The biggest problem with the White House’s definitional strategy on the American Jobs Act was that Democrats didn’t really give it the full-throated support it needed to draw that contrast. By the end of last week, the White House was circling the wagons on that, and Democratic leaders stepped out to say that the jobs plan would have the support of the caucus. But those initial grumblings really hurt the unified message.
Are we on the way toward the same problem with the deficit reduction plan delivered today, similarly designed to draw contrast between taxes on millionaires or cuts to vital programs? So far, this looks a bit better.
Nancy Pelosi’s statement was pretty strong in support, which you would expect. “By calling for reforms that will ensure that all Americans contribute their fair share, and by strengthening Medicare, the President is ensuring that we aren’t balancing our budget on the backs of the middle class and seniors,” she said.
Progressive Caucus co-chairs Raul Grijalva and Keith Ellison managed to stay roughly in support as well, while also keeping their eyes on the important details of the needs for Medicare and Medicaid.
As co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, we congratulate President Obama on many of his proposals to cut our deficits and balance our national budget. The president’s determination to reduce the large national debt that he inherited after years of costly wars, unchecked defense spending, corporate welfare and giveaways to the wealthy few is admirable. We stand with the President in his efforts to end these costly wars and tax breaks while protecting working and middle class Americans. We will continue to stand with the President against failed Republican tax and domestic policies, which have led to nearly one in five Americans living in poverty while the rich get richer.
While we support cutting waste, fraud and abuse, we reject any proposal that cuts benefits in Medicare or Medicaid. We reject false Republican assertions that the solution to our deficit is deep cuts to programs that millions of Americans rely on, and we would hope President Obama would as well. We have fought tirelessly to stop Republican efforts to sell off and privatize our nation’s retirement security. Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid represent a serious threat to our society and are highly unpopular with the American people. Every dime taken away from beneficiaries in these programs is a dime the recipients don’t have to spend in our economy.
If we let wealthy Americans and corporations pay taxes at the rate they used to and focus our attentions to put Americans back to work, we will solve our deficit crisis. Now is not the time to cut Medicare and Medicaid.
The statement from Daniel Mintz of MoveOn revealed the major stakes here.
“Our nation now has a clear choice between the two parties: On one side, you have the President asking millionaires to pay their fair share so we can create jobs. On the other side, you have Tea Party-led Republicans in Congress seeking to end Medicare as we know it so they can protect outrageous tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. In short, the president wants to tax billionaires to create jobs. The Republicans want to end Medicare to protect billionaires.”
This misses some nuance, but since there’s no nuance on the other side – they’ve taken any revenue increases off the table – I find this to be an accurate description of the choice. The economy is sick right now and needs as much short-term aid as possible. And the tax system is imbalanced against the poor and in service to the rich, which exacerbates income inequality which inevitably accompanies recessions and financial crises.
One side of the debate has come around — at a late hour but has come around — to a policy of delivering short-term aid while reducing that tax unfairness. The other side has a polar opposite view. And as much as this is a practical issue of what the economy needs, it’s also a values issue about where politicians stand. The view of standing with the middle class over the powerful happens to be very popular.
According to a CNN/ORC International Poll conducted last month, 63 percent of the public said they were OK with any deficit reduction bill passed by Congress that included increased taxes on higher-income Americans and businesses, with 36 percent opposed to the idea. The national survey also indicated a wide partisan divide, with eight in ten Democrats supporting an increase in taxes and six in ten Republicans opposed. Sixty-two percent of independent voters supported boosting taxes on higher-income Americans and businesses, with 37 percent opposed.
The CNN/ORC poll was conducted in early August, right after the congressional agreement to create a bipartisan “super committee” to lower the nation’s massive budget deficit. While the survey is six weeks old, there have been few intervening events since then to dramatically alter opinions on the issue.
In a conference call with reporters today, Chuck Schumer not only praised the concept of the Buffett rule, the sort of “millionaire’s minimum tax” to replace the AMT, he signaled a willingness to put it into legislation and force Republicans to vote against it. That’s not necessarily a policy initiative but a simple theme that will be recounted over and over again until next November.




