Federal Reserve chair Ben Bernanke acknowledged yesterday that the central bank may need to do a better job dealing with asset bubbles. I think I just heard Dean Baker’s head explode. Specifically, Bernanke said that he would move to use interest rate policy and not just regulatory tools to head off bubbles.
“In the decades prior to the crisis, monetary policy had come to be viewed as the principal function of central banks,” Bernanke said at a conference sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, according to a prepared text. “Their role in preserving financial stability was not ignored, but it was downplayed to some extent. The financial crisis has changed all that. Policies to enhance financial stability and monetary policy are now seen as coequal responsibilities of central banks.”
Bernanke is basically engaging in the polar opposite approach of Alan Greenspan – and himself, at the end – during the housing bubble. Greenspan said that the adjustable rate mortgage was an exciting product for consumers to use. Bernanke is saying that he would consider using interest rates to stop the so-called “irrational exuberance” in a particular market. That’s a sea change.
But I doubt it will go beyond the theoretical stage unless you do something about the massive conflict of interest at work in the Federal Reserve. Banks don’t like “oppressive” regulation constricting their profit-making abilities. They don’t like using interest rate policy to tamp down bubbles, which on the way up are quite the cash cow for them. They think they can manage their own risk and don’t want the oppressive arm of government stepping in to force them to do more. The problem is, as a stunning new GAO report unearthed by Bernie Sanders shows, there’s not much distance between the big financial institutions on Wall Street and the Federal Reserve system, particularly when it comes to the directors of the regional banks.
“The most powerful entity in the United States is riddled with conflicts of interest,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said after reviewing the Government Accountability Office report. The study required by a Sanders Amendment to last year’s Wall Street reform law examined Fed practices never before subjected to such independent, expert scrutiny.
The GAO detailed instance after instance of top executives of corporations and financial institutions using their influence as Federal Reserve directors to financially benefit their firms, and, in at least one instance, themselves. “Clearly it is unacceptable for so few people to wield so much unchecked power,” Sanders said. “Not only do they run the banks, they run the institutions that regulate the banks.” [...]
The corporate affiliations of Fed directors from such banking and industry giants as General Electric, JP Morgan Chase, and Lehman Brothers pose “reputational risks” to the Federal Reserve System, the report said. Giving the banking industry the power to both elect and serve as Fed directors creates “an appearance of a conflict of interest,” the report added.
Maybe you could add Godfather’s Pizza to that, since one of these Federal Reserve directors was, in fact, Herman Cain, a director at the Kansas City Fed from 1992 to 1996.
The report is here. In 18 different instances, current and former board members of the Fed regional banks, the ones who pick the Presidents who then sit on the Federal Open Market Committee, “were affiliated with banks and companies who received emergency loans from the Federal Reserve during the financial crisis,” according to the report. There is no restriction on this conflict of interest, or really any, for that matter. And there’s certainly no transparency on how the boards of directors handle conflict of interest. Here are just a couple examples:
Stephen Friedman In 2008, the New York Fed approved an application from Goldman Sachs to become a bank holding company giving it access to cheap Fed loans. During the same period, Friedman, chairman of the New York Fed, sat on the Goldman Sachs board of directors and owned Goldman stock, something the Fed’s rules prohibited. He received a waiver in late 2008 that was not made public. After Friedman received the waiver, he continued to purchase stock in Goldman from November 2008 through January of 2009 unbeknownst to the Fed, according to the GAO.
Jeffrey Immelt The Federal Reserve Bank of New York consulted with General Electric on the creation of the Commercial Paper Funding Facility. The Fed later provided $16 billion in financing for GE under the emergency lending program while Immelt, GE’s CEO, served as a director on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Jamie Dimon The CEO of JP Morgan Chase served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at the same time that his bank received emergency loans from the Fed and was used by the Fed as a clearing bank for the Fed’s emergency lending programs.
Until you get the bankers out of the business of picking a substantial chunk of Fed policymakers, you will never, ever have a Fed working in the interests of financial stability, let alone working to pierce asset bubbles. You will have a Fed working for the banks. Because they’re practically one and the same.
