Mitt Romney often gives off the distinct impression of not being a human being with blood coursing through his veins. That’s a good rationale for this conversation on the foreclosure crisis with the editorial board of the Las Vegas Journal-Review. Here’s a quickie transcript:
ROMNEY: Are there things that you can do to encourage housing. One is, don’t try and stop the foreclosure process. Let it run its course and hit the bottom, allow investors to buy homes, put renters in them, fix the homes up and let it turn around and come back up. The Obama Administration has slow-walked the foreclosure processes that have long existed, and as a result we still have a foreclosure overhang.
I like the notion that the Obama Administration is the one slow-walking the foreclosure process. Anyone who’s looked at the issue for 10 seconds knows it’s the banks, effectively, who have slow-walked the process, in part by violating the laws governing the process. Courts have stopped foreclosures not because they are operating on high and responding to some Kenyan version of a Bat-Signal; instead judges with some sense of fairly enforcing the laws stopped them, because banks committed fraud by using false affidavits and fabricated or forged documents. So they can’t legally determine ownership of the underlying properties.
In fact, in Nevada, where Romney was sitting when he made this statement, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto has sued Bank of America over these illegal foreclosure processes, along with generalized fraud and deceptive practices on loan modifications and fee pyramiding. Nevada is one of the key areas of the country where the foreclosure crisis is at its most acute. And virtually every resident there has been touched by abuse at the hands of their lenders. So more than perhaps anywhere else, Romney using Andrew Mellon’s “Liquidate everything” strategy just isn’t going to fly.
This is actually a standard critique on the right, that foreclosures must be allowed to go through to “clear the market.” Implicit in the critique is the idea that foreclosures are good, that they have benefits to an economy. I think you need only look to recent history to rebut that. Foreclosures cost local communities, the repossessed, homeowners in the surrounding area and the broader economy a great deal of money and suffering, and if they can be avoided, that would be the best outcome.
And that is completely apart from the fact that the banks have consistently – to this day – broken the laws regarding foreclosures, because they don’t have proof of ownership on the underlying properties. So you couldn’t “clear the market” if you wanted to.
Now, the Obama Administration pounced on this, with spokesman Ben LaBolt saying “Mitt Romney’s message to Nevada homeowners struggling to pay their mortgage bills is simple: you’re on your own, so step aside.” But as Ben Smith and Zach Carter noted, they don’t exactly have clean hands here, either.
The foreclosure fraud scandal has festered under the Obama administration’s watch, and the administration has yet to take action to thwart it.
The administration’s signature foreclosure prevention program, the Home Affordable Modification Program, has so-far been a failure and hasn’t sanctioned banks participating in the program for mistreating borrowers. According to a recent federal audit, Ally Financial miscalculated borrowers incomes in more than 80 percent of cases going through HAMP, ProPublica reported.
A total of 870,000 struggling homeowners have been kicked out of HAMP, while just 657,044 remain in permanent modifications. Obama originally promised that the initiative would help 3 to 4 million families stay in their homes.
When the bank bailouts were being negotiated at the end of George W. Bush’s presidency, Obama helped shore up votes for the package by promising Democrats he would push to give borrowers foreclosure relief in bankruptcy court if he was elected president. The bailout passed, but Obama never followed through on that promise.
In addition, the one thing that Romney actually held out as a possible “fix” for the housing market, in the same interview, happens to be… the very thing that the Obama Administration has proposed – a mass refinancing strategy. Another quickie transcript:
I think the idea of helping people refinance homes to stay in them is one that’s worth further consideration. But I’m not signing on until I find out who’s going to pay and who’s going to get bailed out.
As I said this morning (echoed by Diana Olick), the refi option is perhaps decent for stimulus, but it’s not a plan that will save a lot of homes.
So you have an incumbent with a track record that has not helped the number of families needed to stop the foreclosure crisis, and a challenger who thinks the problem is that foreclosures need to go faster, blowing through all the fraud issues and associated legal problems. It’s quite a choice.
UPDATE: Forgot to mention this part:
“Number two, the credit that was given to first-time homebuyers was insufficient and inadequate to turn around the housing market. I think it was an ineffective idea, it was a little bit like the Cash For Clunkers program — throwing government money at something, which was not market-oriented, did not staunch the decline in home values any more than it encouraged the auto industry to take off.”
Romney’s problem with the first-time home buyer’s tax credit, a giveaway to people buying homes anyway, was that… it wasn’t big enough?




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His Dukakis moment.
ffs, always getting epu’d those rare occasions when I do post
.