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Still same play, Act II.
He should have watched how Minnesota governor Mark Dayton — who unlike Obama didn’t come into office with solid Democratic majorities in both of his Houses — dealt with his budget situation.
1) Instead of pre-compromising from the start, he staked out a position as far to the the ideological left as is allowed by the corporate media and billionaire campaign contributors in this day and age, and made them move towards it.
2) He forced the state Republicans to show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they don’t give a rat’s ass about any of the issues they campaigned on — not fixing the deficit, not ending abortion, not banning stem cells, not even beating up gays and lesbians — and are willing to toss them all over the side just to make sure rich people don’t pay any more out in taxes.
what guarantee is there that this isn’t more phony campaign rhetoric from mr. hope and change–NOT?
Too little, too late.
Obama and the Dems made sure wealthy folks like themselves
got to keep the Bush tax cuts and more.
Now, they’re going all populist? Bah, humbug.
I don’t believe a word of it. Election season in the air.
All bullshit.
When the rubber meets the road, Obama and the Dems will
take care of their corporate masters first and foremost.
This is yet another con job from a panic stricken party.
Anyone who buys this crap again is a sap.
Thirty years of sending our jobs overseas with more trade deals on the horizon but they deeply care about working people. They can still say it with a straght face, too. Discusting liars. Especially the most dangerous fraud ever, Obama. He hates everyone worth less than a million bucks.
Meanwhile, OMB Director Jack Lew can’t answer two basic questions about the millionaire tax: How exactly will the tax create jobs, and how will it reduce the deficit?
The Achilles Heel in preznit’s strategy is this:
“At a Late Hour.” Preznit could have done this the month he came into office; he could have done this years ago, certainly before December 2010, when he gave away the store on raising tax rates on the ultra-rich. Warren Buffet didn’t just start talking last week about the tax rates his employees pay, he brought it up in an NBC News teevee interview nearly four years ago, uploaded to YouTube in October 2007. PCCC, FDL, CAP, MoveOn and the rest of us didn’t start demanding more revenues from the billionaires just this year, we have been demanding that for three years, at least.
Even the Murdoch-owned Times of London headlined an article “Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary” in June 2007, more than four years ago.
So, we’re not really listening to preznit any more. He had his chance and fucked it up.
It’s customary here to include a link to a fact or factoid on which a comment is based.
I think none of it is going anywhere at this late date.
It seems like a bid to gin up a populist Tea Party of the left. So, well enough in theory, but that might have worked earlier, when both houses were in Dem control, and one of the members woke up with a revelation of how to geld the Senate’s filibuster. That was brilliant, if a dangerous precedent, and time was still to be squandered.
I think what’s done them in has been too much obsession with ACA. It became a distraction, and a single trick pony ran the show. Multitasking was neglected, and finally some bad elections caught up.
I’ve never thought the left was adept in managing their universe of priorities. What’s lacking are the conscientious devil’s advocates who are allowed to wave the bullshit flag from time to time.
Pardon the OT, but:
Breaking news on NY Times website: Georgia Board of Parole denies clemency to Troy Davis. This is bad shit.
Until proven otherwise by actions, I’m going with it’s all phony. I could be convinced that Obama is actually Doing Something only after the Something is done.
Boxturtle (And I’ve seen the Completed Something with my own eyes)
Sure it sounds great, but Obama has sounded great before. Given his track record, probably just the sizzle before the fizzle.
It’s delightful to see the 180 degree abandonment of Keynesianism in favor of tax increases and spending cuts by the left blogosphere!
Raising taxes is anti-Keynesian, but good for the economy.
Funny how that works…
You’ve never read Keynes, have you?
First of all genius, it isn’t in a jobs bill. That was last week($450,000,000 worth of tax cuts and infrastructure projects). Secondly, taxes reduce the deficit by generating “revenue.” You see, a deficit is the difference between revenue and expenditures. When you increase revenue, you decrease the deficit. Its Accounting 101. I know the repuglicans are the party of stupid, but are you really all that bad at math?