…Incidentally, the GAO made a series of recommendations on how to strengthen conflict of interest policies and create transparency. The Federal Reserve Board “agreed with GAO’s recommendations and said that it believes all have merit and will work to implement them. The Reserve Banks also said that they will give serious consideration to implementing the recommendations,” according to the report.
Of course they did. The GAO recommendations are the least you can do. The proper policy is to end the practice of having bankers pick policymakers at the Fed.





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Emptywheel has a post up regarding the BofA holding company moving the Merrill Lynch derivatives business from the investment bank [not covered by FDIC] to the depositary side [covered by FDIC] which, as noted by EW channeling Yves Smith, means the banksters get their derivatives covered and the FDIC gets the haircut, due to GOP changes in the bankruptcy law.
OWS has even more reason to be pissed off now.
Conflict of interest at the FRB. I’m shocked!
When Goldman Sucks is always in charge of the NYFRB. How could that be a conflict of interest?
Herman Cain prez of Kansas City FRB, when he can’t even add 2+2. How could that be a conflict?
I could go on…
That’s about the most egregious non-hidden one I’ve seen to date.
Just like O starts wars all over the globe without so much as a by-your-leave, MOTUs & their minions screw public in full view & waggling their tongues at us.
They’re not even pretending anymore.
“Until you get the bankers out of the business of picking a substantial chunk of Fed policymakers, you will never, ever have a Fed working in the interests of financial stability, let alone working to pierce asset bubbles. You will have a Fed working for the banks. Because they’re practically one and the same.”
Sounds right to me. How do we do it?
Greenspan/Bernanke did nothing to stop the housing bubble because it was hugely profitable for their best buddies, the Wall Street banksters. In fact, they spent a lot of time denying there was a bubble. It won’t be any different next time.
The only thing shocking about this is that it is news to anyone. if bernie sanders needed to get this report to discover this than he is a bloody idiot. People not so long ago were labeled conspiracy nuts for saying this stuff..that the banks own the Fed, that it was created by them and it serves them.
Really? No shit?
It took a government study to reach this startling conclusion?
More taxpayer money well spent.
Agree. It is right out in the open and in our face. Not sure what if anything that means. They don’t even bother to tell us clever lies anymore.
Not to dismiss the fact that that they are both stupid as a bag full of stones.
Greenspan was on my mailing list when I worked on Wall St. He once sent me a hand written correction on a minor technical description I had made in a footnote on the coverage of 2 diff sets of data on productivity. I thought if the Chair of FRB has time for such BS, he must spend the rest of his time in the office masturbating.
I also had delusions in the summer of 2010 to read Bernanke’s book of essays about the Great Depression and write a diary about it. It is so schlocky, I couldn’t get thru more than 2/9, let alone wasting time to summarize them.
They don’t need to. What are we going to do to stop them. Nadda.
You don’t provide a link for this, but I definitely remember hearing that said. Yet if consumers availed themselves of an ARM, which wiped them out when the bubble burst, then it’s solely the fault of the wicked evil consumer for doing something so eminently stupid and clearly fraudulent.
Of course, Greenspan stating that an ARM was a great idea is fine. Greenspan’s *clearly* a member of the 1%, so no blame shall fall on Ayn Rand’s slavering accolyte.
I agree with others who posted earlier: if this is news to anyone, then you *really* haven’t been paying attention. Thanks for the update.
The only item on the agenda that they still are searching for a plausible cause to fix the intel around is military action in Iran.
10/12 surprise: Bombing Bushehr and Tehran.
This carton is from 1912 and it captures the true nature of the FED. Anyone know how this image can be posted here on FDL as it says it all
http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/10/14/cartoon-from-1912-one-year-before-the-creation-of-the-federal-reserve/
The best we got is OWS at this point. It’s a worthy effort, but as you’ve stated previouly, it’s hard to see where it will lead.
Other than that, why shouldn’t the upper 1% be blatant and transparent about their lies, theiving and crookedness? As we see here at FDL every day, there’s certainly enough citizens who are perfectly content to be totally ripped off by these crooks… just so long as they get to say nyah nyah to their fellow 99% members.
Go figure…
The regional banks also own the local economics profession. The University of Minnesota Econ department is a practically wholly owned subsidiary of the Minneapolis Fed, which is staffed with right-wingers from, guess where, the University of Minnesota Econ Department.
with you on that and the fact they know we can’t do a thing.
