What’s the weather like in NYC about now? It’s 52 and windy where I’m at, got down to about 43 last night, and there’s no way I’d sleep outside. What are the preparations for cold weather for that many people?

Hippies are scary. They have dangerous weapons, like drumsticks and guitars and are liable to attack defenseless cops and billionaires at any second.

God bless Mayor Zillionaire and his efforts to keep us all safe from the popular will.

May I please be the first to call BULLSHIT?

BULLSHIT!!!!!

Boxturtle (Thank you very much)

Probably been pointed out numerous times, but…

First they ignore you,
Then they laugh at you,
Then they fight you,
Then you win.

This all seems to be progressing nicely.

“I don’t necessarily agree with their message”

said the 1%er spider to the 99% flys .

Hippies are scary. They have dangerous weapons, like drumsticks and guitars the truth

That’s what they’re really scared of.

It’s only threats when you disagree. If the shoe was on the other foot I suspect Mayor Mickey would characterize them a little differently

Here’s one such attack. The attacker was vanquished by the valiant.

mikey have they wrapped the MAJOR investigation into tony baloney ?

Have you suspended him pending the outcome of the investigation ?

Maybe the mayor should blame the “Iranian/Mexican” drug cartel. It worked for Obama!

He will get community service- forced to clean up Liberty Plaza. I hear it’s an easy task.

If public officials are threatening Brookfield Properties, those public officials need to be named and prosecuted, if they exist. The 99% demand accountability for criminal behavior.

So, Mayor Bloomberg, who exactly is making threats?

What I find particularly amusing is how the PTB are crapping their pants trying to figure out how to squelch a few peaceful demonstrators. I’m guessing that at least half their days are taken up trying to figure out tactics/strategies.

And can you IMAGINE the number of irate phone calls Mayor Mike has gotten from Lloyd Blankfein ordering him to DO SOMETHING!

Mikey will not stop until he has cleared them from the park. as for not agreeing with their message and targets maybe he should tell us what the message and targets should be.

Who cares what you say, Mike.

Hey Bloomberg! Hollywood called and want’s you to star in their remake of “The Incredible Shrinking Man”. Hurry and call them before you disappear.

I’m not gonna say I am/was a Bloomberg “fan”. But, he’s now on my “shit list”.

And referring to #12 above…yeah, who IS making the threats???? Somebody got their panties in a bunch???? Wonder who THAT might be.

He’s already pretty shrunken. He claims to be 5’7″, but he looks a lot shorter than that.

I hear he wears a size 4 shoe. /s

*heh* That might be the answer to my question about who exactly has been calling with threats to Brookfield.

You are sooooooo bad. :)

Maybe. No reason to pretend that MOTU’s are not “public officials” anymore.

And make no mistake, clear them from the park he will.

It’s not a matter of if, only when.

Then the question becomes how do the 99% respond.

Who, me? *smiling my sweet senior woman smile*

Yeah, yer not foolin’ anybody ’round here. *snicker*

Yeah, but if you rub it, it turns into a size 4 and a half. ;-)

The foot or the shoe??…. so confusing… *g*

You one-upped me, but good!

For that I can offer you some Russian tea cakes I baked yesterday, with a glass of milk, if you like.

This makes me nuts. I just got essentially the same argument from my crazy right wing friend. First Amendment rights HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO AGREES WITH THE EXPRESSION!!!! There’s no need to protect popular speech Duh. For an elected official to even say this as justification for his official opposition should be grounds for impeachment as well as lawsuits for deliberate violation of civil liberties. Aaaarrgggghhh!!!!!

This is not directed at you, tjbs, but at the line you quoted from Little Mike.

I don’t think protesters should trust this victory to last.

You said it. The occupiers will be gone, eventually, one way or another. I am certain of that. The OWS movement must evolve and strengthen in order to succeed. There must be far more to the movement to achieve anything concrete. Otherwise, it is merely an expression of anger and outrage and, though that is an improvement over the catatonic docility the American People typically display, it is far from adequate. I urge the OWS folks to begin thinking ahead, branching out and developing ties with supportive and likeminded organizations and individuals. OWS must get stronger and begin fighting on multiple fronts. Otherwise, the plutocrats will figure out a way to neutralize the occupations and they will win again.

Can you imagine how many actual crimes are being committed with impunity while all those cops are busy harrassing peaceful protesters?

Back to chores. Be good, now.

I would love to indulge in those tasty treats, but I cannot in good conscience share a table with someone who would use the words “one” and “up” in this context.

Here’s the thing. I’ve often wondered why NYC has so many cops. (I haven’t actually been wondering. Since they obviously aren’t needed for, um, ya know, like, well actual police work, your imagination is your guide.) They seem to have plenty to crawl out the wood work when “peace” is being committed.

Bloomberg’s probably listening to lunatics such as Louis Anemone, Bo “Meet me at Rao’s” Dietl, and the ever paranoid folks at Kroll Associates.

This time I really am leaving. *g*

Common sense would lead one to conclude that the foot is even smaller than the shoe, n’est-ce pas?

