Ron Suskind’s book looks like it will be the talk of the entire week. The dispute with Anita Dunn over a truncated quote is sucking up a lot of oxygen. I haven’t read the book, but I think the context does indicate that the President stepped in when the old boy’s network was getting to be a problem, and that Anita’s quote still makes it clear that the work environment was hostile to women – or maybe just plain hostile – before that.
But the passages on Obama’s economic beliefs are really consequential, and perhaps getting lost. Brad DeLong has been excerpting parts of the text and I think they make a bunch of things clear.
First, Tim Geithner very clearly made a bureaucratic play in favor of the banks and against any wind-down of Citi or any other firm, and Rahm Emanuel was right behind him on it. The President’s instinct was to use a wind-down of Citi as an example to the financial industry of the consequences of its recklessness, and Geithner made sure that no plan would be put forward except his plan to whitewash the situation with stress tests and use his special accounts (the “Hobbit accounts,” Emanuel called them, because they had names like TALF and PPIP) to prop up the banks. Whether he slow-walked the plans or not, he certainly ensured his plan was prominent.
On the greater economy, Obama seems to have developed some very peculiar opinions for someone in the midst of a jobless recovery. He came up with the idea that productivity gains were responsible for high unemployment rather than a shortfall in demand, and in late 2009 he didn’t want to hear about any more money for stimulus, raging at Christina Romer when she broached the idea. When told that the economy wasn’t coming back fast enough and that unemployment could be as high as 9.8% by the end of 2010 (it ended up pretty close to that), Obama half-heartedly wished Mark Zandi would be right and that they should “start talking about” a jobless recovery to get out in front of it. But this was pretty weak tea, and the realization of a jobless recovery seems to have come very late.
It also came at a time when the President clearly wanted to steer a new course toward deficit reduction. He requested a memo from Peter Orszag to go to him directly, around the National Economic Council which is supposed to ferry that information to the President. What crucial memo had to come from Orszag? Options for a bond market failure and a fiscal crisis. This is about 10th on the priority list by the spring of 2009, behind jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
The first thing that jumps out is similar to Digby’s take:
It certainly does clear up any thought we might have had about whether or not the president is a real fiscal conservative or whether he was just flogging this deficit obsession for political effect. He’s a true believer. And we know this because of his reliance on other deficit hawks and that when the political bloodbath that the jobless recovery had predicted came true, his first move was to validate the Republicans’ manufactured narrative about what had motivated their voters and launch his program of budget cuts and deficit reduction.
I have thought that his fetish for a Grand Bargain was mostly born of a delusional belief that he was someone who could bridge unbridgeable differences and be remembered as the man who brought cats and dogs together. But it looks as though he was just as motivated by the fact that he’s a true blue, Concord Coalition, Pete Peterson deficit hawk.
It is nice to know what’s in the man’s head, but this also colors the current debate over the American Jobs Act and the deficit plan the White House just put out (class warfare!). We have the makings of a serious global crisis, with Japanification across much of the industrialized world, and the Obama plan represents one of the few out there among world leaders that actually would increase deficits in the near term.
However, unlike Britain or Italy or Japan, in a Presidential system with a bicameral legislature, the President doesn’t have the unilateral option to set all fiscal policy into action. And so you have to look to his core beliefs, and between the two you understand that the jobs bill and the deficit plan are political documents, blueprints for a re-election campaign, rather than serious attempts to pass legislation.
And that’s fine, since Republicans aren’t likely to sign onto anything that will make much of a difference anyway. But this mindset, this favoring of deficit reduction over jobs, something apparent for years, still lurks somewhere. And you have to wonder whether this new agenda is a turning away from that or a temporary expedient. Indeed, it’s not even temporary; the deficit plan still cuts budgets by $3.6 trillion, after all. So no let-up there.
This is why people like John Judis see little but doom in our economic future.




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But it looks as though he was just as motivated by the fact that he’s a true blue, Concord Coalition, Pete Peterson deficit hawk.