Rafe, you need to go hug OBAMA, he saved people like you.
Obama gives people like Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Rafe, Rick Perry, etc. a platform to mis-educate from.
Walter Cronkite a real news person, would have called Bush, Clinton, Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Rafe, Sarah Palin, OBAMA MORONS!!! that should never be given the time of day to be taken seriously when it comes to USA political matters.
The USA elites have taken advantage of below average USA citizens for years, now we have Presidents trying to show USA citizens how DUMB they are? WOW? Rick Perry thinks it is cool to tell the World he is an idiot, and the GOP morons laugh along.
Rick Perry and Rafe are dis-respecting all the brave soldiers who have died for the USA!!! If you were a soldier RAFE would you die for a man like Rick Perry, who loves being DUMB?
Rafe says
“Meanwhile, OMB Director Jack Lew can’t answer two basic questions about the millionaire tax: How exactly will the tax create jobs, and how will it reduce the deficit?”
Rafe how many jobs did BUSH Jr create?
Rafe who created the current deficit?
Rafe does the USA really have a deficit? the FED gave USA banks 16 trillion dollars! I repeat Obama gives you life Rafe
Links below
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Audit: Fed gave $16 trillion in emergency loans | The Raw Story
The U.S. Federal Reserve gave out $16.1 trillion in emergency loans … Lynch at $1.9 trillion and Bank of America at $1.3 trillion. … by the President of the United States …
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/21/audit-fed-gave-16-trillion-in-emergency-loansAudit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret …
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Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs. To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States … give …
http://www.unelected.org/audit-of-the-federal-reserve-reveals-16-trillion-in-secret-bailoutsFed Audited: $16 Trillion Loaned to Banks |
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USA Patriot News
Several other top banks in the United States, including Bank … The GAO report says the Federal Reserve issued $16 trillion worth of … to GAO saying that the Fed will “give …
news.americanbuilt.us/2011/07/fed-audited-16-trillion-loaned-to-banks
Rafe? your lack knowledge hurts the USA
Hey White House:
Welcome to the party. Only (around) 970 days late, but who’s counting?
Now, let’s see how the whole thing rings out when (as they say) the rubber meets the road.
Thanks for the disheartening news. Just more confirmation that it is almost impossible to get prosecutorial authorities to admit that they were wrong and rushed to judgment.
Um…let me think about this for a minute.
When you put money back into the piggy bank, it helps fill up the hole that was left there when the money was taken out (in the form of the completely idiotic “Bush tax cuts”).
Glad I could help.
As most here have responded, obumble had the opportunity to do all of these things when he had a congress that had the numbers to do good things for the country. he now has no real leverage and no real hope of getting anything passed that the repugs won’t OK. The dims are just along for the ride; as long as they feel that they will be reelected, they don’t care who is in charge. Most of them are just as much bought by the big corpses as the repugs are. Just as with the ‘progressives’ in congress, when the vote is not needed or can’t make a difference, it’s OK to “vote your conscience.” Nothing more than an attempt to rally the base who are starved for this kind of speech.
you’re right. i hate quoting the Bible, but, “By his actions ye shall know him” is pretty damn accurate for Big Zero. This is simply a pivot to campaign mode Obama, the progressive candidate who says everything us left of center types love to hear. If he follows up the dead on arrival proposals for his Jobs Act with firing Timmeh(!) Geithner, Bill Daley, half his cabinet and his entire economics team of advisers AND puts pressure on Harry Reid to kick Joe Lieberman out of the Dem caucus, PLUS gets his POS Dept of Justice to investigate, indict, and arrest most of the upper management of Wall Street, then I’ll actually believe him this time. And shuttering Gitmo wouldn’t hurt either.
But since the odds of any of the above actions happening are slightly less than me pulling a winning lottery ticket out my rear, I’m not going to lose any sleep over Obama’s big move leftward.
It so sicken to see the people at move on and all the so called progressive on TV fawning over this proposal. Any body with half a brain knows this is nothing but campaign rectric .
