The President’s plan to “go big” on the Super Committee is out, and it’s an opening bid that is far less pre-compromised than we’ve come to expect. Of the more than $3 trillion in deficit solutions (UPDATE: $3.6 trillion per WSJ, but the numbers don’t add up), $2.6 trillion consist of tax increases and savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That differs sharply, not only from the “grand bargain” Obama was said to be negotiating during the debt limit deal, but from his April budget speech, which was tilted more on the side of spending cuts.
That was a $4 trillion deal, and it’s worth adding the $900 billion in spending cuts from the first half of the debt limit deal to this to make it more of an apples to apples comparison. But even so, you would get $1.5 trillion in tax increases, $1.9 $1.5 trillion in spending cuts, and $1.1 trillion in war savings. And this from the New York Times coverage (emphasis mine) is the key point:
Mr. Obama will call for $1.5 trillion in tax increases, primarily on the wealthy, through a combination of closing loopholes and limiting the amount that high earners can deduct. The proposal also includes $580 billion in adjustments to health and entitlement programs, including $248 billion to Medicare and $72 billion to Medicaid. Administration officials said that the Medicare cuts would not come from an increase in the Medicare eligibility age.
Senior administration officials who briefed reporters on some of the details of Mr. Obama’s proposal said that the plan also counts a savings of $1.1 trillion from the ending of the American combat mission in Iraq and the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan.
In laying out his proposal, aides said, Mr. Obama will expressly promise to veto any legislation that seeks to cut the deficit through spending cuts alone and does not include revenue increases in the form of tax increases on the wealthy.
This effectively disbands the Super Committee, as far as I can see. The Republican members are not going to vote for a tax increase. And even if they did on the committee, it wouldn’t get through the House; John Boehner already took tax increases of any kind off the table in his address last week. If the Super Committee fails, we’re going to see the trigger pulled now. But Obama’s proposals draw the distinction very cleverly, because it will be the Republican turn against taxes on the rich that will lead us to that point.
It’s hardly worth going into the details of the Obama deficit deal, since with one word – “veto” – he ensured that no deficit deal will pass. But for what it’s worth:
Under Mr. Obama’s proposal, $800 billion of the $1.5 trillion in tax increases would come from allowing the Bush-era tax cuts to expire. The other $700 billion, aides said, would come from a combination of closing loopholes and limiting deductions among individuals making more than $200,000 a year and families making more than $250,000.
So this is a net tax cut of about $2.5 trillion from current law. Allowing the entire Bush tax cuts to expire would nets you around $4 trillion, but this only expires the tax cuts over $250,000 of income to get $800 billion. So the President is still adhering to the principle of no tax increases for anyone making under $250,000. However, the tax rates on the first $250,000 of income also hit the rich, under our marginal tax rate system. I don’t think Republicans would see this as a tax cut, but that’s actually what it does in practice. As the GOP sees it, it raises taxes on those job creators, the solons of the nation, and that must not happen.
The limit on itemized deductions is also part of the “tax trigger” on the American Jobs Act. The “Buffett rule” of a millionaire’s minimum tax, meant to replace the AMT and therefore not raise revenue, will also be part of the speech, but as a guiding principle.
Most importantly, this deficit plan does not include raising the Medicare eligibility age, a terrible idea that could have been adopted by future Congresses on the grounds that even a Democratic President proposed it. Roger Hickey of the Campaign for America’s Future did a victory lap on that one.
“If the news reports are accurate, President now has a plan he can take to the American people to re-invigorate our country and get America back to work. If the plan is what was described in the Wall Street Journal’s report Sunday evening, it includes raising the tax rates on millionaires and billionaires and it protects vulnerable and sick Americans from draconian cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. This plan will be popular with the voters, although Washington’s corporate lobbyists might not like it.
“For months, organizations representing working people and retirees have been urging the President to listen to the American majority, who want jobs, not cuts to vital programs.
“The President has listened to the people. He is pushing for jobs and growth now – the number one priority of Americans. His deficit reduction plan will spur economic growth because it puts Americans back to work, and it will turn the unemployed into taxpayers.
The President’s speech on his deficit reduction plan is scheduled for 10:30 am ET.
UPDATE: According to Sam Stein, some of the Medicare cuts are beneficiary cuts, but they wouldn’t kick in until 2017. And, they couldn’t be passed by the Super Committee without the tax hikes on the wealthy, or they would draw a veto.



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I think the Super Committee should appoint a Super Duper Committee thereby distancing Congress even further from it’s Constitutional duties. I mean the Super Committee is simply a smaller Congress.
gawd I hope this is right Dday:
Did you mean net tax “hike” from current law?