Mayor Bloomberg, I don’t begrudge you for siding with the wealthy. There’s a reason you’re a Republican, and that’s fine. That’s America.

But if you fancy taking this up as some sort of personal crusade of yours, may I respectfully advise against it?

Now is not the time for billionaires to flaunt their power. Trust me on this. There’s no good in it for you. Even if Ms. Talyor shuts your tap off, just ride it out, man. Don’t let Woody do the thinking for you and pull a Janet Reno.

Because if you do, there’s no tellin’ where it stops. People are pissed, man, and if you don’t get it by now, you should.

Instead, if you were smart, you’d join up with Warren Buffet and call for ending welfare for the wealthy as we know it. You’ll still be filthy stinking rich, and you’ll be a hero, not a dog. You’ll be revered, not despised.

Think about it, Mr. Mayor. Think about it.

One Police Plaza is just crawling with uniformed members of the service whose time and talents could be better used out on the streets. Just like in Vietnam, the remfs (rear-echelon motherfuckers) get the air-conditioning while the street cops are sent out under the leadership of the Bolognas.

Seriously, the greatest value to come out of this may well be that everyone comes to understand that speech in the form of money has somehow come to be the only acceptable form of speech.

Joe McCarthy?

Video of Legal Observer getting run over by police motorcycle. Disturbing.

Everyone has a nickname for it, I guess ‘shoe’ is as good as any.

And I don’t think a billionaire has to say out loud that he doesn’t agree with the message of the 99% movement –

excellent message right there, if only an interviewer had the balls to call him out with that answer

in fact, i would recommend that sometime soon ows declare victory and leave before they are forced out or fade out

build on the success by evolving

keep the option of further occupations to be used tactically

otherwise, when the occupations inevitably end it will look like failure

I hope they can keep it up but Bloomberg really doesn’t have to beat them back. The weather will likely do that before very long.

that’s my point

it is inevitable bc people simply don’t want to live indefinitely in tents in urban areas and urban dwellers will soon tire of the protesters and there will eventually be violence or some other negative events

better to plan new initiatives, declare victory, perhaps keep a residual occupation for symbolic purposes, and then move into new phases of the uprising

imo

so basically, Blinkberg is saying Brookfield Properties is a bunch of appeasement-happy surrender monkeys ???

I don’t disagree with you but I’ve been wondering what the next phase is. My feeling is that they should take on Congress but I’m not sure how.

“I disagree with a lot of what this protest is about.”

That fucker’s got more money than God.

excellent questions which, i think, the various ga’s should be addressing right now

personally, i don’t think ows (writ large) should get involved in proposing legislation

better to keep the occupiers as the front line troops who can endorse certain policies (they sort of have, already) or form alliances with groups that can serve their interests

the national lawyers guild is providing free lawyers to the arrested occupiers and nlg has a long history of similar support for protest movements and leftist causes

nlg and ows are a perfect fit and should ally in some mutually benefical way which will synergistically strengthen the movement

and that’s just an example

i’m sure the ga’s will have plenty of such ideas

no one’s asked, but imho the next step has to be outreach – less than 1% of the 99% is out there, the other 99% of the 99% need to understand why they are out there and that joining them gives they and their families a real voice

…haven’t had a real raise in 10 years ?

…have to shop at Walmart ?

…eating less so your kids can eat three square ?

…hoping it’s just a cold and your kid doesn’t need to see a doc ?

don’t think OWS should be “taking on” anything until the sheer numbers scares the crap out of the entrenched

I just want everyone here to know that I wear a size 14 shoe.

Let me try this again:

excellent questions which, i think, the various ga’s should be addressing right now

personally, i don’t think ows (writ large) should get involved in proposing legislation

better to keep the occupiers as the front line troops who can endorse certain policies (they sort of have, already) or form alliances with groups that can serve their interests

the national lawyers guild is providing free lawyers to the arrested occupiers and nlg has a long history of similar support for protest movements and leftist causes

nlg and ows are a perfect fit and should ally in some mutually benefical way which will synergistically strengthen the movement

and that’s just an example

i’m sure the ga’s will have plenty of such ideas

I wasn’t really referring to his height, which is probably more like 5’4″, but his character. He’s only 5’7″ if he’s standing on a pile of his money.

Matt Yglesias is arguing that regulations reduce profits and tax revenue, and should be eased. Where have I heard that before? Is he really arguing that density restrictions in downtown Manhattan are too strict, and should be eased? And he’s criticizing the “park” (it’s really a plaza since it has no grass) for its rules, when city parks all close by 1 AM at the latest?

If the issue were “bad parks” because the owners didn’t want to build them, then better rules about the spaces would be enough. The issue at hand is really that a corporation can buy itself out of the restrictions, and there’s private control, even of “public” space. It’s ironic that the only type of place the 99% movement could occupy has the name “privately owned public space.” You could call the white house and the capitol “privately owned public space,” too. And the actual street, Wall St where NYC residents can’t go. Etc.

