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As Marcy Wheeler says, this plot has it all – Mexican drug cartels, Iran, assassinations, attacks on the Saudi AND Israeli embassies. You name it, it’s in there.
FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a “significant terrorist act in the United States” tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today.
The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials.
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was “conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran” by a faction of the government and called it a “flagrant” violation of U.S. and international law.
“The U.S. is committed to holding Iran accountable for its actions,” Holder said. He said the White House will be meeting with federal agencies before announcing “further action” in regards to Iran.
Holder pushed the Iran issue hard in his announcement. It all seems very convenient, a kind of Legion of Doom of perceived US enemies rolled into one, attacking perceived US allies on US soil. And they throw in Buenos Aires for good measure, the site of a 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy, claimed by Hezbollah in concert with Iran.
Two Iranians who are dual citizens of Iran and the US — Manssor Arbabsiar, and Gholam Shakuri – have been charged in the case. The plot was broken up after Arbabsiar unwittingly hired a DEA informant to carry out the attack for $1.5 million. While Arbabsiar has been captured, Shakuri is still at large.
A couple other things here. One, this is yet another example of intelligence and law enforcement work disrupting a terrorist plot, assuming this all turns out to be true. Fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with disrupting this plot.
The second is that this also appears to be another example of US law enforcement agents sticking themselves into a plot and turning it from something aspirational to something more. We’ve seen this over and over again in the post-9/11 age, and I’m not sure it makes us safer to have DEA or FBI find and pump up low-lifes who had no ability to carry out attacks in the first place. Josh Marshall has more on this aspect.
I don’t know if the disruption of this plot makes America safer, but it sure does help out an argument about perceived enemies in Mexico and Iran.
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How about the Wall Street terrorists?????????????????????????????????????
Time to bomb Iran and get those poll numbers up for the sociopath – in – chief.
Is there some “seal the border with hundred foot high piles of money,” legislation on someone’s table that would be so conveniently aided by this type of story?
I’m having a “Gulf of Tonkin” moment.
Note to Iran: I wouldn’t piss off the Israelis. They got a “hair trigger”, if ya’ know what I mean.
That does seem to be a possibility. Holder was beating the war drums at his press conference, calling for Iran to be held “accountable.” What does that mean? I don’t know. But wrapping oneself in the flag and calling for unity against a foreign foe, any foreign foe, is a presidential trick centuries old.
What I DO know is that the Obama Administration is making absolutely NO effort to hold the real terrorists, those who sit in corporate boardrooms, accountable.
This is truly scary stuff. Thank goodness Obysmal and Placeholder are in charge. Without them, I’d be hiding under the bed for at least a week longer than I am already.
And then there’s OWS………… very, very scary. Fortunately someone is holding the line for Wall St.
It also conveniently takes some attention away from the ‘Fast and Furious’ debacle, at least until Holder & Co. are forced to appear under subpoena.
Well at least somebody finally woke up Rip Van Holder. He’s needed as a fast and furious distraction to OWS. Would Obama go nuclear on Iran just to provide a distraction to the problems of his banker owners? And then enhanced homeland security measures to rid the homeland of DFHs?
Marcy’ second post debunks the whole thing in REAL TIME. Go Marcy. Not only that, she AGREES with my instincts about this bogus charge, and that’s always the most impt thing. *g*
Confessed without a lawyer, etc etc etc (Torture R U.S.)
So what’s the “hidden” agenda. U.S. launching military action against Iran? Scaring voters into voting for worthless O? All of the foregoing and others we haven’t thought of yet?
It seems most here (myself included) smell a rat. The moment I heard this, my first thought was here we go. This is the pretext to bomb Iran, exactly what the zionist here and in Israel demand!
Oh, certainly. That’s surely part of the agenda. Silly me for not typing it.
The biggest threat we face from Iran is stale pistachio nuts. (Admittedly, that would be a bummer.)