Shocker!!! After all, who was the only elected official(Federal) to show up at the opening of the Concord Coalition unveiling?
I’ve thought for awhile that he (Obama) had bought the arguments about deficits, and wasn’t hearing any good arguments against the resulting hysteria about bringing them down. He just seemed genuinely to believe they hysteria was warranted.
That’s probably generational and educaitonal. Paul Krugman has written about how, somehow, in the last 30 yrs or so anti-Keynesian economics has taken over academic economics, not to mention business. Obama has bought into it, big-=time. And he doesn’t listen to Keynesians like Krugman or Baker or Galbraith who might be able to persuade him it’s all wrong if they could get his ear.
But what struck me, listening to Terry Gross interview Suskind about the book, was how right so many DFH’s and Firebaggers have been about where the problems came from. Not just Obama having wrong-headed beliefs, but Summers and Geithner shouting down and shutting out Romer and anyone else who didn’t believe as they did. And Rahm screwing up everything with his disorganized, nasty personality. According to Suskind, everyone wanted Rahm gone, but Obama’s “loyalty” prevented him from firing him; he says the relief was “palpable” around the WH when Rahm decided to run for may or Chicago.
It seems to me we, like Krguman, have been mostly right, while the people in charge have been mostly wrong.
And it sounds like the presidential bubble prevented opposing voices from getting through, also.
Of course one can also argue that Obama’s “mindset” and what was “in his head” is irrelevant, that whatever his economic “beliefs” were is moot, and that he simply did what he was told to do. There is ample evidence that there’s not much in his head, after all.
I agree that the current austerity fetish will make things worse i have trouble seeing how stimulus will produce longterm growth. It will work short term but when the stimulus ends we return to the problem of weak demand.
Our Consumer economy requires excess wages to drive growth beyond necessary consumption. Wages have been flat for at least 30yrs and are falling today so how do people spend what they don’t have. For the last 30yrs consumers used credit and home equity to replace excess wages but those are gone and will never return.
Krugman and Keynes are not the same. Keynes wanted deficits to be cyclical and temporary, Krugman is a knee-jerk spender. The terrible US financial situation is definitely not cyclical and temporary, it’s deep and long lasting, a result of structural problems: tariff reduction, loss of manufacturing, mechanization, over-regulation and the relative attractiveness of outsourcing compared to domestic staffing.
Thank you, David.
FireDogLake is an amazing site:
DDay provides “perspectives” which strongly suggest that Barack Obama is, fully, a “believer” in budgets cuts and deficit reduction – essentially anti-Keynesian as Paul Krugman has suggested – although, most carefully, not about Obama, himself … mere hours after Blue Texan asserts the “All the Right People Hate Obama’s Deficit Plan”, meaning David Brooks and the Kabuki Players in the red jerseys … leading BT to exclaim, that Obama “… is on the right track”, because Brooks et al, hate the plan … and then BT says, “Maybe he is finally learning.”
My thought is that nothing is changed and that Obama is firmly set in his ways.
Who can imagine who shall pay, and a t what “price” … for the perceived “reality” which faces this nation, and, quite frankly, the world?
DW
Krugman is a tame economist who will never ruffle the feathers of those who expect him to clutch perals and NEVER suggest any meaningful plan. Keynes famously said that he was willing to change his mind about things if the facts warranted such change … you needn’t worry yourself, don, as handbaskets will be selling quite briskly as things head downward … Krugman may squawk but his job is not to be heard, merely to sing a doleful accompaniement.
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The British are watching and wondering and no doubt others, too:
Could world social unrest hit America’s streets?
With the exception of two or three, the American politicians continue playing their game of getting elected and re-elected. What’s going on among We the People is something I don’t think most of them will recognize until it hits them full in the face.
O is a nobody in a someone suit. Some people are still fooled, or want to be fooled, by the suit. The nobody is an ideological conservative who sucks up and kicks down. He gets if on butt effing the weak. Also, he’s a woman hater.
