We’re just going to get trial balloon after trial balloon until next Monday, when the President is set to announce his batch of deficit reduction ideas for the Catfood Commission II. Now the balloon has flown all the way to England, and the offices of the Financial Times:
Barack Obama is expected to lay out a plan next week that would cut several hundred billion dollars from Medicare and Medicaid, the large government healthcare schemes for the elderly and the poor, as part of a pitch to cut future deficits by more than $1,500bn.
Senior White House officials said the US president would base a detailed blueprint for fiscal reform, which is to be delivered on Monday, on an earlier speech he delivered in April on deficit reduction.
The announcement could create tensions within the Democratic party, which has traditionally staunchly defended Medicare. Mr Obama’s fiscal proposal will be released just one week after the president unveiled a separate plan to raise more than $450bn to pay for a jobs bill that senior officials said would be the president’s singular focus in coming weeks.
If it is truly based on the April speech, it would include a really bad policy for Medicaid, the “blended rate” proposal that is mainly designed to reduce federal expenditures on the program, and force states to either pass the costs onto individuals or reduce reimbursements for providers on an already lean program, which is likely to lead providers to stop taking Medicaid patients. Either way, the impact on Medicaid recipients, among the poorest in society, is sharply negative.
But the April speech did not include the truly execrable increase in the Medicare eligibility age. The cuts to Medicare in that speech were more along the lines of provider reductions that built on the changes in the Affordable Care Act, and allowing Medicare to negotiate the price of prescription drugs. Since that speech, however, in July, we learned that Obama offered the increase in the eligibility age in “grand bargain” talks with John Boehner.
As Matt Yglesias points out today, if you really want to lower health care costs, you would be lowering the Medicare eligibility age, since Medicare provides health care at a much cheaper cost than the private insurance model. All this proposal would do is make health care more costly as a whole, while shifting those costs onto states and individuals. Hospitals would love it because they would get paid more for doing the same work. That’s why the American Hospital Association is on board.
The article says that ideas will also be drawn from the grand bargain that Obama and Boehner discussed in July, so it’s highly probable that an increase in the eligibility age will be in there, along with the previously mentioned hit to Big Pharma. And then there’s this, the return of the chained CPI.
Mr Obama’s plan could also feature a change in the way the US government measures inflation, switching to a less generous chained-consumer price index. The biggest impact of this measure – which could save between $250bn and $300bn over ten years – would be felt by recipients of Social Security, the retirement scheme.
During the failed July talks, the White House agreed to put that change in place starting in 2015, but with protections for low-income workers.
In his jobs speech last week, the President pointedly did not mention Social Security, while mentioning Medicare and Medicaid. The chained CPI would also be a regressive tax increase in addition to a cut on anything with a cost of living adjustment, like Social Security, food stamps and veterans benefits.
These are the kinds of programs that kept millions of people out of poverty last year, and their reduction would simply open the floodgates on poverty and increase human misery.
Again, let’s see what gets released on Monday. But if you think that the President is having trouble now with public opinion and institutional Democrats, wait until this thing gets released.
UPDATE: Let me throw on the flip a letter from Al Franken and several other Democratic Senators, urging the Super Committee to defend Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Just so you see the consternation that will result from this announcement by the White House.
Dear [Member of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction]:
Congratulations on your appointment to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. Through this unprecedented bicameral and bipartisan process, you will have the opportunity to both stabilize our nation’s deficits and shape its fiscal policy for years to come. As you begin to take on this great responsibility, we write today to urge you to defend the programs on which tens of millions of elderly and disadvantaged Americans rely. Specifically, we urge you to protect Social Security, Medicare benefits, and the Medicaid program.
Our present deficits result largely from the unaffordable and regressive tax cuts signed into law during the previous administration. We therefore believe that deficit reduction should begin with closing unjustifiable tax loopholes and gimmicks, which overwhelmingly benefit large corporations and wealthy families. Special-interest tax deductions and credits operate as subsidies for favored industries and should be viewed no differently from direct cash payments. By streamlining our tax laws, we can generate hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue at the same time as we level the corporate playing field and ensure that millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share for the upkeep of our nation.
In contrast to profitable corporations and the wealthy, the tens of millions of Americans who rely on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid often have no resources to spare. In fact, the average annual benefit for the 38 million Americans who receive Social Security retirement benefits is just $13,600. This modest and essential income kept 36% of seniors out of poverty in 2008 according to the AARP. Just as critically, 37 million American seniors and 68 million children and adults rely on Medicare and Medicaid, respectively, for their health care. Even small cuts to these essential programs would bring widespread suffering to some of our most vulnerable citizens. We believe that is unfair and unnecessary.