It is too bad that we got rid of the color coded scheme then this would make a third GWB term seem all the more realistic. I have been watching the regime propaganda news channel CNN full tilt with the coverage and even though this thing was supposedly going on since the spring you would think it just happened the way the media has been reporting it. A former CIA agent stated on CNN that he didn’t believe that Iran would be stupid enough to attempt an attack on US soil risking war with multiple countries. He also thinks this story is a little too convenient.
Stupid question, but what the hell would Iran get/benefit from assassinating the Saudi ambassador? It really doesn’t make an ounce of sense.
Bingo.
Another bingo!
It’s the only cover story the principals could agree on.
I wonder how many meetings they had to have to dream this one up. Woodward’s (LOL) book on O makes him seem so incompetent and indecisive, I’ll bet they’ve been planning this for 5-6 years bef coming to a decision.
The entirely thing sounds frankly ludicrous to me. Hardline Shiite fundamentalists from the Iranian military and intelligence agencies don’t conspire with anarchist criminal cartels in Mexico to attack within the US, using a handful of local weirdos in the US.
Bombing the Israeli and Saudi embassies within the US would create a full pretext for invasion or major military attack against Iran, and without any doubt the Iranians know this better than any of us.
Iran has trained and armed Hez’b'allah to the point where they managed to survive the last invasion of Southern Lebanon by the Israeli military. Iran has apparently trained Shia fighters in Iraq to cook the US military occupation force. Such a capacity does not seek to engage with (at best) Catholicized Mexican drug cartels to attempt some sort of apocalyptic attack on the US capitol.
This story has got to be inflated, totally inflated.
It would be really nice to see Holder present damning proof of any Iranian connection. After all, if Iran wants to bomb Israelis and Saudis, there are a lot more Israelis and Saudis in the Middle East than there are in the US, and they are a lot easier to reach.
So, reading between the lines, the raids on California’s medical marijuana dispensaries are intended to deny funding to Mexican drug cartels who might use that money to help Iranian terrorists.
I knew there was a good reason in there somewhere.
Having a hard time connecting to lefty websites today, esp FDL. And if it finally come up after a refresh, it’s malformatted. (Got back on here after rebooting.)
I’m sure it’s just a coinky dink.
Oh boy! More warz!
Major Distraction.
hmmm… I wonder how the investigation into the Dubai assassination of Mahbou Mahbou is coming along?
One wonders why anyone believes anything the USG says anymore. The stand-ins for “leaders” of the most powerful power that evah powered the earth are so transparently bogus.
But make sure you VOTE for O bc he is surely better than the alternative. /s
On edit: And also make sure you welcome the DLC, DCCC, DSCC to the Occupy movement. They will be so helpful in contributing corp money to the project.
Trying their damndest to thwart OWS.
Maybe this guy will confess to hiding WMDs in Iran now.
Maybe he will even confess to going to Niger to buy yellow cake too.
Good one.
Gotta tie in aluminum toobz, mobile poison drug labs.
Too too convenient.
Bet this plot is as real as that “credible evidence” that we were going to be attacked on Veterans day or whenever that last phony scare was. Turned out someone in the State Dept. made that one up.
“I don’t know if the disruption of this plot makes America safer, but it sure does help out an argument about perceived enemies in Mexico and Iran.”
It also draws attention away from Holder, who just happens to be under sqrutiny about his lying about his knowledge of allowing guns, machine guns, to be smuggled into Mexico. Over 1000 are unaccounted for, one having shown up at the torture death of an American ATFE agent.
Eat shit and die, Holder.
Holder is a day late and a dollar short. It’s time to haul him up for his role in Fast and Furious, and have him on the same bill as the Iranians.
Obama will grant all them of them pardon and Bob’s Yer Uncle.
Michelle will have carte blanche to go shopping with Beyonce, Jay Z and Kanye. I just forgot the Thanksgiving turkey, he gets a pardon too.
Great tie-in.
After all, anyone who lawyers for Chiquita bananas can’t be all bad.
(Oh STFU, eCAHN, even the guilty deserve the best defense money can buy.)
