If nothing else, the #occupywallstreet protests, happening in the heart of the world’s financial center, have forced elites to reckon with their own precarious position. The New York Times does the honors today, connecting the protests to other uprisings around the globe, and making a subtle (and also wrong) point that there’s something anti-democratic about popular protest.
Hundreds of thousands of disillusioned Indians cheer a rural activist on a hunger strike. Israel reels before the largest street demonstrations in its history. Enraged young people in Spain and Greece take over public squares across their countries.
Their complaints range from corruption to lack of affordable housing and joblessness, common grievances the world over. But from South Asia to the heartland of Europe and now even to Wall Street, these protesters share something else: wariness, even contempt, toward traditional politicians and the democratic political process they preside over.
They are taking to the streets, in part, because they have little faith in the ballot box.
“Our parents are grateful because they’re voting,” said Marta Solanas, 27, referring to older Spaniards’ decades spent under the Franco dictatorship. “We’re the first generation to say that voting is worthless.”
Whether or not you believe that voting is worthless, at least in this country, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are nominally protected in the Constitution. Protests and demonstrations are part of the history of America. They’re as much a part of one’s civic participation as heading to the ballot box on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November of even-numbered years.
We’re experiencing a global recession and an historic level of income inequality that are both signs of an elite failure. These elites should be frightened that the masses aren’t mollified by choosing between two members of their class every couple of years as elected representatives. Trust in government is at an all-time low for a pretty good reason: frustration with poor governmental performance.
Elites have been preparing for this for at least the last decade. They have Patriot Acts and terrorist watch lists you can never get off of and free speech zones and a general acceptance of police brutality on law and order grounds and gated communities and a host of other “security measures” that exist to pacify protest.
This is nothing new. We saw a decade of protest in the 1960s that ultimately generated a backlash and led to pacification. We could be on that trajectory again. However, we’ve also seen protests throughout American history, some of them wildly successful in bringing forward legitimate change. We could see that, too.




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that ny times article is wonderful!
honest discussion about capitalism, liberalism, the political left and the international struggle against the global financial elites
the real world is finally breaking through into the msm, so the political establishment won’t be far behind
i do believe the world people’s revolution is taking root in the u.s.
about fucking time and woo-hoo!
also, dday, good point that the loss of civil liberties in the u.s. will make it much harder for americans to engage in civil disobedience
as soon as they get sufficiently pissed (very soon, I predict), the plutocrats will go after the protesters and resisters
learn to duck
Is that a warning to the “protesters and resisters” or to the plutocrats? ;-)
Beg to differ. Elites are accomplishing just what they hoped to, except their mission is not quite complete. Domestic police have been completely militarized (NYC cops are well merged with CIA too) so protests will be stomped out as soon as PTB have decided the peeps have had enough fun in the streets. Or at least that’s my conclusion on most days.
But on good days, am encouraged by direct action. It’s the only thing that has any chance, however slim, of working.
I think it will be much easier to engage is civil disobedience. You’ll probably be able to do it by opening your mailbox.
Ooooo, subtle. Took me awhile to get it.
I’m sure that’s what the Czar believed in 1917.
And Louis XIV in 1789, Charles I in 1649…
The peasants are revolting does have more than one meaning.
I generally agree with you on your bad days. But, watching film of the police violence against Wall Street protesters, I was encouraged to see that the blue shirts (patrolmen) showed vastly more restraint than the white shirts (lieutenant and above).
Great diary, as always. But, I think we are facing something new. In other words: this is history we can’t repeat, cuz it hasn’t happened before.
(Not that I think history is didactic; I don’t.)
You flatter the U.S. population to think that they’d be up for the kind of battles that you cite.
The “elites” have earned their fate whatever it may be, whether it’s ridicule, censure, ostracism, prison or a blank wall and a blindfold.
Yes, I noticed that too. And it is encouraging. But PTB still have big guns in reserve if they’re needed. So far, protests are prolly viewed a minor annoyance (why does the phrase swatting at flies come to mind), so no point in risking bigger demonstrations by using excess force too soon.