Thank you for your usual extraordinary level of detail, Dday. One thing still worries me: how do they cut $72 Billion from Medicaid without reducing eligibility or actual medical services?
We should definitely claim victory for stopping preznit from gutting Social Security, shrinking eligibility for Medicare, and promising a veto.
But preznit gave away the store on higher tax rates last December (2010), so there is no way his speech or anything else he does will produce higher tax rates on the wealthy during his first term. He will just spend the next 15 months vetoing everything, if we are extremely lucky, which will only ensure Shrub’s tax cuts are repealed as of 1/1/2013.
But, of course, vetoing everything the GOPers try to do to kill Social Security and Medicare will mean we are in for at least several short-term govt shutdowns. Unless preznit is just bullshitting everyone again, as usual.
How about just ending the insane Bush tax cuts / raising the top rate and leaving SS and Medicare the hell alone you psychotic clowns…..
This isn’t a budget plan it’s a populist reelection plan for Obama, and it was designed specifically not to work as an actual budget fixer. Why produce a plan that will almost guarantee that no GOP’ers will cross over to support it, unless Obama is hoping to energize his base with the populist message and hope it carries through 2012.
Is Obama growing a pair today?
Lots of speeches from O, but no press conferences. Anyone notice he almost never gives one? So much for transparency. Remarkable how he’s suddenly discovered all these presidential powers he didn’t have before! Veto? Gasp! Do I detect just the faintest whiff of desperation in these populist pronouncements?
No.
It appears that is what it is. I think he has given up on getting anything through this congress so he is going to play through the election on the thugs are obstructionist. But can he win with 10% unemployment? May not matter since they were not going to give anything.
No, definitely not.
The Democrats do that all the time. Voters should be asking themselves why all of this wasn’t done or suggested when the Democrats controlled congress. Let’s not be fooled again. They all need to go!
Considering the Senate Democrats will never bring any of this up for debate, let alone a vote… why is he bothering at this point?
My guess— massive cave come Thanksgiving…
Just like his massive push for the public option.
Just like his massive push to end the Bush tax cuts.
The story that a 4 star general claims he was politically forced to change his planned testimony to protect a gov’t defense contractor by the administration will be nothing if it appears that the auto-defense sequestrations are about to happen.
one final bad analogy- Obama as wounded bull in bullfight — he is wounded and is responding by getting enraged… a plan that generally does not bode well for the bull, historically speaking…
all postponed till after reselection.
It’s bull alright! By the way, there was no “massive push” for the Public Option or to end the Bush tax cuts by Oboover. He never intended to do get the PO or stop the tax cuts. He’s a classic bait and switch politico.
What it does is puts the “neutron bomb” and its military cuts in play. Takes it out of the “unthinkable, Democrats will capitulate before they let that happen” territory. The only way that the joint committee can disband is through legislation. But it can go through the motions of deliberation. It can even slow-walk its failure until the last minute. And then it is back in the laps of the full Congress.
It is still too early to make electoral predictions. There is still too much in play. The European economy being a critical piece.
I have to agree with you there. Why subvert the constitution and congress with a 12 member super committee when you can do it just as effectively, perhaps more so, with just 6. “Super duper committee”…I like it.
Is “super duper” a hyphenated word????
Shit….do I cancel the order for the team softball uniforms??????
When even the democrat senate won’t take up his budget bill you know the bloom is off the Obama rose. I’m not sure what he hoped to accomplish with his plan because the net effect is to scare away private business from getting off the sidelines and taking risks, and that’s about the only thing left which could salvage the economy.
Are you volunteering to “check”???? :-)
You got THAT right. Since we are in football season, Obama needs a new “offensive coordinator”. David Plouffe keeps calling the same draw plays and they are gaining nothing. When they drop back to pass,Obama gets sacked. And, to make things worse, the stands are only 1/4 full because most of the fans can’t affort the parking fee, much less the ticket prices.
If he waits till there’s nothing left to
trade with for him to present his grand
bargain, then how can it be for anything
but show?
But, that is one patented smile.
And why does HE call it a tax increase when it’s
actually not renewing part of the Bush tax cuts,
you paid for, in favor of the ultra wealthy?
Same old BS.
Obama was all for the Public Option months after he traded it away.
Obama has his super congress to give him his “Grand Bargain” so now he feels free to pretend it is not what he wants. I am sure he will be shocked when the final report looks exactly like what he wanted this spring…
100%. It’s a sick and obvious game.
