A few things have become clear about the post-2011 Iraq operation for US military forces. First, the Iraqi leadership wants a training force to stay in the country to help Iraqi security forces, particularly the air force and border patrol.
Second, they want that training mission to be totally confined to Iraqi bases, and they are unwilling to grant any US forces in the country immunity from prosecutions for any violations of Iraqi law. This was a key, if not they key, element of the negotiations on a post-2011 presence. And the flat refusal from the Iraqi government has the US side scrambling.
U.S. officials have scrambled this past week to redraw a 2012 military training plan after Iraqi leaders announced they would not grant immunity to troops who remain past the Dec. 31 deadline for withdrawal.
Since Tuesday, when Iraqi leaders formally requested that U.S. military training continue into next year, military and diplomatic officials in Washington and Baghdad have been sketching alternative proposals that could place training in the hands of private security contractors or NATO, entities that can be legally covered some other way.
Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta stipulated Thursday that any remaining U.S. troops must have immunity. A State Department official said Saturday that while Iraq is not likely to budge on its resistance to military immunity, there are other paths to continuing the U.S. training mission in the country.
“We both have a vision that coincides on the need for military trainers,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to comment on the sensitive negotiations. “The U.S. government is working out what our vision of legal status options are that we will live with. The U.S. government has not yet presented that to the Iraqis. They may accept it. They may not.”
This may be how the Iraq War ends, over the denial of a grant of immunity. I’d say private security contractors are far more likely to fill in than NATO forces, because all NATO countries save for the US have pulled out of Iraq, and member states would likely face a huge backlash if they put their imprimatur on a training mission there. A base confinement strategy, furthermore, would make these troops sitting ducks for a Beirut-style bombing, as the Sadrist forces still reject any presence of foreign troops on Iraqi soil after December. So I could see officials with the US defense companies selling Iraq billions in military equipment and fighter jets training the Iraqis before NATO. And possibly now, before the US military, given this development.
It’s certainly possible that US negotiators can twist arms and change minds among the Iraqi leadership on the immunity issue, but I’d consider it highly unlikely. Between Abu Ghraib and Nissour Square and everything in between, another atrocity without consequences for US personnel would collapse public confidence in the government. Or maybe some arrangement is made with the training happening in Kuwait rather than Iraq. And anyway, the State Department will have a massive presence in Iraq, in a sprawling embassy with 16,000 civilian personnel – including a 5,000-man private security force protecting traditional diplomats and aid workers, several hospitals, a 46-plane air service and THEIR OWN TRAINING STAFF teaching Iraqi security forces how to use the military equipment they just bought. And this is actually scaled down from the previous plan, due to a smaller set of funding from Congress.
So maybe the question of whether the US will get out of Iraq after 2011 is misplaced. Through the State Department, there will still be a virtual fortress stocked with enough personnel for an Army division. And I’m sure there will be many segments of Iraqi society displeased with that continuing occupation, whether or not the Defense Department supplements the presence.



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If this is really about immunity and training maybe I have a solution.
Simply deploy Iraqi military trainees to the US on a rotating basis. There are plenty of military training facilities on US soil which run the gamut of military specialties. This has been done often for many foreign military personnel and continues today.
But I’m afraid this isn’t about training at all. It’s a need to maintain a flagged US presence on Iraqi soil. So it’s a political trope, and the rest of us should recognize it for what it is.
As such there should be no agreement on “immunity” or any other such proxy issue, and those US “training” troops should simply be withdrawn on time in an orderly fashion.
Apparently the US doesn’t have faith in the justice procedures in this wonderful new democracy. Perhaps its because corruption in Iraq is a raging problem.
According to the Withdrawal agreement AKA security agreement:
Iraq shall have the primary right to exercise jurisdiction over members of the United States Forces and of the civilian component for the grave premeditated felonies enumerated pursuant to paragraph 8, when such crimes are committed outside agree facilities and area and outside duty status.
Iraq shall have the primary right to exercise jurisdiction over United States contractors and United States contract employees.
All the united States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.
http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2008/11/25/17/SOFA-official.source.prod_affiliate.91.pdf
All other infractions are under US jurisdiction, according to the agreement.
Isn’t it wonderful! George Bush invested well over a trillion of our tax dollars not to mention untold human death and suffering to bring freedom to Muslims halfway around the planet, Muslims who are otherwise reviled by the same right who orchestrate Mosque burnings here at home.
And now, lo and behold, the Iraqis have taken him up on the offer. This is akin Obama chiding us that with his election the fight wasn’t over but just beginning and so to stick with him and fight, and then dressing us down when we took him up on that offer. Funny how that works.
It’s a purple finger in the eye to the oil-igarchy who expected to make Iraq our 51st state, if in occupation only. How they could expect any different response when no Iraqi family hasn’t suffered a loss since the invasion?
They want us out, and we want us out, so I guess the only people who don’t I’m guessing are oil companies and Southern Baptists looking to conduct a conversion spree. Who else might have an interest that we not pull out? Why do we hesitate?