Did you see how locked down Midtown Manhattan was during 04 R convention? Only thing missing to make it diff from Baghdad was tanks in the streets.
The NYT helped promote a war of aggression.
As far as I know, that’s Nuremburg Trial Territory.
The populations then only wanted peace. Civil wars are thrust upon people. especially when they are being stripped of their possessions.
I don’t have to flatter the US population. I just have to listen to the anger. 1776 and 1861 come to mind.
Note I’m not forecasting who’d win, I’m stating End of Empire can feature violence. I personally don’t see any future for the United part of United States, it is the last 19th Century Empire remaining and I don’t see any common theme that will keep it together. the US is an empire that was bound by goods and people coming for the East.
Today there are no such ties.
I live in CA. There is little that comes to CA over the mountains from the East, other than Empty Containers, Bad Politics and Policies, and Taxes.
1776 and 1861 were wars completely manufactured by PTB. Had nothing to do with what the people wanted.
The Pacification was in VietNam. The Protests led to COINTELPRO.
Pacification in VietNam and COINTELPRO against Americans was a great policy and a great victory by the warmongers back then. But the journalists and hippies and Martin Luther King Jr cranked up the Resistance to the War.
The Wars by Obama have no journalists to give us the real truth. It is all disinformation to pretend we are winning, something. The COINTELPRO 2.0 that Obama uses against American citizens is even worse. Of course, the cultural victories against the Establishment then, have been the Gold Standard for further progress. That is why the Establishment continues to suppress Peace, Justice and Freedom.
I’m not even going to ask for a link on that.
But, if the PTB totally run everything, everytime, why should the Little People even follow the news, or care, since they have no power?
Why are we even following FDL and the other than main stream media?
David, there is no subtle point being made that protests are anti-democratic. The point being made is that elections are worthless. That’s true because money-fueled campaigns result in government that serves the highest bidders.
I have made the point on this site many times now that we won’t have true government by the people until we rewrite the constitution to abolish elections and replace them with the random selection of representatives who serve single, multi-year terms.
I am more hopeful. The anti-Wall Street protests are not taking place in a vacuum. Domestically, they are associated with the ongoing U. S. Postal union resistance (where synergy was established today through a physical linkage of the two, nearby protests) as well as the forthcoming protest against the Pentagon’s war machine. New, well organized street occupations are forming in Boston and other cities (some, such as in Chicago, have temporarily failed even as new ones bubble up).
Even more significantly, Greece is about to default despite the best efforts of the German financiers, the Euro zone is threatened, and an October financial crash seems most likely. These events will dislocate the world economy, setting the stage for massive protests in Europe and around the world. The plutocrats are being thrown massively off base.
As impressive as the “Arab spring” uprisings have been, they cannot really be compared in scope to what is impending now. Those uprisings were on the periphery, what is arising now is in the center of Empire. The plutocrats are being thrown massively off base.
Arab Spring/Wall St. Fall
This event seems to be exciting to a lot of people I know across the country. I hope it is growing.
The PTB will be hearing more of it.
I’m asking a sincere question to a deeply felt question. One I have had in response to the many We Are So Fucked comments I’ve read here.
I’ll widen the question to anyone here who would step up and voice an opinion to my question.
I tend to agree with ecan. Power won’t give in that easily. The power elite are directly tied into the police, CIA, FBI, the presidency.
I suspect they’ll just let this thing play out in hopes of (or perhaps plans of) other crisis that will take away from what’s happening on wall street.
Link is Zinn.
To take one of the 2 examples, colonial founding fathers were RWMs on this side of the pond who wanted to take over from the RWMs on the other side of the pond. How did these RWMs manipulate enough of the population (about 1/3) so that they could take over? Lofty rhetoric. They promised democracy and freedom. Intoxicating concepts for people living under and struggling against monarchies.
The political system the founding fathers devised made a mockery of the lofty rhetoric. Only RWMs were “allowed” to vote, elections were indirect (electoral college, appointed senators, for example), and soon a two-party system developed creating an illusion of choice where little existed in reality.
