turns out to be will deliver pretty much the exact same agenda in 2012 and in a hypothetical Presidency, with little changes. It’s not like Mitt Romney is going to be some Bloombergian moderate in office; look at his immediate spending cap of over $400 billion in near-term cuts, based on his economic plan. Not only do all Republican candidates have the same plans, they’re going to use the same lies to justify those plans (by the way, how about NYT with this fact-check article?).
So I don’t see how electability plays into this at all. I suppose opinion leaders and cultural media forces could bias voters into thinking that one Republican can win where another cannot. But I see the GOP base as totally rejecting the opinions of opinion leaders and cultural media forces; in fact, based on the recent past it will send them screaming in the other direction.
One final postscript from the debate, highlighted by Kevin Drum. This is from Rick Perry:
The other thing this president’s done, he has proven for once and for all that government spending will not create one job. Keynesian policy and Keynesian theory is now done. We’ll never have to have that experiment on America again.
I fear this is totally true, because Democrats never explained or defended what they were trying to do with the economy in 2009, allowing Republicans to label it a failure and foreclose the option of any more stimulus spending. That Rick Perry’s “job miracle” is mostly based on a high rate of public sector growth is immaterial to this argument.




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I suspect that Silver et al are doing their darndest to attempt a Br’er Rabbit “please don’t throw me in the briar patch” gambit. By acting as if Perry is perfectly electable in the general, they hope to encourage the South Carolina GOP to back him over Romney, who in reality is the only Republican with a prayer against Obama next year.
Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are a lot like OBAMA, they all work for the same bosses
Rick Perry and Mitt Romney will lie like OBAMA done in 2008 to win the GOP nomination, and once they get into the WH, do What Wall Street says
Matt Tabbi said it best, when one looks inside the OBAMA WH, one clearly realizes it full of Wall Street bankers or people tied to Wall Street.
In 2008 OBAMA acted like a progressive to win, and turned into Sarah Palin once he got into the WH.
New York Marketing firms have done an AWESOME job making USA citizens believe that OBAMA is SMART.
What makes OBAMA smarter than Sarah Palin?
Palin would have kept the Bush Tax Cuts
Palin would have kept the BUSH Wars
Palin would have roll back the Clean Air act to 1997 standards
Palin would have attacked and tried to kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade etc.
I ask again what makes OBAMA smarter than Sarah Palin?
Obama speaks better? but action are always louder than words
Is Obama electable?
Forget all the polls, the Corporate Media Hype? we all know come Nov 2012
Obama has no shot at winning!
Why? last night showed 1 thing, the GOP base is pump up, and would vote for the Devil if he was running, who says he is not.
When one looks at the DEM base, one sees no energy especially in regards to helping OBAMA win in 2012
Obama biggest problem is he thinks he won in 2012 base on his phony speeches? NO, OBAMA won in 2008, because people hated George Bush.
the fact is less than 50% of college grads like OBAMA
less than 50% of young voters like OBAMA
less than 50% of hispanic voters like OBAMA “Markos said this last night on KO show”
I ask again is OBAMA electable? NO
Obama may do us 1 big favor, and this is what most Dem big wigs fear, Obama may end the Dem party as we know it!
Labor has already jump ship on the Dem party
Progressives have been gone from the Dem party
Enviornmentalise will be leaving OBAMA very soon “Obama is going to vote for the pipeline”
Obama is killing the phony 2 party system, more and more people hate both political parties, thus giving the idea of a people party LEGS.
Dem big wigs fear, the concept of another political force under mining their KABUKI game.
Once you take Progressives, LABOR, Enviornmentalist, etc. away from the Dem party, what do you have left? NOTHING really
Dem Big wigs are very concerned about this? they keep asking why is our triangulation games falling a part?
I would tell you? Not
the 84 year old man in Georgia said it best, the GOP Base hates Obama more than they love the USA.
Obama won because people hated Bush
Perry, Romney, will win in 2012 because people hate OBAMA
David,
You’re becoming “depressing” when addressing Keynesian Theory and Practice.
Thusly, the Center-Left should be taking Perry to task for his view that Keynesianism is bereft of Modernism. To wit, the “bailout” accomplished by the Federal Reserve and its digitized $16 trillion should be considered as “damage repair” for our economy. And in another scenario, Keynesianism would include “beyond repairability” and as such, the Federal Reserve should digitize the requisite $2.2 trillion for Infrastructure, since the Federal Reserve is one of the readily available “executive tools” for our Sytemic for Self-Governance.
Therefore, this form of economics can be called “The Jaango Systemic” or perhaps, the “David Dayenism” Theory for Thought and Practice, and of course, should you agree with me, I will defer to the David Dayenism School for Economic Thought and Practice.
Consequently, Perry has his head up his ass and can’t see the daylight that will eventually bring about America’s racial and ethnic self-governance model, in the year’s ahead.
Jaango
Jaango
just think, if one of these mormons win the election, we’ll be trading the Obamabots who call us racists, for the Kobolites, who will be calling us anti-semites when we disagree with the policies of the Israelite President.
I’m not kidding. Everyone one who is not Mormon or Jewish is a gentile.