It only goes to show: be careful for what you wish. The best laid plans of corporate interests and their armed enforcers often go awry. But we know that government does not respond to the will of its people, so expect Obama to circumvent this somehow.
Does Iraq really want US trainers there or are we putting words into their mouth?
More importantly, what is it that those trainers might do that requires legal immunity? If their mission was limited to training, they shouldn’t need anything like that. If their mission included operational activities, then maybe. But everybody says that won’t be happening.
Were I Iraq, I’d be saying “Not only do these folks NOT get immunity, but we want these other uniformed accused criminals extradited for trial”.
Boxturtle (which is part of the reason ObamaLLP won’t permit me to run Iraq)
US negotiators apparently didn’t recall that the Iraqi’s have a long history with British colonialism, which is what immunity amounts to.
If the Iraqi government does not capitulate on the immunity issue, expect another U.S. initiated regime change. It’s how the U.S. has always done things.
You mean we can’t just go around killing innocents and then branding them terrorist sympathizers?!?! HEATHENS!!!!
Good, I hope they dig their feet in somewhere. I can see it now, the DoD will go along with it, but watch the first time this becomes an issue. The bases will be locked down and whoever is accused will be very quickly flown out. There is no way we’ll let the serfs pass judgement on the occupiers.
Maa’s right; this isn’t about “training”; it’s about keeping enough U.S. troops in Iraq to prevent various factional secessionist tendencies from rearing their heads. Or, to be accurate, to HELP the Iraqi government to prevent them.
The Kurdish nation is a fact, and if we don’t keep troops adjacent to those three “provinces” it will be one in name, too. By itself, the Iraqi government doesn’t have the ability to enforce any loyalty, of the most token kind, on the Kurds.
Likewise, the Shia dominated south, with about 85% of Iraq’s oil, is always on the lookout for the chance to get its hand on the oil taps, and MORE of the revenues from them, and if there aren’t U.S. troops to prevent that, they will, increasingly, be telling Maliki to go shit in his hat.
The Sunnis are short of oil bearing turf, but if we pull most of our troops out, they might be angry enough at all that’s happened to them (courtesy of the U.S.) to also tell Maliki to stuff it. And keeping the Sunnis on board with the fig-leaf of “Greater Iraq” could easily turn out to be only marginally easier that doing it with the Kurds
Short of it: without U.S. firepower to back it up, no oil divvy is going to stick.
And then there’s the matter of Al Sadr. No one is quite sure how serious he is about attacking americans left behind after the SOFA expires.
The whole thing might blow up again, in time to bedevil Obama for 2012; which, considering that he should have used some of that prodigious capital that he came in with (and which he has so determinedly squandered)to get us the hell out of the once-and-future-clusterfuck, would have a certain terrible symmetry to it.
I don’t think we’ll be seeing Obama’s version of the “Mission Accomplished!” banner anytime soon…or, if we do, it will be every bit as idiotic and dishonest as was the original.
The Iraqis want the U.S. to follow Iraqi laws???!!! The temerity of them to think they might have a rule of law. Just what kind of democracy does the U.S. force at gunpoint on others. Geez.
‘Cat: I don’t think the U.S. can install a sockpuppet without majorly pissing off a LOT of Iraqis, even more than they are already pissed.
E.G.: Allawi would be ideal, from the point of view of making Iraq into a wholly-owned subsidiary of Big Oil, but the reaction to it would surely put us right back to square one, in terms of many, many, Iraqis taking to the streets to oppose a regime that was directly installed by the U.S.
If they haven’t been trained to commit random guiltless murder after ten years they may not be as trainable as americans.
So the US now wants to *adjust* the terms of an agreement they signed months/years ago? Nice. Assholes. Oh, wait, make that untrustworthy assholes.
And I do hope this ends the occupation.
On edit: Oh, yeah, looks like the agreement dates back years. Disgusting.
Yeah, that’s no way to lobby for the job, … but did you really want it?
What a great opportunity for another false flag “attack”
to distract from what’s happening.
You are One hundred percent correct. The U.S. has no intention of leaving Iraq. General James Jones, former U.S. Allied Troop Commander European, former National Security Advisor for President Barack Obama and retired four star Marine General stated that if we ever were to leave places like South Korea, Japan, Germany, Honduras and the other 700 plus bases we have around the world we would never be able to get back in there. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia are no different.
Already saw pictures of all the military equipment that will be left in Iraq. Newer than the cars my family and most people I know drive. We paid to get the equipment over there. We can pay to bring it home to refurbish state national guards here that were looted for the big lie. All the equipment left there will be perfect for all continued private contractors or any start-up regimes or dictators who US “Intelligence” will later say have WMDs. More job security for the military and warmonger-defense industry. Set me up, Joe. How many tanks to build a school in America? How many Jeeps to pay for a few more police in an American city?
Meanwhile, the beat goes on:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20111010/D9Q9K2B00.html