How do, fatster?
Aye-yep!
Bet them Brits don’t envy us ‘Murkans our pearly whites no mo’ … gon’ see how we sinks our teeth inta hard-bitten reality soon like, they reckon.
The political cla$$ got$ impotink thang$ on they mind$ and they ain’t aboot ta let nuthing di$tract ‘em none, you betcha. Git while they gittin’$ good.
DW
Mayhaps the BBC ought to visit Wall Street, just to see the bull?
Otherwise, do the Brits have our “number”?
“Three years into the Depression … before …”
How many yeasrs are we into this very real Depression … thirty years, some say, of depressed incomes.
But then, we are “exceptional”.
Thanks for the link, fatster, always appreciated.
;~DW
Thanks for the response, DWB, always deeply appreciated.
Now, where could he possibly have picked those up?
Obama is our Grover Cleveland. The Democrats had a hard time after the Civil War and Cleveland won by getting Republican votes, mostly because he was less horribly corrupt than the Republican candidates, but also because he didn’t push the Democratic issues hard. (Both parties were conservative, but the Democrats had a few saving graces). In office he was worse than expected, sending the Army in to crush the Pullman strike.
Out of this came the Populist Party, which failed but frightened the other two parties enough to get some concessions and force them to think about certain issues.
There is an extended interview with Ron Susskind about this, and naturally Stewart covers more cogent points than any of the appearances put together.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
he’s a blue dog but he won’t admit it
that explains just about everything about the last 3 years
u chi shock troops strike again
quite plainly, the neolibs control the planet: see greece
so this whole world of shit is on their greedy heads
maybe it’s time to try something different
How many times do some liberals have to be hit upside the head with the obvious evidence of Obama’s neoliberalism to believe it? Some of us knew that we’d been had when he brought in Rahm, Larry Summers, and Geithner. He went to the DLC Congresscritters and literally CRIED, telling them “I am one of you.” He lecture Black fathers about their irresponsibility in a see-through Sistah Soujah moment. Do we need a tattoo to get the message?
A great deal of magical thinking has been invested in this President. You have to ask yourself if, in part, this may owe to the skin-deep wishful thinking of a VERY shallow American liberalism.
Thank you for the link, myshadow, ’tis much appreciated.
DW
http://www.bgladd.com/Obamas3stooges.jpg
With lil-wimmin-jes-can’t-do-math-or-think-logically Summers in charge, and Christine Romers’ departure, who could dispute WH is hostile to females. Too bad we can’t be a fly on the wall in the living quarters to hear O’s arguments with Michelle & his MIL.
I watched the Daily Show link of Jon’s interview with Suskind, and my take away from the book, although I admit to not reading it, is that the President is just too inexperienced to be an effective president. He’s too inexperienced with politics in general, let alone with being a president.
We are the chimpions of the world!
Man, you is on “lists” that don’t even have names … vb.
(Bet a couple “agencies” are in “business” just keeping track of how you monkey ’round and tweak the noses of “authority” … someday you’re gonna have to put up a sample of your guitar work … if it’s like that thesis you shared last evening … gonna be sumthin’ else, outta sight … another thing, beyond view.)
;~DW
That was evident when he ran for office. He has no experience whatsoever.
He was elected bc he was chosen by the PTB, trained and financed by them bc he would follow their dictates.
On edit: O is U.S. Akmedinejad. In the respects I’ve already mentioned, plus at least one more. I’m reading Robin Wright’s book on Iranian Revolution and it is full of hopey-changey. Look what the Iranian people got…
Peter Principle in all respects. So out of his depth that he is just a tool.
that is very interesting.
so warren rudman is one of obama’s models.
You think Michelle and her Mom say anything atall, to Barack, eCAHN?
I hope so, but I do wonder.
Early on, everyone was saying the Michelle was even more intelligent than Barack … could well be, the love of my life is wiser and more diplomatic than I am, smarter too … but Michelle has been no Eleanor … that’s certain.