And in the process, the ff created what was perhaps the largest proportional exile pop (1/3) in western recorded history, as loyalists had to leave.
As for my own motivations, they are my biz.
eCAHN is channeling Howard Zinn, demi.
The “history” we learned in school is not the true history.
Zinn, however, was more optimistic than eCAHN about the ability of people to change things, for the history Zinn relates is about the courage of human beings.
It is true that the Revolutionary War was more about America’s “nerchant” and elite classes than about the common person, and the CIvil War required that many immigrants were impressed into the Union cause. Both wars were primarily about economics, not about general freedom, which was VERY limited, nor about slavery, for it took another hundred years before there was even a grudging admission by the federal government that the plight of black people was not changed, very much, by the Civil War.
DW
I haven’t read Zinn. What are RWM’s?
This is not about your personal motivations.
Sincerely. It’s bigger than you and me. I mean it, e.
But, I just can’t be on the same hymnal page with every commenter here. It would take too many hours of my day, if you can understand that.
No offense meant.
I guess I’m just too stupid to be here.
Bye.
I agree with all the signs. But it takes a gigantic effort over a long period, with many sacrifices & casualties (over 58,000 U.S. dead in VN, and many millions of VNese), and 8 years of protest. And that was one of the few antiwar successes ever in the U.S. Am not sure that U.S./Greece/etc. protestors are up for that kind of effort. I’d love for them to be & am watching it carefully.
Another example: on labor front, strikes in U.S. started in 1820s, but it took a century before labor accomplished much, again with large amounts of bloodshed & failure along the way. Lincoln took troops who had fought in Gettyburg to put down a strike.
Rich White Males.
yes, viewed in a rear view mirror.
It was very different from the Governance in Regency England.
It was significantly less aristocratic. To this day, the opulence of the Aristocrats in the UK from the period is absolutely astonishing.
That is most ridiculous, demi.
I happen to know the truth of Zinn’s history because it is, in part, also my family’s history.
My great-great Grandfather, was a young father, recently arrived from Ireland, when he was essentially forced to join the Union Army … he died at Andersonville Prison.
And, you know that guy who signed his name REAL BIG on the Declaration of Independence? Well, family lore has it that he was a gold-plated son-of-a-bitch … he would have loved Goldman Sachs, old John was a vulture capitalist and an all around nasty person.
Now you know where I got some of my essential unpleasantness, and I hope, demi, that I did not offend you, as that was, truly, not my intent.
DW
…cuz it hasn’t happened before.
The only thing different these days, is the major strides in communication, and there’s a whole lot more people…! ;-)
Indeed. Another major terrist event would surely unite Americans with resolve, intestinal fortitude, and that kick-ass can-do spirit of which we are well-known. John Wayne, Gipper Style.
When the going gets tough, the tough go to the mall.
More bailouts for Megacorps – such as Union-Busting Airlines, Banks.
American Gubmint would then implement a Patriot Act Part Deux that would put the final nails in our box o’ civil rights – concurrently kicking the wrong asses again with more Ffuckin’ AY Shockin’ Yaw!
I’m once again reminded that if the people have to resort to protests to get government performance and reforms that they desire, then it’s a de facto statement that our system of government is a failure.
Occupy Wall Street didn’t force Wall Street to do anything but endure the site of some barricade fencing around their bull statue.
Not to mention antidraft riots in NYC wrt civil war.
People have always disliked wars, at least in the U.S., except perhaps at the very beginning when USG brainwashing is having it max influence. Wars are strictly a project of one select group against another, with people nothing more than cannon fodder.
Zinn is a definite must read…!
My Loyalist Ancestors were kicked outta the Hudson Valley, whom subsequently kicked out the Acadians, who… ;-)
I seem to recall reading a book (imagine that!) about New England in the 1600′s of Salem and such (Jerusalem). The author scoured property rights, deeds, inheritance, and suchlike. It was sorta amazing how many ‘witches’ (that is, unmarried/widowed women; there are no witches) lost their property rights, and more.