Very depressing.
Obviously Obama felt he could govern as a centralist Republican, as long as he made a couple of liberal speeches before the election, the left would fall in line. Looks like it is working just as he felt it would. How anyone can believe a work hi says is beyond me, and they even acknowledge it is just election rhetoric… very depressing.
Cue the Kabuki Show for more pandering & meaningless palavar.
Ain’t gonna happen, folks. The end.
Don’t sweat it, Rafe. Even though what you say is really ridiculous, your fondest dreams of pandering to the mega-wealthy will come true. Don’t fret: your wealthy Overlords won’t have to pay penny more in taxes; the middle class will continue carrying the load. You can go to sleep tonight knowing that the mega-wealthy are still screwing YOU as badly as they’re screwing ME. But since that makes you so happy: enjoy your fantastic dreams, baby. They’re coming true.
You should know by now that when Obama makes passing statements that sound *vaguely* liberal, nothing of the sort will ever happen. Why get your panties in a bunch??? Have a nice day.
Sorry, it’s all going according to script, fade to faked panic stricken mode.
Ain’t that Murder america, INC.
Lord bless him in his hour of need and curse the clemency (def. Leniency, mildness,gentleness, MERCY yea that sounds like an apt description of this low IQ board and this countries obsession and feality to the death culture.
Yeah, shutting Gitmo, remember that?
Not gonna happen.
In fact, Obama’s DOD is taking bids for a spanking new prison in Bagram.
Glenzilla has all the dirty details.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/19/bagram/index.html
The estimated cost is a laugh. Contracts with the Pentagon can be counted on for massive cost overuns and scams that military contractors enjoy with impunity.
Way to go, Obama. Keep talking about shared sacrifice while spending hundreds of billions for 2000 additional torture chambers.
Winning hearts and minds over here and over there.
Most deinitely.
He’s right on schedule.
Let’s assume that every cynical instinct we all have is well-founded: I still support what Obama is doing right here, right now. I thought Kos today had it right.
I think Obama has some very good IDEAS, some very good PROGRAMS, and some excellent PLANS to kick-start the economy.
None of these will likely get out of committee. And if they do, the dastardly, despicable, heartless bastards that are today’s republican party will kill them or gut them. I know that, you know that, my cat knows that.
She’s very atuned to things.
Good Kos article. I’m pleased he’s trying. But I think he’s kinda like me when I was 9 yrs old trying to get a cookie out of my mom 30 minutes BEFORE dinner. Valiant effort, but for naught.
Theater.
Yeah! we have never seen this before…Democrats say a lot of things.
There is big f**king difference between saying & doing.
And the Democrats are just sayers not doers.
So lets get this straight ,A Corporate funded Party is going to do things for ordinary Americans….yeah that will be the day.
It’s funny how 2 yrs ago with large majorities in both houses & the Presidency they couldn’t do anything but NOW they are going to fight for ordinary peoples after putting Social Security & Medicare on the chopping block.
I think what Kos is doing is positioning himself and his website to do two things: 1) maintain or improve whatever access to the beltway crowd that it (and Netroots Nation) has; 2) provide cover for the “fairweather critics” on the site, who desperately look for any reason to return to giving ‘full-throated’ support to anybody with a ‘D’ after his name, to have a credible return to the fold.
Obama’s rhetoric is definitely nice. It’s certainly past due. But Kos said “it’s never too late” and that remains to be seen. It’s easy to issue such fiery rhetoric when there is little or no chance that the substance the rhetoric is supposedly advocating for will ever see the light of day.
Exactly. Let’s see how many suckers line up for the bullshit! BO knows there are plenty of progressive idiots out there especially in the media!
Obama’s plan can be best described as “The Road to Nowhere”
He knows it will never get passed. When it doesn’t go anywhere after he has threatened, yelled and so on, he will only look weak. Not like the righteous angel he thinks.
I can’t recall a time when a President essentially gave up on getting anything done midway in his term.
