US officials are scrambling to broker a deal that avoids a Palestinian statehood bid at the United Nations.
On Friday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced that he would go ahead with a bid for statehood at the UN Security Council, despite the threat of a US veto. Abbas used the President’s words from the last UN General Assembly meeting against him, saying that “Obama himself said he wanted to see a Palestinian state by September.”
Now, the US has brokered a meeting between Israelis and Palestinians on the sidelines of this year’s General Assembly meeting, aimed at hopefully avoiding the clash at the UN.
Palestinian prime minister Salam Fayyad and Israel’s Defense Minister Ehud Barak held an unannounced meeting a day ahead of the UN General Assembly, which is being dominated by a Palestinian bid for UN recognition that the United States has threatened to veto.
Fayyad told reporters that the two had discussed “security issues” and the Palestinian Authority’s “readiness to govern.” Israeli officials did not comment on the meeting [...]
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks with EU foreign affairs representative Catherine Ashton. With the United States determined to stop full state recognition, Clinton said the two were discussing “the way forward.”
Quartet envoy Tony Blair held separate talks with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas will hold his first meeting of the week with Ban on Monday.
Blair expressed hope that a deal could be reached. “I think there is a way of avoiding a confrontation,” the former British prime minister said.
To some extent, Abbas has already succeeded. The bid for statehood was an attempt to use the only leverage the Palestinians have in the stalled Middle East peace process. They have the votes at the UN to achieve at least some status as a state, which forces negotiations on a level playing field. So the negotiations have come as a percursor to the vote on statehood. Which is the whole point, to kickstart a dead peace process.
In addition, the bold move by Abbas has set the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a new context. Now you have even the likes of Tom Friedman rallying to the Palestinian cause:
O.K., Mr. Netanyahu has a strategy: Do nothing vis-à-vis the Palestinians or Turkey that will require him to go against his base, compromise his ideology or antagonize his key coalition partner, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, an extreme right-winger. Then, call on the U.S. to stop Iran’s nuclear program and help Israel out of every pickle, but make sure that President Obama can’t ask for anything in return — like halting Israeli settlements — by mobilizing Republicans in Congress to box in Obama and by encouraging Jewish leaders to suggest that Obama is hostile to Israel and is losing the Jewish vote. And meanwhile, get the Israel lobby to hammer anyone in the administration or Congress who says aloud that maybe Bibi has made some mistakes, not just Barack. There, who says Mr. Netanyahu doesn’t have a strategy? [...]
I have great sympathy for Israel’s strategic dilemma and no illusions about its enemies. But Israel today is giving its friends — and President Obama’s one of them — nothing to defend it with. Israel can fight with everyone or it can choose not to surrender but to blunt these trends with a peace overture that fair-minded people would recognize as serious, and thereby reduce its isolation.
Unfortunately, Israel today does not have a leader or a cabinet for such subtle diplomacy. One can only hope that the Israeli people will recognize this before this government plunges Israel into deeper global isolation and drags America along with it.
The Palestinians simply wanted a way to end the power imbalance, where they are stateless and less able to protest indignities like expanded settlements on their territory. They are putting Israel – and the US – in an uncomfortable position. And that’s usually the only way to get something big done.





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While it’s practically a “bid for statehood” actually it’s a bid for UN membership. The argument can be made that Palestine is a state simply lacking UN (i.e. western) recognition.
Blair should be arrested and I hope the Palestinians tell him to F off.
Tony Blair used visits to Libya after he left office to lobby for business for the American investment bank JP Morgan, The Daily Telegraph has been told.
excellent point
I am so sick and disgusted by the whole affair. We talk shit out of both sides of our mouths. I understand why the religionists want to protect Israel. They believe that the second coming can’t happen unless the temple is rebuilt in Jeruselum. That, of course, can’t happen unless Israel dominates the region enough to tear down the “Dome” mosque to make way for the “Temple”. No Temple, no second comming. A Palestinian State would make that impossible.
Now, Obama may be a lot of things but I don’t believe he’s a Dominionist. While it’s true that Israel has a great deal of influence over U.S. policy, I don’t buy into the Tin-Foil Hat conspiracy theory about Israel. That being said, what is clear is that there is no clear policy with regards to Middle-East peace.
Except chaos.
Hell, the Palestinians need to tell the U.S. and Israel to fuck off too. Why Abbas is even bothering to have meetings with either over the statehood issue, is beyond me.