DW
Interesting comparison, eCAHN.
DW
I’m looking to 2016. I agree, what was in O’s head is irrelevant. For all his vaunted intelligence, O is clearly not a student of history. Had he read the history of the Great Depression, he may have realized sooner he was treading the path of Hoover. Romer, an expert on the Great Depression, was pretty much iced out(not enough testosterone, I guess).
Anyway, we will either have more of the same with Obama if he wins in 2012 or more of the same if the Republicans win in 2012. The only way out of this mess is a full fledged civilian resistance. Stop going to work. Stop paying taxes. Most of all stop pretending that anyone in our current government gives a damn about you.
“WE — ARE THE CHIII-I-IMPIONS, WE — ARE THE CHIII-I-IMPIONS, …”
LOL…
32 years ago, live in a Holiday Inn lounge in Knoxville TN. 5 pc band; guitar, bass, drums, trombone, and sax. We usually outnumbered the crowd.
http://www.bgladd.com/EleanorRigbyReggae1979.mp3
Do you ever wonder what she does all day? I do. The wives used to be involved in opening this, and attending that but she doesn’t seem to do anything.
That is exactly what I wonder about, Twain.
Now I’m gonna go take a listen-hear to what vb and band be layin’ down.
Back … sometime.
;~DW
I think at the start, it was more a naivete about the position. He was only a senator for a very short time. And I do think that he may have started out with good intentions, but was easily manipulated to govern in the way that he is governing now without feeling confident about bucking the system the way it is currently working. He’s been convinced that this is how it’s done.
That can also imply that he was picked by the PTB for the very reason of his inexperience.
Peter principle? No, I don’t think so. The peter principle is applied to someone who would never be effective. It seems more to me that 20 more years of political experience would have helped him greatly.
Counts money. Really, she’s been a mediocre First Lady. No doubt being afraid of upstaging her black male husband plays a role. Black women are always being accused of “castrating” their men. It’s a deeply ingrained meme in the black community.
I don’t have a link, but he has admitted he is a blue dog.
I think he is much farther to the right then that, He appears solidly Republican on social issues to.
Ridiculous.
i think the health care fiasco ruined obama’s presidency
and that was a fiasco politically mainly bc obama tried desperately to pretend he wasn’t selling out the public option and drug pricing when that was exactly what he was doing all along
what is most amazing to me is that the democratic party would rather see its own president in humiliating failure and the party rendered nearly extinct rather than veer from neoliberal orthodoxy
neoliberalism has the democratic party, the country, and the world in a death grip
Vb, that is superb, deft arrangement and perfect balance. Who did the sound? How long did you work as a band? When FDL folks get together, there are some primo musicians that ought to do some jammin’ for the rest of us, shore ’nuff!
You should put up some other cuts as I’m certain that you’d have some serious appreciation.
Thank you, vb.
;~DW
I do think they argue only bc of the one alleged remark that M passed to Carla Bruni about how she hated being first lady.
There is absolutely no empirical evidence to support the contention that the current rate of unemployment is structural. This point has been demonstrated over and over by economists.
The only skill needed to be head of a country is the wiliness needed to get to the top of the mountain & the skill to keep others from unseating you. It’s why the U.S. prez “election” is all about the horse race and zero about policy or other “qualifications.”
Thanks. That was just a patch out of our stage board into a cassette deck.
That band was only together for two years. The bass player was 19 at the time, a jazz major at UTK. He’s now the head of the Department of Musicology at the University of Minnesota.
Some of my old home studio demos from that era are here:
http://www.myspace.com/bgladdmusic
I’d say the health care “fiasco” finished what was already a failed presidency, owing to “looking forward” and the futher destruction of the Rule of Law, starting from day one with spying on “the people” as if they were the “enemy” …
Otherwise, in my opinion, you have described Obama’s modus operandi and modus vivendi with exact precision, wbgonne.
DW
AND, even if it were structural, it REQUIRES large increases in government spending to transition to a different economy. How do you think structural issues can be dealt with? Do you think the private sector will solve the problem all by itself?