Wind down the wars as quick as they were pumped up, !8 months tops.
He’s past failure on the 4 dimensions I can observe even if he’s spectacular in the other 7 dimensions he operates in.
This is all horseshit. He talks this shit now because his ass is on the line. If he actually gave a crap, he wouldn’t have done the super committee, he would have dealt with the debt increase in December and more or less has screwed up and is now going to be our best friend in the world. He will let the Republicans be the bad guys and he’ll say “What more could I do?!?”
That’s all that’s going to happen. Go ahead Obama, show us what a populist you are, because your actions have already spoken volumes about you. Right now, you look like a scared President who is going to lose the next election especially once the right comes back from visiting fringe territory after the primaries.
If the Democrats don’t nominate
a believable principled representative,
the voters will select a candidate
other than from the 2 major parties.
If he waits till there’s nothing left to
trade with for him to present his grand
bargain, then how can it be for anything
but show?
I know it sounds hopeful of a change, forced as it was. I just don’t know if I can muster much enthusiasm for whatever this man may try. Also he is continuing with the same GOP rhetoric of smaller government and cuts in size. It just seems too little and too late.
I will vow to remain open minded…… but it will be difficult.
Before Obama came on the tube I was watching Dean Baker on CSpan spar with an economist from the Heritage Foundation. He forced the repug to admit many things. In anycase, he also debunked the garbage about deficits and especially deficits in the time of economic downfall.
TurboTax Timmeh is up next after the call ins.
TalkingStick, I’m with you on the hope and change. Will wait and try to be open minded.
Obama knows this will never get passed. While he’s making all these never-will-happen promises, he should also promise to end all engagements in the middle east by December 2012, and ponies for every citizen in the US.
The dilemma FDL faces is whether it’s in its best interest to believe what it sees or what it hears. I pulled the following from Greenwald this a.m.: “Feigning progressive leanings for political gain is Obama’s modus operandi; as Matt Taibbi recently put it in explaining why he no longer listens to Obama’s speeches ….”
Ample evidence suggests Obama’s latest posturings are total nonsense orchestrated for his reelection campaign. So, if Greenwald gets it & Taibbi gets it, why is FDL pretending? IF Obama never seriously considered forwarding the “public option”, is it reasonable for us to believe he honestly thinks this grandiose debt reduction plan (that would be sure to win him reelection) does have a chance?
Come on FDL, you’re better than this.
No, we forced preznit’s approval ratings into the toilet and spiked his negatives by deliberating targeting his cruelty & lies for the past nine months. Preznit’s new campaign team finally did the math ….
But nothing will be done for the remaining 16 months of his preznitcy. Except he might veto a few things, but that would just ensure nothing is done to raise rates on the oligarchs while preznit is in office. He guaranteed nothing would be done when he gave away the store on higher rates in December 2010, with an added $40 Billion sweetener for trust fund heirs of billionaire estates.
Don’t worry, if he’s re-elected, he’ll change his mind and return to “pragmatism.”
I just heard Dick Durbin say the Democrats in the Senate weren’t even going to get to Obama’s urgent job bill until sometime next month.
What?
ON the other hand, we know it was never intended to pass anywhere in the first place, but was more or less a campaign prop.
Durbin better watch out or people might actually begin to believe they have no intention of doing anything about jobs. At least now they can hold onto a shred of fig leaf.
But, it is disappearing fast and may soon be gone, leaving only something dangling in the wind.
in my @34
deliberatingshould be deliberatelyOkay, everyone hold hands and sing Kumbaya. OFA 2012 – Obama For Assholes.
Bingo!
Only to have Catfood Commission III empowered in January 2013.
I hate sequels.
me neither. saved a precious 40 minutes for reading this morning.
Of course obama knows none of this is going to pass … funny how he didn’t try to do any of this when the dems had control of the house and senate or even when he had a lame duck congress … but now that it can’t, it’s time to pull out the ol’ sticking up for the little people bs. Maybe he’ll also make a push for passing efca now. Ha ha ha.
IMO, it’s also time to shore up the obama brand before he bows out of the 2012 race. He’s done enough damage to his re-election prospects by so gleefully pissing all over the third rail, aka ss, and now he can go back to acting like he really cares about anything other than himself and that he’s really trying to win the 2012 election when he wants no part of being president for another 4 years.
Z
It could be done cheaper if Obama outsourced the Super Committee to China or India.