We need to tell them to all F off
“Now, the US has brokered a meeting between Israelis and Palestinians on the sidelines of this year’s General Assembly meeting, aimed at hopefully avoiding the clash at the UN.”
Translation: what the US really wants to avoid is a Hobson’s choice between vetoing the Palestinian bid, which will piss away whatever arab good will was won by helping Lybian rebels, or supporting the bid which will (horror of horrors!) piss off the Israeli lobby billionaires who finance the careers of a lot of our DC whores.
David, can you elaborate on why and how “achieving some status as a state” would “force negotiations on a level playing field”? As far as I can tell, getting GA “recognition” wouldn’t change the de facto playing field one whit.
Right now the Palestinians need a recognized entity to bring claims for it to the international agencies, like the Hague. As a recognized entity, the PA could ask for investigations into land confiscation, war crimes such as use of White Phosphorous in civilian area, laying siege to an entire region like the blockade of Gaza. Does this mean that thinks will be rosie and wonderful once they receive this? No, I think they know that this is about to bring down a world of hurt. Will it be worth it, perhaps. This is the exact same route that Israel took to become a State. Right now they depend upon the Quartet and the US to look out for their interest. That has been pretty much worthless.
I would like, in defense of Israel, that there is a formal declaration that the Palestinians accept the State of Israel!
This is not just the Palestinian of the west bank, but also includes Humas from Gaza. Humas must stop the lobbing of rockets into Israel and getting weapons from Iran (which supports the annihilation of Israel and it’s people).
This is the key to some of the sticking points! But, I will confess that continued building of settlement is also a major problem. This was a major problem (especially from GWB). George talk of peace ideas, then behind the Palestinian’s back he said to the Israelis continue as you want. This continued the frustrations of the Palestinians for another 10 years.
With Bebe at the PM level it just seems to be going nowhere and the GOP will continue to use it as a wedge, even with their poor record. Only Carter, Begin and the heroic Sedat were trying.
Power imbalance? The party with all the power is now and has always been the Palestinians. Why? Because no one has ever asked that they give up anything. there has never been any pressure on the Palestinians to renounce their claims on all of Israel and the disputed territories (from the Jordan to the sea), no pressure on the Palestinians to end the “refugee” problem and accept the “refugees” into a new Palestinian State (they recently have announced that they will not do so), no pressure on the Palestinians to demilitarize, no pressure on the Palestinians to end incitement to violence. There is not even an insistence by anyone that the Palestinians recognize the legitimate right of Israel to exist as the Jewish State, or even that the Palestinians show up at the negotiating table. Power? It is the Israelis who lack the power to effect change because no one asks anything of the Palestinians. Only Israel is asked to give up land, give up security, and place its people and its existence in jeopardy.
“Bibi (Netanyahu) himself didn’t do enough to show he is serious about peace,” for the reason that the Israeli Prime Minister is not serious about peace.
He is the leader of the Likud Party whose official charter states unequivocally that there will be no Palestinian state west of the Jordan river.
Netanyahu knows full well that his so-called negotiations for peace are a sham. This Israeli government will NEVER cease to obstruct the establishment of an independent Palestinian state. Therefore, the only answer for peace in the Middle East – and world peace – is for regime change. The sooner the better for the security of the world, bearing in mind that Israel is a secret nuclear power with a massive nuclear weapons arsenal that is outside the inspection of the IAEA.
That’s some interesting thinking.
Also known as living in an alternate universe.
Also known as being realistic. Please tell me when and by whom the Palestinians have been pressured to give up anything and please tell me what, if anything, they have ever given up?
When answering remember that the only party to reject Palestinian statehood has been the Palestinians, in 1947 and ever since. they have done so because saying yes would mean agreeing to the existence of Israel.
Yep, my thought also;)
I read a comment at Glenn Greenwald’s that Christians have introduced the rapture revival project.
Every Christian needs to bring a jew to Jerusalem. So sick.
Deluded comment of the day award?
Now a coalition of Senators are petitioning Obama to dress down Erdogan for not being nice enough to Tel Aviv:
Why should UN membership require the recognition of a state by the state seeking membership? Has that ever been a requirement for other states admitted as UN members, or is Palestine special? (The answer is obvious.)
I’m glad you mentioned Rapture because the Rapture Index is now at 183, just one point shy of its record high. Are you Rapture Ready?
It is truly sick. Christians support Israel to bring about armageddon and Israel accepts that support because it brings in a lot of money. Is there any religion that is not absolutely illegitimate?