Yes, there’s a whole chapter in Zinn, the first part of which is all about the feudal lords in the Hudson Valley. My house was built by one such (small) faction, the Huguenots, who did intermarry with a larger faction, the Dutch, owing to common religion.
As a matter of oddball curiosity, and much to the chagrin of one of my friends, an extremely conservative Huguenot descendent, who owns an historic house built around the same time as mine, W.E.B. Dubois was prolly a relative of builder of my house, Methusalem Dubois. W.E.B. great grandfather was a Poughkeepsie Huguenot Dubois who went to Haiti and fathered W.E.B.’s grandfather with a slave. High intelligence and talents ran in the genes, obviously, and the rest is history.
Unfamiliar with the fact that lil wimmin ever had any property rights at that point of colonial history, but no expert. Love books like the one you describe that actually look at the evidence.
Everyone’s got a story of their history, recent or long past of why they can support a mean or unthoughtful comment or many such as justified.
Me too.
It’s time for me to take a break from blogging here.
All best to all.
Apologies for not remembering the author or the title. Women were mere chattel back then. Geez, the notion of the submissive wife still exists today. Amazing! Who wants to share life with someone who is submissive?
Is it still within living memory that women received the right to vote in the United States? (If so, amazing.)
demi, what’s the problem…? 8-(
You’re certainly not ‘stupid’, M’dear…! *g*
Yeah, women’s right to vote just came to the front of my brain yesterday. Been almost a century & WTF did that ever accomplish for women. Any “progress” women made was as a result of other efforts, like WWII workforce penetration (heh) and feminist movement of 1960s, and even then precious little.
On edit: And even those small accomplishments are such a threat to certain factions that rollback is HIGH on the agenda.
But, if the PTB totally run everything, everytime, why should the Little People even follow the news, or care, since they have no power?
Because I will not go quietly into the Night, M’dear…! *g*
That’s one of Zinn’s messages. The uncompleted section of the diary I am writing on Zinn. Very difficult to strike the right tone. Someone above posited that Zinn was more optimistic than I am but not sure that’s accurate. Zinn is certainly more even tempered in his language than I, but the big diff is that he wrote 688 pages and wanted (and got) a best seller, and I’m attempting to condense into 3 or 4 pages that capture the essence. His approach thus allowed for more moderate language than what I am attempting.
Furthermore, Zinn published his first edition in 1980. His final chapter at that point said that the PTB had regained control of the system during the 1970s (Ford, a strictly PTB tool, Nixon pardon, no one punished much for Nixon’s transgressions) which is certainly not an optimistic reading on the aftermath of the accomplishments of the 60s.
Youtubes of Zinn in more recent times portray a coy response to more current developments. He might even have used the phrase ‘cautiously optimistic.’ I’m attempting to look at the evidence objectively, but am hardly an objective observer. Which is why it is taking me so long to get it down into keystrokes.
Zinn does point out,, which I completely agree with, that the 99%ers resist relentlessly. And I will cite examples. Slaves are the most poignant, but that is only bc the Amerindians have not had their full say. The ONLY thing to be said for the 99%ers is that they have NEVER gone quietly into the night. What I am struggling with is what that accomplishes and how to put that into a somewhat objective perspective.
“I personally don’t see any future for the United part of United States,…”
I have been saying that post Imperial America will feature secession movements. Nobody is going to want to be ruled by Washington. The Roberts Court could become the Supreme Court of The District Of Columbia.
I just want to say thank you, CT.
And, it’s that Good Night, isn’t it?
I’ll prolly be back.
Just need a time away. Thank you, again, sweetie.
Could be voter disaffection is a direct result of the wholly owned corporate-subsidiary called the U.S. government. Money changes hands. Money changes everything.
With the outward forms of democracy intact yet easily manipulated, still, the voters get to vote. (Diebold machines willing.) The voters are angry, and probably more than ever, anti-incumbent. That’ll shake things up for the Wall Street moneybags.
But it won’t make for a coherent democracy.
Imperial America has not run out of tools, not by a long shot.
