Democrats have tweaked the pay-for on the American Jobs Act, making it a straight surtax on millionaires, rather than the other pay-fors on itemized deductions and closing the carried interest loophole. In other words, they altered a tax on the rich and turned it into another tax on the rich with a better slogan next to it.
Here’s Harry Reid announcing the plan on the Senate floor:
Democrats have listened to the American people, and they have been very clear: it is time for millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share to help this country thrive.
Americans from every corner of the country and every walk of life agree. Democrats, Republicans and Independents agree. Asked if they support a plan that would require people making more than $1 million a year to contribute a little more to ensure this country’s economic success, the results were resounding: three-quarters of Americans said yes.
Wealthy Americans agree. Two-thirds of people making more than $1 million a year said they would gladly contribute more.
A supermajority of Republicans agrees, with two-thirds saying they supported the idea.
And even a majority – 52 percent – of members of the Tea Party agreed.
So when Democrats bring this common-sense jobs legislation to the floor, we will also ask Americans who make more than $1 million a year to contribute a little more to help this country reduce its jobs deficit.
It’s not yet clear whether the millionaire’s surtax will be merely part or all of the pay-fors for the $447 billion bill. You would need close to a 5% surtax to offset the whole bill. And since the itemized deductions cap raised the lion’s share of the money in the President’s bill, the surtax would have to be pretty high if you eliminate that (which for some reason some Democrats don’t like). What we may see is a partial offset, which would mean that the bill won’t be fully paid for. Elements like extending unemployment insurance may be characterized as “emergency” spending.
Mitch McConnell pulled a fast one yesterday by attempting to attach the jobs bill to the Chinese currency measure, generating headlines that said things like “Democrats deny vote on their own jobs package.” Since this is all political, I guess we’re going to see political game-playing. Reid countered by offering to proceed to debate immediately on the American Jobs Act yesterday, but Republicans blocked that. So both sides have their stories. “This, I think it’s safe to say, is why Congress’ approval rating is at a record high,” said Brian Beutler. Agreed.
Meanwhile, you have this strange parallel universe going on where the President keeps talking about the American Jobs Act on the road and targeting Republican obstructionism, as if the bill is a going concern. There’s a method to this dead horse strategy, where the President whips up support for something that isn’t likely to get beyond the early stages of the legislative process. That’s clearly an argument for 2012. And at least at some level, it has had an immediate impact; the House GOP is working on a bigger surface transportation bill than they originally envisioned, something more in line with the Senate’s numbers and the general call for infrastructure spending in the American Jobs Act.
However, other parts of the bill, like extending unemployment insurance or the payroll tax cut, are not seeing the same kind of movement. And that ought to raise recession fears significantly.




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Definition of INTRAMURAL (online merriam)
a : being or occurring within the limits usually of a community, organization, or institution
Sure about that?
Must be typo or incorrect phrase quote…
Readers of your columns know that the big jobs bill – if fully enacted – would reduce unemployment a whole two tenths of one percent. Oh happy day!
If the rethugs were smart, they would have enacted the whole mess, relentlessly described the paltry effect on unemployment as insignificant, and relentlessly trumpeted that failure.
Obama is unwilling to even propose progressive legislation that doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of passage!
I forget who it was who said in advance of the package, “Go big or go home.”
Go home, Obama. Maybe you can be Rahm’s chief of staff.
It’s sarcasm on both Beutler’s and Dayen’s parts. They’re both perfectly aware that Congress is not at all popular.
Talk of a “millionaire’s surtax” is just distraction and meaningless appeasement. We need to start injecting Capital Gains tax reform into the discussion, i.e. taxing capital gains at the same levels as ordinary income.
And Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
And the reason all this tough talk on Taxing the Rich is happening now but not two years ago is….??
As Mark Cuban said, “It’s a nice problem to have.”
There is NOTHING incumbent Dems can do to make up for their colossal sell-out of our once in thirty year opportunity to affect REAL, CRITICALLY NEEDED HCR. NOTHING! 2012 is OUR opportunity to defeat every Incumbent seeking reelection, every stinking, corrupt one of them (BOTH Parties)!
You got that right!
Ol’ Mark is smarter than he looks. Not a very good dancer though.
We’d be better off with 535 monkeys in the Congress, all masturbating furiously…
Oh wait, we DO!