Once again, we congratulate you on your appointment and wish you success in what will surely be an arduous process. We hope you will use this opportunity to stabilize the budget, so that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will be secure for many generations to come.
Sincerely,
Senators Whitehouse, Gillibrand, Blumenthal, Franken, Brown, Sanders, Lautenberg, Akaka, Harkin, Merkley, and Reed




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How sad that David Broder didn’t live to see this.
Hey Barack, how are your trillion-dollar wars going?
Progressives need to find a platform, get up on it, and stick a fork in this guy’s balloons.
I’ll second that suggestion.
So Bush cots taxes, starts some wars, Barack doubles down and now, now that we will spend up to $4 trillion on those wars, what does he propose? Reverse those tax cuts and update tax law? Fuck no !!! Lets just take it out of the poor and the elderly. Fuck you Barack.
Clearly, Obama is terrified of confrontation. The only viable solution for medicare cost reduction is to reduce mega-cost services made available to recipients at life expectency + ? years. But the minute Rebublicans framed this idea as “killing Granny”, Obama turned & ran.
Obama is the WORST Democratic President ever & one of the worst Presidents ever. And, Democrats in Congress are just as bad because they’ve refused to do what’s right and what’s needed.
Organized protest is our only way of potentially blocking these cuts.
http://october2011.org/
Starting on October 6, 2011, thousands of concerned Americans will assemble in Freedom Plaza, in Washington DC to take control of our country and our lives. We will occupy the plaza and hold a People’s Assembly where we come up with just and sustainable solutions to the crises we face and demand that these solutions be presented and that the people’s needs be addressed. We will plan and engage in creative acts of civil resistance and demand that our inherent rights and freedoms be protected, and that our children have a chance to live in peace,to breathe clean air, and to grow edible natural food.
Seems like these balloons have been floating for a long time. At what point are they not balloons but warnings of what is to come?
Also, too, whatever happened to the People’s budget? There’s no better indicator that most politicians from both parties are ignoring the people than the crickets reception for the People’s budget.
Don’t know why the GOPers bother with their Bachman/Romney/Perry/etc. road show. Be a lot simpler to nominate Obama. Best GOP prez ever.
I will try to be there and give them a few bucks.
The writing’s on the wall, friend. Either we do something or we’re doomed.
I’m convinced that President Obama doesn’t want to be re-elected. He’s doing the job he always intended to do. He’s the nominally Democratic president that is going to actively dismantling the foundational programs of the New Deal and Great Society. This is something a Republican president could never do. There’s no difference on economic matters between the two political parties once Dems sign on to cripple these programs. President Obama is doing it and simultaneously destroying the Democratic party.
We need direct action and a new LABOR party in the US that represents and fights for the interests of the working class!
Even the Social Security benefit reduction via “chained CPI” is not off the table – although Obama has dropped it from his speeches, and FT does not discuss it.
Guess that one will be the one he reluctantly agrees to.
Right on! A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
This thread is pretty negative against President Obama, I’m afraid I’ll need to report all of you to AttackWatch.
I think I need to take a break from reading about the endless supply of shit sandwiches this administration is force-feeding us because I see the phrase “trial balloon” and I imagine a massive court room suspended from a zeppelin in the sky where all these criminal corporate lap-dog representatives have been convicted of their crimes and are subsequently made to walk the plank at sword-point… and it’s floating over a volcano, or a cactus farm, or a den of vipers, or a pool of pirranhas, or sharks or crocodiles….
I have been saying the same thing for quite awhile. I called my Union Local and urged them to merge with other unions to run a candidate under the Labor Label. Now it appears that Labor is going to back Obama.
no kidding.
No matter what happens, no matter what he says now and then he always ends up in the same place.
the evil of obama knows no limits.
cut the tiny cola that SS people are getting to maintain tax cuts for the rich.
and SS doesnt have a thing to do with the debt.
its a transfer of money to the war budget.
this is all a done deal because this debt limit never had to be part of the discussion.
obama opended the door for only one reason to CUT SS medicare etc.
i hate to repeat myself but unless everyone realizes obamas goal is to destroy the middle class and the democratic party then we are lost.
i dont see any way to stop him.
obama can not win re-election so he is going for broke to enable the republican winner.
the democrats as a party will be finished after the 2012 elections.
everything is going according to plan.
When our corp masters have figured out that we’ve been battered with them enough & have become resigned into accepting them. You must leave those impt decisions up to those who know much better than we do, EW.
I have a hard time understand Obama’s strategy.
Give a rah rah jobs speech, give everyone a week to praise it and raise their hopes, then come back and take a dump all over them by proposing cuts to SS, Medicare and Medicaid.
obama is a fucking scumbag
He’s always said one thing and actually DONE another.
No real change there.