Saw that silent majority cartoon earlier, and it struck me as ‘the talking point’ that is a succinct response to the MSM failure to cover the protests.
http://digg.com/news/politics/the_silent_majority
As in: No Real Choice, at all. And comes back to my redundant vetch: what’s the difference between Ds & Rs, Obama & Romney, etc? The so-called “differences” are minimal and mostly nuanced phrasing.
Of course, Romney wants the foreclosure process to continue until it ends. The mega-rich (and the not quite so mega-rich, but still rich enough) are running around madly purchasing foreclosed houses for pennies on the dollar. What’s not to LOVE about this scenario? It’s a giant WIN-WIN for the upper 1% because not only do they make out like the frickin bandits that they are, but they also *get* to inflict maximal pain on the 99% (who clearly are lazy worthless slackers with their hands out yadda yadda yadda)…
That giant sucking sound you hear? It’s just Mittstirs Magic Undies have starbursts over fleecing the rubes, whilst ginning up their “votes.”
Let the markets clear! /s
Liquidate!! Liquidate!! Liquidate!! – Andrew Mellon 1931 Hoover’s Sec. of the Treasury. Great buying opportunities for the 1%!
Or for the customers of the vulture capitalists that Lincoln set up in the Homestead Act under cover of the civil war.
Meanwhile, over in RickPerryLand, an Ohio GOP poll has him at a whopping 5%. Can we stick a fork in him now or are we still pretending he has a chance?
Fuck the “homeowners” who were stupid enough to buy at bubble level prices.
Fuck the banks that were stupid enough to lend them the money.
Neither one deserves one cent of taxpayer money.
Guessing you are not acquainted with the concept of asymmetric information or with the concept of the family of humankind, but neither would be surprising.
On edit: Intellectual IQ and emotional IQ both about 2 standard deviations on the left side of the bell curve.
Let’s see how he does tonight.
I have THE fork. Meet me here tomorrow morning.
oh….my….God……He is totally in the make-the-1%-the-only-landowners-and-then-give-only-landowners-the-right-to-vote camp.
Let them buy up the foreclosed houses and rent them out – truly, Mitt is not a human being.
You do realize that “helping people stay in their homes” is bankster talk for “give us more bailout money”, since that’s where the money winds up. If you really want to “help” people who can’t make their mortgage (= stay in their debt traps) you should tell them to do some serious jingle mail.
Pffft! I’ve been saying for months and months how he doesn’t have the chops for a run for President and has more skeletons than the Mütter Museum, while so many people, here especially, have tried to explain to me how wrong I was about Perry, how he was a real danger and blah, blah, blah. Some were condescending and others were downright impatient but they all shared a belief that I was too complacent about him. I stuck a fork in the dillweed before he announced but by all means, keep thinking he’s going to experience a resurgence. I can’t remember having ever said “I told ya so” but today I’m making an exception. Perry is done. He never got out of the gate.
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Do you think there’s any other way to help people staying in their houses other than bailing out the banksters?
Didn’t think so.
If obama had had any integrity instead of the sellout and fraud that he is, we would still be facing the republican crazies; BUT all of us would have supported obama. As it is, we are in a no-win situation.
You have no idea who you are talking to or what her expertise in this area is. I recommend that you drop it before you make yourself look foolish or before you force eCAHN to do it for you.
I agree that is ONE scenario that can play out in terms of “helping people stay in their homes.”
However, it is not the ONLY scenario. There are other alteratives that can happen. It was not all that long ago that banks were much more willing to truly work with people who had financial issues, wrote down their mortgages and found it was better for both parties if the bank found a way for the home owner to stay in the house and at least pay some mortgage.
These days? Not so much. It’s kick the 99% to the curb and let the 1% take all.
So, not buying that’s the only sole scenario that can happen.
newcarguy:: My comment @ 13 looks a lot meaner than I intended it to be. This is not directed at you. Sorry if it appears that way. Had a very trying day.
I think I owe eCAHN and Margaret a drink. Waddaya having, ladies??
Coca-Cola for me. Yeah, I know they’re a big, fascist corporation but who isn’t?
heh… comin’ atcha!
Who isn’t a big fascist corporation? ME! Some days I wish I WAS a big corporation (albeit not fascist) so I could go buy me some politicians and get them to create legislation for me, like Glass-Steagle Part 2. As Brian Wilson warbles “wouldn’t it be nice?”
Finished dinner with glassa wine, so might just be ready for scotch-rocks. Thanks.
here ya go, pal! bottoms up!