The NY 9 result tells the GOP they can safely ignore the bombast. Doesn’t matter the spin, that is the facts. So, they aren’t going to pay attention to it.
“I’m taking my ball and going home.”
If Obama really wanted to get some support, he would propose LOWERING the secretary’s rate to match Buffett’s.
““Our nation now has a clear choice between the two parties . . .”"
Bullshit. In what imagined reality does a clear choice exist predicated on two parties that have fundamental differences on how best to proceed for the collective good? Part of the proof is in Pelosi’s phrase, “strengthening Medicare.” This phrase, or some version of it, is used by both Reps and Dems to describe their planned destruction of it at the behest of their corporate financiers. Because of the unpopularity among most of the citiznery of robbing Medicare, both Reps and Dems just call it the opposite of what they plan to do. “We must destroy the village to save it. And we’ll call it ‘enhancing infrastructure.’”
However, pushing this tax-the-rich theme will likely result in the semblance of popular choice needed for a second term for Obama as the TV plants the correct opinions: “This time he means it!”; “He’s seen the light!”; “He’s finally woken up!” And that is its only purpose. And the proof that higher taxes for millionaires is as phony as the distinction between Reps and Dems will be when Obama assures us that he will get it done as soon as he is reelected.
Another thrilling round of “What’s that on Your Shirt?”
Perhaps this is because, like their politicians who prostrate themselves before corporate bribes, they are not interested in what might be good for the greatest number of citizens but are only interested in winning?
No matter what they say in public, behind the scenes the MOTU want Obama to win a second term. All the chatter about their uncertainty and too many regulations is all bullshit. It gives Obama the cover to do what he really wants to do.
Frankly, they’ve never had it so good. The guy is a veritable cash cow for them. Best of all, he’s on the verge of taking down and handing over our social safety net, a feat that no Republican could ever come close to.
So of course the corporate media is gushing.
They gotta rally his base of fools to vote for Judas one more time.
Who didn’t see this coming, and right on time.
Tell me about it. I have lost so much respect for the progressive media in this country. They are so eager to swallow this bullshit. Obama is trying to save his ass and the only people that can help him happen to be the ones that he spent 3 years pissing on. And yet we are eager to swallow it. Amazing.
Most recent poll I could find, the Minnesota Post 6/2/11, had Dayton’s approval at 51%, despite vigorous attacks from the right. Compare to Obama’s 39%. Driving the hard bargain works, no doubt about it-if that’s what one really wants to do.
Like Georgia, like Texas: “Even if we just think you did, Boy, y’all gonna die.”
We just need to say that all the way till November 2012. :)
Seems he was like this before the 2010 mid terms and wanted to end the Obama tax cuts.
Me too. I think its hilarious watching people tie themselves in knots trying to come up with some moral justification for supporting pure Evil. I mean, at least you could feel sorry for Pavlov’s dog. I have a hard time feeling sorry for Democrats. You don’t expect Republicans to think.. really about much of anything but maybe what was on Nascar last week. Or what Britney Spears is doing.
Dems trade blood for convenience every day of the week. They have fallen for the propaganda they claim to hate. They commit the atrocities they say they won’t stand for. You couldn’t have a better example of cognitive dissonance than Kos. Everyone of them knows Obama is lying. There’s no rational reason to believe otherwise. They really just don’t care. Maybe its convenience, I don’t know. They won’t cheer for poor people dieing from lack of medical care. They’ll just stay silent. Step over the body and go on with your life. I’m not sure whats worse.
That screen name is an oxymoron. It should be “afternothought”.
Every speech and policy proposal that Obama has made or will make from last August until the election should have an asterisk next to it, signifying “Campaign Mode”. Just wait until he approves the XL Pipeline of Death.
There is something very strange about Ron Suskind book. The first question I have is why now. And the only reason I see for this timing is to build up Obama image. The narrative is that Summers, Geithner and Rubin undercut Obama, that all he wanted was to do good, but these evil characters who he surrounded himself with were sinking his presidency. And then his latest populist act. I, personally, don’t believe Obama for a second. And whatever his people did, they did not act in a vacuum. It was Obama’s lead they were following. Obama needs a change of image until the next election is over, and then he can go back to being himself. He had opportunities to do good, but he did not. For example, health care reform, bank bailouts, Bush’s tax cuts, etc., an endless list. How can anyone believe that he all of a sudden found his backbone? It is make believe and everyone knows this will not pass, but it makes Barry look good.