You said it! And this applies across the board. Think about this: when BP poisoned the Gulf of Mexico the government was helpless and had to rely on the oil industry to investigate, report and “fix” the problems. Just when did regulatory capture become the norm in this country? It doesn’t work. HELLO?! IT DOESN’T FUCKING WORK!
Here’s my proposal: if you are engaging in a regulated activity and the government 1) doesn’t understand it or
2) can’t protect the public when something goes wrong with it, then you can’t fucking do it. Goes for finance, oil drilling, drugs, whatever.
That is the fucking point of “regulating” something. That is what “regulating” means. Jesus H Christ, we live in IdiotVille!
Heh… just like most MBA Depts are filled with rightwing crooks and liars bent on churning out more in their likeness.
Anyone whining about “liberal” academia is full of it. Academia these days is about as liberal as the mainstream media (with some exceptions, of course, but not many).
Yep, not even “pretending” …
The tongues stuck out and “Nan nan nah … can’t touch us” is resounding across the land, eCAHN.
I have not spoken to ANYONE, for weeks, who is not digusted and fully aware of who is taking the country down … and this includes neighbors who have been life-long Republicans, further, not one of them is impressed with the Republican candidates … or Obama. Not one persom whom I know who voted for Obama intends, so they say, to vote for him again.
The next presidential ballot should include “None of the Above”, if any kind of honest vote is to be … allowed/sssssss
The PTB and the MOTU may “believe” they have everyone over a barrel … however, more individual human beings are getting “it”, albeit on different “levels”, than ever I have seen before …
DW
Butcha see, it’s a team sport: Ds vs. Rs. If you ain’t cheering for ‘our’ team, you are suspect.
Actually on lefty sites, FDL is one of the better ones at having a critical mass criticizing both sides.
Yes, but as you well know, gutting the regulatory process and agencies and/or filling the agencies with rightwing corporatists has been the very successful goal of the 1% for the past 4+ decades.
Conservative voters drink the pap that says: if you regulate something, then poor benighted businesses simply cannot compete (or similar nonsense). Most conservatives I know are blissfully happy to have corporatist tools running the regulatory agencies. I’ve had so many discussions about this, that I had to throw in the towel. They all think it’s peachy-keen and makes huge sense.
I don’t know what else to say, other than to agree with you: IdiotVille.
Agree. What I always find interesting, though, is some who post here saying how we are all in “thrall” to Dems or that we’re all massive Obamabots. Can’t figure out where that comes from… maybe something Rush told ‘em??
There’s a diary about whatta pity it is that academy is not in solidarity with OWS. I added a comment that that was the last thing OWS wanted & if they showed up they should be run out. Can’t find it right now, but I’ll try to be back with the link.
Here the link http://my.firedoglake.com/mattreichel/2011/10/19/occupy-movement-solidarity-where-are-the-professors/
I hope you’re right. I’m still hearing the conservatives that I know going the gusto of whiiiing incessantly about Obama and still buying into the D v R outdated paradigm. And they are calling OWS citizens the usual stupid names, like Marxist, lazy, get a job, that kind of stuff. Granted these are individuals who are still making a pretty good living, although, like everyone, they’ve had to tighten their belts a notch or two.
I’d like to think that more citizens are at least awakening to what’s going on. Would be a good start.
Mostly peeps unfamiliar with the site I think who float around from one lefty site to another all day accusing each one of being Obamabots. They’re accurate about 90% of the time.
What I particularly luv is peeps who suggest that TP & OWS should join up bc they have lots of interests in common.
Quickest way to have Koch Bros take over OWS.
Unfortunately true, albeit I feel that a lot of the *original* concerns of the TP do actually match the concerns expressed by OWS. It would be better, though, if TP voters just aligned themselves with OWS (which better represents the real needs/issues/concerns of the TP and everyone else in the 99%) and didn’t bring the Koch-bought-off TP into the mix.
did you check out the link to the cartoon I posted. The cartoon was done in 1912!!! It is very powerful and IMO should be on the front page of FDL. People need to see what is happening today was seen 100 years ago. The creator of the cartoon tried to wake people up back then….can we succeed now?
here’s the sea change bernanke needs to make;
right now they raise and lower the prime almost entirely based on wage pressure, when labor is asking for higher wages the fed will claim;
“the economy is heating up, we must raise interest rates”
when there is no pressure or negative wage pressure the fed will claim;
“the economy is stable, we can lower rates”
this is sick stuff, it is deliberately reducing higher wages for the labor class and that must change
You can say that again. *g*
The transparency part is really amazing. Their standard for transparency is the bank holding companies themselves, and the banks are found to be more transparent than the regional Feds.