So it would appear. Yet the chosen must never know that he was deliberately chosen and groomed (from a large enough stable), or if he finds out (unlikely), must pretend he doesn’t know. It doesn’t work if he knows or is complicit. He has to feel fortunate and pathologically deserving of his own gifts and right.
O has already begun caving on his weak AJA . He says he will accept pieces of
it. This is not the way to negotiate. You negotiate a single package,and you
don’t yield any ground before negotiations begin.
That was journeyman sound, vb, I’m not surprised that serious capacity lay behind it, as I’ve come to appreciate your many levels of superlative excellence.
I’ve a brother in law, vb, a keyboardist who started playing when he was four years of age, has several great bands and does a lot of studio work. I imagine that the two of you would hit it off supremely well. Next time I see him I’m gonna mention you, for sure.
A distinct pleasure to hear and see your work, my friend.
DW
Not so sure. The “chosen” people of Israel bask in the glory of being chosen, ditto every U.S. “manifest destinian” who also basked in the glory of being god’s chosen, straight out of OT quotes and starting with the pilgrims. I don’t know for sure, but it seems like chosen people think they’ve attained that honor bc they are so supercaifragilisticexpialodocious.
Always wondered what being “chosen” required, never sought such smug self-satisfaction, but what you say does make the best sense of it I’ve ever encountered, eCAHN. Do they have to be able to spell it or is it just a “feelin’”?
;~DW
Basically BO sucks!
I want to see if there is anything more to this sexism thing.
Geitner I wasn’t sure about but I knew Rahm and Summers were jackasses and bigots!
I have no idea how they feel. The only way I’ve been able to understand it is “intellectually,” by reading books about it.
As for spelling, with spell-check, I think that’s no longer a requirement. *g*
And here’s where I type that in all the millennia prior to WWII, the Jews ruled Israel about 70 years (throw in a couple hundred more if you like; I don’t know the history that well). That’s a mighty thin property rights claim for a people chosen by god. Or a seriously impotent god.
The quote from Digby accords with my claims that Obama is a secret Republican.
Why the focus on deficit reduction instead of jobs? 1) Because the rich don’t need jobs, but they benefit from cheap labor. High unemployment means a weak bargaining position for workers. 2) No or low deficits weaken demands to raise taxes on the rich.
Michelle was a corporate lawyer. Don’t invest too much hope there.
I think that most here are on to obumble and his hidden agenda of restoring US politics to its rightful position: rethugs on top.
At the risk of repeating myself, a-hem…
Obama is a fraud.
And his second term will be worse than his first.
That’s when the real damage will be done.
Couldn’t agree more. Just as the Nixon pardon set the stage for all the old Nixon hands to get reincarnated as neocons, so the “looking forward, not backward” obscenity will set the stage for a comeback of the neocon criminals. And, of course, we have already seen how that abrogation of the rule of law mentality has resurrected all the banking industry criminals to the point where they can do their dirty deeds again.
Please, let’s not take this shallow understanding of the meaning of “chosen” in the Jewish faith too far. It carries burdens as well as benefits. It’s not necessary to impugn the religion in order to criticize the political leadership of Israel. (There is no religious dogma that does not deserve impugning, but that’s an equal opportunity thingy.) Consider this a PSA.
I have no reliable access to so-called received Scripture and I’m not surprised that the narrative tacking of ‘chosen people’ has taken such an exclusionary course.
Bill Hicks (December 16, 1961 – February 26, 1994)
eCAHN, I read all of Robin Wright’s stuff that I can. I have been following her reporting and analysis for many years. She has a new book out now called Rock the Casbah: Rage and Rebellion across the Islamic World. She is now at the US Institute of Peace. I’m not sure how independent they are, but in all the years of reading her work, I think that you could probably apply Shirley Chisholm’s saying to Ms Wright that in journalism, she is unbought and unbossed.
Thanks, Dday. Especially loved the IMF link.