To the tune of “You Came a Long Way From St. Louis”:
You went the wrong way old King Louis,
So we must put you on the shelf,
That’s why the people are revolting
Cuz Louis, you’re pretty revolting yourself
Parody by Alan Sherman, R.i.P.
Maybe because hope springs eternal?
You will be missed, demi…! 8-(
It’s encouraging that we here have progressed to the point where we can even discuss this question. Remember how stilted it was just a few years back? Fact is, we’d have had an easier time all around if we had kept things rolling in the 70′s instead of going to sleep for several decades. Now they have tools to suppress us that were not even dreamed of then. It would have been a much fairer fight.
Despite the status quo, if not conservative, framing of the NYT article, what stood out to me was its description of the crisis of faith expressed by protestors against not just established authority and their bogus democratic structures, but also against the old left whose tired and co-opted language and perspectives have not been able to provide solutions or counter narratives for several generations now.
“The biggest crisis is a crisis of legitimacy,” Ms. Solanas said. “We don’t think they are doing anything for us.”
Indeed. The legitimacy of any ruling elite is a function of belief on the part of a critical mass of those participating in the system. Despite their traditional appeals to being descendents of the gods, there is nothing special about ruling elites. When people stop believing, the authority and efficacy of the elite evaporates. These protestors also carry with them, in their use of democratizing technology, the seeds of the end of the current instrument of authoritarian ruling elites: The TV.
And this all may now go beyond just the current elites. Part of the ineffectiveness of much of the left over the last century or so is that their solution to political crises was simply to replace one authority figure with another, which is counterproductive to democracy. They also tend to exhibit less concern for replacing discredited systems of belief, which is one of the reasons one so often finds that the new boss behaves just like the old one. However, it is often the case that ideas trump materialist concerns in raising what we commonly refer to as “class consciousness.” And such an idea seems to be there:
“The political system has abandoned its citizens,” Mr. Levi said. “We have lost a sense of responsibility for one another.”
And the last necessary ingredient? Freedom, which is “just another word for nothing left to lose”:
““The young people who took part in the riots didn’t feel they had a future to risk,” [Jones] said.”
Now, what will the reactionary backlash look like?
Crowd control weaponry and surveillance technology.
Big guns in reserve like scapegoating illegal immigrants as DDay notes the Elite have had lots of time to prepare CNN changed Lou Dobb’s “Moneyline ” an invest in the stockmarket show into “Lou Dobbs Presents” a daily hate show against illegal immigrants curiously even before the economy went bad…its like they knew ahead of time the economy would go bad.
Other big guns a Sarah led religious revolution combined with racist Tea Baggers to recreate the Nazi party. I will admit with Tea Baggers getting blamed for SS and Medicare cuts that the Baggers are less popular than Muslims so that gun is dead at least for a year or two.
Faking a terror attack, arranging a WH Coup are their next plans along with martial law and cutting off the internet they learned from Arab Spring just how effective online organizing from Lefties can be.
I expect they first plan to try an appear Moderate and then send Ringers to Lefty protests who do acts of violence and call for violence online then of course their will be a fake Lefty Terror attack and we will all go to jail. Muslims are to small a group they need an excuse to detain us and Labor leaders etc so the next big terror attack will be blamed on us maybe they will blame us and the Muslims.
I might really be impressed with that lineage, DW, if my grandfather did not come from Roumania and my lineage did not trace back to Vlad the Impaler lol. (“The bridge is washed out, you’ll have to stay the night.”)
And the governing elites cannot control the new ways people communicate, and how information is transferred. So we kinda march into battle, armed with that fig leaf.
The nearest historical analogy to the present situation appears to be the European-wide Revolutions of 1848. These were remarkably quick and universal. Granted, they were crushed within a few months. Social networking capabilities today, however, are light years ahead of what they were in those pre-telephone years. What is also different today is the absolutely tiny numbers of truly ruling class individuals (perhaps the top 0.01%, by no means the top 1%) in compared to the vastness and technological development of the overall economy. This makes for a very top-heavy and unstable social pyramid, akin to a Jenga game just before it crashes. Anyway, we shall see in the very near future.