If “none of the above” were to win, that would still only be a victory of the pyrrhic sort. I am watching in disbelief, to see that NOBODY wants to step forward and offer to run as a People’s candidate. Could there ever be a better time?
Yes, I looked at it, but didn’t study it. Point being FRB has its connections in everything in U.S. economy.
Many of these people are misinformed and likely open to changing their minds with new information. The problem for a long while has been that there is essentially no source of non-corporatist messaging in the broad culture (unless one is computer savvy, but I’m thinking many of these folks are older). So these people have been effectively brainwashed into thinking that government is evil but private enterprise in the corporate form of concentrated wealth is benign if not sacred. So they blame the government not knowing that the government acts at the behest of the corporations. The corporations are running the world and they are using governments as lackeys. Once people start to get this — as I think they now are — I am optimistic many of the people you mention will think differently. Well, some, at least.
Remarks by Chairman Alan Greenspan:
“Understanding household debt obligations”
At the Credit Union National Association 2004 Governmental Affairs Conference, Washington, D.C.
February 23, 2004
What Greenspan said:
These words were highlighted by being the last topic addressed before Greenspan’s conclusion. If they sound too oracular to be an endorsement of ARMS, consider just one example, from Sandra Block at USAToday [My emphasis]:
And the objection, which was really the main point of Ms. Block’s article* per her first sentence, is that the liklihood at the time was that the Fed’s interest rate policy was on the verge of changing to the disadvantage of a borrower taking out an ARM loan at that time.** The big red flag for me in that day, just reading along in the news, was that of course Greenspan had to know this —both the probability of the impending change and the adverse effect on ARM borrowers— making it hard not to construe his words as potentially something worse than irresponsible. You could say that it spoiled me for simple arguments from stupidity. (I’ll go along with some deeper ones.)
_________
*I had several bookmarks of other articles with a similar tone, but over the years they seem to have moved. Nonetheless, they are out there somewhere.
**Now that we’ve been in a liquidity trap for a couple of years, it might be hard to recall that back in the middle of the decade interest rates did begin to climb, to the point that they were a likely factor in the first rounds of homeborrower payment crises.
It was obvious or should have been so in the 1970′s when the US economy committed to becoming a single-crop economy, that being credit. We might starve like the Irish when their potatoes failed.
(Mineo’s never delivered. Giovanni (RIP) said, We lose control if someone else carries the pie. Not long ago, though, Mineo’s decided to FedEx their half-done pies anywhere. Sortalike every town has a large Stillers contingent n’at.)
Well, I have thought of several people who are TRUSTED, and well-known enough to have the name recognition to catch people’s interest.
NONE of them want the job and, frankly, I readily understand why this is so.
Until a serious national conversation takes place about the meaning, purpose, and function of genuine democracy, which I hold to be participatory democracy, and not some pale “representative” form, and until “money” is put in its proper place and corporations are NOT considered to be “people” under the law … until the Rule of Law actually exists, I honestly do not see how or why anyone, in their proper and sane mind, would reasonably want or be willing to take such a position as “President”.
Until “power” is understood NOT to come from the barrel of a gun, I do not imagine the changes our species MUST make, stand much of a chance, at all.