Soooooo spot on. Unless we get an unlooked for strong progressive candidate, the only people who win will be banks, corporations, the defense industry and Wall Street. In short, the rich people with lobbyists. No one else.
Why is it acceptable for somebody who can’t pay their mortgage (or can but won’t because the house is upside down) to “stay in their home”, but not OK for somebody who can’t or won’t pay their rent to do the same??
One might start out with fraud to unpack your false analogy.
Because the banks engaged in fraudulant shenanigans and contributed to the world economy crashing.
As I stated in my example, above, the banks in the past have *often* found the ways and means to work with home owners who couldn’t continue paying their mortgages for one reason or another. It wasn’t a “blanket” thing, but it often inured to benefit of both the bank and the homeowner to re-negotiate the mortgage to something that the owner could pay and stay in their home.
It’s called: re-negotiating the contract, and frankly it happens in business all the time. Don’t see what’s so difficult about the concept.
I am also aware that landlords can and do often work with their tenants on rental agreements, sometimes lowering or forgiving rent if the tenant has issues. That is also not unheard of.
A good business person can recongize the need sometimes to work with good clients to enable common goals. It’s called Win-Win, a concept which appears to elude a certain segment of our very punitive & judgemental citizenry.
Okay, then. Outta here. Gotta run. ttfn. been real, as usual.
I’m calling you out. Your entire commenting history here is straight up nothing but defending lending institutions. Period. Maybe you’re sincere and not a corporate shill but one would think that you would have addressed some other topics or rendered some other opinions since July 31st rather than just your constant deploring of the “irresponsible” homeowners or deadbeat student loan recipients. I agree that some people bit off more than they can chew but not everybody has the advantages of a higher education and those are exactly the people the industry targeted for loans. In many cases those same people that you’ve made such a career of badmouthing weren’t even considering the possibility of buying a home until some slick salesperson lied and told them how affordable it would be and then approved loans which would eat up 50 percent or more of their income. And then they bundled all of those likely to default loans into a neat little package and sold them, KNOWING they were selling junk. I’m sick and tired of listening to people blaming the victims.
here’s your 2d scotch-rocks, gf… go easy and don’t drive. I’m off ‘n running…. ;-)
meanies…
Go Peg! Here’s another coke, my friend.
This is just ridiculous…
I was gonna call you out on that. Not driving anything except my puter, so watch out for brain farts & typos as the evening goes on.
LMAO! I can do that without alcohol!
I had this great story when I bought my Manhattan coop when I was in my 30s. I’d been looking for 2 years, and a year earlier, right off the bottom, got bid out of any apt by $1000. (I was already too stretched to get into a bidding war.)
A year of licking wounds, prices up 20%, knew I had to leap. Left a $5500 (1%) deposit on an apt on Fri nite so I wouldn’t lose it over the weekend. On Monday, got rec of RE lawyer, who castigated me for putting down money without a lawyer. I replied that the sellers seemed like a nice, harmless middle-aged couple. He replied that all con artists seemed nice, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to con you.
Turned out just fine in that case, but taught me an important lesson about avoiding being conned.
Most people don’t get to have my experience of learning that impt lesson without paying a very high price.
More and more i feel like Romney is THE guy for this country. This was one of the dumbest things he ever said, simply because it is true and frankly most people do not want to hear the truth. But the economy can not start growing until the housing issue is resolved, so many economists out there say it. People need to understand that not everyone is born to own a house, not everyone has a steady job that provided a high enough of an income. I can’t afford to own, so i rent.
Romney is right, we need to clean up the foreclosure mess, banks can start foreclosing on those people who do not have any meant to pay their mortgage and will never repay and start working with those who are behind but are still making payment. Those who will lose their homes should not despair because they can simply rent, but the system needs to be cleaned.
You know i voted for Obama in 2008, but he is so incompetent, he simply gave up on USA, he still has 13 months to govern and he is compaighning out there.
I think the best thing for this country would be if Romney wins in 2012 the Republican nomination, asks a moderate like Scott Brown or Chris Christie to run win him, WINS and holds only one the Senate or the House. There’s a need for checks and balances.
There are plenty of ways to resolve the housing crisis without “market clearing,” which will do nothing but force the housing cycle into an endless downward spiral.
Vote for whatever idiot appeals to you, but don’t do so without understanding the fundamentals.