Hillary should be happy to regurgitate Condi’s (Ya don’t want da) Smoking Gun (2 bee a) Mushroom Cloud analogy.
That was a Bushie greatest hit.
This accusation against the Iranians has multiple purposes. First is to ramp up the pressure diplomatically, discourage Latin American countries from working with the Iranians, remember the Iranians were planning to bring some of their naval vessels into the caribbean. Finally, set the Iranians up for future military action by Israel and or the U.S.
Humphhhh. I had at least a dozen uncles and none of them were named Bob.
Am I deprived or depraved. Prolly both.
Yeah. Don’t believe it for a minute.
Iran has been trading with Venezuela. Sean Penn thru Chavez got those American hikers out of Iranian Jail.
Its all Sean Penn’s Fault.
Published on Monday, October 3, 2011 by Consortiumnews
Israel’s Window to Bomb Iran
Israeli leaders continue to pound the drum about taking out Iran’s nuclear program – and some hardliners may want to strike soon, fearing the window of opportunity will close if President Barack Obama wins reelection and is less susceptible to political pressures, as ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern observes.
by Ray McGovern
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/03-8
She agrees and that makes her brilliant!
I’ll go check it out.
Including the Argentina Embassy bombing make it incredulous. There was no evidence for blaming that on Iran at all. Not only Argentina, but later the the brits (IIRC) that refused to arrest and transfer the iranian ambassador due to complete lack of evidence. There was more evidence as a setup.
Using Iranian or Iranian American doesn’t fit the MO. Only proxies are used by Al Quds, I heard on CNN so it must be true.
Whatcher bet that Chavez invites Akmydinnerjacket over for a state dinner sometime soon.
Not so sure about Rousseff.
After reading all responses. Is it just me? Is fear becoming the natural response to anything in the US?
This is a desparate attempt to save several asses (Obama, Holder, etc), none of which happen to be in Our interest. In fact they are disastrous, once again for U.S.
Will we be neo-conned again?
See why 9/11 Truth is So Important?
Yeah, immediately thought of the 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy bombing in Iran. About 7-8 years later I read/heard a convincing argument that there was NO evidence of Iranian/Hezbollah involvement, though investigative reporter did not speculate as to who was really behind it. Too long ago to find any links, but it isn’t as though Israel/Jews don’t have a lot of enemies in Argentina.
More than that.
Occupy Wall street and the rest of the US .. why are there no bankers in jail?
DOJ’s attempted Bank Settlements without investigation.
Fast And Furious and dead agents.
State Dept corruption with Keystone XL pipeline.
Re-election chances dwindling.
DId I miss anything.. besides almost 25% real unemployment?
Clinton tried a diversion during Whitewater, or was it the Monika Scandal. Lets hope they don’t choose another war.
I no longer believe anything our government says. 100% certain this is bullshit designed to get us into another war and/or make Barack W Obama look like a hero so the 1%ers can keep the charade going.
echanomics, no offense but agreeing with your gut is not a big deal. We have reached the point where the stories they put out are beyond absurd. they do not even try to make it sound plausible. I think Hillary when commenting on this said something like “this story is stranger than fiction’ someone on another blog said she meant to say ‘strange fiction”
The point is be it this or so many other BS stuff they put out they no longer even bother to try and make it sound real. they no longer care. they will do as they please and telling lies that sound real and the masses will get behind no longer matter. they will do as the want. In fact, I think they had a real good laugh putting this shit out, right up there with the OBL body dump at sea, the fake pix of them watching the raid live, and silent videos of OBL looking 20 years younger than that old man shown on TV taping himself 9side shot only) watching TV
one last thing it is not just msm that is a tool of govt so is all entertainment. be it the obvious reality TV, to shows where they can now predict future crimes, a program that HS is now testing, to shows where the enemy is a marine turned terrorist, HS now running videos where suspicious people are returning vets, to all teh cop shows etc, they are programming us every which way
yup. Did you see Jeffery Sachs down at the park in front of the cameras? He said all we had to do is to identify some candidates and we can elect them with out money! just use the twitter machine and blogs! Thats the first step to take over the house and senate and then we can elect a president like that later.