*heh* Ever the Cynic, eh…? How about Facebook and twitter, too…? ;-)
So much substance in your comment to respond to. Let me pick just a couple of points.
1. It is often (always?) the youth at the leadership of people’s movements. One of the most discouraging factors to date has been that it has been DFHs who have been in the forefront. I find it most encouraging that younger folks are now on the front lines. We (dfhies) did our part, and then some, in our time. Pass the baton, and if not, all is lost.
2. Do not believe that the legitimacy of ruling elite is merely the belief in them. Wish that were only so. They do have ALL the power and ALL the money. Nonetheless, calling out the PTB on “no clothes” is a powerful message.
3.
Part & parcel of the alpha male evolutionary sociology. My dilemma is how to fight against such a powerful embedded force. Personally I have no problem calling shit on PTB, but observe that lefties look relentlessly, and hopelessly, for “leader” (aka alpha male) who will make everything all-OK for real peeps.
Wish I could dismiss that scenario, Things. Really I do.
It seems that liberal democracy as we have known it has run its course, and with it capitalism. This marks the end of the 20th century.
The kids protesting down on Wall Street are the penultimate postmodernists because they don’t believe in anything. I don’t mean they are nihilists, but they go on and on that they don’t believe in isms. It’s a distinctly ahistorical movement. I don’t know if that is good or bad. I personally believe it is bad because you need some kind of referent to change society. Isms are important because they describe the world we live in. I have mixed feelings I guess.
I don’t think I’m a cynic. I have a huge and indomitable idealistic streak in me. Always have. But, I’m a realist, too, and I’ve done some research on what the PTB can do now with crowd control weaponry, and how they can surveill you right thru buildings, etc. And communication is wonderful, but they can tap everything you say in all those wonderful new mediums. If it came to an all-out fight, we would not have a chance. Don’t kid yourself about that. Nobody here should.
Good points. I am only vaguely familiar with the 1848 revolutions. To the extent I know anything about them, they were formative, though not dispositive in future developments.
One of the most significant accomplishments of those revolutions was nationalist music of the most inspiring kinds, at least to my taste. Wish current revolts could inspire such cultural movements.
They might have an inkling that they’re gonna get the short end of the stick.
Note that the OccupyWallStreet protests were only noticed when NYPD got stupid…! Lawrence O’Donnell did a marvelous job in reporting the wanton brutality of one particular Cop, tonite…! I thought he was gonna read the Cop’s Badge # even, on air…! ;-)
Your comment and what eCAHNomics said @4 is the interesting question: What will throw trump, bullets or bodies? Who wants it more?
One of the blind spots of cops, soldiers and many of the ruling elites that often direct them is that they typically imagine that winning is the result of who is best at dealing out violence. The narrowness of this perspective fails to take into account that the outcome is just as dependent on who is willing to suffer the most violence.
I, for one, would have no problem being led by an alpha female. But I fear she would act like an alpha male, despite her different genitalia. It seems to me that power generates its own dynamic, regardless of sexual identity.
Oh, they know something is wrong but the sense I get is that are ill-equipped to critically evaluate the wider picture. They hate the bankers, but don’t realize that the bankers are a symptom of a huge elite superstructure waging class warfare on all of us. In fact, they don’t want it to be us against them–which is completely wrong! There has to be a fight–some friction–or nothing will change.
The governing elites are sure trying though, aren’t they. :) Nothing bugs those folks more than not being able to exercise control. Well, that is partly their function.
Aloha!
Ya know, this #OWS is interesting in watching out how we’re going to be treated. It is an object lesson. (Hellooooooo Pfc. Bradley Manning.) Here it comes.
I want no role of alpha anything. Gah.
I question the survivability of alpha male evolution. Seems on first principles, to be self-destructive, not the reverse.
When I challenged my author on the book salon I did on this subject, he seemed confused and conciliatory in the sense that survivabilty of alpha male model seems questionable. Ludwig (author) seemed to hold out “hope” (heh) that alternative model, namely with more “female” values, might come into more prominence.