I is my hope that such lessons are being learned in the example and through the presence of the “Occupys” … happening throughout this nation …
DW
To give credit where due, David, Sen. Sanders did a bit more than unearth this GAO report:
Your first sentence, AitchD, SHOULD be understood as seminal in grasping the reality of a capitalistic state which has been, essentially, allowing the ruling class to gut the accumulated wealth of the nation by destroying its industrial base … by outsouring jobs … and by pretending that actual wealth is NOT the direct result of resources and what people do with them, which is the fundamental truth of every single human economic system which may SUSTAINABLY exist …
DW
No evidence that you intended to include me in those “peeps” lol, but I have advocated for the idea that both groups should join forces. Not because I am unaware of the dangers of co-option for the righties as least as great as the danger of co-option for OWS, but rather because a simple interest analysis makes very clear that the TPers do, in fact, have a virtual identity of interest with the OWS people and the rest of the 99%. In the real world. Granted, I know there are many on both sides of the political spectrum who refuse to accept that they live in the real world. But I think it would be imprudent to dismiss the possibility of an alliance out-of-hand, because the educational power of the OWS movement goes beyond anything we’ve seen before.
OTOH, DW, once all those changes you mention have taken place, the need for a hero to come forward will no longer exist with the force it does right now. This is a special moment in history, when the popular mood could easily carry an outsider to victory, IMO. There will not be many such moments in our lifetimes.
I was not being personal in any regard. Just looking at the downside vs. the upside. There’s very little upside by having a million or two Koch created nutcases join a real grassroots movement, vs. the downside of having Kochs take over.
Ditto Ron Paul. Although he & his supporters share MUCH more, and more impt issues, and MUCH more articulate, with 99%ers than TPers do, e.g, anti-war, civil rights, Ron Paul is a nutcase. His most impt issue is anti-choice, meaning he thinks unborn are much more impt than alive U.S. troops, let alone millions of people in other countries who U.S. policy kill with gay abandon.
Not to mention Paul’s nutty economics.
If either of these groups showed any common sense in the vast range of policies at all, I’d possibly be of another judgement. But as long as both groups are controlled by extremists, as opposed to 99% movement, I reject overtures to them.
Well, rc, are you prepared to do it?
If not, whom might you suggest … that would be willing?
Understand, such a hero, or heroine, would not and could not be motivated by vanity, greed, or fear … but by sublime understanding and such a person must also possess the ability to disarm hostility and inspire trust in such a way as to then be able, and willing … to walk straight away …
The notion of “leadership” must change and, perhaps, THAT understanding may be the greatest lesson the “leaderless” Occupys have to share with the rest of us …
It is no longer about the ambitions of the one, but of the needs AND responsibilities of the many …
What say you, my friend?
How do we really progress from authority vested in one or a few … to something which looks more like power invested in each an every one of us … together?
DW
Perhaps, everyone should be President?
For is it not like Marriage?
And eCAHN’s is the best and most-fair answer I’ve ever heard, in terms of making that “institution” available to all, regardless of gender, persuasion, or “status” ..
“Everyone should be allowed to make that mistake ..,”
;~DW
Since 1945, megaton nukes and US supremacy, the US presidency has morphed into a unitary power all out of proportion to its original (and even evolved) function. Like religion, it spoils and ruins everything.
AitchD, you are on a most superb “roll”, this evening.
Carry on … please.
DW
Well, lol, someone read that comment. It seemed to be a conversation stopper.
The U.S. has has a lot of bad prez, but none so incompetent & cruel in my lifetime, even rereading the history I lived thru to find how deluded I was at the time.
A true gem.
You toss a significant number of those our way, eCAHN!
;~DW
My skin is not so thin that I could not have tolerated a personal targeting from you, but rest assured I engaged the issue solely for the sake of the issue. And, while I agree with you that it would suck if TPers or Paulites brought their extreme leaders along with them, I would hope that the more sensible and educable among them would realize they would no longer need their old leadership if they threw in with the leaderless OWs movement. Just a thought, but I think it’s one worthy of consideration.
There seems a clear trajectory … and my lifetime comprises three score and four.
One shudders to imagine the next … leader of the “free world” …
And how long the rest of the world may or might tolerate our collective insanity?
One wonders, eCAHN.
DW
LOL. In fact, I’d probably be a perfect choice, in that I have no allegiance to old systems simply by virtue of their age, and am perfectly willing to restructure everything with rationality and efficiency as my guiding lights. But, nobody knows me, so that’s that. I know whose name you are refraining from mentioning, though, and I surely do wish she would volunteer herself. ;-) It is still amazing to me, though, that nobody of stature sees this as a tremendous political opportunity.
Thanks, I needed that injection of optimism lol.
I never made that mistake, so I’m probably not the one to ask lol.