I’m going to blame Obama and his administration for this. IF the Treasury Department and the DOJ had done their jobs and investigated and prosecuted the banksters for those crimes that Obama doesn’t want to admit exist..if they were treated in the same manner as drug dealers including the seizure of their ill-gotten goods…if the administration had fought for fairness for the “homeowners” and pushed through bankruptcy cramdown…if they had also pushed through requirements for banks to upkeep foreclosed and empty homes or lose them to the community for auction to highest bidders – no minimum…if Obama had focused on the crashed economy and done the various things necessary including a real stimulus rather then his faux health care reform aka the Obama Insurance Company Rescue Plan, if this question was asked Mitt Romney wouldn’t have the audacity to answer it that way. You see, the world would know that the Andrew Mozilo and many of his friends would be sporting an orange jumpsuit and why. We would expect banks to renegotiate loans, including the principle and they would do so. Mind you we also probably wouldn’t have Occupy Wall Street and there would still be the racism and lies and rich people whining constantly, but this stupidity would have been avoided.
How about we require all banks to immediately count homes they foreclose on at current market value as determined by actual sales in the area? You’re not going to require that and neither is Mitt. Because that would expose the banks dirty secret – their accounting doesn’t match their reported balance sheets.
See the problem is bigger then slow foreclosures. It is the real value of those homes are deadly to the banks bottom lines and profits. But keep trying to make the problem only about the poor banks not being able to foreclose…
There are other options than just Democratic vs Republican. By all means, vote for whomever you wish but don’t come here peddling a false dichotomy.
The whole idea in depressions and concentration of wealth
is the people who buy the corrupt politicians run out
of creditworthy people to lend to.
This time they could sell the risk and even double back and
short it.
But that latter part is going bad.
See:
http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html
I wonder if the Koch Bros. are deep into those derivatives.
Remember the Hunt silver fiasco?
I wonder if this is most the billionaires resisting giving it
up to everyone else despite their own arrogance?
Those few who are familiar with me / my USER ID know I
stumbled into a science – morality – history thing.
I now wonder if this is about the little clue about
the meek inheriting.
Anyhoo, back at the farm, I noticed CNBC actually found
yet another person happening to have a black face who
was willing to call a socialist / communist anyone who
happened to like capitalism but simply not the bullshXt.
(plus to drown out any chance of responding–gotta have that)
FDL: my edit above remained w/o spacing regardless of all effort on
my part to make it presentable. That is why I’m entering it here.
And, if it looks like xxxx here too, I’ll place it in a fresher
column. I am NOT spamming.
The whole idea in depressions and concentration of wealth
is the people who buy the corrupt politicians run out
of creditworthy people to lend to.
This time they could sell the risk and even double back and
short it.
But that latter part is going bad.
See:
http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html
I wonder if the Koch Bros. are deep into those derivatives.
Remember the Hunt silver fiasco?
I wonder if this is most the billionaires resisting giving it
up to everyone else despite their own arrogance?
Those few who are familiar with me / my USER ID know I
stumbled into a science – morality – history thing.
I now wonder if this is about the little clue about
the meek inheriting.
Anyhoo, back at the farm, I noticed CNBC actually found
yet another person happening to have a black face who
was willing to call a socialist / communist anyone who
happened to like capitalism but simply not the bullshXt.
(plus to drown out any chance of responding–gotta have that)
Too many people assume that just because they were successful/lucky/smart/etc that everybody has the same opportunities and advantages and if they failed or wound up in a bad place, it must be their own fault. Take myself for example. I’m nobody special but I am not aware of anyone else who has been able to beat addiction like I have. That isn’t to say “dig me” or anything, unlike most of humanity, I’m just able to refuse the cravings but I don’t go around pretending that just because I’m able, everybody else should be too.
Glad your experience turned out well!
“Mitt Romney often gives off the distinct impression of not being a human being with blood coursing through his veins.”
ROFL!!! That can pretty much be said about ALL elected officials these days. Most of them are rich and simply no longer care. That said why are we still talking about the elections since theres simply nobody to vote for. The hope i guess is really that obama loses and we get an R that at least wont be a total and complete ass. WHich is seeming more and more unlikely. Too bad we’ll probably never have even just a half decent human being in the white house. Ever!
The problem isnt that there arent other options. The problem is theres no way with the way the system is set up that any of them will ever get anywhere close to the presidency. The system is fixed to make sure its either an R or a D. Which is the same these days anyway.
I think this is a particularly ignorant statement. As a New Yorker, I’ve seen many abandoned properties in both the suburbs and the five boroughs. The market is bad, and I don’t see investors throwing money into real property like they used to.
I believe that all this proposed course of action would do is create a whole lot of abandoned neighborhoods complete with squatters and very high crime. Why needlessly subject homeowners and tenants to this when banks are rushing to foreclose after doing their shenanigans? Why are people still protecting the banks and their obscene profits and land grabs?