I don’t know if he’s this really ignorant about elections or he thinks the 99% are, but Howard dean took all his internet money and spent it on MSM ads. It wasn’t enough to match the Dem Party front loading with cash for Kerry, and the swift boating by his campaign manager Robert Gibbs. The internet candidate successes are rare.
Oh look, it’s a twofer!
It’s an after the fact justification of Fast and Furious,
and
A before the fact justification of bomb bomb bomb Iran!
How completely clever (NOT!) of them to conflate the two in such a convoluted way.
Probably. Obama takes 3 hours just to put on a pair of socks.
Was kidding about agreeing with my gut.
WRT OBL dropped at sea, the best I saw was an email sent me by a friend, so no link. It was a thong sandal floating on water. The caption was: Now we have the proof. Took me awhile before I got it.
Just read the AP story on this, and rolling my eyes at the following quote:
“We will not let other countries use our soil as their battleground,” Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, said at a press conference in Washington with Holder and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
Oh, the irony…
I would take that a step further — it will be holder’s justification for it.
I don’t doubt it for a moment. Thought process: Gee, I wonder which pair of black sox I should put on today.
Take off from a wnyc (NYC NPR outlet; has Brian Lehrer & Leonard Lopate, better than average interviewers) fundraiser about 4-5 years ago. Theme was: You’re a New Yorker if…
Punchline was: If you give to wnyc.
But one of the intervening commercials was: You stand in front of your closet trying to decide which black outfit to wear.
brilliant
Nice to see Mr. Sachs refer to Jefferson’s and Madison’s fear of concentration of corporate power on the Ratigan show. Great discussion below!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyWrjvN3hvA
Your theory has some internal disagreements.
If it wasn’t OBL in the videos, then why did they take a real chopper in?
Why did they say that they dumped the body? 1) It wasn’t him, or 2.) he’s not dead.
They’ve got real live salafite Bin Ladenites in Northern Lebanon, but those are our allies, so our gov. doesn’t really care. They are the loyalest of enemies.
In the end it really doesn’t matter, because the reason for doing it was to give Obama a political bump.
It’s hard to see what Iran would hope to gain from this now busted plot that would outweigh their risks. Something doesn’t fit here …
“The US Justice Department has accused Iran of involvement in a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to Washington, Adel Al-Jubeir, with help from a suspected member of a Mexican drug cartel.” presstvir
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/204071.html
Wasn’t the DOJ directing the shipment of guns to a Mexican Drug Cartel?
Jeffrey Sachs is a horses ass. Single-handedly wrecked Russia. Shit on him.
Did you mean Ron Suskind?
Christine Romer and Larry Summers probably rolled their eyes when they heard the news.
Oh yes, but you have the problem of thinking that history didn’t begin yesterday. Shame on you. /s
He killed Vince Foster. AND stole Britney’s panties.
Britney’s panties were stolen? And I was completely unaware.
“FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a “significant terrorist act in the United States” tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today.”
What a steaming heap of shit.
This obvious lie means the evil bastards (U.S. Gov. and it’s owners) are going to attack the Persians. Or if we are lucky they just want to scare everybody. We really need to get rid of the evil bastards before they kill us all.
Has Iran attacked anyone in like 2000 years?
Ive always said that I actually feel for Iran. Just look at a map and see who all surrounds them. Id want a fucking nuke too!
Couldn’t they have thrown in Qaddafi, an armed atheist terror group, quakers, code pink, communists, socialists, the labor unions, the primary obama campaign, van jones and the ghost of franklin delano roosevelt?
They might as well hit every nail for their completely fictitious story.
Oh pshaw. Plenty of time bef they do that. They have to loot everything first and that takes A LOT OF TIME.
I meant Eric Holder – that he will say the operation had been a success, since, according to the ‘story’, the Mexican cartel/arms recipients gave up the Iranian would be assassin/s.