Apparently he thinks he is. From his Wiki page:
While in school, he held a variety of jobs, including bartender, disco dancing instructor, and party promoter.
Millionaire’s surtax, my hiney.
More campaign-kabuki bullshit.
He wouldn’t go to bat for something like this when he had the clout to ram it down the GOP’s throat. Are we to believe he’s serious now, when the repubs own his “centrist” butt?
Put it this way: Is he going to fire-up the base by shreiking “obstructionists!” at the republicans, after he’s been their trained poodle for nearly three years?
I don’t think so.
You know that’s not really true. Nero played the clarinet. In fact, the violin wasn’t even invented yet.
Some say Nero actually started the great fire to boost employment………..now THAT’s an idea
You know what they say, those that can DO, Those that can’t, teach.
Ds not paying any attention to OWS. Nope. None at all.
They still think throwin’ crumbs will work, and who knows, it might. But right now, momentum still with the good guys.
Two republican parties:
One yelling “Socialist!”
The other yelling “obstructionist!”
Well-scripted corporate soap opera.
“The good guys”??????? You must have a newer program than I do. :-)
Dya think.
When I worked on Wall St. and clients would sometimes bring up how impt it is to tax cap gains at favorable rates, my A would always be: Why? Do you think the “market” (didn’t use airquotes but they got the point) knows how to efficiently allocate betw capital & labor if they are both taxed at the same rate? Wouldn’t it distort the market to tax them differentially? Usually sent the conversation somewhere else, though I am sure it left the client fuming internally.
There is a genuine issue of inflation adjusted tax rates, since stock holdings sometimes are of long duration (though not so much anymore, with turnover so furious). And adjusting appropriately for that is a complicated issue, though I doubt it’s much more complicated than all the other tax rules.
Why settle for a pony when I can have a unicorn?
Just another thing that is not going to happen and meant to put a lil more time on Obama’s clock.
lol. “why? WHY? because it’d be good for ME, that’s why, wonky woman!”
I knew that.
That’s one of the reasons I kept such a serious demeanor all the time. (Partly bc I am female and serious demeanor precluded a lot of overt gender shit.) But also bc I could pull off answers like that while keeping my opinion of them to myself. And since I was polite and was using their argument against them, could dislike me but not take issue.
My behavior has deteriorated a lot since I stopped working on Wall St.
Congress is never popular, no matter who controls it. For the simple reason that “Congress” has no name attached to it. It is a catch all for people to express their frustration with whatever is happening.
It is an impersonal thing they can vent against.
Ask them what they think of THEIR guy or gal representing them and the numbers are quite different.
You forgot the third one.
Yelling…..nothing. And letting the Dems hang themselves.
Reid takes a page from Obama and further converts government to a PR show. While everyone else looks for a job.
Going nowhere and even all Democrats won’t vote for it.
Someday, they will get around to actually working on something that might result in something.
dog and pony show. the rich get their wealth not from income but investments. tax that and I will believe you
Well the landlord rung my frontdoor bell…let it ring for a long long spell. I reached to the window and I reached to the window and peeped through the blinds and I said what is on your mind? He said money honey if you want to get a long with me.
I said no worry congress has got a new jobs program and you git to pay for it! G)
And would you like to come along to OWS
What would actually be a help is if voters turned out both parties and elected individuals from a third, a fourth, a fifth, a … party. Or, simply go “independent.”
Now I know how Kerensky felt. Its Oct. on to the Winter Palace!!
Sometimes this all reminds me of someone in a film driving a car at what appears to be a high rate of speed, but then the camera pulls back and the car is just up on blocks, engine racing with a green screen behind it.
You might be correct about that, although I’m starting to see some folks wake up and smell the coffee. But I agree that most citizens don’t really connect the dots. Yelling about how they hate “Congress” or the “govt” is easy to do, but then too many voters sally forth to vote reflexively based on past/old behaviours/habits.
If most citizens paid even half as much attention to how these miscreants are behaving in Dee Cee, the heat might be turned up higher on the pols. As it is, they pretty much rest on their laurels, collect their paychecks (funded by your & my tax dollars) & then collect their payola from various lobbyists.
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Millionaire’s surtax? Yeah right. And I’ve got a lovely golden bridge to sell you… today only! cheap! runs right between San Francisco & Marin! First customer of the day: you get a great deal!!