Answer: NO
I’m at about minus 183
Sounds like you’ve got a Mogan David imbalance. Elderberry or concord?
In case you haven’t noticed this is not the zionist blog.
Nice megaphone you’ve got there.
Didn’t 82 or so Congresscritters spend part of the August recess in Israel?
You are fucking cracked.
Only 7 signatures?
Since Lieberman, the Israeli Foreign Minister/Disco Bouncer and Doorman has suggested funding the Kurdish PKK who are involved in attacks in Turkey, there is no way that they can share drone video feeds or satellite information. (not that they won’t get it anyway). This was an offer to help get Americans out of Iraq and maintain some sort of presence there.
These people suffer from some sort of mental problems. Its all I can figure. This might work out best in the long run if these Israeli firsters sabotage everything they can.
I’m glad Elizabeth Warren is running against Scott Brown. Someone must have told him to sign this. I heard he can’t answer any questions on foreign policy unless he finds his handler.
Edward Teller:
THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL IS JERUSALEM. It is not Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv is the commercial center, but not the government center. Only those who deny the existence and legitimacy of Israel refer to Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel. I note that so that everyone knows who you are.
I note that you have not been able to answer my questions. Try again. There is an answer put forth by the Arab apologists, but if I give it to you that would be cheating.
Donbacon
Yes, all members of the UN are expected to recognize other states, in fact the UN Charter contains a provision prohibiting all member states from advocating the destruction of any other state. This is honored in its breech when referring to Israel. The charters of the various Palestinian “representative” bodies all call for the destruction of the State of Israel. This should be grounds enough to prohibit the admission of a new (and 2nd) Palestinian Arab state.
Mikesacola, Holeybuybush, and Presumptuous insect
Like Mr. Teller, you have failed to answer the questions. Try again. There is an answer put forth by Arab apologists, but if I give it to you that would be cheating.
Yep, demodogs and repugs to show their loyalty. Say What. Yep Israel has free health care and yet treats the people of the holocaust like 3rd class citizens. Yep, Amerika taxpayers money at work.
Yea Turkey.
classic talking points of the true believers. Time to go were the life.
jo6pac
Do you have a response to the questions? No? I didn’t think so,
Here is an educational video on the peace process. It is short and maybe you will learn something if you watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuBc_cbXo0&feature=youtu.be
jo6pac
Israeli health care is not free, it is tax supported and everyone Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, gets the same health care. Even Palestinians in Gaza can get it when the Hamas authorities let them out of Gaza.
I am always amazed when supposed liberals support the repressive, non-democratic, Hamas and PA regimes and oppose the democratic, liberal, multi-ethnic, multi- cultural state of Israel.
Peace is possible in the Arab/Israeli conflict. However, for peace to occur and succeed the Arabs will need to actually show up at the negotiating table and give up their goal of destroying the state of Israel (That is why recognition of Israel as the Jewish state is so important. Pres. Obama gets it, why don’t you?)
F*ck me…! How much is AIPAC paying you to spew that hasbara on the Toobz…?
If the US can’t twist enough arms there is this:
UN General Assembly Resolution 377
And for the ridiculous requirement that Palestinians must negotiate with the occupier for freedom in order to have a state, this bit of history is interesting.
Time Magazine: Monday, Dec. 08, 1947
UNITED NATIONS: Just Beginning
There’s not a whole lot of difference. Palestinians were always willing to have a single state, as long as long as immigration was controlled. Zionists removed Palestinians through terrorism with Plan Dalet.
The UN could remove settlers now that have built on stolen property or incorporate settlements into Palestine and make them citizens. The world did no less for the zionists and they didn’t have to negotiate, as it was just shoved down the palestinian arab, christian, and jewish throats.
Could you link us to a map of the Israel you insist the PA honor as an Israel they must accept the existence of? Were I to request you recognize the USA, you would want to know the specific borders – today and next year – I would insist you then honor. Unless you show me a map, your talk about “acceptance” is mostly bullshit.
My country, the USA, does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Do you live in Guatemala, El Salvador or Israel, as they are the only three countries from which that statement would not be in variance with national policy?
I think the US policy towards Israel is crystal clear–unconditional military, economic, and political support.
unconditional military, economic, and political support, right or wrong, smart or stupid, all the way over the edge of the fucking cliff together.
— fixed it for you.
I’ll bet we could get it higher by emailing the admin with some more events!
They need a way to conclude their fevered end of days fantasies without including the rest of us. Everyone else could buy the myth that we’re all the left behinds.