Something like cheney’s defense of torture whenever they ‘caught’ or killed a terrrst.
In other words, totally bogus – all of it.
I started reading Robin Wright’s book about the Iranian revolution (The Last Great Revolution, pub 2000). Had to give it up in the middle. LOTS of hopey-changey stuff, and look what the Iranian people got. Too sad & close for comfort to continue reading.
I feel constrained to point out that NOBODY has ever seen Van Jones and the ghost of Franklin Delano Roosevelt in the same place at the same time. I’m just sayin’ . . .
Focus, darling, focus.
You are absolutely right. I get so distracted by irrelvancies like warz, income distribution, economic depression. I’m so ashamed.
I don’t know if this has already been asked, but what exactly what Iran have to gain by assassinating the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. in Washington?
This seems like another Kirov murder/Reichstag fire/9-11 kinda thing. I think our government is making this shit up to regain control of the news cycle.
Breaking news: after “enhanced interrogation,” he’s also confessed to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby.
Darrell Issa isn’t going to buy it. Right now we should all be grateful for the car thief.
Holder and Obama will try then in their secret start chamber, so well never know about the evidence. It’s fantastic that the mexicans helped solve anything related to the drug cartel. /s
Dya think.
I’ll say what everyones thinking
The masterminds of the plot aren’t iranians…nonono.
It’s all a plot financed by the puppetmaster george so….no NOT george soros!
It was a plot hatched by the people who pull the puppetmasters strings! The hippies at occupy wall st. In between “doing the dope” and being completely penniless bums who are secretly trust fund hipsters, they finance global terror plots by using Soros to puppetmaster elections.
This falls into place so easily for me that it’s like I just made all of it up!
Of course occupy wall sts behind this! See! I’ve got a chalkboard!
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
Oh and also, bullshit.
Double bingo.
Well, you’d have to say, if someone were seeking the help of the Mexican drug cartels, recent events might argue asking a DEA agent makes sense, as the government has been more than generous in providing weapons to the cartels themselves… hundred if not thousands of weapons, cf. “Fast and Furious” scandal.
lol
I agree, Issa won’t buy it, but that won’t stop them (O’holder) from trying to say that some good came out of Operation F&F, because, as you said, the drug cartel was instrumental in foiling this plot.
/snark, too, with an eye roll and some gagging from the stench of BS.
What does the US have to gain by pretending that they are protecting the Saudis from Iran?
Today the US govt stopped a terrorist attack.
the suspect was of iranian, pakistan, lebanon, palestinian origin, although there is evidence to suggest he could have also been cuban, venezuelan and other origins as yet underternined. he was working with mexican drug cartel, domestic terrorist at FDL and others still to be investigated. His original target egyptian ambassador changed to SA after the fall of murbarak, and had we not caught him now, and had SA govt collapsed no saying who his next target would have been.
In the meantime we have instructed TSA to remove all passengers clothes when flying and chain them to their seat. we will roll out TSA checkpoints at every US public place, we will not stop fighting these enemies and we will do everything we can to keep americans safe. Long live america, and liberty
It’s total bullshit. I caught a couple of minutes of the absolutely cartoonish “coverage” on the TV bar after work today.
“The plot was broken up after Arbabsiar unwittingly hired a DEA informant to carry out the attack for $1.5 million.”
Right. It’s all a Batman movie. The real issue is, why the hell isn’t everyone gut laughing?
My wingnut son (really really fell far from the tree; ducking under puter stand while commenters throw well deserved brick bats) sez that as soon as Czalderon gets ahold of the drug cartels, Mexico will turn into heaven on earth.
October 11, 2011 6:55 AM
“Gunwalking” subpoena for AG Holder imminent
By Sharyl Attkisson
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/11/earlyshow/main20118456.shtml?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea
Atkisson has been on this huge scandal
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7384312n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea
what does the saudis have to gain by pretending the US is protecting them from iran? the webs they wieve
Write a book, pulhese. Will be a best seller. Well, maybe not. 1%ers will go outta their way to trash it.