*blushing* Okay, DW: Anyone who aspires to the presidency is an egomaniac. Whoever becomes president becomes a megalomaniac, George Washington excepted.
What did I miss?
There’s my rub. After my close acquaintance with King of the Mountain, I have come to see the human race through the prism of alpha male. Which, although evolutionary in nature, seems anti-survival to me. So any movement with alpha males at the top, I reject as dangerous.
No doubt, then, rc, you have heard eCAHN’s definition of a … “bachelor”?
(President Occupy, today, voiced its continuing interest in eveybody’s well-being, having looked at itself in the mirror which demi mentioned the other morning … Oddly, or not, there have been no wars since President Occuy … occupied the Peoples’ House and Washington, D.C. has turned into the world’s largest and most amiable tent city in all of history, history … foreign embassies are like wise large encampments and, at the UN, in New York City, where it all began delegates announce that all of their home capitals and citiies are likewise jubilant and peaceful … it appears that the entire human family is happily meeting itself and likeing what it sees …)
Who could imagine?
DW
Was on one of those LGBT posts either last night or this morning. I posted a comment about how in the 21C why should one pay attention on this issue to R.C. male priests who wear dresses and molest juveniles.
Respondent agreed with me but reminded me that subject was marriage equality. Although I’m a straight senior woman, I have ‘proved’ my bona fides on this subject multiple times. Respondent was not familiar with that history, so I made do with: Everyone ought to be allowed to make that mistake.
On edit: Here’s the thread. http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2011/10/18/catholic-church-is-overstepping-its-bounds-against-marriage-equality-in-minnesota/
(Or females who wish to emulate the same “paradigm” …)
And, I had such hope that the feminine principle, having discovered agriculture, might seriously offer a more holistic understanding of LIFE, of being, to a world sore in need of it.
I admit, I remain hopeful … however foolish that might seem …
Ladies?
DW
That alpha-male stuff is more than likely a late corruption of the Our Gang character Alfalfa.
Ah, AitchD, you do not disappoint!!
DW
You remember when I was asked about female leaders, I replied: alpha females, like Maggie Thatcher, Golda Meir, several I have known personally.
When I challenged Arnold Ludwig, my author on the book salon link above, he seemed particularly fuzzy headed about it. He too, like I & you, seem to be grasping desperately for some other model, and they all involve greater female participation, but the EVIDENCE seems to be totally lacking.
Do you, DW, pronounce Ceres with a soft ‘c’ (ess) or a hard ‘c’ (kay)?
Perhaps you might check out the book salon link. (57)
Extreme leaders is always a rub for me, too. Extreme anything is always a rub for me.
No, DW, I’ve never seen eCAHN’s definition of a bachelor. Do I want to know? (Like your vision for that possible future.)
Not mine but freely stolen: a bachelor is someone who never made the same mistake once.
I see. Thanks. What’s your definition of a bachelor? Go ahead, tell me, I’ve got my body armor on. ;-)
LOLOLOL
Margaret Thatcher is on her way over to kick your ass.
This is not about me, but there are some peeps here who take real umbrage about what I type.
Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke–Confucius.
Perhaps I might. What passes for ‘evolution’ and all-caps ‘evidence’ can’t trace much that’s older than a few thousand years, or since the era of so-called recorded history. There is (as you must know) a wealth of detail from the ancient worlds that points to a matriarchal organization of (whatever they were that we call) societies. There is much evidence that the patriarchal successors to those societies erased and repressed most of the older belief systems.
Well, even though I am a senior woman who aged 10 years in the past one owing to a bad fall, I’ll gladly take her on.
Do you know her son got caught in a badly conceived plot to overthrow a particularly egregious African dictator, perhaps the worst of all time. The plot failed, the dictator ruled for decades, but Maggie’s son made out like a bandit bc he wrote and adventure “novel” about it. Details are buried in the book salon. I brought it up to provoke discussion bc it was one of the more bizarre episodes of King of the Mountain and I thought peeps would enjoy it.
It ain’t a marketplace of ideas if everybody has the same idea.
Yes, trying to edumacate myself on these matriarchal societies, while impressed by strong evidence of leaders in more recent times.
Still completely undecided & confused. Have yet to find a book or other source that helps me think about it more clearly.