Gee, I was just going to ask if you wanted the size 15 Adidas’ I’m wearing.

(That’s what you get for revealing that you are bigger than me the other week lol.)

Interesting and accurate depiction of OWS. A must read.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-10-12.html

ann coulter is the pus oozing out of the canker sores the right wing has visited upon this great nation

no thanks

I read that rancid piece of garbage this morning. Interesting that she doesn’t take comments. I guess to you righties that shit qualifies as good toilet reading.

I’m addicted to reading – almost anything – but I draw the line at Coulter.

Short guys always overcompensate…….little pissant.

I have floated this idea several times before with no luck. I’m gonna give it one more try.

I say we have a “Symbolic March on Washington”, “SMOW”, to protest the dysfunctional government and lack of prosecution of the banksters and threats to SS. Of course, everybody can’t participate in a march. So, my suggestion is we mail or UPS a pair of shoes to the Capitol on a given day to show those legislatgurds we mean business. Behave or you’ll be in the unemployment line with the rest of us.

Ann Coulter is lower than pond scum.

If you are watching. Outreach has been incredibly successful. In less than a month over 1500 cities started having a conversation. While these are just a small percentage of the population, just their existence has put the 1% in a bind because people are conversing about economic reality and the facts are on the side of OWS. The top owns and consumes more than their fair share.

I need a soapy bath now.

Although the bit about the Democrats in power actually watering down the civil rights movement fits well with Kevin’s post about the Democratic Party being purposefully used to tap and drain the energy of the left.

People it has been determined that Backeast(backseat) has nothing to add to our fund of knowledge and I was reprimanded for feeding the trolls already.

The only thing interesting about “Ann the Man” is like a man her Adams Apple hangs out.

Actually, there’s a NYC precedent that disputes this notion. Tompkins Square Park, just a few minutes from OWS was occupied for years until officials turned a blind eye to a police riot (here)

The crowd may get smaller, but the occupation will continue because for every one protestor that leaves or gets arrested, there are several more willing to take his or her place.

*edited*

You need some old-fashioned farm upbringing to know what low is:

“Lower than a snake’s belly in a wagon track.”

It’s one of those “bad apples” we keep hearing about. ;-)

I’m a rancher. But I like that one. Hadn’t heard it before. It’s slicker than deer guts on a door knob.

I certainly don’t disagree – I would die happy tomorrow knowing my fellow citizens finally got up off their knees

I am talking about getting our less political, probably less informed friends and neighbors to join us – and I think it can be done

think of all those poor anxiety wracked souls looking over their shoulder from their cube every friday – wondering if this is the day they are laid off – they need to understand the Occupation Movement is all about them :D

i agree

i have noticed that, when ows comes up, my non-political acquaintances almost uniformly ask: what do they want?

I thought you were a carpenter. Now, I’m confused.
It happens from time to time.
All y’all are on a roll this afternoon. Friday post full moon crazies.

Ummmm, ew!

Yeah, we’re running wild and crazy today. Now, I have to go mow my lawn, and be reminded of how domesticated I really am lol.

The only thing I wanna know is if your’re going to mow some mythic message designs in the lawn.l

Cold weather is coming but the fires have been ignited. The embers may be banked for the winter’s duration but spring will arrive and after that the long days of summer. Should be interesting.

I fear you give me far too much credit for artistic capability. I’m satisfied to just keep from cutting off a toe. ;-)

Bloomie is a 1%er, that’s all you have to know. Regaarding the ‘eviction’, the 1%ers put themselves into a bad situation, so had to have the NYC Counsil bail them out. They won’t like that, so will respond. So if they evict, organize enough to find the next site to Occupy. Sooner or later the 1%ers will have to start getting ‘tough’. The sights of hundreds of police and their white shirted thugs beating on protesters will get the message out bigger than any march anyway, and absolutely no violence on the part of the marchers is necessary to spur the violence of the police. Remember that many of the police are sympathetic to the aims of the marchers. Get out and join the marchers, wherever they are. Come prepared to be beaten, and be the leaders for the next wave. And a message to the 1%ers, the 99% percent aren’t against you personally, but we don’t like being pawns in your games, especially you owning all republicans and most of congress. All we have to do is to look at the results of your actions to know whose side you’re on especially your corruption of congress.Instead of spending those billions why don’t you spend your money benefitting the people of the once great country your greed is destroying.

Muy interesante. I think this exposes a weakness of corporatism. If you let a private entity manage public assets(in this case, a park), then you expose that private entity to retaliation from people who disagree with its position.

According to NPR, Brookfield said its phone lines and internet servers were jammed with people calling in their objections to its evicting the protesters in the name of “cleaning up,” when by all accounts the protesters have done a pretty good job of cleaning up after themselves.

IOW, their means of production, their profits, were threatened. So they back down. We all need to remember this.

Troll Alert. Do Not Feed the Scumbag.

If they are not able to erect tents at Zucotti Park, then hopefully people will start donating cold weather gear for the winter. Bivy sacks are great for inclement weather.