Applaud your use of the subjunctive.
What Sharkbabe said!………….. with gusto (a white wine sauce with fennel and arugula).
sad but true, if they launch another false flag with casualties, ows is finished. It will take over everything and they will win the drum beat for war. and that is what they will do. when all else fails they take us to war
Give the guy a break! That was 20 years ago, and he’s learned something in the interim, unlike Larry Summers.
Sachs has learned nothing. Leaps from one cause to another just in advance of the reality peeps. Lotsa corp execs with same record. Advance themselves too fast for most peeps to keep track.
The saudis told us that after the Palestinian veto at the UN they wouldn’t be able to maintain such a close relationship.
We are proving what great friends we are.
I’ve thought for years that the subjunctive and the adverb have been declining as such in common usage. Context has pretty much filled in the resulting gap, and the subtle impacts on meaning are ignored nowadays.
Today’s online started around 4p ET. I was outside all day (wunnerful, just ask!), came inside to see wuzzup. Found email from friend about Iran, so started around my fave websites bef responding. Has been a deja vue ever since.
Some might argue that you & I might be old foggies. LOL.
I’m sure something will pop up on NarcoNews..
heh…
Lawyers for Alleged Narco-Boss Zambada Niebla Claim Prosecutors Suppressing Evidence By Invoking National Security
“The criminal case against accused Mexican narco-trafficker Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla now appears to be threatening to unravel the U.S. government’s ugly national-security interests in the drug war.”
Oh, boy. The DEA uncovered a plot…hum…just on the eve of the newly revived war on drugs targeting CA & CO MMJ and the unfolding of Operation Fast and Furious scandle? No wonder no one with any brains left believes anything coming from our own government. I think the operative word here, as Mr. Hedges says, is “jingoism”. Rah-rah.
Bullshit. I got the Lindbergh baby right here.
Don’t bother me with that nonsense while I’m taking a crap on a cop car.
I’m sure he just selected the DEA agent at random off the street. Luck of the draw, Otto.
The blogger has wisely pinpointed the ESSENCE of this nonsense:
“It all seems very convenient, a kind of Legion of Doom of perceived US enemies rolled into one, attacking perceived US allies on US soil. And they throw in Buenos Aires for good measure…this also appears to be another example of US law enforcement agents sticking themselves into a plot and turning it from something aspirational to something more. We’ve seen this over and over again in the post-9/11 age, and I’m not sure it makes us safer to have DEA or FBI find and pump up low-lifes who had no ability to carry out attacks in the first place.”
In my opinion this appears to be a BULLSHIT PLOT, most likely orchestrated by Israelis. It seems to have finger prints of Israel all over. They want to destroy the last muslim country capable of some resistance in their goal of stealing Palestine. Israel is getting desperate for diversion because Palestinians, rightfully, want to be recognized and are seeking a vote in the United Nations, Other than the US and a few other countries it managed to coerced, most of the world recognizes that Palestinians are right and Israel is wrong. The best way to prevent Palestinian statehood (and embarrassment to the US for supporting Israel by exercising veto) is to create diversion and disrupt UN vote. Blaming and attaching Iran will be Israel’s ultimate dream come true and, as always, Israel will like to get its dirty work done by puppets in the US Government. Does anyone wonder, how come this same FBI and the justice department could not find a single criminal among American bankers even four years after they destroyed the world economy, made millions of people homeless and brought never ending suffering to hundreds of millions of people?
In the previous comment the BLOGGER refers to David Dayen, FDL (Iran/Mexican Drug Cartel Terror Plot Disrupted)
If. If U.S. attempts to escalate a war with Iran, then the sapplings of these ‘Occupy’ movements in every major city could get the fertilizer needed for a much larger protest movement.
This is wishful thinking. But seeing how long these ‘Occupy’ protests have gone on, wouldn’t the attempted war with Iran really bring some fresh energy to these protests?
And even better, if Iran gets some fresh blood in it’s protests. Green Screamers in Tehran linking with Occupiers in New York City.