My prob with pre-history amazon societies is that evidence is so thin.
Ditto tribal egalitarian societies.
I’m open to much more but haven’t found it yet.
I have little doubt that you could beat Thatcher, but my comment was directed to DW. It’s much funnier that way. ;-)
Tiresome to be in the minority on the other side of the market place, though.
Oh geez, I forgot that it’s not about me.
So DW, are you up for the Maggie arm wrestling contest or not?
Sometimes it’s tiresome, sometimes it’s invigorating. If you come here for intelligent debate and argument, you have no right to complain unless all you get is contradiction. (It’s not argument, it’s just contradiction. No it isn’t. Yes, it is. No, it isn’t. (Monty Python) )
eCahn –
You know this board would be a lot less informative without you, but it would seriously be really, really, really less witty without you. The info we might get other places, but the stinging barbed insight? Nah. That’s original.
Maybe the wikis for Robert Graves’s famous work and for Elaine Morgan might lead somewhere hopefully.
One of my fave ways to torment my son when he was little: Me: I believe you. Him: No really. Me: I believe you….
Will check those links both out when I’m more mentally acute.
Have read & appreciated Graves on a couple of other subjects. Seems like a good place to start.
Never heard of Elaine Morgan but seems like a good place to investigate.
You see, I have this serendipty theorem: if you keep trying, the right book/ref will pop up via serendipty.
Aw shucks. I’ll take that as a complement. *g*
;- I believe you.
Good night all.
Sweet dreams, eCAHN.
3 reasons Wall Street banksters will likely never see jail:
1. On Wednesday, Citigroup and the SEC agreed to a settlement:
Reuters — Citigroup Inc will pay $285 million to settle charges that it defrauded investors who bought toxic housing-related debt that the bank bet would fail, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission said on Wednesday.
The SEC said the bank’s Citigroup Global Markets unit misled investors about a $1 billion collateralized debt obligation by failing to reveal it had “significant influence” over the selection of $500 million of underlying assets, and that it took a short position against those assets.
Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/19/us-citigroup-sec-idUSTRE79I4TL20111019
2. Also Wednesday, Reuters announced the states and top banks are nearing a settlement in the mortgage abuse case:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Talks between U.S. states and top banks over mortgage abuses are nearing agreement on a major sticking point that has bogged down settlement negotiations for more than a year.
A deal could be reached by the end of the month, according to three people familiar with the talks.
Under the proposed terms of the settlement — which could total $25 billion — banks would get broad legal immunity from state lawsuits in exchange for refinancing underwater loans, those mortgages where borrowers owe more than their homes are worth, the sources said.
Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/us-financial-regulation-mortgages-idUSTRE79H7P820111018
3. My favorite — Kay Hagan and John McCain’s bill to allow U.S. companies to bring back $1.4 trillion from overseas accounts home during a corporate tax holiday that would forgive the 35 percent corporate tax rate for one closer to 8 percent. It is supposed to entice companies to create jobs.
–Published October 05, 2011 | Dow Jones Newswires
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)–A bipartisan pair of senators plans to introduce on Thursday a bill proposing a tax break for U.S. companies that bring home foreign profits.
Sens. John McCain (R., Ariz.) and Kay Hagan (D., N.C.) will co-sponsor legislation that would create a repatriation tax holiday, reducing the corporate taxes that U.S. multinationals would pay when bringing home overseas profits, in an effort to boost the economy. Their bill, called the Foreign Earnings Reinvestment Act, would create an incentive for companies to bring back an estimated $1.4 trillion currently kept overseas, according to an advisory from their offices.
Congress previously passed a repatriation tax break in 2004, billed then as a one-time fix.
I kind of wish more people would be aware of this — or maybe they are and I’m the slow one — but Greenspan is more than just an ordinary Ayn Rand believer. He’s one of her earliest acolytes, the “class of ’43″ and heavily involved in the cult. I wish that had been more widely recognized thirty years ago. Hell, FIFTY years ago. So now we have empirical evidence what her beliefs will do to a country.
this diagram from the GAO report is my FAVORITE!
Very telling … (the power of “No” …)
Appreciate your perspectives, FA!
I hope to see many more of your comments at FDL and diaries, perhaps?
DW