He’s done that quite a few times bef on this very subject. It was during the stim where his message was stim now, but deficit redn is very very very impt. I remember calling the tactic inchoate at the time. The bully pulpit is a very impt power of the prez. If he gives a mixed message, it reduces the influence of both. And since stim then and jobs now, if he cared about the economy, should be his only message, one can infer from the mixed message that he doesn’t give a ff about economy, just instating programs that will allow the rich to rip off the rest.
Nice.
Tell me about it.
Obama’s going around asking supporters to rally ’round his jobs plan, yet he himself has said he would sign a different bill, and he’s hinted that entitlement cuts are acceptable too.
…And these are the same supporters that already got burned over the ACA/Public Option fiasco…
How’s anyone supposed to get fired up about this? On a political level, as well as a policy level, it’s insanity.
The major labor unions owe their power to the Democratic Party who helped crush the more radical unions who got us the things that are being taken away, like 40 hour work weeks, vacations, child labor laws, etc. They’re better than having no union, but they will never be a consistent strong force in opposition to the Democratic Party. The union leaders tend to issue their threats during off election years so they can please the union members who are understandably angry with both parties and even the union itself. That keeps them loyal enough, stringing them along with false hope.
I’ve been reluctant to accept your argument that this IS Obama’s true agenda. I could not get my mind around that idea. But, I can’t convince myself any longer.
My grandpa was active in the democratic party. He met JFK and LBJ. He knew how important it was. He’s bound to be turning over in his grave to see how a democratic president is behaving.
Is it something like the Tonton Macoutes?
it will take a lotta guts to assemble in freedom square. hope people have lawyers on call. in the US, ‘freedom’ is just seven letter word.
The next revolution will make the 60′s look like pin the tail on the donkey.
There’s a lot of pissed off “rank and file” democrats in this contry and the convention could get interesting. I am seriously hoping to get involved in my precinct this time. I’m not gonna sit by and take this crap.
Union leaders are part of the PTB. Read Zinn on unions. The most effective strike actions are the ones that come from the members.
’68 conventions are still fresh in my mind. The people CAN make difference.
All I know is that you will be dragged off when you least expect it for saying something like “Obama is a jerk”.
Like I just did there.
Hold on, there’s someone at the d
Conventions are prolly too tightly controlled to allow anything like that to happen these days. Back then there was real balloting. Now the candidate is anointed well in advance and the convention is just a collection of boring speeches and glad handing. The PTB figured out how to make sure they don’t lose control of conventions anymore.
Heh.
I can’t think of anything more likely to stimulate a ’68 reunion than cuts in Medicare and Social Security.
We’re overdo for starting a new political party for the left anyway.
Should make the Green Party Presidential candidate nominating process a lot more interesting. I like Cynthia McKinney getting more camera time.
I don’t know if the left will end up choosing the Green Party as it’s final home. It’s theirs to lose for the moment. Matt Damon should get to have something to say on where the left ends up too. He helped get this discussion started.
Now I think Green Party, Working Families Party, people involved in Progressive Alliance discussions ought to have a great big meeting somewhere in the middle of the country.
It is another sternly worded letter. Written by idiots, full of crap and signifying nothing.
There will be a LOT of people with “skin in the game” and that could make for some interesting floor fights. Will Dan Rather get “bonked” on the head? Probably not. But he might get run over by a “Lark”.
A further betrayal of “hope,” and a massive betrayal of core Democratic values.
I don’t know about that.
If one person runs up on the podium and says, “Obama is a jerk”, the Secret Service will probably throw him down, handcuff him, and haul him away.
If two people, TWO people, run up on the podium and say “Obama is a jerk”, they probably just taser them and drag them offstage.
But if a hundred people, A HUNDRED PEOPLE, run up on the podium, say “Obama is a jerk” and go back to their seats, that would be a “movement”. The “Anti Obama, save the middle class, screw corporate America, preserve SS/Medicare/Medicaid movement. And that would be something to see.
I am really gonna try with my connections to be there as a delegate this time. And I’m not j ust whistling Dixie.
Why not do something that makes sense, is easily accomplished and doesn’t hurt the “little people”?
DeFazio, Senate Democrats offer plan to stabilize Social Security’s finances
“That “step,” which is spelled out in bills that DeFazio introduced in February and on Wednesday by eight Democratic senators, would require people earning more than $250,000 to pay Social Security taxes.
. . .
‘”We have a choice: We can tell our children and grandchildren that their Social Security benefits will be cut in order to maintain a tax loophole for the richest 6 percent, or we can close this loophole and guarantee the full Social Security benefits promised to future generations.”‘
More.
Obama does heartily dislike and fear confrontation, but I’ve come to believe that he genuinely believes in gutting Social Security, Medicare, and screwing the majority of Americans. Why else would he continually fold and give in?