*heh* All in all, Matriarchies have had a better track record…! ;-)
Us oldies need to lend them the perspective acquired over a lifetime. That is the best contribution we can make. And we need to do it with selflessness and integrity.
Doubt that but willing to withhold judgement as I know so little about matriarchies.
I “hope” (heh) that real people could have control over their real lives. I wrote about it in all naivite in 1999, when PTB in my Wall St firm req us macro folks to opine about 21C.
I think you are on the right track to think that the model itself needs to change, power needs to be better distributed. Of course, that goes against the most basic mammalian patterns. I think we, and your co-author, could have quite a debate about whether powerful women do or would behave very differently than powerful men. Power creates its own reality when it is concentrated.
Too late for response.
Night all.
Night, eCAHN. Didn’t mean to suggest that I have the energy for that debate tonight. Sweet dreams.
Personally I have had enough of patriarchal/dominator culture, It doesn’t work. A Bunch of swinnging dicks walking around like their the biggest
dickin town. Matriarchal cultures seem to function much better, in the things I have read of ancient culture.The pope wears a vagina on his head ha ha.
Bring back the Goddess
A female vagina is only 5 or 6 inches deep. I love them all, no disrespect intended. But my fellow man disgusts me truly sometimes, they are too fucking dumb to get the message. As lao Zhu said; softness conquers hardness like water carves a rock
Truth and punski’s
B
1. Ha! Well, one of the special things about being young is that youthful sense of immortality that can sure help in the bravery department. Also, because of inexperience the world tends to look simpler and one’s ideas seem so much more clear and correct. Throw in some “nothing left to lose” disenfranchisement with their future career prospects and you’ve got many of the necessary ingredients for productive change.
2. Quite true. Reducing the legitimacy of the elites to faith is over simplified. However, it may be that their power and money is over valued. God may be able to send me to hell, but that don’t confront me. ☺
3. “Part & parcel of the alpha male evolutionary sociology.” Bang! And what makes fighting against it and realizing other possibilities even more difficult is its pervasive dominance in an industrialized, globalized socioeconomic culture that tends to impose the same applications to all environments—the whole McWorld bit. And speaking of failures of the left, what the fuck ever happened to Feminism? I mean the variety that insisted on the existential realization of women as political actors. Leaderless, organic sensibilities and the “wisdom-of-the-crowd” technology of many of the protestors may be the female counterpoint to the traditional alpha male model. I suspect the answer may be lying there somewhere in their actions and ideas . . . ?
It seems we could all agree on only one solution: A Philosopher Queen. I nominate Ru Paul.
Screw that. They can learn to swim…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnk78TTj8to
Well, no. History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes…
(Point taken. As I wrote that, I was thinking about love affairs, actually. Do you ever learn anything from an affair? I didn’t. But I’m dumb as a stump. Anyhow, they’re all so different, aren’t they? I never figured it out. But spread the fabulous anyhow.)
People who are smart about wordly things can be very dumb about emotional things. Myself included. Night, y’all.
“What I am struggling with is what that accomplishes and how to put that into a somewhat objective perspective.”
Maybe subjectivity is the way to go? What pops into my head here is the response from Pete Seeger when asked whether he thought he had changed the world. He said (paraphrased slightly), “I’m not sure if I can change the world. But I want to make sure the world doesn’t change me.” You may get a spark of something from the collection of Ulrike Meinhof’s articles called, “Everybody Talks about the Weather . . . We Don’t.” It contains a great introductory essay by Karin Bauer, too. Lastly, the preface to the 1946 (3rd?) edition of Reich’s “The Mass Psychology of Fascism” where he talks about the minority loneliness of revolution–if I remember right–might have some clues. Perhaps the protestors on Wall Street only end up accomplishing something for themselves? Would that make their efforts a failure?
It is not just rear view. The counterpoint to the lofty words and ideas of the American Revolution came only ten years later with Shay’s Rebellion.