I have said this many times. Fuck Harry Reid.
Putting a surtax on millionaires in the American Jobs Act has the same effect as putting it in the land fill.
Pretending (lying) that you want to tax millionaires will have the effect of influencing stupid people to vote for the Democrats. Reid and all the other whores and traitors in Washington must be driven from power by any means available.
And that’s why we love you here at the Lake.
That’s where we should put Harry and Zero, on a landfill with all the other discards.
Ahh, they’re so cute when they pretend to be liberal.
Do we even want their dirty hands involved?
Think the Dem party isn’t already scheming and preparing how to subvert it.
Listening to Mike Malloy last night he was speaking passionately that OWS folks should beware the kind of subversion that has occurred to movements past and to many otherwise solid organizations like the not so few sold out unions who have abandoned representation in exchange for a place under the table.
No. He isn’t talking to us. He doesn’t care about us. He is talking to the Romney Republicans, at least the ones who aren’t millionaires themselves. He is also talking to low-information voters and Presidential-cycle-only voters, who are just starting to pay attention and are easily impressed with Fired Up Populist Guy.
If this bill had any chance of passing he would be completely against it. Just talking about it is free political points. In fact, if by some miracle the logjam does clear and it looks like it could pass, look for Democrats to move the goal posts until it can’t.
Reid needs to spend more time with his family for a variety of reasons.
When he goes, loser dems will again pick loser leadership just wait and see.
This is wrong. The D’s will bring some camera’s down to OWS and get their photos taken down there, rapping with demonstrators, showing concern, etc.
Then, take a taxi up town to attend a fund raiser.
more like sarcasm.
Some will use to practice their stagecraft certainly, but don’t count out the Dem operatives who are more than capable of destroying grassroots. I’ve seen them do it.
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask which pocket would be best to put it in.
Honestly, to me, the government has become one big trough for all to feed at. Top to bottom, big to small. What can you give me? What can you take from the other guy? What have you done for me lately?
What have I done for you? Oh, I’m too busy, or too poor, or too rich, or too busy bull shitting myself that I’m “with it.”
Everyone is lining up to get their “deal.” And, all have great excuses for it. “I’m a big guy.” “I’m a little guy.” “You need me to create jobs.” “You need me to do jobs.”
It’s an obscene race to get something, anything.
Give something? Ask the other guy. Help the other guy? Nah, I’m too busy trying to get the government to do it.
Sorry, I gave at the tax office.
Did you mean to post that somewhere else?
I read your post several times.
Are you saying the New Deal is not legitimate?
Are you saying that people should continue sacrificing while looters steal everything with government sanction?
Government does have a role to play and it clearly is not functioning in service of average Americans.
I really tried to appreciate your comments, but I think they are too loosely worded to be compelling?
Not a bad idea, the surtax. However, instead of a new one, what about adjusting the AMT?
Why not just reset the AMT to raise the floor income a bit to at least partially account for inflation since AMT was adopted? Say, two thirds of that inflation-driven premium should be taken away. But also compensate by raising the extra amount paid by the subsequent AMT eligible bracket, smaller in numbers but a lot higher in incomes.
That way some of the middle incomes will be let go and the more tycoonish folks pay more.
I don’t think that post was an attack on FDR and the new deal. It was more a reminder that money corrupts.
In a perverse way (maybe happily) there wasn’t enough of it swashing around to totally corrupt the new deal times. It’s different now, so it seems.
LOL!!
Isn’t the truth. Same with Van Jones and his crowd. In the end he’ll say vote for his pal Barry and then go collect his check. All these F*ckers in the veal pen piss me off the worst.
I am not saying the New Deal was not legitimate.
As someone else noted, it is more about the corrupting influence of money.
A good thing can take a wrong turn.
The point is basic. The government has turned into, or beginning to turn into, a trough for everyone to feed at. I don’t care what your status.
What are you going to do for me? is becoming the all consuming watch word–from top to bottom.
What am I going to do for you? Forget it pal. What am I going to do to contribute to the government? Are you crazy, it’s all about what you’re going to do for me.
Me the millionaire
Me the middle class guy
me the student
me the lower class guy
Me the business man
Me the union guy
Not you, me.
K, thanks, I really tried to understand. Makes more sense now. :)