To put it succinctly: “Polishing the Turd”.
Yeah, why now, why not right in the beginning when it would have fulfilled his campaign rhetoric? Seems he’s doing just what he did in 2008, talk about lots of nice things he had no intention of doing.
If all Dems would get tough on Repugs like that they would all be unelectable.
That’s about my bet. Obama will get a second term. And if we follow the second rule of public political speech (whatever they say, the opposite is true), then when Obama mentioned that he had no problem being a one-term President the translation is that the second term is the real goal–most likely, as you say, for the theft of SS.
You also don’t know the left blogosphere. In favor of spending cuts? No. And Keynesianism is primarily about gov’t stimulus. Raising taxes on the wealthy in this instance is for the purpose of being able to pump money into the economy without adding to the deficit. (Although it actually is not necessary to raise taxes for gov’t to spend what it needs.)
Why now? Probably just capitalizing on the climate to sell books. The narrative you have summarized is Suskind’s bread and butter. His plot remains the same while he changes the name of the protagonist. And it’s a simple, appealing storyline that pays off. After 8 years of W. followed by over two years of more of the same, what Obama supporter wouldn’t want to read a hopeful story of the Hero’s progress, plagued at the outset by conniving courtiers, but now emerging steeled and enlightened to finally slay the dragon? Time for another election. Time for another bedtime story.
I meant the Republicans would be unelectable if Dems would expose their true colors.
Well, Rafe was saying the OMB director couldn’t answer that, not that he himself couldn’t. But maybe you’re right Rafe needs help, too.
BTW, the piggy bank analogy is not actually correct, because raising and lowering the deficit is not a matter of getting more dollars to put in the bank.
What has unaccountably escaped the awareness of most economists, apparently even Paul Krugman, is that when the US went off the gold standard in 1971, the rules of the game of monetary policy were profoundly altered. No longer tied to a tangible hoard of gold bars in Fort Knox and elsewhere, dollars lost any material existence and became nothing more than numbers on a spreadsheet controlled by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury. (These new understandings and more have been developed by Modern Monetary Theory [MMT]. A solid grounding in MMT may be gained by going to http://moslereconomics.com/)
James Galbraith (son of John Kenneth Galbraith and a distinguished economist in his own right) explains it like this: “When government spends or lends, it does so by adding numbers to private bank accounts. When it taxes, it marks those same accounts down. When it borrows, it shifts funds from a demand deposit (called a reserve account [in effect a checking account]) to savings (called a securities account). And that for practical purposes is all there is. The money government spends doesn’t come from anywhere and it doesn’t cost anything to produce. The government therefore cannot run out.
“Money is created by government spending [which transfers funds to private checking accounts, say to the account of a highway contractor working for the government on a federal road project] (or by bank loans, which create deposits [in the accounts of the banks receiving the loans]). . . .
“A government borrowing in its own currency need never default on its debts; paying them is simply a matter of adding the interest [on the loans] to the bank accounts of the [Treasury] bond holders [plus the value of the government bonds, such as ten-year Treasury bonds, the holders had originally paid when buying them].”
The bottom line is that this whole debt ceiling debacle was a giant con job, a shell game whereby the public has been tricked into focusing on the shell that is NOT covering the pea. Using this shell game, congress and Obama have tried to make the public think they are being forced into cutting SS, and other social programs because of the big bad deficit. The deficit is a non-issue. The federal gov’t cannot default. It cannot go bankrupt. The full faith and credit of the US is not at stake here. What is at stake is democracy in the US.
But he’s not doing anything right now. Just talking. And we’ve seen where his talk leads to. The big Nada.
Your cat for preznit!
But he just said he would not cut SS!! /s