The “no leaders” aspect of the demonstrations protects the activists to a certain extent from having the loss of leaders suck the life out the movement. In that respect, it’s quite clever.
No MLK to gun down. No Howard Dean to make “scream”
I don’t know if it can overcome the obvious problems of attempting to rule by committee. We’ll see.
Best article so far on Occupy
http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/this-is-just-practice-the-story-of-the-wall-street-occupation?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=socmed&utm_content=SchneiderN_WhatsOccupyWallStreetAbout&utm_campaign=110926_PeoplePower
Very astute observation, and one that nobody else has pointed out previously.
I suspect that the Occupy Wall Street protests have the potential to spark off something very, very dangerous in this country…
Yes, realitychecker, could not agree more. The references to Howard Zinn point to that, because he too was part of the problem during WWII and he always knew how easy it was to become what you most abhor. Takes a big man to bring that up, and some never are able to do it. Today it is the dronemeisters who occupy his shoes, and when one of them finally rebels against his horrid task, we will have our next Howard Zinn.
As to the police force, they are not the problem. They are of us, need jobs but have consciences and values. Even the military are not the people’s enemy. It is the contractors, the private security forces, which have been deliberately fostered by the elites since our wars began, who pose the greatest threat because they have already sold out to the status quo imagined by the rulers. They are growing in numbers but have never been accepted by the public at large, and as happened in Libya where those with a black skin were supposed to be mercenaries with dire consequences to them, so too with our contractor mercenaries.
The huge energetic thrusting tsunami of youth we saw in the 2008 election has been coastal and seeking a way to penetrate the land. It begins fittingly in New York as did our own original central governing attempt, as did the United Nations. And they are not rallying under one leader but do have a General Assembly, which bespeaks intelligent and idealistic core leadership. Their “demands” are simple: to restore the earth, to restore the social contract; to be peaceful accomplishing these things.
This is not a protest movement like the ones we have had before, and the public is now primed to be sympathetic to the movement as it begins. We no longer trust our political leaders and we no longer believe their slogans, so it does not matter that they literally control absolutely the megaphones. In that park, the people used their own voices to transmit the words of a speaker back to those who could not hear. Now that is power. That is the civil rights movement writ large.
My post was in response to realitychecker at #75:
“Us oldies need to lend them perspective acquired over a lifetime.”
Agree with everything you said, juliania, as usual. ;-) The mercenary forces, Blackwater types, are most likely to be willing to turn their guns on the people. That is why they are being nurtured so carefully.
Thanks for the link to the NYT’s article -
While misguided in some ways the NYT’s article does point out one thing – folks are progressively coming to the understanding that the political system we have is just a sham. It does not/can not address the problems we face and has to be replaced (hence that’s why the NYT suggests that the movement is undemocratic). No one seems to know what to do next but folks are starting to understand that the puppets on the stage are not nearly as important as the folks pulling the strings behind the curtain.
Here’s a link to something that goes with the whole mess, not totally sure how just yet but its a factoid not to be missed – go here and listen to the podcast at the end:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/09/interview-of-tom-ferguson-on-america-for-sale.html
Just re-read my comment and don’t want to leave the wrong impression -
What I should have said in the ()’s was: (hence the NYT suggestion that the movement was undemocratic).
I believe the movement they refer to is the soul of democracy but for the establishment, which the NYT ultimately represents, it’s gotta be scary and even worse – uncontrollable so it needs to be demeaned.
But that assumes that the military would continue to fight on the PTB’s side. Didn’t happen in Russia; didn’t happen in Egypt, and I’m sure there are many more examples of that throughout history.
The soldiers, too, will take strike action
We’ll shoot the generals on “our own” side
- excerpt from “The Internationale”
I would agree with your point, were it not for the fact that the mercenary armies, Blackwater, etc., have been so carefully nurtured along by the PTB. Many of those are third-worlders. They will not share the reluctance to fire on US ciitizens that you are relying on. I believe that is the plan in the event it comes to a fight. Also, the Christian Dominionists who have come to be such a major factor in our own armed forces do not seem to feel connected to the population.