Not sure what calling me out means, but I do think you are a little over the top in your comment.
I have read a lot about what happened in 2008, including staying current about the bubble in the years before. I have never defended any lending institution (nor will I) and would be interested to see the comment of mine that makes you think that. I’m plenty aware of how the whole mortgage/derivatives mess was accomplished and fueled.
I’m not blaming the victims, but I do think that not everybody with a in-arrears mortgage or an underwater loan is a victim. And I guess my main point is that every time I see comments about keeping people in ‘their homes’ I never see anything except a blanket position that anybody with a mortgage that they can’t or won’t pay is somehow deserving of getting a break. I just don’t think that is true.
If the let-them-stay argument were ever paired with some sort of reference to a vetting process I wouldn’t raise the point of fairness to all, but I have NEVER seen that. And nobody, you included, has actually answered my question about why a person caught in the economic morass of the last 4 years or so, because they took out a mortgage that turned out to be a bad move, should be helped by the Feds, but a renter shouldn’t. Either way it’s a real person with a financial problem. The buyer took a risk and it didn’t work out. The renter decided it was a bad risk and didn’t take a mortgage. Why should the one get a break (by policy) now, and not the other?
Certainly if there was fraud, the fraudsters should be jailed, but that doesn’t mean the home dweller should get a free or discounted house. Or better yet, why does it mean that. And as I said, not everybody was defrauded.
So, punish the criminals, but don’t turn that into a bonus/windfall for somebody who simply took on more than they could handle, or bought at the wrong time.
Student loans are a scam, aided and abetted by the Congress and the banks. But realize every dollar borrowed as student loan got paid to a school somewhere. Maybe somebody ought to look into how our higher ed system got turned into an indentured servitude business instead of a service for the citizenry. There are a lot of skeletons buried there that nobody seems to want to disturb.
And try to realize that not everybody who sees things differently is your enemy.
the “not everyone deserves mortgage help” thought occurs to many – which is why the proposed solution tries to balance the equity of the proposal to the lender and the equity of the proposal to the mortgagee.
So the proposals are
(1) principal write downs if mortgage holder would have the income to sustain new note (old note was often just speculation with little down and no income to support after teaser rate ended) – but only to the point that the note is not less than 100% (or 110% in some proposals) of what current market is for the home, so the bank is not writing off more than they would in a foreclosure,
and (2) refi at 4% (or some low number) for everyone with a mortgage – but this last idea runs into the deserve the help question as the bank is taking a loss, and folks look at only 20% of the mortgages being owned by the banks (the 20% – bank owned – are the ones discussed for refi in the WSJ article today) and ask why Frannie and Freddie – and even private investor owned – mortgages are not included. If Everyone gets the benefit it sort of makes it less “biased”. But of course any solution will be seen as leaving out some that are deserving and helping some that do not deserve help – it is a no win situation.
So one hopes for the best possible result – AG Biden on MSNBC today said he wanted to pull F & F into the refi and principal reduction. It will be interesting to see if he can pull it off. As it stands now his “put back the mortgage to the bank” position helps no screwed mortgagee and only makes richer the hedge fund billionaires that bought their MBS positions in January at 30 cents on the dollar, as they take money from current shareholders in each bank.
Thank you for explaining that so cogently for my poor, female brain.
That’s a fair point and I’ll grant it. I misspoke. I should have left it at the observation that your entire commenting history consists of demonizing homeowners and other borrowers.
For example:
and
and
and
and just now
See a pattern? That’s fully 71% of your entire commenting history, all boiled down to “Dig me,! I was prudent and I was responsible and by golly if I was able to be prudent and responsible then everybody else should have behaved exactly the same way!” Because heaven forbid somebody have an “easier” time than you! If there is even the remotest chance of somebody getting something without fully paying for it, then better to turn out the victims along with any hypothetical ne’er do wells, rather than allowing anyone to “get away with” something. Isn’t that what three quarters of everything you’ve said so far is? Just and endless, envy driven lament about those awful people getting something for nothing? No, you didn’t defend lenders. I was wrong. What you’re doing is purely self serving, not being an industry shill.
My bad.
“How about we require all banks to immediately count homes they foreclose on at current market value as determined by actual sales in the area?”————–From an accounting perspective it they will take a hit, but the market has already priced that into the equation. This goes to Romney’s point, system can not be healthy again until we clear out this whole housing mess.
I can see the poll numbers for this time next year
Obama 18%
Romney 19%
OWS 59%
Other 4%