Check out the chart in the IMF article.
I’m an equal opportunity all religions impugner. Feel free to impugn atheism. It’s been done a lot. I don’t take it personally.
On Edit: Shallow or deep. Commenter’s choice.
Well done.
I think that now the chosen in the US are the “Chosin Few.”
I never impugn atheism. I’m an agnostic, so we are cousins. ;-)
There are plenty of economists and heads of state (see all of Europe for example)who think the same way, that austerity will somehow bring about recovery. The old government is crowding out private investment meme and the deficit is to blame. Obama is mixing up a little spending for jobs since he thinks unemployment is the big threat facing his reelection. Not a big surprise there. It shows though that he understands a little about it, a bit more than Merkel. But he is still trapped in his neo liberal coat, I think.
The thugs actually believe the same thing, just that they don’t want O to win, they have their own assholes in the race. So who will take the populist vote?? At least O took SS off the block for now. But who knows later on after the election.
I think this is only the second Wright book I’ve read. I’ve owned it for quite awhile (and my copy is stamped in front “No longer property of the Seattle library), but hadn’t read it yet. Since it was already on my shelf, I thought I’d start with it. All I know about the Iranian revolution is U.S. propaganda. I’ll keep your recommendation in mind.
I’ve been of the impression that Wright is a solid citizen & this book does not disappoint.
*kissing* cousins?
Dayen and Susskind appear to be surreptitious apologists for Obama.
Susskind/Dayen are suggesting Obama’s beliefs are wrong. The implication is, give Obama the right advisors and give Obama the right arguments, and Obama will act rightly. No, all this has nothing to do with Obama’s beliefs–Obama has no beliefs–it has to do with where the money is.
It’s not the beliefs. It is the person.
Dday would not be a “surreptitious” anything. He writes it straight. You need to backtrack on Dday’s innumerable posts here to see how often he called out preznit for being the tool that he is. Good word, though. Surreptitious.
As for Suskind, dunno, haven’t read his book. Probably won’t. I put it in the same class as Woodward’s insider accounts. Possibly unfair to Suskind.
While it is natural to say we are broke and need to cut spending, the question is what are “we” going to do to bring in more money? No one thought the GOP was anything other than a fat-cat-boot-kisser. Obama and Democrats everywhere were supposed to be aware of the “people”, but instead they also need to kiss boots to be reelected.
If we do not create some energy “for” the people, the righties will roll over us and our voice will not be heard for a very long time. See the conditions in the red states. Democracy has been shut down. New laws are making sure it will not easily return.
Obama is a diversion. He was only elected because Bush was a disaster. Obama has tried to maintain what we had like public education, teacher’s jobs, lower taxes. We know the truth. After trillions were stolen from our economy, we are almost out of blood. All we have left is the hulk of a structure on which to rebuild if we can keep the land and structures out of the hands of the Chinese, multi-national corporations and all the greedy-guts who brought us down in order to plunder. We need to organize and play our own game quickly because right now we are big-time losers. First we need some serious coalitions. Next we need connectivity and some good ideas. Getting a Democratic sweep in 2012 may sound stupid to some, but we have learned in CA that is does hamper GOP obstruction. The US, Europe and Japan are going down. China, Brazil and others are going up. What are the US “people” going to do?
We already knew that obumble was on the wrong road when he chose his advisors and left out any possible progressives. After all, it was more important that he get geithner and his tax problems to handle Treasury.
LOL. Worse things could happen. ;-)
House votes to cut all funding for US Institute of Peace
Looking a little bleak is it? Two things: first we won’t ever run out of money, impossible, won’t happen. And yeah, it would be nice to slow down the thugs with a split government, but right now I wouldn’t count on it.
Hey DW sorry for the O/T but I put a new diary up and value your opinion. So if you gave time to gander at it I would appreciate it.
Booyakasha!
