The threat of a government shutdown, hardly part of any policy debates currently, became all the more real today, as Harry Reid vowed that he would not back down and would seek to replace the disaster relief section of the House continuing resolution, if it gets to the Senate, with an offset-free bill passed in the Senate last week. See here for details.
“If they want to stay into next week, that’s fine, we can do that…we can work all next week. The government doesn’t shut down until I think it’s a week from Saturday,” Mr. Reid told reporters. “Senator McConnell said there will be no shutdown. I’m not that sure. I’m not that sure. Because the Tea Party-driven House of Representatives has been so unreasonable in the past I don’t know why they should suddenly be reasonable.” [...]
At issue is about $3.2 billion in fiscal 2012 funding for FEMA, the Army Corps of Engineers, and agricultural disaster assistance. Last week, Senate Democrats, joining with 10 Republicans, passed a bill aimed at increasing FEMA’s disaster relief account by nearly $7 billion. Mr. Reid is insisting that this legislation be included in a broader House package to fund the rest of the government, however, Republicans insist that any additional spending measures be offset with spending cuts.
Reid called the need to pass disaster relief funding without offsets “a matter of principle,” and added, “We’re not going to cave in on this.” Republicans started blaming Reid for any potential shutdown, which is what you would do if a shutdown were imminent.
I don’t think Reid is articulating the principle well. What the Republicans are doing is saying that a natural disaster must cause government accounts to drop. It assumes there’s a finite amount of money available for spending, and if a hurricane blows through your house, someone else, in this case hybrid vehicle manufacturers, have to pay for it. Now, the Chevy Volt had nothing to do with the hurricane. But they’re bearing the burden for rebuilding after the storm.
This is completely unprecedented in the history of the nation and defies common sense; that’s why Reid is fighting it, to make sure it doesn’t become a new normal. Federal disasters are by definition emergency spending, and if they aren’t treated as such, every disaster causes a reduction in overall GDP. There’s also the irony of hurting the production of clean vehicles, and thereby contributing to climate change, to pay for rebuilding after natural disasters which themselves owe their increased frequency and intensity to climate change.
If this is just a he said/she said fight, it will be hard for either side to gain advantage. If it’s clear that this is about forcing unrelated people to pay for a natural disaster, it’s a fight Democrats can win.
UPDATE: To show you how this could so easily turn into a clusterfuck, four Senate Republicans who voted for disaster relief without offsets – Roy Blunt, Susan Collins, Scott Brown and Dean Heller – are now waffling on whether they’ll support it again.





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Riiiiiiiiight…… He caves in on everything else but he’s not going to cave on this? Let me know when Elvis gets here.
Let’s hope they continue to push the Republicans.
“Our system of government is a voluntary tax system… Of course you have to pay them.” -Harry Reid
“My staff tells me not to say this, but I’m going to say it anyway, in the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol. It may be descriptive but it’s true.” -Harry Reid
“And we won’t cave.” -Harry Reid
“Elvis just entered the building.” -Harry Reid
Reid ups the auntie … says he won’t back down … dis assed her relief … fun … ding! …?
” … cave in …”
Um, craven? … on this?
Just a question of em pha sis … no doubt.
This time we MEAN … it!!!
Ho-yeah …
It merely de pends on how ya Reid it.
Elvis? Here? Whocoulddamagine?
DW
Is this why we hear nothing of the plight of our fellow country people on the NOOZ? Because the “government” doesn’t want to pay for the crimes against Nature they have allowed the polluters to get away with?
Instead, the lead story seems to be another woman who ahs disappeared in Aruba: stay away from Aruba…..now back to our coverage of how the resident of the entire East Coast of America are coping with this unnatural disaster brought to you by Big Oil, Big Coal and your House of “Representatives”
Lest we forget: Hurricane Irene photo
It’s erection year.
Wait ’til the erection is over, we’ll be back to the same song and dance.
That’s true. Never before have US taxpayers prefered to put cash in the hands of a profitable corp. at the expense of disaster relief.
Bullwinkle: “Hey, Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat.”
Rocket J. Squirrel: “Again?!”
How could anything possibly go wrong? s
. . .somehow my comment got caught between my “” and my “s”. Don’t you just hate when that happens? s
Elvis is in the house!
LOL. Hadn’t thought of that in years. Used to watch with my kids.
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LOL! iz awlreddy!
Kin hardly wait, I’se jus’ so enthusulated, Kassandra, that ole shuck and jive … all that steppin’ … all that fetch it … why Homelan’ sakes alive, I’m so fired up the ‘og, why it lake jumped rite on over the cheese and crackers which got all muddy …
You ‘loud ta talk lake that, BTW? Well, ya know wud they says ’bout Viagra Falls and them things what pump up eggsightmint … things like Reidin’ the rye-odd act and sew wan? Gotta haf it and Pelosi says we don’ even know thad much on account of the table ain’t even there ta not have nuthin’ on it … seems id disappeared ’bout the time them too-big-ta-jail bankers ran out of they bonus caviar an’ that stuff they swill around lunch time. Who they havin’ for lunch, bye the buy, this week, ya know?