There is only one possible answer. O is Wall St.’s stealth candidate, put there to turn the big three over to them. It is the only thing that makes any fucking sense at all.
Because in Obama’s world NOTHING has value in itself – everything is negotiable. After three years, Obama’s disdain for the middle-class should be obvious to all. Obama respects only power.
Thing is, Rafe is a John Galt Republican — he probably WANTS Social Security and Medicare cuts.
When Obama and the scumbags in the DNC rigged the ’08 primaries what did you think they were going to do, support Democratic principles? He showed his hand then but the Obamabots were too drunk on the kool-aid to care. The way the voters in Florida and Michigan were treated in ’08 told me all I needed to know about Obama and his worshippers.
Obama, Plouffe & Axelrod are rewriting the book on how to lose an election.
Suggested title: Even $1 Billion Can’t Cure Stupid
My advice to “down-ticket” Democratic Party candidates is to run as hard and as fast as you can away from the President. Don’t be the baby that’s thrown-out with the Presidential bathwater.
The Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s health-care overhaul passed by Congress last year, was designed to make it easier for Americans in situations like Verone’s to get health insurance BTW check “Penny Health” for more information
Those aren’t balloons, they are actually condoms supplied to promote safe sex. OMG, King Chaos has caught ED from paling around with the repubs.
“He that lives upon hope will die fasting.” Benjamin Franklin
Obama is Geryon in Dante’s 8th ring of Hell, Malebolg. Geryon represents fraud, with his face appearing to be that of an honest man…..
The fraudulent—those guilty of deliberate, knowing evil—are located in a circle named Malebolg
That’s the plan. So Obama’s plan is basically the same as the GOP plan – throw grandma and grandpa under the bus.
Well, if Obama does do these onerous things to these programs, maybe the Dem Leadersheep will wake up and primary his lameduck ass already. If not, and he does these things, the party is toast.
Uh, if Obama succeeds in mauling SocSec/Medicare/Medicaid, he will have succeeded in doing what Republicans since the 1930′s, while really working at it, couldn’t “achieve.”
He will also have so weakened the Democratic Party that it will be impotent to repair the damage he has done.
We must begin working NOW, NOW, NOW for a new party which represents the needs and principles of the non-Uberwealthy 95% of Americans. I just don’t know HOW, HOW, HOW to do it!
Obama wrote in his Dreams of My Father, Page 39, about the ills brought about by liberal legislative programs and ideas and the appropriateness of St. Ronnie’s views (it’s part of why he sees Reagan as appealing to voters and to himself):
Folks, I’m a Democrat. I’m with you in spirit, I really am! However, if you actually look at the numbers and the demographic spike heading our way as the Boomers retire, they just don’t add up. You have to look at this as how to split up the limited production from our workers 15 years from now amongst all the mouths to feed. It’s not going to be easy!
We’re used to having 4, 8 or 20 workers for each retiree. Unfortunately, in the coming years it is going to be down around two, before all this is over. That’s like adding an extra family member to support to every household in America. As resources are diverted to feed the elderly, they will have to come from elsewhere. There is only one place for that to come from. The Boomer demographic bubble is going to have a deep impact on the youngest among us, as resources to support them are withdrawn to support the pensioners. The youth may find they can’t afford college when the time comes. Many more young bellies might know hunger.
We can’t tax our way out of the problem. That raises the supply of money to pay for pensioners, but doesn’t increase the amount of productivity vs. mouths to feed. It is the productivity that we need to improve. You can’t eat money. All that will happen if we try to tax our way out of the problem is that the cost of living will go up to compensate. Why?
We have a fiat currency. The value of money will go up or down according to the relative supply of money vs. the amount of stuff to buy with the money. If you add more money to the pile, but don’t increase the productivity, then you just end up paying more for the same amount of product. The only thing taxation can accomplish is to redistribute wealth — something we need to do, but it isn’t going to solve *this* problem.
Simply put, demographics is pushing us towards a shortage of labor and a consequent shortage of resources. The way we get out of this bind is to *consume less*. Anything we can do to help our elderly live frugally will mean less harm to the young. I cynically opine they will not do so on their own.
What will happen, because there is no other choice, is that the real value of social security payments will fall about 30% relative to today. That should be enough to bring the program back into pay go — where tax receipts from payroll taxes match payments to pensioners. Likewise, the medical system will go on a diet and have to become more efficient. Some care rationing will no doubt take place. Someone is making fat profits in that industry. Once they uncovered, their margins will be sacked.
And yes, the problem will spark generational and class warfare.
You may hate Obama for selling out on this stuff, but he has to do it. He is in many ways, just the messenger.