Dday wrote that the latest strategy essentially “disbands” the Super-Congress. See my @2. I think that’s possible, if preznit does in fact veto Congress’s enactment in December of the Catfood Commission II report due at Thanksgiving. But there’s a lotta water yet to flow under those bridges.
Digby has a couple of posts about this on her blog.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/carrots-and-sticks-by-david-atkins.html
Guh. Stupid reply button. The above was in reference to bailey @33.
TarHeel, I kinda think Dday could be right as a practical matter. If preznit does in fact veto anything not matching cuts with higher tax revenues, Catfood Commission II goes nowhere. The “legislation” that would “disband” the Super-Congress would, of course, be the Senate vote failing to override the veto, which I do think we can still count on.
And, third one is ALWAYS the worst.
Where have you been????? That’s a brilliant idea.
Good points:
When Obama took over and had “the mandate”, and had Democratic majorities he never tried to do what Bill Clinton did in 1993, and reverse trickle-down economics, and take control of the economic debate. Even as the Democratic Congress was expiring, he agreed with extending all the Bush tax cuts — and cut off the debate.
So it’s a little hard to take him seriously now. And furthermore, nobody cares what Obama thinks anymore because he has “compromised” (caved) far too many times now to ever be taken seriously at this point.
And if he really wants to get the deficit under control, he’d reallty end the failed Foreign Occupations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and stop bombing Pakistan and Yemen. He could save Trillions of dollars by changing our disgraceful and corrupt Foreign Policy based on Worldwide mass-violence, bribery, and looting. But Obama won’t ever change those things.
This is just campaign-talk to fool the public. As soon as he is reelected, he’ll extend the Bush Tax cuts again.
4.5 trillion in cuts from the current 0% growth baseline, will subtract 450 billion per year, or 3% from the GDP per annum.
And yes, tax increases also take money out of the economy, pseudo-Keynesians.
I don’t think the Obama Administration wants that to pass.
-3% from annual GDP is a drastic move from their current policy of lying about the -10% we are losing from GDP (GDP minus debt).
I don’t think they want to be that frank with this public just yet…
straining the limits on block quotes just a little, here is how the Lib Dem Business minister for the coalition govt in the UK spoke about the greedy rich dodging taxes:
More kabuki. Not only is it designed to fail, it is premised on failure.
There will be no victories for the working classes.
Political posturing via populism is a time honored Democratic tactic in the election cycle and will prove, once again, to be prevarication in Obama’s second term should he win one. That’s when the real damage will be done. Anyone who believes this latest speech takes our already shredded social safety net off the cutting block of austerity is naive. There’s always next year… and the year after that… and the year after that… and…
Nothing will change between now and next November except the finger-in-the-wind based campaign rhetoric that both discredited political parties hope will win them the next election.
I think Obama will win.
And his second term will be worse than his first.
Imagine that…
Ezra Klein linked to a PDF from the White House supposedly containing the full text of preznit’s new plan to cut deficits, but possibly not including the actual text of preznit’s speech this morning.
I hope I don’t have to add every time I mention Ezra Klein that everything Ezra writes is wrong. His “analysis” today is no different: he never once admitted that preznit deeply desires and intends to cut Social Security eventually, somehow. He never once admitted that preznit fully intends to shrink eligibility for Medicare if he can win re-election, somehow. He ignored completely that preznit is deliberately and publicly asking for $72 BILLION in cuts to Medicaid, which won’t come from the “providers” but instead will come from states slashing eligibility and capping benefits. That will be a $72 BILLION cut in direct health benefits to the middle class.
More of what you didn’t read in preznit’s speech from Vince Cable, the Lib Dem Business minister in the UK coalition govt, in his speech today to the Liberal-Democrat party conference:
Just go back to Clinton-era taxation including dumping the Social Security Tax Cut…that would take care of everything without the need to go after the Social Safety Net.
I predict a Democratic bloodbath in 2012 just speculation of course. O has succeeded in destroying the Democratic party. What a guy /s.
I hope most people realize the payroll tax cut puts the SS income stream in the general fund. Now they can claim it’s part of the deficit. Watch what he does not what he says.
Wow……that seems TOO simple to actually work. What’t that quote form Winston Churchill. “You can count on America to do the right thing, AFTER they have tried everything else.”
Great report DDay – thanks your summary.
Quite right.
Instead of all this cutting, how about getting some manufacturing in the US again, eh?
Cause they don’t want to do anything to upset their masters.
Why should we suffer any cuts to the social safety net we’ve paid into all our lives after they’ve run us into the ground?
They can take their “shared sacrifice” and go to hell.
Obama should cut to the chase and call it the quasi dictatorship committee.