I think he did read at least one book on the Great Depression. Unfortunately, it was written by Amity Shlaes. (Obama’s views on FDR being irresponsible)
spot on comment
With our society’s fetishism of expert authorities and their infallible technical advice, we often confuse prestigious degrees and being employed by elite institutions with intelligence. Reminds me of William F. Buckley, someone clearly “educated” beyond his intelligence.
Amen to your second paragraph.
I haven’t read the Suskind book. I doubt that reading it would cause me to change my mind on anything having to do with Obama’s economic policies. He’s a spawn of the system he now leads, and he serves the interests of the powerful groups and organizations which dominate this system.
The Democratic Party gives us the coldly ruthless predators.
The Republican Party gives us the maniacal predators.
This difference might amount to a dime, pace George Wallace.
LOL
“That’s a mighty thin property rights claim for a people chosen by god. Or a seriously impotent god.”
Oh, that property claim is perhaps a bit stronger than the White and black folks have to Indian land in the USA!
Indeed a generous view on Israel in control – at least around Jerusalem as they were high land folks with the Canaanites in the lowlands – is from 2300 BC to perhaps 1500, then again around 1200 to 700, then 500 to the Romans. As to being a “power” in the area, perhaps a few hundred years out of 4000. A very old Mid-East saying is “things change” –
As to beliefs – religion – and Atheism meets my definition of a religion via a belief in some that can not be proven – I’m into everyone being their own priest. Unfortunately American politics has a group that has only one allowed interpretation and that leads to difficulty in getting Bibi to agree to a 2 state solution that is viable.
Thanks for the info. I tried the link, but no go. I guess they were not subservient enough.
Maybe the Chinese will better manage the “land and the structures”?
hahahahahahahahahahaha
This reveals the loss of faith in trickle-down technological growth. O tells the truth but cannot effect the necessary response; Summers et al., thanks to Suskind, are rehabilitated as compassionate as they stick their knives in their turkey.
Would O do the necessary thing if he could? It doesn’t matter, the technocracy won’t allow it.
They choose barbarism.
Where do you come by this nonsense? I know Paul pretty well and I never heard him say anything like that (or write anything like that). Gives some links, or STFU
Probably taking care of the girls. They are going to need a lot of support when the shit storm reveals their father’s incompetence. He’s really exposed on that front.
In reply to Knut @ 85
Krugman is rehabilitating himself (noted before), as is being done for Summers et al. Now that Obummer has played their game, they are going to cook him and the Repugs will take on the job next. Two and a half years of illusion was all they were willing to pay for.
just got here, to late to make a difference but I might as well give it a go;
as far as I know, i was the very first person to recognize this president is a “trickle down economist”
I recognized that way back when he insisted the democrats climb on board the bush “tarp” which actually gave money to the people who not only caused the problem, but stole from us blind
I predected right there, every “economic program” the president might come up with would be from the top down;
“if we give people who caused the problem money, then they will hire people”
of COURSE the math is impossible, even if the theory might be true, if you give a person an extra dollar, he can’t possibly spend more then that dollar on labor and in fact he must spend less since he is in business of turning profit
however if you give that dollar for a direct job, then one humdred percent of that dollar is used to make a job
simple stuff but the president STILL proves time and again, with each and every program he suggests, that he is in fact a trickle down economist, no matter how much a moron that makes him, his actions prove the point
I think he’s more of a “fuck you down there” economnist. On edit, I think that’s what “trickle down” has always meant.
Well, Buckley’s ego always gave his game away with that self-satisfied, half smile he would flash to the audience every time he scored a point in a debate. It told you that he was not interested in thinking or arriving at pragmatic, informed solutions. He was only interested in affirming his status and supposed socioeconomic superiority by winning points. That’s not a mark of intelligence.
Obama had to “go populist” at some point to get re-elected, but it’s all (just like the 2008 campaign) talk, and nothing else.
We needed FDR and we got Hoover (and this is really slamming Hoover who was quite accomplished).
yes. that is what it always meant
This is absurd. The shallow focus on personalities and character is how they manipulate and deceive us.