Well, I see the chameleon in chief has got new strpes and is singin’ a differen’ song dis weak so its posumbull thet he’s gonna fool sum a da peeps agin … afore ‘lection time … ya know how them lezzer weevils be?
Time ta go count some chickens afore they hatch …
See ya ’round, Kassandra.
;~DW
DW, I wish I cared what Obama says or does but I don’t. Can’t believe a word he utters and Harry Reid – please.
You musta missed Blue Texan’s stand, today, “All the Right People Hate Obam’s Deficit Plan”, then, I reckon?
Always good to see you, Twain.
;~DW
Good to see you, too. At least we can celebrate the end of DADT today. I think it’s wonderful and hilarious about Dan Choi saying he’s going back in the military. Talk about in-your-face!
Pfffft! Right. I’m just supposed to take his word for it, is that it? Because he’s never caved before after promising not to.
They should change the name of the “Volt” to the “Anti-Hurricane Car”
Oh, we of little faith. Wouldn’t it be nice to believe again.
Twain, I suggested the other day that certain people, well, everyone at FDL, but you in particular, might consider that their story, their history and experience might be a very good thing to share … as it might well serve as a blueprint for creating a better and more humane world.
Would you be willing to do such a diary or even such a series of posts?
I think that what you have experienced and your perspectives would be appreciated by many. I know I would enjoy hearing more about your life and thoughts about your experiences.
A People’s History is what I’m suggesting … written by the people.
DW
Who are we discussing here? Reid or Obama?
Just exactly like Elvis is really in the house!
I just might do that. Heaven knows, I’ve lived long enough to have a history. Thanks.
It would be lovely to believe again. Unfortunately, it’s just not appropriate these days.
I hope that you might and, by so doing, encourage others to do so.
Looking forward, I am.
;~DW
Speaking of “belief”, Twain, by sharing we come to believe in each other and ourselves as we come to trust and respect each other — that is where trust must begin … and from such trust is belief and understanding forged.
What think you?
DW
I think you’re correct and I feel close to the believers here at FDL. Really good people who love their country. I keep looking for someone in DC who has the guts to help us and I can’t find anyone. I sadly have reached the conclusion that the entire thing is corrupt and must be taken apart, given a good shake and put back together properly.
I agree, that is where the nation and “the people” are at.
However, I consider that we are prepared and able to do what must be done.
In truth we must do this rebuiding, not for ourselves, but for all who come after … for the world already belongs to the young, but it falls to us, as it reasonably should, to rise to this necessary occassion, with courage, dignity, conviction and good heart.
Have we not been preparing for just this time, all of our lives, Twain, knowing, somehow that such is our larger purpose?
I FEEL that to be truth.
DW
Yes, I think so. My generation (I have no idea how old you are) grew up in some uncertain times when people did not expect a lot of, for lack of a better term, comforts. We could survive now while the rich and coddled could not. Can you imagine Mrs. Golden Sacks planting a garden so that they could eat? :)
Reid and company don’t seem to get how much credibility they’ve lost over the last 2.5 years. Like Twain, I don’t believe a word Reid or Obama says anymore (Hey, Harry, I’m still waiting for the Public Option to be “revisited”. If just once, one of these assholes would say “Yeah, I fucked this up and it’s clear what I did was wrong..” maybe, I would be open to listening. I think it’s safe to say, that will never happen.
Twain, I am three score and four, and especially value your longer-range perspective, especially as I find that many of your generation have not the love of life and beinghood which you always exemplify in your comments and ready encouragement of others.
You and Talking Stick both have much understanding which those of us who are younger cannot possibly have; thus your sense of things has a “scale”, a breadth and a depth, which has great importance and suasion. You have lived more change than the rest of most of us and retained all your enthusiasm and grace in a world now sadly lacking in both.
Yes, you know how to survive, as do I, while so many do not … for their lives have been at a remove from the stuff of life and an appreciation of nature which allows us to percieve it as living and breathing in ways which are opaque to many who’ve not had the privilege of so many journeys around old Sol.
You have much to teach and to share, and the heart, mind, and soul to do so with magnificent skill and true “style” in a fashion which is now too often lost in a “pop” culture of one-up-manship and the ever-ready put-down of smug superiority which truly… is but mean and petty. You had a classical “education”, which shows.
DW
Exactly what are Republicans smoking in their right-wing bubble? Or is all that smoke in the right-wing bubble from their pants being on fire, from all the lies they keep telling American citizens?
All Reid has to do is eliminate the funding for Solyndra type companies, and he’ll have all the funds he needs for relief. Surely there must be some in the $20 billion still set to go out.
Hasn’t Obama given credit where credit is due in expressing his appreciation to Harry for teaching the Preemptive Cave, the Negotiation Cave and the I’ll Never Cave Cave. Typical.