News Headline if the media was honest:
Two Iranians indicted by U.S. Justice Department for allegedly planning to do what the President Obama routinely orders the U.S. Military to do: carry out assassinations.
Ummn, this is irony, right?
Too bad he doesn’t feel that way about Bush, Cheney and the other architects of America’s torture policy.
Can’t we just be progressive and leave baseless remarks about the Jews out of this?
Not just stale pistachio nuts. I think they can harbor aflatoxin and stuff like that.
I hear that Doctor Doom, Lex Luthor, and Boris Badenov are also in on the plot. Now I’m really scared.
Are all Jews zionist?
Something crucial is missing: fire and smoke. Nothing actually happened. Is it a false false flag? Were the AG et al. hoist on their own petard for claiming that the alleged culprits were hoist on theirs? It’s not like when the Maine was blowed up in that other Gilded Age. Hmm. It is like it. Fake history repeats like heartburn.
go read jeff kayes link, bastards are trying to distract us. Same criminality we saw with the Clintons.
No. Are all Zionists (and if you had Christian Zionists in mind as well, this would be a good place to say so) reactionary warmongers?
Yes, zionist are reactionary warmongers. That’s a distinction I make.
And yes, there some christian zionist who are just as warlike and as nutty!
It’s a poorly-informed distinction. I’m a Zionist, and I’m not a warmonger. Being a Zionist simply means you believe that Israel should be a Jewish homeland. Many of us Jews believe that without signing onto a right-wing agenda.
You drew your comments with an excessively broad brush, and it raised the hackles in me which said that when some people complain about Zionists, it’s not really Zionists they’re complaining about. It’s the Jews. This may apply to you; it may not. But when you make comments like that, they’re going to draw scrutiny.
Only one way I can believe this Iranian/Mexican drug cartel plot to be true. Some Iranians hatched it to be found out and reported to embarass the American administration when they reported thwarting it because only 30% of Americans and no one else in the world would believe there was such a plot.
Jeebus!
Ha ha! Although I’m not sure they are competent enough to even have a list. Probably bumped into someone on the way to the breakroom.
Yes and even more curious is shortly after former Senator Bob Graham, co-chair of the Congressional inquiry into 9/11 called for a new investigation when details of Saudi involvement and funding in 9/11 were revealed in both Pensacola and San Diego. Now the Saudis are full of voting “reform” and are “victims” of evil Iranian plots.
The Saudi operative in San Diego was funded directly by $130,000 from the Saudi ambassador, which went to pay for apartments and flight school. Could this be the same ambassador? Fast & Furious isn’t what is being painted over but a much deeper issue. History repeats itself, we are attacked by Saudis and blame another country. Same as it ever was.
These FBI terror plots are getting more imaginative all the time.
Interesting, over at Emptywheel someone commented that Richard Engel twittered, ‘why do it in US, where risk and security are high?’ Good question. Bet Lindsey Graham is happy now. Smelly rats and old smelly fish all around. Need to have all ambassadors from all mid east nations go home from America and never return. This would be best for our national security. Need to bring home all American troops from all mid east nations. What’s been the point? Oh, right. I mean what’s been the point for American 99%?
And like everyone else, you are entitled to your point of view.
I don’t believe in dispossessing indigenous Palestinians from the land which they live in for untold hundreds if not thousands of years. Fair is fair. I would make the same argument if the roles were reversed.
To agree with a zionist agenda which prioritizes israel at the expense of the aboriginal peoplse is flat out wrong, period. It is simply modern day colonialism. In fact I am also aware some Jews are opposed to the modern state of Israel for this reason among others.
As for your reaction to seeing zionist as representing all Jews, that’s being overly sensitive though I can understand. Being African-American, some of us feel any criticism of Obama is to varying degrees a criticism of Black people. However if we can set aside these sensitivities and look and facts then we can often ascertain the validity of the arguments and assertions.
Every day is D-Day.
Read Dayen. Read Greenwald. Why read Dayen?